what kind of retard thinks that using GRU spetsnaz as regular infantry is a good idea? apparently they did same shit in first Chechen war
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what kind of retard thinks that using GRU spetsnaz as regular infantry is a good idea? apparently they did same shit in first Chechen war
Not much else to be done tbh. SOF only works with a large support structure backing it up, and I don't get the vibe Russia can reliably field any support for their SOF, so all they're left with is a handful skilled and experienced infantry. Considering all the skilled and experienced guys from regular units are long gone by now, the SOF guys might as well pick up the tab.
That isn't what spetznaz are. They're recon troops that report on the target, and then attack it kill it, torture the shit out of the prisoners for information, kill *them*, and then move on. They are basically highly trained government sponsored terrorists. They are not what we think of as Special Forces, and they require no support at all.
The old book by Viktor Suvorov covers all of this in bloodcurdling detail, if you can find a copy.
OP you're fucking retarded.
>what is a SEAL Platoon
>what is a Ranger Platoon
>who do Green Berets embed with on deployment?
Funnily enough SOF don't run around alone on the battlefield with a knife between their teeth silently killing hundreds of enemies.
Russia is deploying entire Spetznas brigades as heavy line infantry
tell me again how SEALs are structured?
>platoons within squadrons within teams
tell me again how Rangers are structured?
>platoons within companies within battalions
You're a fucking retard.
>being so russian you dont understand the issue of using special forces as general infantry
the job of Rangers is airfield seizure, the first thing they did in Grenada was seize an airfield against infantry
the first thing they did in Panama was parachute an entire battalion of Rangers to seize another airfield against infantry
in 2001 3/75 Rangers parachuted into Afghanistan to fight a ground war in Tora Bora against al queda and the taliban
in 2003 Rangers parachuted into Iraq to seize airfields
you're fucking retarded holy fuck pick up a fucking book you absolutely cluless fucking retard
Stop arguing with shills. You can not win.
sick of the absolute brain-rot tier takes from war tourists who know literally nothing about any military or tactics
>I believe OP is talking about a domestic police special forces unit, right? I know Spetsnaz covers these groups
Did OP specifically mention SOBR? No? So it's not 'domestic police special forces' is it? Shut the fuck up
NTA, but FSB and Rosgvardiya have been deployed to Ukraine, including SOF. The Rosgvardiya were in the front lines of the invasion, some of the first to get into the outskirts of Kharkiv and Kyiv. Basically, the Russian plan hinged on a much more rapid advanced and capitulation, and so they brought these guys up to police urban areas. Except the invasion was so botched some ended up being pressed into essentially front line urban combat with none of the training or equipment for it, leading to some large scale desertions that made it to the press. Basically, they said "fuck this," and drove back to Russia.
Then later, before the mobilization, Russia again was throwing mechanics, air strip maintainance crews, and what are essentially police into front line trench warfare. I haven't seen interviews with captives to that effect since the summer though.
I would imagine they want to keep most of the Rosgvardiya at home for domestic unrest, but they have them deployed to occupied areas as police as well.
The article describes how they were asked to push into urban areas where the Ukrainian army had artillery, tanks, etc. with canvas covered trucks and assault rifles. And obviously these guys aren't integrated with the military so there isn't the same set up for calling in CAS and fire missions or logistic support. I consider myself a patriot (I suppose I wouldn't be in Russia as much), but I'd fucking desert too.
I'm sure you're totally neutral and not just seething at the very thought of someone pointing out that russia has been using their SOF in the most retarded way possible.
This. I don't get why people have some a difficult time understanding roles. This autistic obsession with nonsensical ranking of things has rotted their brains.
This would be more relevant if the Russians used the VDV in a similar manner for longer than the opening day of the invasion before turning a lot of them into trench meat.
VDV are still there, still kicking ass and taking names.
medal for surviving
medal for rape
medal for holding breath underwater
medal for not surrendering
medal for failing to take objective
medal for not getting caught stealing
I guess 4 surviving VDV members must be something special
and understand I am referring to the 4 that seem to have gotten more than merely a participation medal, of which there seems to be six.
>you guys are retards!
>guys the american army uses ITS special forces for these specific tasks, especially paratrooping!
>this is why you are of being wrong about russian special forces being used for GENERAL INFANTRY
very good, John of Idaho Oblast.
I think you're missing the point. Using special forces to hold a fixed line of contact, basically parking them in trenches to get shelled, is a waste.
Also, I believe OP is talking about a domestic police special forces unit, right? I know Spetsnaz covers these groups and that they have been in Ukraine and taken bad losses. Deploying the equivalent of an American SWAT team who are mostly used to doing raids on criminals or in Russia dissidents, doing some torture for intel and fun, and always massively outgunning their opponents, and then shoving them into a trench isn't a great use of a team drilled for law enforcement raids and hostage rescue. I mean, if they are like American SWAT they don't even train for calling in artillery, using mortars or anti-tank weapons, etc. You don't use artillery to blow up a meth lab and even Russians don't rescue hostages by mortaring their positions.
>You don't use artillery to blow up a meth lab
>and even Russians don't rescue hostages by mortaring their positions.
lol, are you familiar with Russia?
you've heard of what happened in Beslan, right? goddamn you're dumb.
A seal platoon is only 16 dudes
May we see them?
Ye, people don't get that 90% of SOF's job is Recon and sabotage. You think it would be them slitting bin ladens neck every 5 seconds or stopping nukes launching when in reality they're mostly just sitting in bushes with binos recording information and maybe blowing up railroads or depots
>you think it would be them slitting bin ladens neck every 5 seconds or stopping nukes launching because of movies and games*
Operating on platoon level simple don't work in this state of war like in Bakhmutr, you getting massacred. And this take/sentence comes directly from a ukrainian friend who joined the ukrainian SOF in last winter. He learned this in the hard way
My additional 2 cent. The problem is, you cannot pull out an entire Brigade of Spetsnaz out of your ass. If you do you pretty much good until you have a bad day and you cannot recover from this like what happen around Irpin. The answer is probably alongside troops but idk I'm not a general. At least my friend was pretty good with shit like this
and it didn't end with 60-80% casualties rates in two weeks.
Are you saying you need a lot more troops concentrated, to disperse the troops out into smaller units, both, or what?
Remind me what Task Unit Bruiser was in Iraq? SEALs operating within platoons fighting against Iraqi irregulars?
Why don't you post some timestamped evidence of your service in a SOF unit and prove just how much you know from your first hand experience to criticise a foreign military such as the Russian military for using a special unit in a certain way
or would you like to continue getting repeatedly BTFO with every post you make?
>once again insists that retard vatnik special forces being used as general infantry en mass is ok
>because america used special forces in special forces manner
>p-post proofs PROOFSSSSSSSSSS OF SOF
>or... or I will BTFO you again!
>According to the leaked documents, the 346th Spetsnaz unit “lost nearly the entire brigade with only 125 personnel active out of 900 deployed.”
>Another unit, the 25th Spetsnaz Regiment, apparently never made it back to Russia from Ukraine, possibly due to extreme casualty rate and equipment losses.
>Losing a large number of well-trained commandos in the first months of the war allegedly hampered the Russian forces’ ability to use clandestine tactics behind enemy lines.
>US experts have concluded that going forward, gutted Spetsnaz units will be less effective not only in Ukraine, but in others parts of the world as well.
>Rob Lee, a Russia military expert and senior fellow with the Foreign Policy Research Institute, told The Washington Post that the decimation of the special forces early in the conflict has has changed the course of the war for Moscow because so many of the resources, including both skills and equipment, had been lost and could not be easily replaced.
>Special forces were reportedly used in a botched attempt to capture Ukraine’s capital of Kyiv — and kidnap President Volodymyr Zelensky.
>They were also said to have been deployed in Kharkiv in the east, where many of them were killed or taken prisoner.
>Lee said that Spetsnaz fighters were also ineffectively used in the city of Mariupol and in the town of Vuhledar in the Donetsk region, which has seen some of the bloodiest battles of the war that have been likened to a “meat grinder.”
da comrade, we throw special forces at front lines! URAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>gets killed like the rest of the general infantry
we are still of strong! use special forces correct way!
>hands out medals to survivors for PR
>special forces used in an attempt to capture the president of the country russia invaded in a large scale war
Explain to me how this is any different from Operation Gothic Serpent using a large element of Rangers to establish blocking positions while Delta went in to capture Addid's high ranking lieutenants???? It's literally identical only on a smaller scale and when things went wrong 18 Americans died 2 blackhawks crashed and the entire operation was cancelled.
Do you need me to detail the large scale special forces operations against Noreiga or Pablo Escobar?
Literally everything you type is wrong and the use of special forces in conventional warfare is well documented.
What should they have done? Walked around in groups of 4 like Operation Redwing and died to the closest group of 7 ukrainian soldiers? Operating withing a platoon or conducting company level assaults is precisely how you conduct large scale land warfare
they should not have been born russian and used like russians to become dog food for putins retardation lmao
russia flat out shouldn't have even TRIED to use them since they had no ABILITY to perform a decapitation strike with them.
but russia is a nation of retarded subhumans that only understand lies, violence, theft, and depression.
of course, maybe if they had a slight brain they could have tried NOT trusting ukraine to be as retarded as they used to be.
maybe they could have used them to go out and disable communications networks and power and settled in for a slog from the start
Instead they decided to retard rush like russia always has. And now all they are good for is being better front line soldiers than mobiks.
It's not, but Gothic Serpent was also retarded. Special Forces always need support from conventional forces if they want to mount an overt raid of that scale.
Seems to work just fine.
Except they're all dead now.
Some piggers survived.
This is literally more than half a year old.
Context behind this footage
Consequences of a nighttime engagement. Russians had thermals, they didn't.
Oh no, not an entire squad! I'm so demoralized! I guess I'll write to the Boyar of Texas Oblast where I live because I'm an American comrade and beg him to make peace with Russia, which is our friend!
Oh no! Ukrainians die too in this war! Who would have guessed. I guess we should now stop sending them munitions to slaughter russians with... Nah just kidding!, we haven't even hit 500,000 vatnik losses yet, it's still fun 🙂
be honest, are you an actual child or just mentally one?
>Seems to work just fine
Dude the recent leaks showed that a HUGE contingent of Spetsnaz was wiped out in the first few months of the war and each one of those guys takes years of training to replace…
It's the same thing since the Soviet-Afghan war, their recon units or specops are the only ones that can do anything at all so they often force them into frontline positions.
what kind of retard thinks that using GRU spetsnaz as regular infantry is a good idea?
Retarded Russiaboos were trying to promote this on PrepHole a decade ago.
Smartest russian on the front
They don't have a very deep pool of well trained troops. It's use SOF as the spear tip and achieve something or send mobiks to die and accomplish nothing.
And just sitting back and defending while you try to train quality troops doesn't get monke his banans, so that's not an option either.
Also it doesn't help that over a million Russian men, the smartest and most capable too have NOPE'd the fuck out of Russia to avoid mobilisation, so the manpower pool you're drawing from is already not the highest quality.
they're running low on decently trained troops, vid related was newly GRU sent to the front
Sure it was.
Why not? Everyone uses their SF as infantry because... they are infantry.
Putting them in trenches would be retarded but using them for attacks is what they are designed for.
The trouble is, is that all of the SOF losses are getting backfilled by Mobiks, so the ones that got mauled earlier in the war are elite in name only. As other Anons have also said, they don't have enough fully trained infantry to carry out assaults or hold important locations, so they have to use what they have to plug in the gaps and that often means using highly specialised troops very inefficiently.
Maybe the same who used navy seals in the desert. And you know why? Cause sfs are poster boys, they give recognition and boost morale in the war.
Navy seals get used as regular infantry in wars, it's exactly the same thing.
>what kind of retard thinks that using GRU spetsnaz as regular infantry is a good idea?
All special operations forces are comprised essentially of NCO-caliber men. It makes a lot of sense to distribute experienced and competent leaders amongst the line platoons and companies. It's sometimes the best call, especially in a stagnant trench war where your elite troops have less clear objectives. When your line platoons and companies are getting obliterated at an incredible rate, it arguably makes more sense to cannibalize your special operations groups and buttress the fighting power of your line troops directly.
russian special forces have a spotless record even before the special ukraine depiggerization training drill operation,lets look at it together
"The Moscow theater hostage crisis (also known as the 2002 Nord-Ost siege) was the seizure of the crowded Dubrovka Theater by Chechen terrorists on 23 October 2002, which involved 850 hostages and ended with Russian security services killing or causing the death of at least 170 people.[...]All 40 of the insurgents were shot dead when unconscious, and up to 130 hostages died during the siege, including 9 foreigners, due to the toxic substance pumped into the theater."
couple of years later down south,same brave russian soldiers
"The Beslan school siege (also referred to as the Beslan school hostage crisis or the Beslan massacre) was a terrorist attack that started on 1 September 2004, lasted three days, involved the imprisonment of more than 1,100 people as hostages (including 777 children) and ended with the deaths of 333 people, 186 of them children, as well as 31 of the attackers. It is considered to be the deadliest school shooting in history."
to put it into perspective how spectacularly amazing the performance of brave puccian ratniks was at beslan special dechechnification operation was
couple of towelheads waltz into a school on a day that happened to have a lot more students present than normal (even god wants puccians dead) and they take em all hostage
the puccian response was ,of course, to start shooting and got fucking graped then proceed to assure that the local policemen returned to the station under their own power and that only 200 kids or so were held hostage(in reality there was about 1000 people lol).
they let the smart towelheads throw people out the fucking windows,gather up everybody in the gym hall and set up an impenetrable defense with dead man triggers and bombs rigged on children.puccian armed forces then stormed the school a couple times again,this time with helicopters and btrs,and only managed to increase the civilian kill count by firing artillery,rockets and fucking 20 mm into the school until the towelheads all died and triggered the explosives to blow up and kill pretty much everybody
You are the reason PrepHole is a shit source of info.