What made the Prussians so fearsome?

What made the Prussians so fearsome?

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Their gay king. Dude was brilliant.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      All hail images (36).jpg!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Railroads, effective conscription, general staff, less corruption and of course the mandatory military service which gave Prussians huge pool of trained men.

      Prussians had inferior rifles but superior artillery, which I believe balance each other in terms of equipment.

      Frederickan army died in the dual battle of Jena-Auerstadt. Later Prussian army was a derivation from models copied from the French Grande Armee.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      He was really a gay IRL.
      But the best King ever.
      His Grandpa was like a party guy who bankrupted prussia.
      His Father was a hardcore soldier king.
      he was both of both worlds

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Real, unironic answer?

      Repressed homosexuality. Just look at Fritz, von Steuben, von Moltke.

      >On November 14, 1908, Dietrich Graf von Hülsen-Haeseler died of a heart attack while on a hunting trip in honor of the Kaiser. The hunting party was staying at Donaueschingen Castle in Donaueschingen, Baden-Württemberg; the Black Forest country estate of Prince Max von Furstenberg. During a formal evening function von Hülsen-Haeseler appeared dressed in the pink tutu and rose wreath of a ballerina, dancing for the Kaiser and his assembled guests.[1] The performance included pirouettes, jumps, capers and flirtatious kisses to the audience.[2] Apparently exhausted by his exertions the general bowed, collapsed and was pronounced dead after hasty medical attention.[3][4] The circumstances were covered up by the officer corps so as not to further inflame public pressure over the homosexually themed Harden–Eulenburg affair. Ironically, it was von Hülsen-Haeseler who had organized the cover-up of that scandal.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietrich_von_H%C3%BClsen-Haeseler

      >Elbe described the lack of conjugal relations, happening only on the first and second night of their marriage, Moltke's overly close friendship with Eulenburg with whom he was always spending too much time, and her ignorance of homosexuality
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eulenburg_affair

      t. great great something was a landser in the Prusso-Franco war, and current trans woman obsessed with militaria

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >He was heir presumptive to the throne of the Grand Duchy of Baden, and in October and November 1918 briefly served as the last chancellor of the German Empire and minister-president of Prussia.
        >Max von Baden was homosexual and even listed on an according list of the Berlin criminal police as a young officer, however in 1900 he decided for dynastic reasons to marry Princess Marie Louise of Hanover and Cumberland.[3] So did the future King Gustaf V of Sweden who married Max's cousin Victoria of Baden

        >Magnus Hirschfeld
        >born 14 May 1868, Kolberg, Kingdom of Prussia,

        >Prince Friedrich Leopold of Prussia (1895-1959)
        >He lived with his private secretary, Friedrich Freiherr Cerrini de Monte Varchi (1895–1985), known as "Pierrot", in the "gentleman's wing" of the Palace
        >In May 1944, he and Cerrini were arrested in Bad Gastein for listening to a "Feindsender" (enemy radio station). Some sources claim they were actually charged with violating "Section 175", which prohibited homosexual activity.[6] Later that year, the Prince was remanded to Dachau.

        >Prince Friedrich Heinrich Albrecht of Prussia
        >He was relieved of his post as Commander of the Regiment at the beginning of 1907 and expelled from the Prussian Army because of his homosexuality. He was allowed to reenlist at the beginning of World War I as a private, but was denied promotion.
        >At the end of 1906, at the wishes of Kaiser Wilhelm II and as the heir of his deceased father, Friedrich Heinrich was voted the Herrenmeister of the Order of Saint John. However, due to increasing knowledge of his homosexuality, Prince Eitel Friedrich became the Herrenmeister instead. Journalist Maximilian Harden published an article on April 27, 1907 that this change in leadership was because the prince "suffers from an inherited version of inverted sex drive."[4] This is likely a reference to his homosexual ancestor Prince Henry of Prussia (1726–1802).

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >In particular, Hirschfeld cited the story of one of his patients as a reason for his gay rights activism: a young army officer suffering from depression who killed himself in 1896, leaving behind a suicide note saying that despite his best efforts, he could not end his desires for other men, and so had ended his life out of his guilt and shame.[10] In his suicide note, the officer wrote that he lacked the "strength" to tell his parents the "truth", and spoke of his shame of "that which nearly strangled my heart". The officer could not even bring himself to use the word "homosexuality", which he instead conHispanicuously referred to as "that" in his note.[9] However, the officer mentioned at the end of his suicide note: "The thought that you [Hirschfeld] could contribute a future when the German fatherland will think of us in more just terms sweetens the hour of my death."[11] Hirschfeld had been treating the officer for depression in 1895–1896, and the use of the term "us" led to speculation that a relationship existed between the two. However, the officer's use of Sie, the formal German word for you, instead of the informal Du, suggests Hirschfeld's relationship with his patient was strictly professional.[

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            germs..

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/FDizeHp.png

        >He was heir presumptive to the throne of the Grand Duchy of Baden, and in October and November 1918 briefly served as the last chancellor of the German Empire and minister-president of Prussia.
        >Max von Baden was homosexual and even listed on an according list of the Berlin criminal police as a young officer, however in 1900 he decided for dynastic reasons to marry Princess Marie Louise of Hanover and Cumberland.[3] So did the future King Gustaf V of Sweden who married Max's cousin Victoria of Baden

        >Magnus Hirschfeld
        >born 14 May 1868, Kolberg, Kingdom of Prussia,

        >Prince Friedrich Leopold of Prussia (1895-1959)
        >He lived with his private secretary, Friedrich Freiherr Cerrini de Monte Varchi (1895–1985), known as "Pierrot", in the "gentleman's wing" of the Palace
        >In May 1944, he and Cerrini were arrested in Bad Gastein for listening to a "Feindsender" (enemy radio station). Some sources claim they were actually charged with violating "Section 175", which prohibited homosexual activity.[6] Later that year, the Prince was remanded to Dachau.

        >Prince Friedrich Heinrich Albrecht of Prussia
        >He was relieved of his post as Commander of the Regiment at the beginning of 1907 and expelled from the Prussian Army because of his homosexuality. He was allowed to reenlist at the beginning of World War I as a private, but was denied promotion.
        >At the end of 1906, at the wishes of Kaiser Wilhelm II and as the heir of his deceased father, Friedrich Heinrich was voted the Herrenmeister of the Order of Saint John. However, due to increasing knowledge of his homosexuality, Prince Eitel Friedrich became the Herrenmeister instead. Journalist Maximilian Harden published an article on April 27, 1907 that this change in leadership was because the prince "suffers from an inherited version of inverted sex drive."[4] This is likely a reference to his homosexual ancestor Prince Henry of Prussia (1726–1802).

        https://i.imgur.com/FpUuNkW.jpg

        >In particular, Hirschfeld cited the story of one of his patients as a reason for his gay rights activism: a young army officer suffering from depression who killed himself in 1896, leaving behind a suicide note saying that despite his best efforts, he could not end his desires for other men, and so had ended his life out of his guilt and shame.[10] In his suicide note, the officer wrote that he lacked the "strength" to tell his parents the "truth", and spoke of his shame of "that which nearly strangled my heart". The officer could not even bring himself to use the word "homosexuality", which he instead conHispanicuously referred to as "that" in his note.[9] However, the officer mentioned at the end of his suicide note: "The thought that you [Hirschfeld] could contribute a future when the German fatherland will think of us in more just terms sweetens the hour of my death."[11] Hirschfeld had been treating the officer for depression in 1895–1896, and the use of the term "us" led to speculation that a relationship existed between the two. However, the officer's use of Sie, the formal German word for you, instead of the informal Du, suggests Hirschfeld's relationship with his patient was strictly professional.[

        [...]

        Kys chud

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They copied everything from the french after being BTFO at Austerlitz then spent all the GDP on it.

      If the Russian Empress died one year later his entire kingdom wouldn't have existed.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >images (36).jpg
      Do you have all those pictures because you are interested in his military genius, or because he’s your favorite historical gay and you dream of bottoming for him in an army camp?

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >that Baden/Wurttemburg border
    the HRE was a mistake

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The small border inside of wurttemburg is actually part of prussia.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        the tiny backwards F shape inside Wurttemburg was owned by the other two branches of the Hohenzollern family (Hohenzollern-Sigmarigen and Hohenzollern-Hechingen) who were just fucking around while the Brandenburg branch turned itself into a great power. Then it was given to Prussia in 1848

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/tRHibR8.jpg

          The small border inside of wurttemburg is actually part of prussia.

          Dear god that's even worse. Though I guess it's nothing on cancer like the 1500s Habsburgs, with their Burgundian shit splatter.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/tRHibR8.jpg

          The small border inside of wurttemburg is actually part of prussia.

          https://i.imgur.com/IZ4waLR.jpg

          >that Baden/Wurttemburg border
          the HRE was a mistake

          That tiny sliver of Prussian territory was actually the holdings of the Catholic (and agnatically elder) branch of the Hohenzolern family. One of the prices from that branch was offered the Spanish throne, which set the chain of events that resulted in the Franco-Prussian war.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Großer Deutscher Schwanz

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Fred the Great and his immediate predecessors. Getting that many competent and ambitious rulers in a row with similar priorities and aims is like winning the historical lottery.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Shame about his grandson, though

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Frederick cared about culture and education and less about the army.
      His father cared a lot about the army but didn't want to wage wars since wars damage your army so he built it up as asiolonatic tool to avoid war.
      Also he really liked looking at it.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They got into the whole, high end equipment, professional military with discipline and training- then dialed it up to eleventy before anyone else really figured it out.
    Its not that military ground forces prior were ineffective for beating up their peers, but the bar of what was considered a peer got raised much higher and now everyone else in the world who stood a chance of either ending up fighting them or wanted to be like them stood up and took notice.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Thank you for a thoughtful answer.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You're welcome

        https://i.imgur.com/1sVdBA9.jpg

        Autism

        More a case of extreme classism as well, it was very hard to be upwardly mobile in Prussia unless you came from some well connected families, had some kind of sponsor or managed to fumble your way through into some kind of luck. I'm not talking about bouncing from just say, being a cook and managing to somehow end up a regional council member, but even just going from being a cook to a restaurant owner type of mobility was very difficult if not impossible. (this was not ubiquitous to just Prussia, but unlike before, there was options to not be stuck there)
        So for my dad's side of the family, they just left and said you know, fuck this at around 1900.
        >I often get the joke from Germans or Austrians
        >Are you extremely disciplined with no sense of humour?
        >No, we left because of a lack of discipline and sense of humour!
        In hind sight, buggering off and leaving in the 1900's was a good move

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >More a case of extreme classism as well, it was very hard to be upwardly mobile in Prussia unless you came from some well connected families, had some kind of sponsor or managed to fumble your way through into some kind of luck.
          Prussia was unironically the most meritocratic state if Europe back then,which was one of the main drivers of the German industry and army.
          You dumb fuck.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Superior genes.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      saved. pic is brilliant

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's impossible to explain unless you understand Germans.
    And if you understand Germans then it needs no explanation.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Could Germans have won WW1 if they hadn't tried to provoke America?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      No. They were outnumbered and surrounded. The best outcome for WW1 would have been if the UK and Germans had pulled their allies by the ear and demanded arbitration or some similar settlement to end hostilities. But no, stupidity won the day and everyone got killed.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The winning move for Germany was not to have WW1 and instead just continue growing their economy and navy. Which meant telling the Austrians not to attack Serbia BY TELEGRAM instead of by courier.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      they need to not piss off russia, france, and britian at the same time.
      germany diplomacy went to shit after Bismarck left.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        it's kinda his fault for building the entire united german identity around fighting wars and shit. yeah, he was just savvy enough to prevent the country from getting ganged up on as he waged his short wars on everyone, but he should've realized that there would be at least 1 fuck-up in that department after he left.

        kinda the same as creating the position of chancellor. it was great for bismarck, having total control over everything, but not everyone is meant that kind of power

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >germany diplomacy went to shit after Bismarck left

        it's kinda his fault for building the entire united german identity around fighting wars and shit. yeah, he was just savvy enough to prevent the country from getting ganged up on as he waged his short wars on everyone, but he should've realized that there would be at least 1 fuck-up in that department after he left.

        kinda the same as creating the position of chancellor. it was great for bismarck, having total control over everything, but not everyone is meant that kind of power

        >he should've realized that there would be at least 1 fuck-up in that department after he left.
        He did know. He even had a vague prediction when and how. But King Willie sacked him, and he knew he'd be dead by the time the concert went completely off the rails and therefor not his responsibility to unfuck.

        Bismarck was a really cool historical figure.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Bismarck is the real motherfucker

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Ah, one from back when I liked that series. It was less interesting last time I checked.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If they attacked France during Russo-Japanese war/the revolution that followed it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Their 'provocation' was sinking american civil ships that were carrying supplies to UK.
      US and UK denied this but later divers found munitions in the wreck.
      So the answer is no because their enemies already had US support.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >tried to provoke America?
      American troops were genuinely irrelevant. What mattered was the Wallies getting free shit after they ran out of collateral in North America to trade for stuff.

      Fun Fact: Had, for some oddball reason, the American establishment gave France and Britain the middle finger and just seized all investments and refused to sell so much as a single bushel of wheat or a single ton of steel or a single trains worth of machining tools, France would have collapsed within a year and Britain would have been 20% less productive. Because Germany over ran that fucking much of French industry that France almost lost the war in the first thrust alone, it was only having its industries rebuilt and resupplied through the Anglo powers that it made it through.

      No. They were outnumbered and surrounded. The best outcome for WW1 would have been if the UK and Germans had pulled their allies by the ear and demanded arbitration or some similar settlement to end hostilities. But no, stupidity won the day and everyone got killed.

      The Germans were retarded and wanted to destroy Russia and protect the Hapsburgs, not realizing they already had everything they could want from Russia and that strategically, Austria offered nothing. The British wanted the continent to burn down before they got wise.

      delay that war for 10 years and Russia builds a fleet in the Black Sea capable of preventing another Crimean type intervention and an army capable of rolling over Turkey too fast for anyone to stop. And Russia becomes too powerful for Prussian to entertain further eastward marching and are forced to stop being sperging retards and offer a hand of friendship.

      The Russian-German Imperial alignment would indirectly doom Turkey and Iran and put India in "danger", while Germany would have a secure food and resource base and a 2nd industrial base to tap into.

      Germany and Russia working together shitstomps Austria and forces the Balkans to bend the knee, then Germany marches West with everything they got and nobody capable of stopping them.

      Then well, they march into the Middle East and across North Africa. The UK is rendered completely fucking irrelevant.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, France got its industrial heartland wrecked then a shitload of coal mines got flooded and factories were stolen/destroyed by the retreating German armies. It explains why they wanted so much to have a peace treaty that would durably weaken Germany to the point it seems excessiveley punishing to some, because areas like the Ruhr valley were intact while they had to rebuild basically the entire northeastern part of their country. Versailles was an unhappy compromise for everyone.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          France should have created an economic union with Germany to gain access to their industrial capabilities and prevent another war between them.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            There were politicians in the interwar period that tried to prevent another conflict with something similar (notably Aristide Briand) but there was too much ill will for it to work and feelings of revanchism were easy to stoke in Germany. The economic crisis of the early 30s made it worse with protectionism being widely entrenched. I don't think such an union was practically feasible until both countries experienced the mass destruction of modern warfare on their own territories to the point that military adventurism became utterly unappealing to the masses.
            It's still an interesting "what if" for an alternate history scenario.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      3 things happened in early 1917
      1) germany starts unrestricted submarine warfare
      2) russia collapses
      3) america joins the war
      if russia collapsesd earlier, germany would not have needed to provoke the americans and had a good chance of winning

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    in 1870 the german states also had better mobilisation doctrines and a much denser rail network for movement of troops and supplies. The prussians mobilised much faster than the french thought they could

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Great rulers, where each of them was focused on building a strong modernized military and martial tradition. The end result being "an army with a state" ruled by a "soldier king", epithets for Prussia and Frederick I respectively.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They were overblown in th 18th century due to a lot of mythmaking around the "philosopher-king" Frederick II and his new Sparta. That resulted in them being annihilated by Bonaparte in a couple days in 1806.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    General Staff.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I mean yes a good staff in general makes a difference, but I meant more particular reasons

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    genetic superiority, prussians were a baltic tribe fyi

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If you’re talking about 1870? Great military leadership, amazing use of railroads and heavy artillery which allowed them to both negate the French advantage in small arms and catch them flat-footed with the speed of their deployment.

    Overall? Their storied military discipline but it’s also somewhat overrated bevore the mid-19th. Frederick II’s Prussia punched well above its weight in the Seven Years War but survived simply because of an amazing and unespected stroke of luck. They had lost the war when the Empress of Russia died, and the new Tsar was a raging Prussiaboo. That’s it. Then forty years later they were properly humiliated when Napoleon quickly defeated and occupied the whole of Prussia in a matter of weeks, complete with a single French corps putting the main Prussian army to flight or a small unit of French cavalry captured a fortress manned by thousands of well supplied soldiers. IIRC Clausewitz saw it all and it taught him and Prussia some painful lessons that they wouldn’t forget (see the war of 1870 again). From then they would only get stronger and better.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Autism

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I’ve always found Blucher to be a fascinating figure. His military career almost seems like proof that you can, eventually, brute force your way to victory against even the greatest of strategists.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    military culture

    There were rekted by napoleon nonetheless

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      And they returned the favor at Waterloo. Napoleon himself said that victory belongs Blucher, not Wellington. Although part of that could just be his hatred of the British.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >And they returned the favor at Waterloo

        Yeah yeah but the napoleon army was crippled, and that fuck of Grouchy didnt showed up. But he win against the prussian at the Battle of Wavre.

        But it changed nothing

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >And they returned the favor at Waterloo

      Yeah yeah but the napoleon army was crippled, and that fuck of Grouchy didnt showed up. But he win against the prussian at the Battle of Wavre.

      But it changed nothing

      Napoleon lost.

      Yeah, France got its industrial heartland wrecked then a shitload of coal mines got flooded and factories were stolen/destroyed by the retreating German armies. It explains why they wanted so much to have a peace treaty that would durably weaken Germany to the point it seems excessiveley punishing to some, because areas like the Ruhr valley were intact while they had to rebuild basically the entire northeastern part of their country. Versailles was an unhappy compromise for everyone.

      >why they wanted so much to have a peace treaty that would durably weaken Germany to the point it seems excessiveley punishing to some
      >to some
      Learn English and then have a nice day.

      What's with the baguetteboos in this thread? Last time we had that we cucked them out of the Australian deal.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The Prussians were one of the first armies using breechloaders instead of muzzleloaders

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Logistics, logistics and more logistics.

    1. They had the most developed train network in (continental) Europe at the time competing against the UK at peer level

    2. Figured out the most effective train timetables for troop and material transport, allowing them to completely gather their army before the French managed to, even though the French declared war on THEM (granted it was a manufactured war and Prussia wanted it, but it was important for them to look like the Defender here).

    3. Logistics also meant better industry which meant more advanced rifles and higher range artillery. Prussian artillery easily outranged the French one, additionally Prussians had more rifles that could be fired and reloaded while lying on the ground, while France was still deep in their Line Infantry system arranging as blocks of men, all reloading while standing.

    So the short version is "France still lived in the Napoleonic Age Age because it worked for them. Prussia was already thinking in the Industrial Age". It was essentially like if Russia and NATO would go to war now... just decades between the two in terms of military doctrine to the point that Russia, regardless of numbers, isn't even close to being a peer anymore.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Much was already stated in this thread but here is a very good video comparing the Dreyse rifle of Prussia with the Chassepot of France. While the Dreyse is often portrayed as the worse gun (and it technically is) the differences are not as grave as one might think:

      Also a very good video about the Battle of Königgrätz and the infantry tactics used by Prussia and Austria:

      >while France was still deep in their Line Infantry system arranging as blocks of men, all reloading while standing.
      No. The breechloading Chassepot rifle became the service weapon of France in 1866. And France was famous for its aggressive skirmishing tactics during the Italian Wars against Austria. But generally the french favoured more rigid defensive tactics during the Franco-Prussian War which could in turn be exploited by the Germans.

      [...]
      Napoleon lost.
      [...]
      >why they wanted so much to have a peace treaty that would durably weaken Germany to the point it seems excessiveley punishing to some
      >to some
      Learn English and then have a nice day.

      What's with the baguetteboos in this thread? Last time we had that we cucked them out of the Australian deal.

      >Napoleon lost.
      Yes but he soundly defeated the Old Prussian Army which necessitated comprehensive reforms of both the army and the state. This defeat ultimately washed away the old aura of military might on which Prussia rested.

      Can someone explain how discipline was better? Were other armies just breaking during first contact?

      No but the prussian army had generally better small unit tactics and coordination between the individual army groups - from the smallest to the biggest unit. In a time before wireless communication this meant giving smaller individual units more freedom to operate and ultimately coming together as a whole. And that means that the individual soldier - and more importantly his immediate NCOs and COs - had to be more competent and able to act on his own.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        ahhh capnball, this is peak comfy stuff

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          He is peak comfy indeed. His hungslish also adds to the charm. And he introduced me to the Werndl rifle <3

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Problem solved.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Too late

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I really think it is a mindset think which prussians and most east Germans have.
    when you look at Berlin and the area around it there is only sand and no resources.
    Cologne has the big river and good soil, Hamburg is on the north sea. But Berlin there is not even good soil or trading routes.
    prussia did go the extra mile.
    In miltary like we dont have the most soldiers but we train to become the fastes reloder in Europe.
    One of the best sayings of a prussian king was: "every element in the state must make profit and gain value". so even schools produce something which could be sold on the market to refinance.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      east germans are hardly german
      theyve never contributed and they have never been the heartland
      the true germans are west - friendly intelligent and industrious descendants of charlemagne

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Sorry I like Prussia more then Charlemagne.

        But you are right there are some totally fascinating figures and family in the west.

        For me it is the family von Berg.
        Hardcore what they pull off

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Do you like a bunch of ethnic Russians LARPing as Fridericus Rex? Because that's what ossis are.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Better that than a nation of eternal guilt pansy gays that the wessies turned into.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Where some states possess an army, the Prussian army possesses a state

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    A willingness to adopt tech and adapt when others were stubborn. Moreover a society focused on productivity and discipline. Prussians are the kind of people to make Cadians look soft, almost a walking parody of themselves. Also some fantastic leadership plus a dash of good luck

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Can someone explain how discipline was better? Were other armies just breaking during first contact?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It wasn't. The Prussian system isn't actually a thing because it evolved, the army of Frederick the Great was very different from the army Moltke the Elder led into war.
      >Frederician Army
      This is mostly a meme, while it was oversized considering Prussia's population it wasn't actually notable in terms of organization or competence of individual soldiers or officers. Its success derived entirely from Frederick's military genius, without him the army is no different than any other army in Europe just look at how Napoleon assraped Prussia even worse than Austria or Russia.
      >Late Prussian Army
      This was the actual army that united Germany, it was reorganized with a more formal officer corps, conscription, and a doctrine supporting low level officer initiative. That being said, what won Prussia its wars above all else was logistics, trains and rapid mopbilization are devastating in the hands of an expert, its why Germany lost WW1, Russia's swift mobilization required that forces be withdrawn from France to halt Russian offensives into Prussia (granted Russia's offensives were a shitshow but the mobilization did its job)

      Old Prussia was an army with a state because it had a North Korea style oversized army, later Prussia had an actually competent army that didn't require a remarkable supreme commander to win battles.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Russia's swift mobilization
        I could swear that I learned the opposite - that France was quick to mobilize and Russia took forever, and then even longer to actually get where they are going, so the plan was always to throw everything West, knock France out, then redirect troops East.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Russia started their mobilization which is what triggered the actual war, while not as fast as more developed countries it was far faster than anyone had expected. Tannenberg happened about two weeks before Marne illustrating that Russia was (when Germany was diverting forces East) was seen as such a major threat that allowing them to advance without significant opposition could lose the war even if France was knocked out.

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Who would win a single country or a coalition of countries with double the population?
    The real hero of the Franco-Prussian war is Napoleon III for being incompetent at both diplomacy and military matters.

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Unironically Austrian incompetence.
    >Napoleon is defeated now to divide up his lands
    >Oh no Russia wants all of Poland how do we stop this?
    >Lets make all of Poland the personal fief of the Russian tsar there is no way he would ever just annex it into Russia outright
    >How do we get Prussia to agree without surrendering all of Saxony to them?
    >Lets just give them most of Saxony and all of the Rhineland so they control all the most populous parts of Germany
    >Brilliant and how to we ensure that we can ensure we will have to resources to prevent Prussian hegemony over the German Confederacy?
    >Lets put a bunch of our people on the thrones of Italy forcing us to be distracted by Italy while antagonizing the Italian population ensuring a constant second front and opening up inherent conflicts with France over Italy because the Italian Wars were the high point of Austrian power

    It's hard to say who won the Napoleonic wars, but if anyone lost the Napoleonic wars it was Austria.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Their neat hats

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