What is the point of this?

When binoculars exist?

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think a better question is why use binoculars when this exists

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Glass is heavy and expensive. If you don't need binocular vision, a mono is by definition about half the weight and half the cost (in practice there may be a few fixed costs) for the same light gathering and magnification. That's a big deal in a lot of cases.

      Binoculars offer binocular vision, which most humans on this planet find useful. When looking at views or wildlife or whatever, most people want to use both their eyes, and they aren't carrying a bunch of other stuff, don't care about min/maxing, so it's fine to spend weight on it.

      Each exists for good reason. Both of you are genuine morons if this wasn't instantly obvious.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        …… you really think that weighs less then binos you are the moron.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          make a pair of binoculars with the same sized objective. It will weigh twice as heavy because it has twice lenses. You fricking nitwit. Might as well ask why scopes aren't binocular.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Might as well ask why scopes aren't binocular.
            So why aren't there any binocular scopes?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Ask that again after you own a rifle and shoot with it a little anon, if you're so terminally moronic you still need to.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              parallax is hard to maintain with two sets of lenses. modern binos can do it but cheap ones inevitably break just from normal use, mounting one to a rifle would probably make it flop around uselessly before long

              C'mon what did you expect? A refracting telescope by design is imperfect and suffers from chromatic and spherical aberration. The more it magnification the more it suffers, it can be partially removed with optical cratches but never can be fully eliminated and cratches introduce their own distortions. So yeah x60 power refractor would be bad.

              modern optics are fine. gun owners just get pwnt by tacticool tax

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              nta and not disagreeing with the "walk" thing being dumb at a range unless it's deadsville, but 8x is plenty to see your shots at 100-200yds, a nice little $180-240 mono with very good glass is plenty enough for that.

              Also: off topic but given how fricking cheap cameras are now and how easy it is to protect them I'm honestly a little surprised more ranges haven't invested in target cameras. Not cheap public ones of course, but even nicer private ones that cost real money. I rigged one up with a buddy at our home made range and it was genuinely pretty cool being able to see all shots at a glance. From there also seems like a good little project to make it automatically number shots, do groups and so on. Obviously still need spotting at not just many ranges but if you wanna go out and do your own stuff on blm land or whatever, but for how cheap it was and genuinely kinda fun I feel like more clubs could do it.

              guns are a boomer hobby and boomers hate spending money on technology
              why do you think security camera footage is always 12p black and white bullshit? no business owner wants to spend the 20$ on a webcam even for indoor use, and are too stupid to not get fleeced by "security companies" who sell the same webcam but in a glass dome for 2000$.

              though what i wonder is why so few places have targets you can put out and retract. as simple as hanging it on a clothesline (or two). but i bet it's because boomers are too dumb to install a couple of wheels and tie some rope and get scared by 12,000$ Tactical Strategic ShotCallMaxx Elite Training Systems (that are just a motorized clothesline)

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >twice the glass weighs the same guys
          The complete and absolute state of (you).

          Nice Reddit spacing dumbfrick

          yeah

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You zoomers truly may be the most turbofricked generation we've had in generations. Goddamned you are all are doomed.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >brings up zoomers out of nowhere
            obsessed

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I have to think that you're just imagining a regular pair of off-the-shelf binoculars working for this objective

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          of course it does you, dumbass. Binocular vision is less expensive due to the effect of using both eyes where a single scope is more expensive because of standards. You just have shrunken cost fallacy

          You think that shit is cheap or easy? It isn't.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I lost at least 5 iq points reading your post.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Many such cases when looking at AI slop word salad like the post you're replying to.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nice Reddit spacing dumbfrick

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Reddit spacing
          Go back. You fricking tourist Black person.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

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      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The relative spacing of your eyes is lower when viewing at longer distances, so you don't get proper binocular vision at extremely high magnifications.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Stfu zoomer

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Even with only some bino you still get wider fov as well and more information gathering, and your brain can still combine info from both eyes. Binoculars are simply better for scanning larger areas for things of interest and then giving them some attention before using something stronger. They're much more comfortable for longer continuous use. If you do that much most people will get eye strain, because the vision of one eye is magnified while the other is not.

          That's why they're popular. Monos will let you do a bigger objective/more zoom in the same weight. They're better for focusing on specific things of interest in a weight budget, particularly in lower light.

          Holy shit why do we have to explain something so basic.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            At 60x you can literally just split the output of a spotting scope to both eyes and have the same level of "binocular" vision as actual binoculars. That's why spotting scopes like the one the OP exist and comparable binoculars don't.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Ok, but if you split the light now your image is half as bright.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      if oyu want two just buy two and use both at once !?

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Binoculars have a wider field of view, they are for scanning for targets.
    Spotting scopes offer more magnification and usually higher resolution. Once you've located a target with your binoculars you use a spotter to assess it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I mean, this isn't anything inherent though, it just comes down to the size/weight tradeoffs. You can get ginormous ass binoculars with big mag and huge active image stabilization and so on, but they're heavy as frick. I've seen 'em used (and tried some out) on big ships, they're good if they will exclusively be used in a lookout role and you have to deal with tons of up/down (waves) all the time. It was really cool though. For something more mobile and on land you usually have a fixed max weight in mind. Within that weight budget you can have binoculars with a wider fov and both eyes with smaller glass, or a mono with bigger glass and longer. Image stabilization can still be useful in some cases for land binocs but you only need a little which saves weight and power, and are fine with none, and for something stable on a pod of course nothing is needed. I have a set of both.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I’m starting to get into target shooting at longer distances but was wanting something to look at my hits from a distance. Any recommendations on binos or spotting scopes for this?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What's your price range?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Under 500 would be nice but I’m flexible if the juice is worth the squeeze

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If you're shooting in broad daylight then you can use just about anything. The main advantage of high-end optics is that you can use them in suboptimal lighting conditions.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >When binoculars exist?
    They were invented in 1608.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I've hated spotting scopes every time I've used them. The eye box and eye relief tends to be absolutely horrific and they always have really bad blue fringing and chromatic aberrations. I got a $1599 Vortex Razor HD 27-60 Angled spotting scope and I had to send the thing back because it had a massive fricking blem right in the middle of the glass. Pic related, looking 2 miles away. Great job Vortex

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I got Sigger 16x42 stabilized binos instead and they're way more useful for spotting in the 100-200 yard range I have access to (and I can take them hiking) and just being able to pull them out and use them without having to lug around a heavy scope and a tripod

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          while you don't have as much magnification as a spotting scope I find that the fact you're using both eyes as well as the better glass quality makes them punch well above their weight. kinda hard to photograph through binos and it doesn't really do em justice. the stabilization is also amazing and a complete game changer

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's high and bigger. I've got 8x42, 10x42, and 12x36 binocs but the latter two are image stabilized. 16x is higher, narrower and heavier then I'd personally want for binocs, but if it works for you it works for you.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/s33Yoim.jpeg

          while you don't have as much magnification as a spotting scope I find that the fact you're using both eyes as well as the better glass quality makes them punch well above their weight. kinda hard to photograph through binos and it doesn't really do em justice. the stabilization is also amazing and a complete game changer

          >100-200yds
          >dedicated spotting binos
          walk your fat ass downrange, its more usefull to you than that trash sig glass

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you've never been to a range in your life

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah, nothing beats firing 3 shots and waiting 15-30 minutes to walk down range to see wtf you hit

              walking downrange means everyone else has to stop shooting moron

              nta and not disagreeing with the "walk" thing being dumb at a range unless it's deadsville, but 8x is plenty to see your shots at 100-200yds, a nice little $180-240 mono with very good glass is plenty enough for that.

              Also: off topic but given how fricking cheap cameras are now and how easy it is to protect them I'm honestly a little surprised more ranges haven't invested in target cameras. Not cheap public ones of course, but even nicer private ones that cost real money. I rigged one up with a buddy at our home made range and it was genuinely pretty cool being able to see all shots at a glance. From there also seems like a good little project to make it automatically number shots, do groups and so on. Obviously still need spotting at not just many ranges but if you wanna go out and do your own stuff on blm land or whatever, but for how cheap it was and genuinely kinda fun I feel like more clubs could do it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Also: off topic but given how fricking cheap cameras are now and how easy it is to protect them I'm honestly a little surprised more ranges haven't invested in target cameras. Not cheap public ones of course, but even nicer private ones that cost real money. I rigged one up with a buddy at our home made range and it was genuinely pretty cool being able to see all shots at a glance. From there also seems like a good little project to make it automatically number shots, do groups and so on. Obviously still need spotting at not just many ranges but if you wanna go out and do your own stuff on blm land or whatever, but for how cheap it was and genuinely kinda fun I feel like more clubs could do it.
                WTF anon I'll have to keep that in mind. Flat panel monitor under a roof with an extension cord to the rig would be a good idea when I get some land. Simply run the cable under the ground in some conduit (making sure to keep the ends turned down so it doesn't fill with water) and you're golden. Shit you might even be able to get a camera that ouputs straight to VGA for use with an old 16:9/16:10 panel you get for free or something. I'd probably put plexiglas in front of the camera and cable to protect from spalling just in case. That shit is easy to find; I have a ton of scraps I've found from people tossing their old sheets, still with the wrap on both sides.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Simply run the cable under the ground in some conduit (making sure to keep the ends turned down so it doesn't fill with water) and you're golden.
                You can get direct burial ethernet, basically ethernet in flex metal with dielectric gel, works well. And yeah basically that's it, you can get cheap cameras that are PoE (power over ethernet), so you just run a network cable from shed to cameras and you're done. A cheap ass $60 poe switch will power and network 4-8 of them, tons of easy options for video to any old screen from there and people give those away for free, nobody wants an old 1080p tv or computer monitor even if they work perfectly well. Some steel or block behind the camera, some plexiglass in front for spall and you're done. As you say most of the stuff you can find for dirt because you don't need anything nice and there's so much ancient shit floating around, and everything is so small scrap otherwise destined for the trash is plenty enough to protect it.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, nothing beats firing 3 shots and waiting 15-30 minutes to walk down range to see wtf you hit

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            walking downrange means everyone else has to stop shooting moron

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >100-200 yard range
          >$1100 16x42 1.4lb binocs
          homie WHAT

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            More money than sense, common trait of PS90 owners

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >stabilized binos
          should've went with Canon

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The Canon ones have garbage stabilization, garbage glass and people were complaining about the rubber covers falling off and the lenses not being weather sealed and having mold grow inside of them. They also haven't been updated in a decade and a half. I've been in photography long enough to avoid the Canon cripple hammer that they hit all of their products with

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              sig is worse than canon tho

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      C'mon what did you expect? A refracting telescope by design is imperfect and suffers from chromatic and spherical aberration. The more it magnification the more it suffers, it can be partially removed with optical cratches but never can be fully eliminated and cratches introduce their own distortions. So yeah x60 power refractor would be bad.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    For the same reason they don't put binoculars on rifles.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Does anyone know anything about the optikotechna scopes? It's a fixed 4x 6deg scope with adjustable zero. I can't figure out how to adjust for windage, if that's even possible.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      /QTDDTOT/ also good fricking luck if that's vintage shit. Might even need rings that adjust rather than the scope itself adjusting. But honestly with something like that you'd be better off finding a vintage rifle scope forum.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >you'd be better off finding a vintage rifle scope forum.
        I tried, the only hits are for people looking to buy them 2016 and earlier, also there's no cutiedot up so I thought I'd wait for one.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I mean making your own posts on said forums; I'm sure someone knows how they work and what they need. Or actually, and I've made this suggestion before, check out vintagegunscopes and shoot them an email; if the mount/rings is proprietary for that scope (with its own adjustment) they may know something, though they seem to mainly do work on Weavers. Other than that, a lot of forum guys know stuff that isn't readily available online so they may know something that you cannot otherwise find by making a post somewhere. I have an old Mossberg mount that adjusts (the scope has no adjustments) but finding that scope and the list of compatible/period correct models isn't easy outside of some forum guy with a scan of an old catalog/pamphlet.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Thanks man

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you've never used a "spotting scope" have you.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Go outside

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Pair of binos: 8x/10x typically
    >Spotting scope: 60x/80x typically
    >One is ground stabilized
    >One is not

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I can freehand my spotting scope. My hands are gyro-stabilized

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Binos are for trying to see range using two eyes and the way vision works in the human brain. A fixed monocular is for basically going 2d for up, down, left, or right which is more useful for watching single rounds.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    typical binocular user

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Do you think there are binoculars that can match that magnification? Lmao lol

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