What is the rationale behind survivalism/prepping? If there is a total global collapse of industrial society its gonna be such a nightmarish, dystopic Cormac McCarthy novel that life won't be worth living. I would just shoot myself, I won't want to be alive so I saved myself a bunch of money on iodine tablets and beans.
Like the whole "zombie apocalypse", fiction, it's just nutjobs fantasizing about shooting their neighbors.
You're both freaks with major personality faults I bet. The data is clear most people hate their 9 to 5 and feel that their lives have no purpose. This is reflected in the suicide rate, overdose rate and drug addiction rate. Most normies fantasise about killing themselves, not shooting their neighbours so don't be paranoid. They idolise guys like McCandless for a reason they want to feel something. If industrial society collapsed it would bring back communities, although you schizos believe that people wish to run around killing each other, most people want to engage with their communities, provide help see their work and feel a sense of pride as a group. In today's age we don't even need each other. I work from home now so I never have to leave my house just as an example. I never have to engage with my community people could be getting stabbed in my street and I wouldn't know them or hear about it.
If you take people from a purposeless life and they're put in a situation where they must fend for themselves, regardless of how horrific the conditions are, most people revert to following their evolutionary behaviours and stop being depressed/suicidal and do their best to survive. People who say they would kill themselves during these kind of events are completely dependant on the unsustainable luxuries of this century and they will need to be killed if we are to become an ecologically aware and sustainable species.
Hits way too close.
>personality faults
You're deflecting, my assertions struck at a vulnerability of yours, mainly the fact that you're a lala land prepper nutjob, so you're getting me back, wow, you sure showed me
>hate their 9 to 5's and feel like they lack purpose
Everyone hates their life and feels aimless, congrats you have the intellect of a bright seventh grader, doesn't mean they would be happier not having food to eat
>killing neighbors
This would happen if the supply chains collapsed which is, ya know, the scenario I am describing
>idolize mccandless
Tumblr girls and boys idolize him
>most people want to engage with their communities
Sure, if they aren't starving to death
>last paragraph, basically saying everyone would be happier if there was a realistic chance they might not survive the next month
Yeah, no lol, you have no idea, you're saying hurr durr muh anprim mofugga bix nood. No,industrial society is not the problem, dying of diseases from a century ago, teeth rotting out from scurvy, having to wonder if everyone you encounter will kill you in your sleep just to survive, that would definitely be a problem. Did you type this sitting on a big bin of freeze dried pasta in your basement?
>Did you type this sitting on a big bin of freeze dried pasta in your basement?
Picrel that's me pulling my 4x4 back up off the edge of a cliff face and digging out the mud tracks.
If you bought a Toyota you could've just driven through it gayged
Also unless you've got a tirfor on the other end of that snatchy (or winch extension) then you're just getting someone else to snatch you out anyway (probably a Toyota)
that's not a road how did it end up there
I always laugh when American and much of European mutts think they are going to be safe when industrial society collapses. They think their preservations will matter. I'm not sure if they underestimate the power of the elites, or think they'll be shown mercy.
Let me be clear. You're not going to have a hatchback when society collapses. Tanks will be roaming city to city killing civilians with military-grade weapons while the elites watch from their bunkers popcorn in hand. Your only hope is if you're living in a remote subarctic area with a population density of northern Russia or in low-populated area within a third-world shithole. Everywhere else will go to shit. All of Europe, most of North America and SEA. You won't stand a chance.
>Everyone hates their life and feels aimless
No, it's just you and people like you.
About the last paragraph, he actually has a point. The book Tribe by Sebastian Junger is awesome and explains this among other things.
>People who say they would kill themselves during these kind of events are completely dependant on the unsustainable luxuries of this century and they will need to be killed if we are to become an ecologically aware and sustainable species.
This whole post was funny, but I really got a kick out of this last bit. you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. People know what it is like to live with modern medicine, air conditioned homes, vehicular transport, etc. Eventually, people would just rebuild society right back to where it was before the apocalypse. They would never voluntarily choose to remain as primitives. That's the way it's been ever since we crawled out of that ocean millions of years ago.
>This whole post was funny, but I really got a kick out of this last bit. you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube
Prove it. If you're right there should be evidence right? Like super rich people who become poor should kill themselves or there should be some proof of what you've said found somewhere in our society.
What? Barely anything you said makes sense, expect for
>Like super rich people who become poor should kill themselves or there should be some proof of what you've said found somewhere in our society.
Sadly many frequently do, and not just rich people, when they suddenly find themselves enduring financial or social hardship.
The evidence is against you. People want to escape, which is why so many kill themselves and use drugs. You seen the video of the 14 year old girls smoking meth in a big circle? Modern society is very fulfilling.
Yeah, drug abuse is a big problem, and there are many reasons for why people do it. Somehow, you see this problem and make the jump from:
>People use drugs because they are depressed
to
>People would be happier if they were struggling to survive every day with almost no comfort
Magical thinking. If anything, people would use drugs even more often.
Your entire way of thinking is wrong. Suffering is a requirement to live a happy and fulfilling life. Modern society does everything it can to reduce suffering, resulting in a population which has lost all faith and worships pleasure. The idea that you have presented, that once the tooth paste is out it can't come back, is completely false and I would guess is you projecting your own beliefs onto others.
You don't even have a basic understanding of the human condition within our current system. You don't talk to many people irl huh.
I do agree that people are too coddled today, and that some hardship is necessary for people to grow. That's not the same as suffering every single day with no hope of things ever getting better. That's a ridiculous way of living. Our ancestors pushed forward and strived for more for a reason. It's in our nature to want to improve ourselves and our living circumstances.
>You don't talk to many people irl
Projection much? Sounds to me like you hate your life, therefore you think everyone else must feel the same.
>Projection much? Sounds to me like you hate your life, therefore you think everyone else must feel the same.
I'm this anon
You haven't even began to convince me of your perspective and it's pretty obvious you're only trying to convince yourself bro.
I have absolutely no doubts about my beliefs. I love the outdoors, but that doesn't mean I have to be some anarcho-primitivist/eco-fascist dweeb.
>accepting the data that most people are unfulfilled by modern society means you're x politically
Oh now your arguments make sense. You weren't arguing the data, you were attempting to shit on people who you assume hold different political views to yourself.
Try /misc/ you're on PrepHole
I have never argued that we don't have a problem with depression in the developed World. I just dispute the idea that it would be magically solved by turning everyone into cavemen (which is a very radical political idea, no matter how you cut it). And I was never trying to convince you of anything. Just thought I would interrupt the circle jerk.
I never said anything would be solved by turning people into Cavemen. I explained why people enjoy prepping and was dispelling the fantasy that all preppers want to kill their neighbours.
>I explained why people enjoy prepping and was dispelling the fantasy that all preppers want to kill their neighbours.
Ok, that's fair enough. It's hard to tell who is who on here.
And even if we did go full anprim, it would never last. There is a spark in every person that drives them to go beyond what they are, and that spark can never be extinguished in some people. Eventually, we would end up right back here. Arguing on a Nepalese kukri forum.
No we wouldn't. Industrial revolution would've been impossible without abundant and, most importantly, easily accessible non-renewable energy sources. And we used all those decades- if not over a century ago.
When we go down, we will stay down.
>"Lol dude, we won't find a way to re-industrialize! Everyone knows humans are the laziest and least-tenacious species around! We'll just accept our fate and die on this rock."
Also
>When we go down
>When
Pretty big presumption there.
You don't seem to understand that these days just accessing the resources needed to even maintain already existing heavy industry is completely dependent on the said heavy industry. The last time we industrialized, you could literally scrape coal out of ground with your bare hands and there were swamps and lakes of crude oil. And even then, it took 2,5 million years of non-industrial existence for our genus to industrialize. We won't find a way when there is none.
>we used all those decades- if not over a century ago.
NTA. The UK has massive un-tapped coal reserves because it is simply not profitable to mine coal in the age of oil and minimum wage laws.
Have you tried looking outside before you post? maybe building something? maybe solar power? maybe touching grass?
>Yeah bro, the way things are now is just a product of human nature and time!
>We would always end up here eventually!
>Modern society the way that it is now is just inevitable, it's totally not a contrived and micromanaged matrix hellscape ruled by bankers and machiavellian psychopaths who are abusing technology and mindfricking everyone through mass media!
>Just lay down and die, goy! No one can survive without netflix and hot cheetos, people were all just cavemen who ate their own children before industrialization came around!
Oy vey Rabbi Shmuley, demoralize much?
>you disagree with me, you do drug ahahahohoho
Great counterargument, you really sold your position
>Implying that ranting about da jooz is worthy of anything more than mockery
>t. israelite/israelite apologist
T. Schizoid
There isn't much to say. Ever since our ancestors crawled out of the ocean we have been striving to better ourselves and our living conditions. It's in our nature. The whole le joo banker illuminati raving just hurts an already flimsy argument
The israelite mentions were just icing on the cake really, what about the rest of what I said? Are you actually going to refute any of it or will you just reply with another clever image of a crack pipe?
>DA JOOZ ARE CRAAAAWLING INNNNN MAI SKIIIIINNNNNNNN
Do you pray or belong to a church?
>Your entire way of thinking is wrong. Suffering is a requirement to live a happy and fulfilling life.
So why don’t you just move to some 3rd world shithole and join the suffering, you sheltered larping b***h?
Lmao based reply
Any comeback to this?
Is that why everyone living in a third world country or an authoritarian shithole does everything in their power to try and escape to a better country?
Eating dog food is preferable to eating shit, but that doesn't mean that dog food is a good meal. It's the lesser of two evils.
it's not suffering, but challenge. suffering may be part of the challenge, part of facing the challenge, but it is not suffering alone that is needed.
people need a challenge they can overcome in order to be happy.
People in poverty have lower suicide rates than the middle class lmao
>once the tooth paste is out it can't come back
No matter how much you want to deny this, it's the truth. Most people will take comfort over hardship, whether you like it or not.
This. People feels so isolated from their work and life in industrilialized nations that the suicide rate is no mystery
>If you take people from a purposeless life and they're put in a situation where they must fend for themselves, regardless of how horrific the conditions are, most people revert to following their evolutionary behaviours and stop being depressed/suicidal and do their best to survive.
So would the majority of people prefer this, or would they prefer to simply remain as they are but be given a million dollars?
I rest my case.
probably just thinking they could buy purpose. We are so impoverished it takes money to buy back a life peasants used to have.
I have wanted to be a farmer and cabinet maker my whole life. I'm a damn CPA with a nurse wife and still can't afford the farm my impoverished great grandfather sold or a wood shop to change careers.
Murder is just an extroverted suicide.
Or suicide is just an introverted murder.
>although you schizos believe that people wish to run around killing each other
that's literally half of "prepping," people "bandit-proofing" their cabins and stockpiling weapons under the assumption that their community will collapse and start shooting & looting each other
Absolutely based.
The best preparation one can do for a potential collapse is learning how to live independently. If shit ever did hit the fan, your knowledge would allow you to head straight to the forest and still live, whereas useless people would do as they've always done which is rely on others, they'd raid shops and huddle in their towns & cities.
The chance that'll actually happen is probably slim, but it's still significant enough that it's worth picking up survival and outdoorsman skills for that reason alone. It could be a solar flare destroying nearly all the world's electronics, nuclear war taking out the superpowers and halting intl. trade, etc.
The pursuit of the outdoors not only gives mental health benefits and something fun to do, but also gradually the skills and tools to survive independently. Frick anyone who'd give up the second shit hits the fan.
>I would just shoot myself
Just like everyone else who've said this you'll be to much of a pussy to do it and end up being another leech begging for hand outs.
>most people want to engage with their communities
Pretty much, the SHTF idea that everyone will become raiders that'll take your stuff, creampie your girlfriend and leaving you dying in a ditch is schizos fantasy.
> t. Big Joe Mufferaw
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I'm not really reading below this post consisted of words of wisdom
Prepping definitely seems like a crypto power fantasy.
yeah nothing apocalyptic like that ever happens in reality, right anon?
>Couple days of morons panicking they won't be able to wipe shit off their asses
>Apocalyptic
The fact the bar is so low for what's considered an in apocalyptic event just shows how far modern society is from that occurring any time soon.
Smoothbrain take. A rebranded common cold/flu psyop has practically crippled the global economy and led to massive stagnation all over the planet. This civilization wouldn't survive a plague as devastating even as polio or the spanish flu, if anything it's more primed for total collapse now than at any point in the last 700 years.
Remember one everyone panicked and stocked up on gas?
>2020
>You'll all see! The TP shortage is here to say! Collapse is imminent
>fast forward a year, absolute nothing burger
>absolute nothing burger
Yeah... all the effects of covid and lockdowns are completely non-existent now....
There isn't a question about whether society will collapse at some point. It inevitably will. The questions are when and how.
Preppers are just people who see the risk of it happening in their own lifetime as being too high not to have a plan for dealing with it.
Honestly, they're probably right. Between catastrophic climate change and end-stage capitalism, fifty years feels like an optimistic target at this point.
mike shannon is really gud doin the crazy bit
Im scared of dying is all :^)
Prepping doesn't necessarily mean prepping for the end of the world.
I prep for shit like the fires that roll through my state every summer, the upcoming recession (or the slower but much worse economic decline that will occur if the government responds to it inappropriately), or, hell, just getting in bad car crash.
I'd agree with this. Efforts should go into the most likely scenario first. And for most of us, that usually means preparing for long term unemployment. Do you have an emergency fund? Have you paid off any high-interest debt? Do you have an income stream outside of your job? Do you know roughly how much you spend each month? Do you make regular efforts towards reducing that number?
Another important facet is just general health. Do you smoke? Drink heavily/regularly? Do you exercise regularly? What's your diet like? How's your stress level? Taking care of yourself is enormously underrated.
>Another important facet is just general health. Do you smoke? Drink heavily/regularly? Do you exercise regularly? What's your diet like? How's your stress level? Taking care of yourself is enormously underrated.
This. Also, if you have any outstanding physical problems (e.g. carpel tunnel, bad knee or shoulder, etc.) consider getting it fixed now. Any sort of physical ailment or disability will be a huge liability in a survival situation where you may not have access to advanced medical care for months.
This.
I deal with harsh winters and the occasional hurricane. If you're not prepared for stuff like that in your area you're an idiot.
Also prep for stuff like a recession or unexpected layoffs. Having food in the house is one less thing to stress about if money becomes tight.
These, since COVID I’ve gotten into prepping and I’ve just been prepping for price inflation basically. It’s saved me a fair amount.
In real life, I’ve been prepping by running my own farm business, so that in the event of an actual SHTF scenario I’m basically a god.
Prepping doesn't mean preparing for the end of the World. I personally prep for things like pandemics, wars (not WW III, but the possibility of my country being temporarily occupied by a hostile foreign power), civil unrest, and natural disasters.
> If there is a total global collapse of industrial society its gonna be such a nightmarish, dystopic Cormac McCarthy novel that life won't be worth living.
And who told you that? I tell you who told you that. The ones who run this Ponzi scam known as "Global industrial society." We don't need them. We never needed them. They need us. They're parasites that brainwash you to think otherwise.
The rationale is surviving.
Why ya dummies always gotta complicate things?
Who needs an ideology or philosophy to stay alive?
This. It’s the most basic instinct to avoid dying.
>i cant live without my netflix and starbucks! Abloo abloo abloo
You're one of those idiots that freeze to death in their car when a blizzard rolls through
I dont prep for the end of the world. I prep for the slow but sure decline of America into a third world nation where things like running water, 24/7 power, and well stocked store shelves are luxuries that wont always be there. That world is already here, been shopping lately? Priced a house or car?
Having a bunker and 87 guns with a million ammo is just SHTF mental masturbation. Keeping 6 months of food, water, and all other consumables like TP, soap and paper towels is just smart. Add in some solar panels and batteries and propane heaters and it can be comfy. Staying fit is just smart.
If the world really does end and western civilization collapses I'd work to rebuild society, and repopulate the planet with a harem of soccer mom milfs.
>into a third world nation where things like running water, 24/7 power, and well stocked store shelves are luxuries
You are already 2/3 of the way there !
The great majority of preppers aren't survivalists or snake eaters, they aren't marksmen, they have little to no access to anything beyond basic resources, their practical knowledge (of weather, terrain, navigation, trapping, hunting, fishing, mechanics, electrics, engines, anatomy, etc.) Is minimal to nonexistent, they've never been out on more than a dayhike or weekend excursion in developed territory, and their physical fitness ranges from laughable to adequate, with some rare cases making par.
Without quite realizing it, they are extremely dependent on some combination of electricity, gas, municipal water, shipping and courier services, and, of course, their vehicles.
As such, prepping disaster supplies and materiel for a week or two, or a month at most, is prudent. Preparing for the apocalypse is a waste of time and a LARP. You as an individual will never have the knowledge, skills, or resources to adequately bunker up in any workable way, unless you're rich enough to buy land, materials, and hire a bunch of people (in which case it's not just you, an individual, preparing yourself for the apocalypse).
>What is the rationale behind survivalism/prepping?
It is fun.
>If there is a total global collapse of industrial society its gonna be such a nightmarish, dystopic Cormac McCarthy novel that life won't be worth living.
Struggle is the only thing that makes life worth living.
>What is the rationale behind survivalism/prepping?
Being prepared and having the skills to get through emergency situations is fun and comfy. I want to be able to enjoy not having to go to work when shtf instead of having to worry about where my next meal is coming from.
Society doesn't devolve into mad max during catastrophes. Time and time again, what we've seen is that when disaster strikes, communities band together and help each other. The global catastrophe you're proposing won't happen.
But that's not what most preppers are doing, any way. Some of it is reasonable amounts of prepping, like people in this thread posted. But more than that? For a lot of people it's just a hobby. And they'd be useful members of that banded-together community, if disaster did strike.
So let them do their thing. And sure: they're fantasizing about "how my skills could save my community!" And it's a little lame but so what? They've got a hobby that, at its worst, is only helpful in a situation that is pretty unlikely. They're not hurting anyone and they're exercising their imagination. And they like to go camping. I like preppers.
>I like preppers.
and i like you pal. I'll let you in the bunker.
society devolves into tribalism during catastrophes, people come together to help one another but only up to a certain point of relationship distance
the entire extended family of a single house owner in your street might be accepted into the neighborhood group but you'd just as readily reject the people who live two streets away begging for safe water because someone from the outside has been stealing from your farm and you "know" it was none of you
while everyone is quick to come together and form a community of helpful charitable neighbors they're just as quickly to view outsiders with distrust and derision
it even goes for people within the community who aren't active enough, if you're sedentary and anti-social they're going to exile you the second it looks like you're a bigger drain on resources than a boon and then you become the kind of drifter small insular communities instinctively blame for every crime without a known perpetrator until it reaches the point that you begin to have to steal to get by because no one will deal with you honestly
and that's why we have a stockpile and a farmstead.
when i was a kid there was a gas pipeline explosion, or some shit.
for a week or two everyone we knew that had gas hot water came to our house to shower.
we had electric.
multiple times in the last couple of years the shelves were completely emptied of toilet paper.
sometimes certain foods completely disappeared.
covid should have really taught you not to ask this question.
sometimes a thing happens and things get pretty unpleasant in ways that you could predict and have prevented experiencing if you had been prepared.
it is not just for muh zombie apocalypse.
I live in a country that fluctuates between Detroit when it's stable and Mexican border when it's not, so preparing is a necessity, not a hobby for bored suburbanites.
I think the concept of 'prepping' has been taken to mean schizo nutjobs bs on the TV shows that put hundreds of pounds of rice into home depot buckets and let it go bad over the years. The popularization of that concept has also lead to consumer preppers who are using their interest/hobby in prepping as a subconscious excuse to allow themselves to buy a bunch of crap they don't actually need. You can see the same cope drive in many of the reddit-tier "hobbies" like mechanical keyboards or headphones or chefs knives. You need only one of any of these things but the 'hobbiest' will always obtain a silly amount to justify his preferences and engagement with the 'hobby'. I think this is the rationale most preppers have. It's a fun thing to read about for a week and it's easy to convince yourself you _need_ a fancy new flashlight that you didn't know existed yesterday. And if I'm buying it to protect my loved ones it has to be a good decision right?
Preparedness as a general concept is a separate thing from this new reddit prepping hobby. They started out the same of course. Learning how to garden, preserving food, self-sufficiency. Those are boring thing and hobbies in themselves. It's hard to turn "leave some meat in some salt for a few months" into a consumer frenzy so it gets less excited evangelist noobies and as such it gets easily eclipsed by the new reddit prepping hobby.
>And if I'm buying it to protect my loved ones it has to be a good decision right?
I'd say that's the big thing that separates these guys from other hobbyists like the mechanical keyboard guys or vinyl-collecting audiophiles - rather than justifying just needing another thing because the thing they have isnt that great or whatever, the justifications usually involve buying another remington hunting rifle to make sure your daughter doesn't turn into a human trafficking victim at the hands of roaming raiders, or rigging anti-looting traps to stop some post-industrial scavengers from stealing your cabbages or something. in order to seriously get into that side of prepping, you have to buy into a worldview that makes you distrust almost everyone around you, and lose hope of things getting better
feels like the logical conclusion of those gated community dagos who carry >$2000 handguns every time they go to work or the grocery store because they think they're gonna be hijacked by the cartel on the Jersey Turnpike or something
>What is the rationale behind survivalism/prepping?
the LARPy, logical conclusion of "me & my own"
>that life won't be worth living.
Have you ever thought preppers think the same way of our current state of gayness?
True. Which is why it is always funny when preppers on YouTube or whatever always feel the need to preface their prep video with "of course none of us want this to happen but...". Yeah you do... And so do I.
Self sufficiency is an enjoyable hobby
Its not to prepare for if the nukes fall or revolution happens or some dumb gay larp shit like that. Tornadoes, Hurricanes, Floods, Volcanic Disasters, & Blizzards happen every year to regular people just like you and me. During those times your are going to want at least two weeks of food & some way to stay warm along with generate power in case the power goes down.
Prepping isn't for Civil War, WW3, societal collapse or any if that nonsense. It's about being prepared for natural disasters temporary civil unrest and pandemics. You can also go the extra mile and prep for the possibility of your country being invaded and temporarily occupied, but that's the most extreme situation you would prep for.
Societal collapse isn't unheard of and prepping for it also preps you for much more common emergencies.
Basic prepping is just having a BOB for you or anybody close to you and having whatever means to live without electricity. Its not larp like some homosexuals say it is. Nothing wrong prepping either.
well that's your conclusion. these people think that life would either be worth living or that the gateway state that would lead to suicide is something to be prevented. no one likes starving, y'know?
Its mostly just a fun larp for some people to do. Most preppers are fat people who couldn't walk 10 miles and have no idea how to cook or use half the shit they buy.
Imagine actually believing this
He has a point; there are too many guys out there who spend money on cool shit but don't take the time to educate themselves.
he doesnt have a point at all
its a demotivational bot tier trope
stop beleiving whatever moronic shit you watch
>what is the rationale behind surviving
>especially against the odds
current state of westoids
You're right. I've got a plan, and an off-grid family farm in a an area that's low population density and produces a wide range of foods.
The first year or two would be fine. But then machinery would start to break, the bore would silt up making irrigation hard, electric pumps might start to break, fertilizer and fuel would dry up and everything would start to become much more manual and labor intensive.
Survival would still be fine with sharing and barter, but it wouldn't be too many years before I frick up my last pair of glasses, get an infection, or have a bad tooth. There are paramedics around but doctors would be impractically far away in any emergency. A bushfire would roll through after a few years and with nobody to fight it, it'll be down to luck and how good we were at prevention
I'd give it a red hot go but realistically, I'd be dead in 5-10 years even if it went great. It's a way to get through short term disruption.
the more you visibly produce the more likely you're one of the first places raided and looted or forced to host a protection gang
the true ideal is aquaponics for this reason, because you can follow drug farm strategies to keep that shit invisible in a locked shed and stockpile enough water cleaning agents and pump parts to keep the water clean to have a stable food supply for decades
you can also make your setup capable of working on a bucket fill cistern and gravity/valve aqueduct system so a pump breaking is just annoying instead of the end of the world
You don't even need nukes. 90%+ of 1st worlders don't realize that the industrial world is only about a year or two out from half the population starving to death if either the supply chain fully collapses or synthetic fertilizers aren't produced for that time period. Modern industrial monoculture pesticide ridden synthetic fertilizer farming is both unsustainable and a blight upon the environment (Aral sea among its many victims). If you don't grow it yourself with older organic methods, you're relying on a broken unsustainable system designed to make you feeble and obedient.
>If there is a total global collapse of industrial society its gonna be such a nightmarish, dystopic Cormac McCarthy novel that life won't be worth living
lmao that "nightmarish life" it's just going to be what life was like 100 or so years ago. Actually most of the world still live like that. Stop being such a pussy. Wow you have no electricity and you have to dig a well and farm your food, what a terrible fate.
Now if we're talking about nuclear shit, then you might have a point.
“The suburbs dream of violence. Asleep in their drowsy villas, sheltered by benevolent shopping malls, they wait patiently for the nightmares that will wake them into a more passionate world.”
There is none. have a nice day.
You should really consider your potential "mission".
Bug out bags were all the rage, but for many it really doesnt make sense, hunkering down with supplies is much more prudent. Also consider something like a get home bag, i for example spend my weeks in a large university town, that is prone to floods and has a large population of "urban youths". I go there by train and sleep there during the week, so i have setup a backpack with everything needet to hike the 80 miles back to the small town i come from, where i have family, friends and the community to fall back on.
This includes shelter to spend one or two nights, food, water, medical, tools, warm clothes etc.
The same thing could also be in your car, incase you brake down, there is no more gas available or all roads are blocked and it will bring you the last 100miles back home if need be.
Things like power outages, natural disasters, civil unrest, and supply shortages are very real and often dont involve going innawoods or platoon size assaults against fortified targets with your friends.
Couple things:
>All memes aside there really are some things hanging over society's head that could cause a catastrophe. It's happened plenty of times in history. Modern society relies on really brittle supply chains, even COVID caused a ton of disruption and that was like the common cold compared to some shit humanity has had to deal with in the past. Another Great Depression might be around the corner, the US economic system is a giant house of cards built on unsustainable debt. And there's the usual yellowstone, nukes etc as well.
>Prepping is cumulative. If you're prepared for a total SHTF, you'll handle more run of the mill emergencies like natural disasters and power outages, crime and riots and recessions/depressions really well.
>It is based on a mindset of self-reliance that benefits you in lots of other ways. It encourages you to build skills, prepping is part of why I learned to do my own home and mechanical repair work instead of paying someone else. You train to fix your car so you can drive away from the zombies, then you apply the knowledge to save you a few hundred bucks when you need a brake caliper done.
This all assumes sensible, rational prepping aka building redundancy and self-reliance into your life and preparing for society and infrastructure to not be there to help you anymore. Yes, guns and ammo are a part of that but only a small part. If your prepping solely consists of buying 50 ARs and a million rounds of ammo you're a fricking laughingstock to the rational prepper community.
>If there is a total global collapse of industrial society its gonna be such a nightmarish, dystopic Cormac McCarthy novel that life won't be worth living.
Incorrect. It will be the time of our lives (assuming you survive).
I keep 4 years of food for my wife in case I die, she won't have to grocery shop for a long time
>its gonna be such a nightmarish, dystopic Cormac McCarthy novel that life won't be worth living
yeah because i'm so happy with life now when it's supposedly good, thanks for the laugh. I'm already at the bottom you stupid frick hahahahahaha
>and beans.
acctually you didn't save money on beans. i am living off rice that i paid 40p/kilo, it is now 70p/kilo in the shops. if you stockpile now it is a financial investment because the price of food is only going up. you are wasting money on expensive beans tomorrow, when you could have bought cheap beans today.
you dont prep for the end of the world, you prep for the 3-4 years of chaos reigning before order re-establishes itself or you prep so you have the groundwork to create that order yourself
siege of sarajevo is the kind of environment you set your prepping targets for
Hey dickhead the clue is in the words "survivalism/prepping". You sound like you got a little sugar in your tank, are you pumping diesel or unleaded? It's about being prepared in case shit happens, and shit happens all the time. You know who wasn't brawling in Walmart for a pack of toilet paper? People who were prepared you fricking dickhead. You know what silverback is? I got a rocketship for your little pink butthole. Everything is pink, on you.
There's a lot of people who feel that life/the world/society is already the worst, and been that way for decade/s.
And too many people in citys/towns and places seems to be one of the main big problems.
You get rid of like 50% or 75% of people, and you end up with a peacefull semi empty planet.
You basically have true freedom, and no taxes/bills and junk.
And instead of billions of people taking resources and junk, you have maybe 1,000's or millions.
That's a lot more stuff for you.
It honestly feels like a dream for a lot of people.
Now sure if you got rid of like 99% of people, it would suck. Cause you wouldn't have anyone to hang out with, talk to, or do junk with.
But 75% or so seems ok.
Hell, if you were scientist in lab, and you created a new infectious disease in a secure double sealed box. And the disease had a 75% or 80% high kill rate, and like a 85% infect rate. (assuming someone with disease has to bite you for infection or something)
Would you destroy or release it?
Would it be wrong if i/you was in a lab for years working on this disease now, to "fix" society/humanity in future?
Hell some religions have a appocolapse as a sign of the "good" going to heaven and the bad dying.
It's like one of the main points of some religions, that 100's of millions of people believe in.
your usage of the word junk both outs you as an american and makes me take you less seriously.
You might have been happier in a more primitive time but your chances of dying in a horrific way would also be greater, I'll take depression and obesity over the plague and being eaten alive by wild animals.
>I'll take depression and obesity over the plague and being eaten alive by wild animals.
are you really depressd and obese? because i've been living with depression for the better part of 22 years. i would take the shorter happier life than this shit.
Happiness is something you are, not something that happens do you. Modern society isn't what makes you depressed. You'd be depressed in Medieval Europe too, but you'd also be cold, hungry and over worked.
nobody was saying that you fricking gobshite, that wasn't the trade.
the trade is:
short life and probably die horribly but happy
or
live in the modern era but be depressed and obese.
and i would trade my current depressed life for a shorter happy one in medieval times. i would not be depressed, because that is not part of the fricking deal. i know more about mindset and depression than you, but you don't know anything about me. thanks for trying to help but shut up.
not that anon but i am interested in your plight. you have never experienced such a lifestyle, so what makes you think you would be happy?
He's just spinning a fair tail. He's not even saying that Medieval peasants were happy. He's imagining the chance to be happy but he'd have to go back to 1066.
>fair tail
"fairy tale
>Thinking I medieval lifestyle would be anything but slog and misery.
If you can't be happy in the most incredibly comfortable and affluent time in human history then you never will be.
Not that anon. but I do not agree. I was seriously considering suicide several times daily for years, and then when I finally got an acre in the country and moved out of my suburban apartment shared with strangers, and in with my gf I literally just got better over night. We don't have gas or internet or power and it's amazing.
I kind of agree with you but that's a moronic take. Primitive lifestyle was healthier than the modern one only if you live both on autopilot and just kind of do what it is normal in your society to do. In the modern era you can live a way more happy and healthy life than humanity has ever had the chance to, if you do it smart and fight the social and cultural pressures that steer you into an unhealthy lifestyle. Eat healthy and unprocessed foods, (actually healthy, not the "health food" products with a c**t ton of added sugars in them), stay physically fit, have hobbies that involve getting off your ass, maintain active friendships even if they're with autists, find yourself an ugly low-maintenance woman and have a ton of sex which is just about the best antidepressant there is.
The only reason everyone is obese and depressed today is because society offers very easy ways to do that. Junk food is ubiquitous and goddamn addictive, and Youtube, Twitch and video games trap you into staying inside all the time being comfortable instead of going out and meeting people and doing shit. And the more people fall into that trap, the harder it is for everyone who doesn't to stay healthy because now the unhealthy lifestyle is "normal". We think of primitive people as "more healthy" because they didn't have those problems, but they had plenty of others like disease. If you structure your life right you can enjoy all the perks like modern medicine and creature comforts while avoiding the pitfalls.
what if it's a pugpocalypse? imagine trillions of hungry pugs suddenly appear out of nowhere
jesus. that mass of pugs would be visible from the moon wouldn't it?
Hurricanes and riots happen and I want those events to be manageable in the most painless fashion that I can reasonably attain. It's worked out so far.
>life won't be worth living
Feel free to have a nice day now if youre the type of person that defines "A life worth living" based on things like the existence of electricity.
One day you may live a life where everything you own has been taken from you, your house, your family your freedom you may even lose your entire country. What will you do then if you haven't prepared?
If you can't understand this then you live a very sheltered and ignorant life, you are a coward blind to the events of the modern day.
homiez that dont be trustin demselves, they be into preppin cos it bbe givin them some sekurity,
but fr jesus is the only security u need and u have to trust him then ur good
preppers be homosexuals
hard times. simple as.
I will never ever give up, that's why.
Preppers (as in prepping for an apocalyptic scenario, not normal disasters) are mostly insecure introverts and the prepping fantasy is a way to feel powerful.
If the scenario they envision happening did occur it would be groups that worked cooperatively that survived, church groups, community organisations, etc would be well placed to adapt, not weird loners barricaded in their basements.
I don't necessarily prep for total global collapse, but I like prepping for disasters like floods or being more /comfy/ during a power outage. Or if something interrupts my ability to go to the grocery store normally (remember the beginning of covid?)
COVID, then floods here made all the effort of prepping worth it. I was well stocked, had all the clean water I needed, fresh food and stocked non-perishables, and total energy independence. Investing in blackout curtains to stop neighbours seeing I had power was the best of the lot, because people were FURIOUS that someone a little up the hill from me had a generator and didn't just give it away so people could charge their phones.
Reminder that anyone who tells you not to have common sense shit put together incase of an emergency is your enemy.
OP, kill ya self lil nígga
I have a homestead and most people I know think im some sort of prepper. I get more satisfaction doing things, making things, and growing things myself than going to a soul crushing job. The quality of life in the US is clearly on the downgrade. Its nice knowing that you have skills to do things yourself. Also fresh berries from your backyard is sweet AF.
So yes. The way our economy and infrastructure works it is not self restarting.
After about two weeks of any serious global disruption we are going back to the stone age.
It would be a miracle if the still operable pieces of tec and the people who know how to use them would have any chance at restarting anything before they broke down beyond repair.
The best places to be in the long term will be areas of extreme poverty because they are the only one operating without deep connections to the global system.
We can agree on all of that and still say it's worth while to be prepared for the worst.
So the disruption would need to be Global , serious, and last two weeks. I can think of a lot of situations that both have me wanting survival skills and prepping in place that also don't meet the 3 above criteria.
Lastly in a situation that meets all 3 criteria what harm would having survival skills and prepping in place do? I might not be able to restart society but at least I won't starve or freeze in the first winter.
I while my gear lasts will be able to live a relatively comfortable life.
simple. it's fun. it's fun to plan and practice and speculate. gives me something to do and focus on.
Life is already a nightmare barely worth living in, and yet I still haven't pulled the trigger.
It can't actually be worse in a world without fiat currency.
>killing yourself because you suddenly have to live in a developing nation
I was going to berate you, but after thinking about I think you're probably right to off yourself. It's not like someone who can't stomach rebuilding is going to actually be useful for it.
Settle the frick down bro. If things go breasts up it's not gonna be hell on earth or something moronic like that. Just look at the majority of human history. It's mostly chaos punctuated with little blips of peace here and there. I'd be willing to bet many if not most of your ancestors lived through trying times, and were still able to survive and find some measure of happiness. Just means you'll have to cooperate with people and acquire your own food/resources instead of sitting around in your goon hole while some underpaid beaner leaves your Doordash on the steps.
>Just means you'll have to cooperate with people and acquire your own food/resources instead of sitting around in your goon hole
i think that's the thing that OP is questioning. there's very little room in the prepper mentality for co-operation with people. there's a lot of talk of how to defend yourself from your own neighbours, and very little talk about maintaining human relationships outside of your own household
it's the logical conclusion of rugged individualism, that's the rationale really
they take issue with problems in their society, and rather than trying to build a community around trying to solve these problems, they turn inwards and decide they don't need any form of community
working with a community to make things better is hard, creating your own "me & my own" world is a far easier delusion for these guys to bite into
the rejection of the concept of community deeply engrained in north american middle-class culture, it's the same ideological sentiments that convinced post-war whites to flock to the suburbs (why try to share a park when you can have a backyard all to yourself, why share a public pool with your "neighbours" when you can simply have your own pool, why have community gardens when you can have your own little cabbage patch, etc)
have you tried sharing something with black and poor people?
>>what the fricks wrong with you anon, you think you're better than people with keeping your clean, quiet car to yourself and avoiding crackheads?
modern quality of life fear and anxiety thats consoled by CONSOOOMING
magically dont see this in civilized countries where basic needs arent precariat
Prepping is resonable if a tornado or earthquake rolls through your town on a regular basis
The "preppers" who prepare for the end of the world are more a niche of paranoid schizos who seem more excited at the thought of the apocalypse than actual survival
You can see this on /k/, every day they have a bogaloo thread screaming "IT'S HAPPENING" and getting all worked up at the idea of finally getting to larp innawoods with their discount surplus gear
Carrington level event will happen again. Would be pretty bad with our current reliance on the grid
Shit is going down, we are so far in the process that we can't find anyone to deny it now. Prepping is a way to cope. They think it will be a cool and enjoyable collapse, like in the video games.
The man saw reddit and flat out knew where it was all going.
1) its' conscientiousness meets distrust. I am responsible for my survival and I don't trade that away to the group b/c the group disgusts me.
2) aside from creature comforts, industrial society doesn't give me anything. I don't need TV, funko pops, vidya, the local night life or any of that gay shit. I have family, close friends, and nature. Also outside of AC, I only really need those creature comforts to live on an industrial schedule, ie. I don't need a car to live my life on my land, no need for convenience meals and machined parts to do things faster when I'm not on shekelstein's schedule.
The idea of schedule's only exist bc the factory and deliveries. The factory made life immeasurably worse then sold us back some copes to deal with the worse lifestyle.
fricked if i know but i appreciate it. itll be nice to raid youre place after i murder you.