Now that Izium and kupyansk are effectively fricked what will the Ukrainians do next?
Will they blitzkrieg further or slow down their offensive?
Now that Izium and kupyansk are effectively fricked what will the Ukrainians do next?
Will they blitzkrieg further or slow down their offensive?
Russians will panik pull back forces from Kherson to Kharkov front and Ukies will attack Kherson, I am calling it.
Time for a HARD east push past severodonetsk before Russians can put up adequate defence.
The are bottled up in Kherson and can't evacuate without abandoooning their entire heavy equipment.
This, the Russians only option would be to either abandon it, or have it all get blown up by HIMARS O'clock at the river.
They can't pull back from Kherson quickly. No bridges mean all the heavy equipment and men needs to be ferried across on barges.
this is you right now you shit zog gayget
keep coping and crying serGAY
>Vegeta closing door
How it feels to be in Kherson
NO FURTHER WORDS FROM HQ
>Intel Slava Z is declaring it's ogre
Holy shit, what the FRICK is going on out there?
The pop after someone pulls the plug from the bathtub.
Not even the UAF leadership knows what the frick is going on, Ukrainians are still advancing right now.
I think they have some semblance with how structured they've been advancing.
Siri, play "Ghost Division"
>declaration of war
I'm sure semantics is what's keeping rushits from winning
that is for the domestic bullshit
as war they can do all sorts of dumb shit like suspect domestic rights and so on
they already did but they want more
I think that would allow for formal mobilization. "Our country is under attack! Our soldiers are dying, our equipment is destroyed! Now is the time to arm our sons!" Hey, worked fine for USA in Vietnam.
For russian leadership a declaration of war would be a public show of weakness, which the public would not tolerate more than any economic collapse, corruption or any government misdeeds. It’s vital for the government to project a “strong leader” attitude at all costs
Gloves being raised, eyebrows coming off.
Time to moobilize lads.
copium supplies running out?
>EVEN FRICKING INTEL SLAVA Z
HOLY SHIT THE SITUATION MUST BE DIRE
Holy. Shit. And I was one of the people who really did think it would be over in three days. Ukraine conquers Belgorod when?
Or they could organize their fleeing troops, give them food and make them do some basic drills and throw them to Kherson.
>organize
>give them food
That doesn't sound like Russian doctrine at all.
>organize their fleeing troops
Ever try herding cats?
They will start shooting officers if these men are sent anywhere but home.
bold of you to assume they will be told where the are sent
>what will the Ukrainians do next?
Naval invasion of the Kuril Islands with boats bought from Japan in exchange or territorial promises should they win the war.
the japanese torpedo boats were real????
Depends entirely on two things.
- do they have the reinforcements to hold the areas now captured? If not, the counteroffensive will just blow them apart. They could gamble on there not being a counteroffensive, but the Russians already made that mistake and there is no reason to repeat it.
- can they replace their inevitable losses of men and equipment fast enough to keep the momentum up?
Of course it also depends on the Russians' hypotethical ability to stand, or even counterattack with any meaningful force at all, but that's up to the Russians.
>mein Monke...
this shit is getting more ridiculous by the hour, i cant even keep up.
same its kiev front all over again
Gimme link cuz I want to see footage
https://mobile.twitter.com/OzymandiusUK/status/1568263853032767489
I see a lot of equipment, but where's massive line of POWs?
Remove a zero and it still will be too much, maybe 50.
Fake, cannot find this ANYWHERE else, and the video and tweet this "OzymandiasUK" is quoting as his source only talks about one BTR and one MT-LB being captured, nothing about a whole convoy or 3000 people.
https://twitter.com/BarracudaVol1/status/1568260319717236737/video/1
>- do they have the reinforcements to hold the areas now captured? If not, the counteroffensive will just blow them apart. They could gamble on there not being a counteroffensive, but the Russians already made that mistake and there is no reason to repeat it.
this. the ukranians better be flooding men and equipment into the salient right now
How did we go from this...
The truth is that Ukraine still doesn't have a fleet.
I'd expect a week or two of consolidation then a new offensive on an entirely different axis. Maybe south from Z-town? Aim for Melitopol to disrupt Russian connection from Crimea to Donbass? Although rainy season is coming soon, and mud will slow everything to a crawl again. It's a pity that it sounds like the Russians are slipping the noose at Izyum, spending a couple weeks liquidating a pocket would be a wonderful use of the time.
>I'd expect a week or two of consolidation then a new offensive on an entirely different axis.
The Izyum defenders are cut off from resupply on the other side of the river, just lost shittons of supplies in a hasty retreat, just lost all their defensive positions, and the only major roads out of this mess take them through Lyman, which is under siege and in the wrong direction for relief, or Kupyansk, which is 2/3rd captured with the remaining defenders there ALSO forced to the other side of the river.
Show's not over.
Edit: Apparently Lyman has fallen so scratch that, they have to march their asses straight through Kupyansk while it's in the middle of falling or brave the backroads.
I was getting roasted by saying exactly this would happen like a day or two ago. I swear to frick /k/ can't into military.
>Kupyansk
Literally taken already.
>Literally taken already.
Russians still hold the east bank.
You think they're suicidal enough to attempt to push men and equipment through that after all that has already been left behind? At this point they're drawing straws to see who gets to swim across last.
>You think they're suicidal enough to attempt to push men and equipment through that after all that has already been left behind?
Literally the only real route out is through Kupyansk. I'm not saying they'd cross the river, but they literally NEED to go through Kupyansk no matter what if they don't want to risk the back roads, which would just be a clusterfrick. They can head for Valuyki, instead of Belgorod, but the road there's still fricking through Kupyansk.
Damn too bad all the trapped Russians are on the west bank.
>that pic
Gives me King of the Hill quartet vibes
WRONG
Ask him if the Moskva is still under its own power
Kek I think god hates this fricking guy legit, the day he decides to return he gets blown the frick away.
He came back the same day he got his bar exam results kek
This. They can probably do some more stuff in the northeast, but it's an area where russia has easy logistics. Just south of it is the donbas, which is heavily fortified. If they push to the sea of azov however, and disable the crimean bridge for good measure, the entire west including crimea becomes untenable.
OH NO NO NO NO NO
I AM GONA COOOM
that guy needs to take his pills
>expect big Kherson battle for the 50th time
>get nothing for the 50th time
>"Oh joy more WW1 style slugging"
>actually sike the Ukrainians are blitzkreiging Kharkhiv now
>like, *really* blitzkrieging the SHIT out of it
these past few days have been trippy
There was method to the madness of Ukraine saying they'd liberate Kherson 50 times. Russia was forced to move all their best shit to Kherson where the Ukrainians promptly blew up the bridges and trapped all their heavy weaponry there.
>be inheritor of USSR, want to be be acknowledged as great superpower
>go beat up impoverished 90 lb. weakling neighbor to assert dominance
>fall for obvious "please don't defend too much over here where I want to attack" trick that a caveman would see through
>get shit pushed in right next to your own border
Russia needs to just stop, it's beyond embarrassing now.
Don't worry, they're a world class superpower, remember how they had soldiers in Syria?
God I bet the soldiers there either feel lucky as frick right now or are sweating bullets about being stranded.
The ones in Syria? They are fine. They are muslims in a muslim country, Assad is strong ever since USA betrayed the kurds and forced them to join Assad, and Erdogan is too busy earning money and political capital on the Ukraine war to have much time for striking southward. I bet the entire Russian force in Ukraine wish they had been in Syria instead.
putin will be remembered as a fricking clown, subhuman shit earned his place in history
>be inheritor of USSR
The past 6+ months have proven this title belongs to Ukraine.
Best part they don't even want it, the Ukies are 100% over the Soviet Union and want to make their own future, the polar opposite of the wannabe
Its like pottery.
Their future is grim, no matter if they win or lose. This war is killing their golden generation and their demographic situation is catastrophic. They will never recover from it. Ukrainian were already being warned that the state would no longer capable o paying pensions of present and future generations and this war will make it even worse.
I'm not saying that's impossible but it ain't a certainty either.
Ukes are prime ground for experimenting on how much fast you can rebuild a country after a war. Marshall plan it, the EU gets cheap workforce for a while and the western world creates a new market ripe for trading with.
>Marshall plan it
they're already saying Russia has caused 350 billion in infrastructural and industrial damage to Ukraine
lol, they are gonna be EU and US marshal planned to hell and back after this war
Certainly, the next few years or even decades are gonna be entertaining as frick, should be funnier than the 90's, for sure.
I wonder if it'll be China, US or Japan that will take over my middle-of-nowhere.
c:VK4KHP suggests the former.
Ukraine's future looks brighter than it has done in the last eight years and than it did in a great many years before Zelensky. Europe and USA will stand on top of each other to offer economic help.
>be me
>50yr old conscriptovich
>be stationed at the supply hub in kupyansk
>smooker accident like always
>scroll slaval incel z
>"xaxaxaxa ukies btfo"
>eat 50 year old expired ration
>take nap in your sleeping bag in which your grandfather slept in during the siege of stalingrad
>get woken up next day by some dudes in blue armbands eating kinderriegels
>mfw
Can someone link a video?
he might look 50 in western years but that is clearly a 20 year old russian
Luka attacks north within 1-2 days, i'm calling it
with his potato army?
Can Luka make it to Moscow in four days?
The question is whether he can get there before the Poles.
he tries that and he gets killed by his own guys
they didn't join the war earlier, they won't join the war now
they know the war is lost
russia is fricked
1905
He could have a live televised middle finger and get away with it at this point.
Luka is not done peeling potatoes
Luka will attack, the moon will explode, Jesus will erupt from the Easter bunny's ass, pick any they are equally likely.
Even sweet sweet potato man knew not to stick his feet into the shitpile and just let it all blow past.
>Luka attacks north
he's making a naval invasion on petrograd
damn, maybe he will be the next tsar
KILL PUTIN NOW
He's still peeling potatoes
I wish, if he does that belarussians would revolt again, and this time the russian army wouldn't be able to save his ass again
They probably sould slow down, because ukies don't have the manpower to keep this up, too few soldiers in that area. And they need to deal with the pockets of russian soldiers (probably) left behind, bring more equipment, organize new supply routs etc.
Plus I don't think they gonna cross the river, it's too risky
My guess is they will establish a defensive line north of Kupyansk that takes advantsge of the relatively unhospital terrain between the Oskil and various SD tributaries east of Kharkiv. With their rear secured, they can either plow east into Luhansk and Donestk, or wheel everyone down and and push south from Zaporizhzhia.
Can't stop won't stop
https://nitter.it/markito0171/status/1568533501351174144
ASTRONOMIC LEVELS OF MORALE
MORALE: YES
That level of morale is invaluable. If I was in the Russian army I'd be scared. Very, very scared.
UMMMM VATSISTERS ? is it time to PANIC ?
As effect it would be to crush Russians now the risk of overextension is too great. Ukraine needs to consolidate, bring in new troops, gear, vehicles while processing the POVs and salvaging any material left behind. Then they need to plan an entirely new offensive.
Luckily they can focus on Kherson durection now and I sincerely doubt Russia can get their shit together. Morale is non-existent and because it isn't a war the volunteers can ditch the ranks when rotated.
I can't see them going past the Luhansk border, at the very least they just erased the lid off of any cauldron that there was.
Fortunately for the Ukrainians the front north of Kupyansk is very defensible. They have rivers on both their flanks (Velykyi Burluk and Oskil). They've probably captured so much equipment they have more materiel than when they started this attack a week ago.
They'll try to stabilize the front, reorganize and launch a counterattack before the Ukrainians can dig in.
>Ukrainians do next?
Capture Donetsk Airport apparently
Come on, the east front can't be collapsing off of just hearing news from the north alone.
we might see a scene like this in Donbabwe or Luganda before the end of the year
>implying russians would need to use helicopters when there is a land border for transnational Ukrainians who identify as Russians to flee to Russia
>transnational
how did i never think of this before
From what I've heard you could get all of the Ukrainians who identify as Russian in a minibus and drive them across the border
They preempted that by moving the "official" capitol further behind the lines ahead of time.
No. That's it. That's where I draw the line. I barely managed to somewhat believe in the Kharkiv counteroffensive. Barely stomached the absolute rape Russia is experiencing there.
But this? No.
No. That's copium. That's fake news. No. It's not happening. Don't do this to me. Don't fricking get me on hopium like that.
Russian propagandists are spreading fake news this morning.
>Kupyansk, Izyum, Balakleya, Oskil
As someone who grew up in Kharkiv region, but has been living in Europe for almost 10 years now, it still feels surreal to hear the names of your places from your childhood in military context. I still remember them as “a forest with lots of mushrooms to pick up”, “a city where my aunt used to live”, “a place where we went on a high school hiking trip”, “a river I was kayaking on with my parents”. And now you see them discussed on worldwide news and even this american weapons board as a stage for a huge military operation.
Hopefully anon, you’ll be able to do the same things again right where you did when you were young.
what month is best to pick mushrooms in Izium area?
Early autumn, before it starts raining heavily and the soil turns into mud
Picking mushrooms sounds super comfy
Its a very popular outdoors activity in Ukraine, but unfortunately won’t be possible to do safely for many years to come, as the forests are chock full of mines
They're just spicy mushrooms. Go get em tiger!
It's amazing, comfy as frick and it triggers all the ancient hunter-gatherer enjoyment brain circuits that normally don't get anything out of our modern lives
It's actually super popular in my area of the US. People go apeshit every spring hunting for Morels.
>spring
Is it far south? Here in Sweden it's always in the fall, when it's wet and cold and all the plants from the summer die and decompose.
Nah, Northern Half of the country, but similar conditions for mushroom season. Lots of rain, cooler but above freezing nights, and typically found around decaying trees.
Does no one do it where you live?
Ukrainian mushrooms look amazing. People posted about their wild foraged porcini.
I suspect people will be taking a closer look at what those mushrooms are growing out of after the war.
I moved from Crimea in 2014 to Kyiv
In beginning of 2022 I was looking to buy a flat somewhere in ... Kyiv suburbs. It was bizarre to recognize individual destroyed buildings as those, in which you were looking for a flat to buy.
Welp, with the way things are going and the fricking necksnapping turns this conflict is taking, you might get to look into moving to Crimea again in the near future. Not giving guarantees, but the past few days are fricking goofy as hell.
Better wait for the EU investments to flow in at this point.
>Soul vs souless.
Reminder that Lend Lease has not even started yet.
Holy frick you are right.
WTF
???
I'll be honest, 2 days ago I was concernposting about Ukraine possibly overextending. I guess I just underestimated the Russian's ability to flee at the first sign of battle.
Lyman. Then regroup, you can't be on the move for a week without a rest.
Lyman was literally already fricking captured. Keep up.
We're not gonna wait five hours, either. If you can't keep up, that's your problem.
Awwwww. I know that quote.
>Lyman
About that...it may have gotten abandoned.
Time to pop some pervitin, boys!
>you can't be on the move for a week without a rest.
Were was that in the orders back in 2001 and 2003 when they had us running around Afghan and Iraq for about a month solid without a break?
I mean even blown up Ukraine is positively 'civilised' compared to those fricking places!
Keep in mind though that this operation does not necessarily scale up to the entire Russian-occupied territory. The frontlines in Kharkiv Oblast were defended by national guard and DPR/LPR conscripts, both a very second-rate military force, and it seems like the Kremlin neglected this sector of the front. I'd expect a lot more resistance on e.g the southern frontline (and indeed Ukrainians haven't made much progress in Kherson during the last few days) and also some exhaustion of Ukrainian troops after this rapid advance.
How quickly will the Ruskies fold from Kherson if the Americans fly a B-2 over low altitude in broad daylight?
They won't. Because it ain't happening. Biden is not gung-ho like you. You have watched too much anime.
I am too mentally exhausted from the past few events and from work to keep monitoring the Ukraine situation
anon else feeling the same?
It will collapse entirely. Ukrainians will be in Volgograd by October 10.
It's all a part of Kherson counteroffensive
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1568560997371191296
Is this the cauldron that has been closing for 3 months finally closing?
No. This is Russia sticking their dick in the blender and having to go to the ER. But like as a military.
Was the 3 million dude army actually real? Where did they get this many guys?
They had a standing force of maybe 300 000, including a lot of units in the local guards and MP categories. They were as well equipped as any. Then an additional one million of slowly mobilized reserves that had no guns, no uniforms, no helmets, no equipment, no tanks, no AA, no arty, no field kitchens or MREs... this is where NATO supplies of older but functional equipment of all types have made one heck of a difference. Where you get the last 1.7 million soldiers from I don't know.
Tried making one of those meme maps, but couldn't come up with anything appropriate. So here's a dude kissing an elephant.
This is a sort of Rorschach test, it means you are good at heart IMHO
the elephant has been kissed
That’s sweet of you Anon, Godspeed
>Ukraine kissing a Republican
I'll take it.
NOW WE CROSS THE RIVER AND KEEP CHASING
https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1568586423783006216
If they're evacuating Volchansk rather than pulling what troops they had along the supply lines back to mount a defense there, they're abandoning the north entirely. There will be no second line of defense to fall back to.
They'll run to the border from every position in the north supplied on the northern tracks and not wait to be threatened by Ukraine. Better to pull out on your own terms and maybe leave less shit behind than do it under fire I suppose.
Not the dumbest thing in the world, but this effectively means the troops out of Izyum and anywhere else already in contact with the enemy are completely on their fricking own and Russia isn't going to throw up a defensive line for the retreat beyond troops snowballing as they run into eachother and maybe having a rearguard if it's an actual retreat and not a rout. Must figured it'd endanger more troops than it would save to attempt relief.
Which is a sorry ass evaluation of troops that were meant to guard the fricking routes these guys will need to get back and won't be there anymore. Probably right, but still.
>Russian propagandists claim that Ukrainian troops landed in the village of Khotomlya.
>The invaders began evacuation from Volchansk.
From a French telegram, believed to have ties with the French MFA, he initially was active during the corona crisis and then started to warn about an upcoming Ukrainian war as early as August 2021.
"The situation is catastrophic for Russia. Cities have been falling one after the other for the last 3 days, but today, everything is accelerating. Russian troops are fleeing at the sight of any soldier or vehicle with a Ukrainian flag. Messages intercepted in Luhansk ask: "What is happening in the north? Are they really coming for us next?".
-Izum is being captured, cut off from the south, Savyntsi is falling with it. Svatove is beginning to be surrounded after Kupiansk was retaken and Russian troops decided to hole up east of the city.
-Lyssychansk is being attacked on 2 fronts, and Ukrainian soldiers are already penetrating the city.
-Starobilsk is being emptied, the soldiers are panicking because the north is being isolated from the east and the south, essential roads to provide food.
-A wind of panic is blowing in the north-east, Russian troops are already preparing to leave for Belgorod.
-The resumption of the Kherson region seems to be taking shape, Russian troops are dispersing there too.
The momentum is in favor of Ukraine, and if Russia does not react quickly, the map of the territory of this war will change drastically in the next 24 hours."
Cont'd
"Traffic jams began to form in the direction of Belgorod.
Many troops fled and many soldiers did not respond and were suspected of desertion.
The morale of the Russian troops is non-existent. After months of waiting, difficult survival, scarce food, hatred of the local population, isolation from all sides, flight of commanders and generals leaving them alone to defend the conquered cities ... the soldiers no longer find a reason to resist.
The next few days will be extremely interesting."
>"Traffic jams began to form in the direction of Belgorod.
France 1940 here we go
That's why some Russians are starting to say they'll be the new "surrender monkeys" now.
If only the Ukies had the airsupport to do this to the fleeing VatBlack folk
They did, a bit
https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1568606319057436676
Thats the dirt lane of death, not the highway
YUMMERS! What do you say fellas, ya think crops fertilized with dead vatniks have that certain umami taste that I can't get enough of?
>the soldiers no longer find a reason to resist
>"I surrender."
>"Uhhhh, we don't have enough food and water for all the others who have surrendered so you will have to walk back to russia by yourself, we'll give you enough food and water for that at least. Sorry."
being sent to Russia is the most cruel punishment I can imagine
My great-granddad unironically got this treatment at the end of WW1 as an Austro-Hungarian infantryman and had to walk back from Italy to Lviv on foot.
Story?
This is the most specific info I have read the whole week. Please consider making a separate thread for this source.
There's not enough from him to make a thread, he's not very active. The last time he posted was on August 30 to announce Gorbachev's death hours before it was officially announced.
And before that, he was only active in mid-August when Ukraine started targeting airbases deep within Crimea. He's not an OSINT account, he doesn't cover rumors, military deliveries or villages being captured, only the big stuff, so he'll likely post more in the coming hours/days but only a few messages.
Okay. However, consider me greatly interested. Starting a new thread whenever he does posts seem to me at the very least as valuable as the bong o'clock ones.
Seems accurate, Russians are seen retreating en-masse from everywhere.
https://twitter.com/COUPSURE/status/1568595212062306305
DON"T LET THEM REACT UKRAINE.
Shoot the officers, wreck the communications, jam all the calls, unleash the partisans, drive the Technicals, do everything possible to prevent the Russians from responding.
Blow up or seize everything related to the Russian war effort.
So this is the Vatniks then? (the routing parts)
1:42:
What's the telegram channel?
>then started to warn about an upcoming Ukrainian war as early as August 2021
Certain invasion before 2025 has been the concesus in the relevant euro academic circles for many, many years
but none of them ever suggested the secret police monkey in charge was actually a CIA double agent
All those ISW comments about the foolishness of Russia's summer offensive and how it would degrade morale and make soldiers subject to routs now seems prescient. It seems they left a lot of militia guarding that area too and those guys don't even want to be there, so them routing is going to frick up even competent forces' ability to respond. The civilian flight also clogs up all the roads, and all the Russian transplants for civilian posts fleeing as well.
>wake up
>Izium has been liberated
what the frick is going on?
>Izyum
You're late, the entire northern front is collapsing.
Lynan gone as well. Rumours that Lysychansk is now being attacked. It's crazy, all seems fake as hell but the videos and pics keep coming
>According to occupation authorities in Vovchansk, Russian forces are "temporarily" leaving the city. They'll reportedly come back one day.
WHAT THE ACTUAL FRICK?
location of Vovchansk for context
wat
Isn’t that where the dumbawean administration relocated to?
yes
But also they fricked off out of there too, and they're going to belgorod now
>source?
liveuamaps
Pictures coming in claiming to be from Ukrainian troops entering the outskirts of Sievierodonetsk...
Wait, the Ukrainians have reached Severeodonetsk already?!
By all means Ukraine, get in the Technicals and step on the gas. See how far you can race ahead.
That picture could be taken 21Km away from Sievierodonetsk city centre and only one (1km) from where the frontlines were
That says Sievierodonetsk district. Lysychansk is in that district too, so they'd pass that sign on approach to Lysychansk.
This fricking war man. Its cool that i could witness a conventional war unfold. Anything else up to now was bombing tribesmen.
Despite everyone telling me to STOP CARING ABOUT UKRAINE I've had my fun, it's been comfy even
don't speak as if it's already over
They're going to have to start reaching a lot deeper into the hat to find that rabbit now.
Getting to watch a "modern" war where neither side has effective air power has been pretty interesting, even if the summer was boring as frick WW1 one mile a week meme
>Six miles of ground has been won
>Half a million men are gone
>And as the men crawled the general called
>And the killing carried on and on
>How long?
>What's the purpose of it all?
>What's the price of a mile?
>What now?
the pimple will be lanced
>too weak to fight
>too heavy to swim
>too slow to run
>too panicked to scuttle
>too cowardly to surrender
>too smelly to blend in with civilians
>too dumb to kill their officers
guess what option they have left
Retake Mariupol, cut the land bridge in half. Also take the NPP on the way so we can stop hearing about it.
how many forces are in Izyum?