what is the tactical advantage of making gunships which can be easily shot down by infantry rifles?

what is the tactical advantage of making gunships which can be easily shot down by infantry rifles?
14 years and they couldn't come up a less lame cliche

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not just infantry rifles, fucking bows and arrows can pierce the cockpits.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They were immune when the bows were firing up if you recall, only with the added speed of a dive did they penetrate.

      https://i.imgur.com/J46fOaV.jpg

      what is the tactical advantage of making gunships which can be easily shot down by infantry rifles?
      14 years and they couldn't come up a less lame cliche

      Are there gunships that cant be brought down by significant rifle caliber fire at close range?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The idea that a stick can penetrate a super futuristic helicopter by just going really fast is still pretty ludicrous, we have ballistic glass today that could easily tank Navi arrows.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not just infantry rifles, fucking bows and arrows can pierce the cockpits.

          What if the arrowheads were some science magic material like the unobtainium stuff? Their arrows are also the size of pool cues going like 200 mph so there's probably a lot more energy behind it than dinky human arrows.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            At 90mps(201mph), a 800 gram arrow (average javelin size) would have 3240 Joules of KE on impact. That's about twice that of most 5.56 rounds and getting close to what .308 can impart.
            Obviously a (bone?) arrowhead will have different penetration versus lead, but I can still see it being quite harmful to plexiglass at those speeds.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >a 800 gram arrow (average javelin size)
              Are you using olympic Javelin weights? Like did you just google "how much does an olympic Javelin weigh" without stopping and thinking for a second how they're constructed?
              I'll try to put this nicer than the other anon.
              I mean your overall point that "It would probably do damage" is probably on the money, but you're underselling that by quite a bit by using a hollow aluminum tube to represent an arrow and using bullets to compare to arrows.
              Barrier penetration is a tricky science, it's basically impossible to just easily convert one thing to another based on one factor (energy, momentum, etc) without testing it or at least having a close-as-possible comparison.
              To break this down in a more practical context, even something as small as the material properties of the wood (tensile strength, hardness, and flexibility) not to mention the arrowhead (hardness, sharpness, head shape) can make a huge difference in what it will or wont penetrate. Then you throw in the difference between bullets and arrows, and things get even more confused. Most arrows will penetrate Kevlar that stops 44 mag and shotgun slugs, but fail against a sheet of metal that 44mag and shotgun slugs will punch through. Then you get into murky territory like projectiles having the same energy but different momentum and that changing certain penetrations. There are cases like that with all kinds of projectile designs and target materials.

              Something everyone always misses (because they don't clearly explain it in the movie and only in the expanded lore) is that the RDA is a private company and all the "military" you see in the movie are basically ex military mall cops who aren't really intended to genocide the natives. They're also bound by contract and treaty with the Earth government to not be allowed to have any actual military grade weaponry or vehicles. This is a minor plot point in the 1st movie where they have to jury rig a bomber out of a shuttle and and some pallets.

              It's still stupid though because in the 1st movie there's a scene where they shoot Quattrich in his gunship and the arrows bounce off but then for the rest of the movie that ability is gone for some reason.

              Also neat side bit but apparently the actual military grade exosuits don't have arms and are all guns and armor.

              If I remember correctly the bows fail firing up, but succeed firing down when diving on those dragon bird things. Some extra FPS and a better angle can make a big difference in armor penetration (especially with very long, slow projectiles), and we really don't know what those cockpits were even designed to withstand.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            a middle ground could be that the arrow manages to penetrate, but just barely and is jammed in it but doesn't hit the pilot
            and it has a grenade strapped to it which then explodes shattering the cockpit glass

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          How do you know how fast they're going, how heavy they are, or how sharp the heads are? those figures are arbitrary considering they're all determined by dumb space magic materials.

          At 90mps(201mph), a 800 gram arrow (average javelin size) would have 3240 Joules of KE on impact. That's about twice that of most 5.56 rounds and getting close to what .308 can impart.
          Obviously a (bone?) arrowhead will have different penetration versus lead, but I can still see it being quite harmful to plexiglass at those speeds.

          >Using energy to determine armor penetration
          >Using Joules
          Oh so you're one of those idiots from sci fi forums who doesn't know anything about terminal Ballistics.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Your militech is unprepared to deal with an unforseen threat in an unforseen situation
        ok

        >You come back 10 years later fully expecting war
        >Spend all your R&D money on crab robots instead of arrow hardening any of your vehicles
        why

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          IDK man I remember the first dumb movie very well, I cant help it, but I'm not dumb enough to go to movies anymore so I have no idea what happens in the sequel or why.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Keep in mind it takes them five years to get to Earth and back. Since Avatar 2 takes place about 12-13 years after the original, they most likely only had one or two years to prepare a new invasion.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            And in that time they invented crab robots, torpedo submarines, the pandora airboat, entirely new exoskeletons, navi sized operator sunglasses, and ultraheavy lift colony lander rockets,
            but they couldn't add thicker glass or camera + screens to their primary war vehicle?

            It can't be cheaper to just keep pumping out shitty basic helicopters like cannon fodder.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Send out a relay, only takes 4 years to get the message.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Because crab robots are fucking cool.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Its a private company, Democrats in 2150 declared no one needs 10 inch thick asssult glass so they banned them from being 3d printed.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wagner failing to capture salt mines again.

      >Not just infantry rifles, fucking bows and arrows can pierce the cockpits.
      Its a trope has been since rambo did it with a bow and arrow

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >not deploying a bunch of mini satellites in orbit that fire kinetic rods, conventional explosives, and/or nukes

    DROPPED

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hueys could definitely be brought down by heavy enough rifle fire. And these days if you leave the doors open, a lucky shot or ricochet can still fuck up a pilot.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    they outsourced those ships to russians

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Something everyone always misses (because they don't clearly explain it in the movie and only in the expanded lore) is that the RDA is a private company and all the "military" you see in the movie are basically ex military mall cops who aren't really intended to genocide the natives. They're also bound by contract and treaty with the Earth government to not be allowed to have any actual military grade weaponry or vehicles. This is a minor plot point in the 1st movie where they have to jury rig a bomber out of a shuttle and and some pallets.

    It's still stupid though because in the 1st movie there's a scene where they shoot Quattrich in his gunship and the arrows bounce off but then for the rest of the movie that ability is gone for some reason.

    Also neat side bit but apparently the actual military grade exosuits don't have arms and are all guns and armor.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      well I for one am glad we didn't get a throwaway line or scene explaining that in words or visuals, and instead got the generic marine reading the pocahontas script into a videolog

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Honestly thinking back to when I saw it when it came out I always got cheap private security vibes from the rag tag band of rednecks in the briefing.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      All those scientist working on navi anatomy and nobody could come up with a blue monkey smallpox baka

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I like the movie's child characters, but the action scenes began at kino and then became cringe in the final battle. Imagine constantly taking someone hostage and still doing nothing when all your men are being wiped out. At some point, there's got to be consequences to Sully's choices. All that really happened is that he's one son less and it wasnt even a son that anyone cared about

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >mini g company cheaps out on blue moron deterrents
    Well yeah.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I assume its some sort of effect of whatever materials the arrows and bows are made of, as well as their size and the size of the monke. Arrows are also an ideal shape for penetrating. Modern bulletproof glass in a YAH-64 is supposedly resistant to up to 12.7mm ammunition (no word on if that includes AP), im sure these helis arent any worse armoured than that, so those arrows must be hitting with similar-greater force.

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