What is the reality of different SOF units?

The navy seals are seen as the epitome of special operations. They are basically jr delta force in what they seem to focus on. While they come from a primary mission focus of water special operations, they also are a fully operational land unit.

Army rangers are seen as elite infantry. They specialize in direct action and raids. But many people in the rangers say they do just as much commando stuff as seals do.

Green berets are focused on unconventional warfare. Not very glamorous. Teaching third world farmers and sheep herders how to shoot and do jumping jacks. But also they are said to do just as much cool operator stuff as seals.

Delta is the tier one unit. Focuses on CT and hostage rescue. Primary focus on missions involving CQB. Seen as the elite of SOF. But then it seems that they are also tasked with things like UW. So they seem to do much more than things primarily about CQB.

Devgru is basically deltas but with a water operational capacity. So they do the ops delta would not be able to do, like getting on an oil rig or raiding a boat in the ocean. Many though say devgru is a less competent version of delta.

Based on this if you wanted to join the military and do special operations, it would make the most sense to have seals as your number one pick. As they do the more commando style missions that people find cool from movies and video games. Rangers still see action but they are more of a raid sized group. And army special forces sound cool at a glance but when you realize they prioritize unconventional warfare, they lose their cool factor. And as a deal you still can just move into devgru as a tier one mission unit, and also you could try out for delta as it is open to anyone in the military. So you have more options than someone who’s not a seal.

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Rangers is the fastest pipeline to socom and no water, pretty sure anyone can get into delta if they are good enough. You will have tons of schoolhouse opportunities in socom compared to conventional military.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ya but if you go that route everyone will know you took the easy route. Everyone who wants to do special operations would see seals as the best way to go about that. So anyone who joins rangers or army sf are seen as those who wouldn’t be able to make it thru buds. Even if something happens where rangers or sf have to save seals from some fuckup on the seals part, it’s never embarrassing or seen as the seals are inferior, beuse those rangers and sf only joined those units becuase they wouldn’t be able to handle buds

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Low quality B8, also

        You must be 18 to post here

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It’s not bait tho. It might seem like it, but it’s true. Rasp, rip or whatever they call it these days is a joke compared to buds. Plenty of delta guys probably would have rung the bell. Delta selection is pretty much nothing too. It’s literally just a hike.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            i believe you

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            lmao, I remember you. You are the same fatso who said that every service member should be able to deadlift 315 pounds and do 20 straight hang pull ups.
            You should take your medication for your psychosis.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Nta but I don’t think a lmao3pl8 deadlift and twenty straight pull ups is an unreasonable fitness standard for combat arms.
              Figure an adult human male weighs about 200 pounds and they have about 100 pounds worth of shit, so if something happens and you need to drag them to cover, you better be able to pull that 300 pounds
              PrepHole used to consider anybody that pulls less than 4pl8s to be weak. And it’s easily attainable within about a year if you put any amount of effort into strength training

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                that's a lot of pullups

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What do you say to 5 weighted pull ups, with a perfect score being an extra 100 pounds? See

                Sure. Any individual test would be a shit metric if it weren’t for other things being measured.
                >So you can do 5 pull ups at your 200 pound weight… in gym clothes.
                Can you climb walls in your kit? Can you pull your own weight onto a moving boat if that’s the kind of thing your unit does?
                >So the 100 pound twink can do 20 pull ups.
                Can they carry the SAW gunner back to cover if they take a hit?
                >fatso can pull 5pl8s because he’s built like a powershitter
                Can he fire and maneuver? Is he going to be gassed out by the time you even make contact?
                But if you have somebody who can actually run, lift, pull their weight and then some, they’re probably going to be better off

                and my original for why it’s important to be able to pull your body weight and the weight of your kit

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Lou Ferrigno never did weighted pullups, preferring to push ROM over weight. PF standards are, ultimately, just there to weed out the lowest of the low who are beneath the level that basic training is intended to elevate raw recruits from.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                IFBB pros have different fitness needs than pipe hitters do though.
                >preferring to push ROM over weight
                Yes I was thinking only full ROM would count regardless if it’s 20 unweighted or 5 weighted, but once you go from a dead hang to chest touching the bar, there isn’t much room to increase ROM for a pull up. Plus idk if it was you or a different anon who was complaining that 20 is a lot of pull ups, so I proposed weighted as an alternative

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                no offense but I think pullups are a shit metric. when you weigh 100 pounds and do like 20 pullups and I weigh like 200 pounds and do five, who's stronger?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sure. Any individual test would be a shit metric if it weren’t for other things being measured.
                >So you can do 5 pull ups at your 200 pound weight… in gym clothes.
                Can you climb walls in your kit? Can you pull your own weight onto a moving boat if that’s the kind of thing your unit does?
                >So the 100 pound twink can do 20 pull ups.
                Can they carry the SAW gunner back to cover if they take a hit?
                >fatso can pull 5pl8s because he’s built like a powershitter
                Can he fire and maneuver? Is he going to be gassed out by the time you even make contact?
                But if you have somebody who can actually run, lift, pull their weight and then some, they’re probably going to be better off

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >casually removes 99+% of humanity from pool of combat arms recruits

                Not a single soul on /k/ has any experience managing anything larger than a McDonalds and it shows

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It’s not bait tho. It might seem like it, but it’s true. Rasp, rip or whatever they call it these days is a joke compared to buds. Plenty of delta guys probably would have rung the bell. Delta selection is pretty much nothing too. It’s literally just a hike.

        Damn you're right, then whats holding you back man? Its the easy route to socom right?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This person was never a serving member of the United States armed forces. Not for a single day was this person active duty, reserve, nor guard. They have exactly zero military experience.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He must be at least above average in intelligence abs moral character if he didn’t join the military

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You can literally start BUDS as a E-1, nobody else is doing that

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Rangers no water

      They do have swim tests. RASP and Ranger school.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yea but they're not doing bottom samples and under water swimming getting drowned

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          One of the Ranger battalions specializes in water infiltration. I'm sure they do all that stuff.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      "pretty sure anyone can get into delta if they are good enough"
      Sure thing Hoss, if you're in the top 1% of the top 10% in the military. Easy peasy.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >if you're in the top 1% of the top 10% in the military.

        I was listening to a interview with Delta guy. He said they have a wall with all graduates on it. There were pictures where only 1 or 2 guys passed a class.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          And no one passing is not unheard of. The guys I know who tried out (and failed) said you have to be self motivated. if you ask a bunch of questions while in the course the standard response is
          " You'll be told what you need to know, when you need to know it, take all instructions from the board" It would drive some guys crazy not knowing everything.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >And no one passing is not unheard of.

            Where did you hear that?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You like sniffing your own shit anon?? Because you're full of it

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > pretty sure anyone can get into delta if they are good enough
      this is true. one of my batallion's company commanders broke the 18 mile ruck record when he went to delta selection. he had no prior socom experience. just one of those 6'6 officers that run a half marathon every weekend.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You must be 18 to post here

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    lol, there is a thread with the Red Wings photo like three times a month.

    My good bro, SEALs are all caps, DEVGRU are all caps since they are acronyms.

    Also fuck ya mudda poser

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      gay unfunny forced meme homosexual

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I dont speak zoomer what the fuck are you saying?

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >But many people in the rangers say they do just as much commando stuff as seals do.

    What commando stuff?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Stuff you’d see in SOCOM navy seals games.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Can you give some real life examples?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Like when a seal team went into North Africa behind enemy lines to stop the North African Patriotic Front, and captured General Heydar Mahmood.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > What commando stuff?
      Dying for Israel

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    As someone who is actually in the military and has been my entire adult life. How hard or elite a unit is shouldnt matter to you when deciding on what to join.
    It's about what mission statement you want to support.

    But if you really want to be for real, decide which branch is for you first, then what SOF opportunities are available. You'll be much happier that way.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Basically what he's saying is join any branch but the marines. Unless you are literally worthless.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Actually the Marine Raiders aren't a bad bunch when they're not killing SF guys.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ok so what unit should you try out for if you want to be beaten down every day like a slave, have no sex life at all, and then be sent on suicide missions for Israel?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Saw 5 women in a year and a half period
        >You have a pretty even mix of autists, nerds, and retards but guess which one gets to play leader
        >I got in minor trouble when I finally snapped on an NCO who decided we definitely didn't know that:
        "ADA ALWAYS DIES FIRST DOGGONIT, YOU GOT SUPER SECRET CHINA MEN TRACKING YOUR RF AT ALL TIMES AND NO ONE HERE CAN READ A MAP OR DO WEAPONS MAINTENANCE, OR RUN 17 MILES OR PRACTICE NOISE DISCIPLINE."
        Every fucking day.
        I prayed for death so I wouldn't have to hear the same canned speech about why you shouldn't let fucking officers lead fake combat arms through war zones.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        VDV would probably be a good start

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Venereal Disease Vaccination?

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >it's another "I can not tell you how to fill out a range card but I want to talk about the minutiae of SOF" thread
    >immediately devolved into no u level posting

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Can you really say those guys are the absolute elite of the elite when all they did was raids on some rice farmers or goat herders.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Like "Good job boys, you ventilated Mohammad and his 3 brothers after breaching their hut at 3AM and did reconnaisance 48 hours in advance."
      Anyone with a gun could do that

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Well goat herders can be pretty tough without years of dedicated cqb experienced. Look at operation red wings.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I love how even when they are going in against their world peasants living barely with electricity, and they have with nvgs, drones and suppressed weapons, they still fuck up like how they did with the raid on osama where the helicopter went down.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, it feels like they get their shit wrecked constantly.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It’s funny how American laugh at Russians not being able to beat Ukraine when america can’t beat countries like Vietnam or Afghanistan.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              a lot harder to fight across the globe than your neighbor

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                America is an empire. They have bases all over. Not the same at all.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                small bases spread out everywhere which means logistics is harder.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                In completely friendly countries where there is no danger sending resources to.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              they did beat the NVA/VC, they just up and left in 1973
              You're a massive homosexual

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The Americans occupied the entirety of Afghanistan and sat on them doing police action shit for twenty fucking years.

              Russia tried to do the same and for a police unit ventilated in the Kyiv outskirts for their trouble. They're further away from total occupation than they were at the start of this shitshow.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >they still fuck up like how they did with the raid on osama where the helicopter went down.
          >they still fuck up
          >they
          I wasn't aware SEALs piloted helicopters.
          Don't get me wrong there's plenty to mock SEALs over, but you choosing that is like mocking Delta for Eagle Claw failing when it was a pilot fuck up.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Navy SEALs
    Arguably the only tier 2 SOF unit that is geared towards the old school commando idea of special forces being purely just an infiltrating, sabotage/raiding force to attrite enemy forces.
    >Rangers
    The modern Ranger regiment is geared for high profile or critical missions that still require large forces to complete, such as airfield seizures. Used to be decentralized with a battalion per division/corps, probably should have something like that now but whatever.
    >Green Berets
    Proper guerrilla warfare in the sense of raising and commanding local fighters to wage said guerrilla war. Think Dogs of War but with way more money and assets.
    >Delta
    American counter-terror SAS like unit
    >Devgru
    American counter-terror SAS like unit with a tinge of death squad added to it

    Most modern US SOF forces have been rendered retarded like most of the US warfighting capabilities since the GWOT. Most of them are just highly paid SWAT forces for direct action room clearing where most targets have no idea that they're coming and have zero defenses. Will be interesting to see if the US gets in a war against a somewhat competent foe how great the attrition rates will be among these units as they will try and fail to get away with the same shenanigans they did back in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The concept of counter terror seems elusive. What even does this mean? Being an international seat force capable of subduing enemies and rescuing hostages? How is counter terrorism different from the normal navy seal commando role

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        When you can afford to have an entire seal platoon get wiped and be able to sweep it under the rug, you send in the seals. When that shit will become an international event for weeks, you send in tier 1.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Anon you unironically have zero fucking clue what you're talking about, the fact that you describe SOF as all just DA missions speaks volumes

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It shows how stupid you are seeing as how you missed the GWOT part in the post. Quite literally over 90% of the missions given across SOF in iraq and Afghanistan was DA. You're a fucking moron if you think otherwise.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >in iraq and Afghanistan was DA
          Yeah sure anon, but they weren't only in Iraq and Afghanistan for the GWOT. Missions and training were still being run elsewhere, the entire time. My unit spent WAY more time in South America during the GWOT than we did in Iraq or Afghanistan.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What does a regular, non DEVGRU, just run of the mil SEAL platoon even do anyway?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I read a bunch of seal books in the past. Seemed during Afghanistan and Iraq they just did stuff marines would do. But when they were created in Vietnam they were meant to go behind enemy lines to sabotage an get intel on the enemy. Like traditional commando stuff

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        In Iraq and Afghanistan they were hunting HVTs.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Will be interesting to see if the US gets in a war against a somewhat competent foe how great the attrition rates will be among these units as they will try and fail to get away with the same shenanigans they did back in Iraq and Afghanistan.

      If we move the goalposts a bit and just extend that to Western fighters, do you think we got a taste of that on October 7th? Israeli special forces Shaldag Unit got wrecked at Be'eri, decimated almost immediately and unable to carry out mission.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Everyone always forgets how much of a crutch IDF and air support was for the US in GWOT. Infantry TTPs are infantry TTPs, it doesn't matter if your an infantryman serving in the most powerful military on the planet or you're just a small group of insurgents. The Israelis found that out the hard way.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      All of those are barely qualified as basic Marine infantrymen.
      You want real SOF then you talk about MARSOC.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Varsity

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    don't the majority of people who want to be seals wash out and end up with the shittiest jobs in the navy like swabbing the poop deck and scraping barnacles

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >impermissive environments
    >door knockers
    >deep reconnaissance & raids
    >liaising with friendlies in hostile areas and training/organizing them for asymmetric warfare and intelligence gathering

    Mix of the above

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No mention of cost controllers or tacp

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    OP has never worn a uniform. "Cool," "not glamorous", These are COD warrior words.
    Turn off the laptop and go outside.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Believe it or not, the Coast Guard has a tier 1 group. MSRT who do some wazoo shit.
    Also "Grey Fox" aka the Army of Northern Va. You won't find much on them cause they're spooks.
    And maybe not the coolest for you armchair warriors, but THE hardest military school is the Para Rescue course bar none.
    Not door kickers, but the guys at 160th SOAR are in a league of their own.
    I've trained with all of them.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Gray Fox, are they also known as "the activity"?

      Can you speak to what this unit does? Is it cyber shit or humint?

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    will make a little detour but stick with me

    so there's this legendary russian fitness dude who argues that back in the day the soviet military used to have 'hollywood' units or demostration teams rather that were speficially meant to bamboozle nosy politicians. like jumping through burning hoops, breaking bricks, and doing hatchet throws during backflips. they knew it was bullshit but the politicians felt like they got their money's worth. that way the actual eltie units could do their bread and butter training without being bothered despite it not being that flashy. like shooting drills and so on rather than backflipping ninjas.

    tldr. I think the same thing is going on in america but in a more multi-layered approach. there's still clueless politicians who want to see green guys slowly rising out of the waterline looking hardcore and all that, but then that same cowadudy spartan shit is also used as a propaganda and recruiting tool. so it's not just about misdirection and shifting the spotlight to benefit other units, but also about soaking up cowboys and tryhards who are attracted by the image. even if they flunk out I think they still get trapped into long infantry contracts and might end up in some airborne unit or whatever. if they do make it despite the odds, also good.

    so with SEALs you got bunch of those dudes, who might be great and all, but then you keep filtering and eventually you end up with the kind of guys who end up in DEVGRU I suppose. Very competent but also a thing a politician could say in order to sound cool during a seemingly important event. like them saying, we weighed all options and we're sending in SEAL TEAM SIX dun dun dun. sound better than saying we're sending gary and the wastewater refrigeration posse, even if the guys are tip top operators.

    either way, then those SEALs eventually retire and I suppose they might get encouraged write books and some rodeo rider feels intrigued. the circle of life continues.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm no expert or anything obviously, but it's kinda what I've figured over the years. imo the reality of things tends to be underwhelming and I reckon even SEALs just cook with water. a day only has so many hours and it seems kinda difficult to be like an expert martial artist, an expert marksman, bushcraft master, a hacker, and so on and so on.

      I guess knowing your limitations is a skill too. remember reading stories about SEALs scaling afghan mountains in their converse boat shoes and 10th mountain guys or such thinking they were retarded. then some dude broke his ankle I believe and it let to some clusterfuck.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah I'll add something to that. SF has changed a lot over the years. It used to be that guys would develop a lot of tradecraft and operational doctrine at a low level. That went out the window sometime after Vietnam, and definitely after Eagle Claw and SOCOM got created. SOCOM is almost like a whole other branch of the military, and they get large discretionary power in classifying stuff. So it's all bureaucratized, and national security is an excuse to avoid scrutiny on anything and everything. This leads not only to corruption, but a lot of the autonomy that would make work in SF worthwhile and fulfilling. The teams are usually just handed orders to raid such and such compound in the sandbox and grab Mohammad Bin Habibi because supposedly he some super important terrorist. In reality he's just some mundane raghead, and one of the higher ups in the bureaucracy made up this stupid mission to expend budgets and justify more budget and more power. Not to mention to steer contracts for certain things to his defense industry buddies. And of course there is little chance of anyone ever exposing it because it's all classified. As for being a low level grunt it such a system, it would be terrible and you wouldn't be able to develop tactics or do any mission planning, just do exactly what you're told from unseen higher ups. And I mean that's probably the case for everyone, including the officers leading the platoons etc. What I mean is it's all micromanaged, so what is the point of even being SF at that point? Not to mention, they view you as a liability after they're done using you, so they for damn sure will wear you into a nub for no reason, and you'll be an old ass man by the time you retire. That is if you are lucky. They routinely send SF on suicide missions like Redwings and Extortion 17. I bet they even keep tight tabs on guys that retire and then frame them or straight up murder them too (Chris Kyle style).

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        continued. Did you ever notice when they talk about SOCOM being created, they always say "as a response to what happened in Operation Eagle Claw"? Notice their words very carefully. They never say "to prevent 'disasters' or 'failures'" like Eagle Claw. No. Always "in response to". What they mean is SOCOM wasn't created "to make the various units communicate and work with each other" or some shit that people say. No, it was restructured so they can escape scrutiny WHEN they fuck up. It was created to save all these military bureaucrats careers, so their fuck ups NEVER see scrutiny. Not only to the public, but to congress and even the pentagon who are supposed to hold them accountable. So now when they fuck up, they can paper over everything with "classified" LOL. I bet the causality rates in Tier 1 operations routinely exceed 50%. And for what? The guys are sent on pointless missions chasing mundane ragheads so the higher brass can make a huge profit and great career prospects. So when these "operators" always brag about the "sacrifices" they made, remind them that their "sacrifices" were for some hidden military brass's CAREERS, not their "country", etc. LOL

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah I'll add something to that. SF has changed a lot over the years. It used to be that guys would develop a lot of tradecraft and operational doctrine at a low level. That went out the window sometime after Vietnam, and definitely after Eagle Claw and SOCOM got created. SOCOM is almost like a whole other branch of the military, and they get large discretionary power in classifying stuff. So it's all bureaucratized, and national security is an excuse to avoid scrutiny on anything and everything. This leads not only to corruption, but a lot of the autonomy that would make work in SF worthwhile and fulfilling. The teams are usually just handed orders to raid such and such compound in the sandbox and grab Mohammad Bin Habibi because supposedly he some super important terrorist. In reality he's just some mundane raghead, and one of the higher ups in the bureaucracy made up this stupid mission to expend budgets and justify more budget and more power. Not to mention to steer contracts for certain things to his defense industry buddies. And of course there is little chance of anyone ever exposing it because it's all classified. As for being a low level grunt it such a system, it would be terrible and you wouldn't be able to develop tactics or do any mission planning, just do exactly what you're told from unseen higher ups. And I mean that's probably the case for everyone, including the officers leading the platoons etc. What I mean is it's all micromanaged, so what is the point of even being SF at that point? Not to mention, they view you as a liability after they're done using you, so they for damn sure will wear you into a nub for no reason, and you'll be an old ass man by the time you retire. That is if you are lucky. They routinely send SF on suicide missions like Redwings and Extortion 17. I bet they even keep tight tabs on guys that retire and then frame them or straight up murder them too (Chris Kyle style).

          You’re retarded, most dunning-kruger post I’ve read all year

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            gayest ad hominem I've heard in my entire life. Sorry you don't have the reading comprehension to understand even 10% of what I wrote

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              If you think that Seal Delivery Vehicle Team 1 was sent on a suicide mission then you’re a fucking moron. Those dumb fucks got themselves killed. Everything in your post comes across as someone with zero firsthand and little, if any, second hand experience with the topic.

              Just the fact that you misuse the term “SF” gives me the right to tell you to have a nice day after subjecting us all to that incomprehensible, 7th-grade reading level, wall of bullshit. Please suck start a shotgun and never post on /k/ again. I sincerely hope you’re just acting retarded.

              https://i.imgur.com/Lgsfmpa.jpg

              Face it, a light infantry force is just that - a light infantry force. Now you might be impressed when they use and JTAC to call down a bunch of JDAMS on a haji wedding or something, and go all googoo gaga because a team of 10 guys wiped out 1000 average 80 iq shitskins who were minding their own business. You're the type of xbox COD dork that thinks magical mall ninjas got a 10:1 "kill ratio" because they're all 10 foot tall and bulletproof. Grow the fuck up.

              The US has used minuscule teams of those “10 foot tall and bulletproof” guys to great effect in toppling the governments of enemy countries. They serve an incredibly valuable niche in COIN and LSCO. Read a book nagger.
              >”b-b-but they die! they’re not invincible so that means they’re useless!”

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's a very longwinded way of saying "momy took away my xbox so im turning to /k/ to troll becuz im bored"

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                ah so ad hominem won't work, so you turn to appeal to authroity. Keep trying, maybe someday you'll make a valid argument on something, somewhere.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                AHAHAHA!! Those are some ELITE Goblinas! LOOK OUT PUTIN, HERE THEY COME!

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Face it, a light infantry force is just that - a light infantry force. Now you might be impressed when they use and JTAC to call down a bunch of JDAMS on a haji wedding or something, and go all googoo gaga because a team of 10 guys wiped out 1000 average 80 iq shitskins who were minding their own business. You're the type of xbox COD dork that thinks magical mall ninjas got a 10:1 "kill ratio" because they're all 10 foot tall and bulletproof. Grow the fuck up.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          meds, now

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Hi Shlomo! see

            gayest ad hominem I've heard in my entire life. Sorry you don't have the reading comprehension to understand even 10% of what I wrote

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          this might be a weird thought but maybe one could consider SOCOM kind of like a guild or a union that's trying to leverage its interests, which might not always align with the national interest.

          generally speaking I think america having dozens of intelligence services is a bit much and just adding more layers to the hierarchy won't fix the issue. that said communication IS important but then I think there's a risk of growing runaway bureaucracies acting like an end to itself. well rather than considering itself a tool with a purpose acting in the common interest of the american public.

          feels like there's a tendency to just throw money at problems or letting problems escalate just in order to justify one's own existence and shine a little while doing it. no glory in prevention or such.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I think when you see multiple agencies with similar responsibilities, part of it may be planned redundancy. We've already seen how utterly corrupt and untrustworthy some of these bureaucracies can be at times (I'm being generous). While I'm sure that's tolerated by the higher ups, at some point it becomes critical in those bureaucracies maintaining some bare minimum competency. Instead of going through and doing purges or reforms, they just create another bureaucracy to compete with it. That's how we eventually end up with not only an FBI, but a DEA, BATFE (or whatever they call it now), Secret Service (FINCEN i'm talking about), etc etc. So when the rubber meets the road on something really critical, ONE of them can be relied upon to get it done. That's a very simplistic example because it's just an example off the top of my head. But you get the point, it's redundancy to ensure some bare level of functionality. There's always a budget for this sort of thing because the doctrine of our central bank is "expand or die". It's not like people think "oh we just let the budget get out of control again, darn". Like nah. It's structurally built to be ever expanding or it will collapse financialy. But this is a deep topic and I'm rambling

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              check em

              planned redundancy sounds like an interesting argument. didn't think about it that way.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the cult of special forces is a suicide pact to make sure you lose wars.

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the united states hasn't won a war since ww2. get over your homosexual toxic masculinity spec ops mall ninja worship

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > Neverserved Nonce

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Which is why there's only one Korea and Vietnam doesn't make all my shirts.

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Your takes are not accurate.
    cag is direct action asset recovery and assassins for the US Gov.
    SEALS are full spectrum soldiers
    seals are not like cag, they have different mission and culture. Seals have way more brevado and ego than cag. Totally different character. There is no one better as weapons operators than cag.
    Rangers are elite infantry specializing in shock raids and area seizures. Rangers also have a lot of LRRP assets, snipers, pathfinders etc.
    SF is a mission role of training indigenous guerilla forces and conventional armies.
    None of them are comparable, none of them have same culture.
    The GWOT really thrust every MOS in all branches into using their skill sets towards incorrect missions, ie. everyone acted as pseudo infantry. I suppose this causes confusion for civilians because they simply dont see what they are doing and what they are like day to day, they only see all these forces in a post gwot lens.

    Of all the pipelines, SEALs and SF are the longest and most physically difficult. They are hard so they drop weak applicants. It is attrition screening. The ability to make it through the screening is ultimately the character they are looking for. CAG is totally different, they select people for missions that are big long missions like theater level general emplacement, then when everything is set they are rotating squadrons.on that mission set.

    Categorizing them as CQB this, water operations that is nonsense. Yes seals will be in water more, but its not the way to look at it. Look at it as their mission sets. CAG is the unit that basically develops all CQB doctrine which then spills out into special operations of all branches , and then disseminates down into regular military doctrine. Its a constant ebb and flow. But all of these units have their own specialties that are in-house and not replicated by the other braches

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >everyone acted as pseudo infantry
      The only change I would make to your post is an addition to this line. SOF acted, frequently, as pseudo-infantry WHILE IN THE THEATER OF OPERATIONS DURING THE GWOT. This did not take away from their other missions outside of Iraq/Afghanistan/Congo/etc., they simply did this in addition to their other jobs.

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Also, you shouldnt be sucking sof dick. The USA is completely fucked up. The military is completely fucked up. Anyone joining the military right now with enthusiasm is a useful idiot. There isnt anything admirable about serving the king george post constitutional militaries that are being filled with immigrant aliens because the domestic population doesnt want to support the direction of the state. This is all stuff thats happened many times in history. You are on the tail end of a dying empire, just like rome. First they bring in foreigners to staff military, as frustrations grow, then the militaries are turned against the domestic population as the empire goes through it's death throws. I was in the GWOT, I was fooled. But I can tell you that none of my bloodline will serve ZOG for at least the next two generations. I teach my sons about all of this and train them to be absolute killers because sometime soon they will have to fight and kill all these homosexual traitorous israelite dick suckers that stole away the US gov from its citizens. Dont join the fucking military. You should be training to be a highly effective bushwacker. You should make special operations blush with your creativity, determination and will to absolute violence and destruction.Military is gay. military is non-americans

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So I guess submitting a packet to Marine and Space Force OCS is not a good idea?

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