They've come a long way from 2014.
Also, what weapons has Ukraine manufactured or modified indigenously?
What is your opinion of the Ukrainian military's usage of weapons?
They've come a long way from 2014.
Also, what weapons has Ukraine manufactured or modified indigenously?
I am not really saying much lately. There was the Tavor clone (Malyuk?). The BTR-4 (modified from BTR-x0) with the 30mm (probably best Ukranian-modified thing). The T-64 mods seemed to do ok. There were a couple of modified Tochkas and TU-141s, but I think all of that is used up and gone. I have never heard anything about Ukranian-built artillery actually being used, Bogdan or whatever.
seeing*. I forgot the Stugna with its remote controls. Alfa seems to be focusing on drones and daisy-chaining ambush stuff. All of it is custom one-offs again as far as I can tell.
I would also really like to know what the Spetsnaz doing WORK in 2014 is up to now. Specifically Omega, who covered for Alpha when they bitched out of Kramatorsk (iirc, whatever airforce was recaptured) and if Skat is doing anything (other than shitting on OPs mom)
>Tavor clone (Malyuk?)
WHAT DOES THE REDDIT FROG HAVE TO DO WITH THAT?
Neptune ASMs anon
>The BTR-4 (modified from BTR-x0)
It's not. BTR 4 has central engine placement, very different from BTR 80 hull, all optoelectronical systems, etc. It's a completely new vehicle.
>There were a couple of modified Tochkas and TU-141s,
Tochka U moderization program started shortly before the war, basically it included a guidance system from Iskander and new propellant. Tu-141 was a bit retarded imo, S-200 conversion into ballistic missile is a bit better, but ultimately they both are the fruit of sheer retardedness of the former CEO of Ukroboronprom. Just 4 months after the appointment of a new one, we already have an extended R-360, new Vilkhas being produced and, quoting Zelensky, "thousands or tens of thousands Stugnas per month"
Btw, the biography of this new Ukroboronprom CEO looks like something out of a soviet propaganda film-graduated from uni, went to work on Morozov tank plant as a regular engineer, became Main Constructor of Lviv tank plant, then of Morozov DB, then of Malyshev tank plant, and finally-of Ukroboronprom
Very smart, very improvising. Nobody would have thought they would be so ingenious in coming up with DIY solutions.
They need to introduce that concept into NATO heavily. It may be the true key to defeating the control-obsessed Mainland Chinese. We need to out-think our adversaries and not just coast on technology.
Not sure if it is necessary. Maybe for Taiwan, but Ukraine has the issue of working with both soviet and western equipment, as well as some of their own production, so they try to make one system work with a different one. NATO can just use what they have, no need for refitting and cardboard drones when you have flying stealth missile dump trucks.
thats the aim of the Replicator project the US announced, basically riff on the Ukrainian strategy of cheap drone systems working in concert in novel ways only with the budget of the US military instead of that of Ukraine - so instead of a few thousand drones operating per month it would be in the upper 10s to 100s of thousands with live unfiltered access to American intelligence gathering and analysis systems
I especially like their recent tactic of clearing minefields using their feet. I never would have thought of that.
they're doing pretty good, all things considered (post-soviet corruption/a fucking WAR etc)
there are nice domestic modifications for t-series soviet era tanks (they claim production of those BM Oplot tanks, we'll see if it's bullshit or not in coming years), domestic development of new reactive armor (not kontakt, i don't remember the name), everyone knows about btr4 (it's not just a mod of btr80, different engine placement, domestic autocannon module and stuff like that), those stugnas, malyuk is a completely domestic production too (not the fucking tavor clone lmao like retard-anon up there suggested). ughhh idk that Bohdana spg doesn't look that bad, we'll see how it shows itself in coming months/years.
their strong production and development are drones i think, fixed wing recon ones, maritime suicide boats, flying suicide drones.
also just remembered they have a missile production too and claimed hitting a target at 700 km range somewhere in russia. oh and they have aviation industry too, no idea about it's state rn, but the fact turks are building a bairaktar factory in ukraine and using ukrainian made aviation engines on their Akıncı UAV speaks for itself.
i think ukies are doing fine.
>domestic development of new reactive armor (not kontakt, i don't remember the name)
Nizh(knife) , I believe?
Yeah, there is also double-stacked version of Nizh called Duplet
> malyuk is a completely domestic production too (not the fucking tavor clone lmao like retard-anon up there suggested)
Looks like you are right ¯_(ツ)_/¯:
> It was designed to replace Soviet AK-pattern weapons in use by the Ukrainian army. It also serves as an alternative to the Ukrainian licensed IMI Tavor TAR-21 clone, the Fort-221, as the Malyuk is entirely domestically designed and manufactured.
Omage was running Fort-221s in 2014 though.
>domestic development of new reactive armor (not kontakt, i don't remember the name)
Soviet development. Unclear if it works.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nizh_(explosive_reactive_armour)
Regarding aviation - Ukraine built the engines for the Bayraktar. The other aviation "innovation" is hooking up Western missiles to SU-24s.
>"innovation"
anon you seem a little bit biased, show me on the picrel where ukraine hurt you
I am not biased, see
Yea, good call. Trying to get a fairly complete list.
Dude, NOBODY did that before the Ukrainians. We couldn't figure out how to get the damn Western missiles to work on Soviet planes.
Poland was doing it lol. It's not great since the missile is totally reliant on internal systems.
Ukraine did it better than Poland.
>Soviet development
>oж — мoдyльный кoмплeкc динaмичecкoй зaщиты тpeтьeгo пoкoлeния для тaнкoв yкpaинcкoгo пpoизвoдcтвa, paзpaбoтaнный в 1997—1998 гг.[1] CКTБ ИПП HAHУ coвмecтнo c ГП БЦКT «Mикpoтeк», HИЦ «Maтepиaлooбpaбoткa взpывoм» ИЭC им. Пaтoнa HAHУ и ХКБM им. Mopoзoвa
Translated:
Nizh is a third-generation modular dynamic protection complex for Ukrainian-made tanks, developed in 1997-1998.[1] SKTB IPP NASU together with SE BTsKT "Mikrotek", Research Center "Material Processing by Explosions" of PWI n.a. Paton of the National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine and Morozov KhKBM
Are you PrepHolening the captcha from an alternate dimension where SU fell in 1999?
>Also, what weapons has Ukraine manufactured or modified indigenously?
Probably easier to list what wasn't modified / developed. But the problem has always been the lack of commitment form the government and critical lack of funding. Almost every time it has been the case that only a few dozen new things get made, like with Oplot.
But now things are very different.
And now Western military industry is pouring in, bringing in its factories.
Ukraine will be the arsenal of Europe.
Indigenous manufacture includes stuff like the Z-15 and UAR-15 ARs (and their .308 variants). The Malyuk is literally just a bullpup chassis under professional indigenous manufacture for AK-pattern rifles. They've got their own home-grown TAR-21s in 5.45x39mm, too. They've actually been breaking out a lot of World War 2 surplus and bringing it back up to par, like air-cooled conversions of the M1910/30s. Some units have been seen running M1928A1 Thompsons, and there have been a lot of MG42s (and various modern production ones) They're domestically producing their own DShKs and getting a lot of M2HBs sent in, and they're even producing their own anti-materiel rifles like the hadjis were doing.
I remember early on in the war that chop-shop garages were shutting down vehicular maintenance to work on going out and finding PKTs from disabled vehicles, bringing them back to the shop and then converting them to infantry-portable GPMGs. A lot of neat shit, but I've been more interested to see what melting pots they've been donated over time.
>ywn be a TDF volunteer who wakes up to find he's been issued JSDF gear
@59442753
if it helps you deal with a worsening outlook for the russian defense, okay
Ukies have improved immensely since 2014. They’re still significantly below the Russian at the moment as Russians have a higher competence ceiling to climb towards from the start of the war. Ukies continue to be hamstrung by a very poor strategic-level command. The problem with that is that top generals and civilian leadership can resist fundamental changes. This will kill Ukraine’s ability to achieve a decisive victory.
Political concerns have long overrode military sense in Russia.
Ukrainian strategy is sound. Two defense lines in the South have already been breached. Russian forces elsewhere are fixed in place.
Seriously, if Ukraine is doing so poorly on that "decisive victory" thing, why is Russia sending a Combined Arms Army not projected to be combat-ready till 2014 on top of its best remaining reserve unit (a Guards Air Assault Division) to the South?
Considering that they've reduced the Second Army of the World to cowering in trenches, incapable of resuming any offensive and desperate to avoid retreating any quicker than they already are? I'd have to say the Ukrainian military is punching way the fuck above their weight class.
>They've come a long way from 2014.
Agreed, the difference is night and day. It's remarkable how concerted effort can turn things around.
With NATO gear. If all they had back at the start of the war were Stungas and RPGs the Russians would be in Kiev right now managing the transition to a new government. The Russians failed badly in launching the Kiev operation (readiness too low) but it was Javelin and NLAW which punished them enough to force them to retreat. Without that punishment they’d have ground their way to Kiev anyway, completed the encirclement and force the government to fall. They are courageous and hard-fighting and that’s a necessity— but the other necessity are all the high-end Western gear, the finest recon in the world, service depots 100% paid for out of country and key systems greatly beyond Russia’s.
My favorite is Snipex 14.5 sniper rifles (hand-cannons in actuality).