What is the point of these big heavy red dots when compact/micro red dots exist and do the same thing for a third the weight?

What is the point of these big heavy red dots when compact/micro red dots exist and do the same thing for a third the weight?

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The romeo7 is a clone of a 20 year old optic
    The EoTech is heavy and outdated and has atrocious battery life
    The PRO is an iteration of the M2, way old
    There is 0 reason

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The EoTech is heavy and outdated and has atrocious battery life
      so what's the better option? Oh wait, there isn't one.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Aimpoint T2

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I mean yeah if you want a red dot and not a holographic sight. I get that they're both just lasers though. I'll probably get an aimpoint eventually but I don't do much with my rifles to begin with.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            With KAC battery cover, no exceptions

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        eokeke is for stigmatism bois, t2 master race is for people with good eyes.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          highly problematic and sightest statement

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >eokeke is for stigmatism bois, t2 master race is for people with good eyes
          When will this stupid fucking meme die?
          I have astigmatism and eokek reticles are a fuzzy mess for me, while aimpoints work fine (aside from the dot being slightly misshapen).

          • 3 weeks ago
            BigC

            The people who say this shit don't own the optics or guns they talk about
            It's really funny how that works

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The PRO is an iteration of the M2, way old
      Yeah, but its one of the cheaper option if you wanted an Aimpoint product, it is still one of the more durable RDS on the market.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You need to workout.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >focus on one word in the entire post and make fun of OP over it because you don't actually care about this conversation

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >would rather carry dead weight in aluminum than extra ammo or supplies
        Brainlet take.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This. Doesn't matter what shape you're in, there is always more you could carry, or less for more endurance. Every ounce should have to justify itself outside of range toys. If someone finds the sight picture or whatever just really really fits them that's a perfectly reasonable justification. But "work out" is retarded.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The EoTech is heavy and outdated and has atrocious battery life
      Still my favorite sight picture out of any optic I have looked through. 500 hours is plenty, just buy some batteries...should be running back up irons anyways...I love the cowitness

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >BUIS
        >Cowitness
        >Ok with inferiority

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Unlike you reddit frog posting zoomies, some of us do not trust electronics and have enough experience with murphy's law to know that they will fail at the worst possible time. Experience also says muscle memory is extremely important and even something like lower 1/3 can fuck you up at the worst possible time.
          You're a larper though so you can run whatever is currently in style, it's of little consequence.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >even something like lower 1/3 can fuck you up at the worst possible time
            not using a circle dot

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You're fucking retarded and missed the point entirely. Do whatever you want, I could care less about what a reddit gay thinks is tactically sound.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous
            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              ?t=457

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Based and truth pilled.

      Why do micro dots exist when the whole point of red dots is they can be shot from any sight picture. You're just cucking yourself with smaller ones and being a bitch about 4oz.
      >inb4 just shoulder your rifle properly
      >Kenosha_garden gnome_Killer.jpg

      You're a dumbass that doesn't understand shooting with both eyes open.

      >The EoTech is heavy and outdated and has atrocious battery life
      so what's the better option? Oh wait, there isn't one.

      The uh1 unironically. Deal with it delaminatiom thermal shift lying company delusional customers believing them now cope poster, donut of death reticles are common now.

      >The EoTech is heavy and outdated and has atrocious battery life
      Still my favorite sight picture out of any optic I have looked through. 500 hours is plenty, just buy some batteries...should be running back up irons anyways...I love the cowitness

      You're wrong stupid and ignorant, 500 hours lol enough lol. You are a joke and the death donut is on other t2 clones and smaller more modern red dots. Eokeks are rough but they also disintegrate by themselves so there is that.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why do micro dots exist when the whole point of red dots is they can be shot from any sight picture. You're just cucking yourself with smaller ones and being a bitch about 4oz.
    >inb4 just shoulder your rifle properly
    >Kenosha_garden gnome_Killer.jpg

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not gonna lie the larger lens on the Aimpoint PRO is nicer than the T2. But the T2’s minimal lens tint, battery life, dot crispness, lens clarity, brightness adjustment range, and weight are all superior. The T2 is clearly the better optic. I kind of wish they’d make a version of the T2 with a larger lens though, kind of like the Trijicon SRO relative to the RMR.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The T2 is clearly the better optic. I kind of wish they’d make a version of the T2 with a larger lens though, kind of like the Trijicon SRO relative to the RMR.

        I think what he's getting at is that you have a larger area you can pick up the dot from, not quite like an eyebox on a traditional scope, because there is no limit to your eye relief, but a similar concept. If you've ever done training shooting from awkward positions, it really helps.

        I can second this. My first 'nice' red dot was an MRO. I eventually traded up for an Aimpoint Micro but it was significantly finding the dot when I first installed the micro because the box on the MRO is so much larger.

        Too bad the MRO kind of sucks, is ugly, and loved by redditors. It had a really big FOV for its size.

        I switched from an RMR to an SRO on my main full size handgun despite all the perfectly reasonable warnings about it being less durable (I added steel and foam around it) and have been really really happy I did ever since. Regardless of all the common advice about just training for better stance etc, big window really is nice particularly with worse eyes or when things are suboptimal (shooting from awkward angle, behind cover, etc). The durability/bulk/weight tradeoffs are real for sure, but still.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          steel and foam around it? pics?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            My SRO lens came out of the housing..... Just from holstering and deholstering...

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >steel and foam around it? pics?
            You can see it pretty clearly here.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              how did you get the shape and size so tight ?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Started with the jagerwerks thing and then had my local machine shop do some further customization and flatten the base and such. They are wizards with steel and do literally everything in our town, awesome guys. If you have an SRO I definitely would suggest giving it a look, the weight is minimal and the price very reasonable. SROs aren't tiny micro anyway obviously and in my light testing it's a big durability gain, though obviously a bigger window is still more breakable anyway.

            • 3 weeks ago
              BigC

              Can you really reach the buttons through that tiny hole?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yep no problem, though if you have enormous sausage fingers dunno just use a bullet or spent brass or leave it on auto. But it should be fine for most, they are bigger than they look from that angle. What cannot be adjusted without a tool is the side dot shift but particularly with an SRO zeroing shouldn't be necessary often. Unlike RMR no need to take it off to change the battery.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Durability and sight window

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Same reason some folks swear by wheelguns and pump actions. It's proven to be reliable and effective, with a long list of citations from decades of use.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >how does the whiteys compete with this?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >putting chinese mailbox on your rifle
      have some self-respect

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I like that. It might work well but I find it hideous

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      fucking chinks can't even own guns (LOL) who cares

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This thing is unironically one of the best red dots on the market right now for civilian use.
      >can work with no battery in sunlight
      >turns on when you pick up your rifle
      >automatic brightness
      >multiple reticles
      >looks good when not using the meme riser
      In short, it just works.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Need the riser if you're running a FSP

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It blows my mind how many optics still don't have shake awake. It's either "hold down a button for three seconds" or "it's always on so it might still be working when you need it". Fuckin retarded.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          As a proponent of shake awake, I can see the benefit of either system in a carry optic. Turning on your red dot could easily become a part of your holster donning routine, or having it always on makes it 100% reliable as long as you remember to change the batteries. Meanwhile, the shake awake optic is draining a lot of battery every single day because you're keeping it on through Motion throughout the day.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You dumb retard, 99% of optics nowadays have 60k hours of run time, just change the battery once a year and you don't need meme features that often don't work. On my holosun the shake awake works 2 out of ever 5 times.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Ain't ever seen a holosun or aimpoint last more than three months

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I store my Aimpoints at "weaponlight on a white wall" bright and change the batteries once a year. I find this hard to believe.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              because you're only trying to look for things to affirm your assumptions.
              there are lots of people that have holosuns and shoot tons and have never had a problem with holosun.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Shake-Awake works on my Romeo 7 100% of the time. You are shit

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Tell me you don't own a cmore without owning a cmore.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >It blows my mind how many optics still don't have shake awake. It's either "hold down a button for three seconds" or "it's always on so it might still be working when you need it". Fuckin retarded.
          imagine having such a doghsit optic you can't leave it on 24/7 for 2 years.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Nice Instagram LAM

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        mem riser ?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The higher height risers like 1.93" and higher, Scalarworks and Unity Fast mount comes to mind.
          It's not a meme if you require it i.e. using it for NODs passive aiming or wearing gas mask where you can't get a standard cheek weld. But for a lot of people they see it from brovets IG shit and they just "clone" it without knowing why they would actually want it or need it.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            See unity on some yt vids, not real life. may have it wrong but he was using a magnifier and said that instead of flipping magnifier to the side it allowed a more vertical drop keeping it more out of field of view. Im new to optics so its easy to misinterpret without having all the lingo down.
            Basically I am deciding between
            1 just a red dot
            2 magnifier and dot or eotech ( does magnifier obstruct view ) ?
            3 lpvo ( may not like eye box issue ) red dot offset
            To me if shtf, 200 yds in would be most likely need and bigger eye box preferred.
            BUT where to go to side by side compare ? is that possible at stores or go to range and talk to guys look at their set up, read, then pic and put in time

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >said that instead of flipping magnifier to the side it allowed a more vertical drop keeping it more out of field of view.
              That is a pretty good argument for having a flip to center magnifier if you are able to use the Unity fast mount and FTC mag mount. For me I like the FTC mag mount because I can stow the mag inline center of the rifle rail and optic, so its easier to stow the magnifier and keep the rifle slung to my body like a normal rifle and I will have a 1x optic ready instead of having the magnifier already in position over the RDS and I have to flip it out of the way when I wanted 1x.
              Another thing is it keeps the weight of the magnifier center inline with the rifle and optic etc, having it flip to side gives it a slight off center weight to the right or left of the rifle, just slight though so its not a big deal in the grand scheme of things.

              >2 magnifier and dot or eotech ( does magnifier obstruct view ) ?
              If using the Unity Fast riser and FTC mount, it does not imo when its in the FTC stow away position. When in use of the magnifier, your FOV will be reduced to w/e the magnifier FOV is at.

              >BUT where to go to side by side compare ? is that possible at stores or go to range and talk to guys look at their set up, read, then pic and put in time
              Yeah, most LGS should have plastic dummy firearm with rails to let you checkout how optics perform.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                interesting,
                never thought of laying flat against body issue.
                Man I was thinking of designing a plastic / rail maybe selling to GS ,of course too obvious.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            people want it's because it's a more comfortable shooting position. why do you want a cowitnessed sight? are you a sniper with a 12x scope and bipod? no? so wtf do you care about "cheekweld" so much for?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I don't care what you think, I'll do what I want.
              I have a Unity FAST mount for my T2 and the FTC magnifier mount. My primary reason is for NODs passive aiming.
              You do you.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Still uses active aiming in 2022

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Dumbass, active aiming is with the LAM/MFAL, passive is with the RDS without the use of the LAM/MFAL.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >why do you want a cowitnessed sight?
              Rhetorical ? Had to look it up . I guess you are using a question as the answer (you are in favor of co witnessed ) which you would not have with long range scope set up for tight cheek weld.
              Do I have that right ?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Guess I need to reread cowitnessed sight description. Irons appear dead center in optic lens , not underneath red dot

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          dis I tink

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            are you danny from the mask

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Max reddit setup

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            HIGHER

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Woah, hey guys!

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I hate how all cube optics look. No exceptions.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The order of importance for short/medium range optics is
    >lens size
    >lens quality
    >type of reticle (like 1/2/4moa dot, chevron, etc)
    >quality of reticle projection
    And finally
    >battery life

    20mm optics are not suitable for what a red dot is supposed to achieve. Bigger is better.
    I'd rather have a mediocre quality 50mm lens with a blurry 4moa dot than a pristine chevron in a 20mm window.
    These are for close distances. You need a wide field of view for close distances.

    Anything else is poorfag or speedlarp

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >lens size
      You aim with two eyes my dude. Unless your red dot is wider than your face, your other eye will be completely unobstructed. Not that important except in the one niche scenario of passive NV aiming through a monocular.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think what he's getting at is that you have a larger area you can pick up the dot from, not quite like an eyebox on a traditional scope, because there is no limit to your eye relief, but a similar concept. If you've ever done training shooting from awkward positions, it really helps.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I can second this. My first 'nice' red dot was an MRO. I eventually traded up for an Aimpoint Micro but it was significantly finding the dot when I first installed the micro because the box on the MRO is so much larger.

          Too bad the MRO kind of sucks, is ugly, and loved by redditors. It had a really big FOV for its size.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >think what he's getting at is that you have a larger area you can pick up the dot from
          yeah that's what I was getting at. I was taught sight picture included your head/eye position, but I think a lot of people just understand it as what you see, sights and target and all that. Probably could've used a better phrase.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          is there a "break point "in lens size for you where you notice the difference ?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >These are for close distances. You need a wide field of view for close distances.
      You don't pick the target up in the tube retard, if you do you're doing it wrong.
      You keep both eyes open and the optic housing disappears.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Through a tiny tube you gave to look around to find what side the dot is visible in. In a 50mm red dot the lens is big enough it’s always visible

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >field of view
      >for an optic that does not bend light
      retard, red dots don't have FOV at all. it's just 3 panes of glass. the housing only needs to be thin so it doesn't obstruct your view, and all of these big red dots have massive housings.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        sorry chud but only the rmr offers sufficient eyebox for the needs of elite operators

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >he housing only needs to be thin so it doesn't >obstruct your view, and all of these big red dots >have massive housings.
        "All of these" - meaning which red dots ? what is thin, what is thick

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        re read I think you mean non micro red dots with larger lense have massive housing ? Like OP picture.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          thats what i said dummy

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have a Romeo 7 Juliet 4 combo. Good sight picture. Good glass. Great battery life. Feels very sturdy. Although I'll say on that one I don't beat my guns to shit dicking in the mud so I haven't put it through the ringer in that regard.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because training and experience, and having buddies with training and experience matters much more in real world situations where guns are used than video game min-maxing and consuming the latest and greatest product.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Your optic selection literally does not matter as long as it works and is durable. Training is 1000000x more valuable.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Looks cooler

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They look less gay when mounted on a rifle.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what's not to love??

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >7 years of battery life
    >indestructible
    >clear glass
    >great FoV

    Look, we don't give you shit for being poor. How about shutting up with the copium?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A T2 does all that at 1/4 the size and weight, but you obviously have brain worms (fixed irons) so I don't expect you to understand the point in the OP isn't about money in the slightest.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I saw a CompM4 dropped on a rifle at 500ft from a blackhawk. The rifle's barrel was bent, the handguards popped off, and the grip flew off. The CompM4 had a scuff but was otherwise unaffected.

        When that happens to a T2 in front of me, I'll think this highly of it.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          T1 survived being dropped out of a heli during shot show 2012, rear lens cracked but it still worked and you could see the dot fine.
          T2 was Aimpoint's answer to being asked to make the T1 more rugged.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I've killed a comp m4s before but it seems like a freak accident that jostled the circuitry or something so the dot would only stay on for a few seconds then die. Aimpoint fixed it for free and it's been going solid ever since.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It has aimbot micro computers built into them so they automatically zero itself and adjust for wind and elevation from wherever you aim

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you ever used an RDS outside, especially in either very bright or rainy conditions you would know.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is the Aimpoint Duty any good?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Its the "just as good" micro option from AP. They call it the "Duty" for the same reason they called the rehashed M2 the "Professional Rifle Optic". Its to allow officers that throw their carbine in the trunk and only take it out to qual once a year to feel good about buying a cheap optic and still have the Aimpoint brand name on it. Anyone actually using their rifle often in a professional capacity that isn't a third worlder is going to buy a T2 or CompM4/5.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        ever use trijicon mro ?opinion ?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Buddy bought one to replace his TA44 (bad astigmatism even with correctional lenses on kills his red dot joy) and despite its ~1.1x mag it still didn't scratch the itch for him and combined with the battery cap unscrewing itself over time he went back to the ACOG. Apparently the new MROs don't have that low level magnification which could be viewed as a flaw, but for the price I would still get an Aimpoint PRO since while its not as good as the current top tier APs it was the top tier ~15 years ago and I can live with that. If you can stand chinkshit, I like the AEMS at $400 since it is better than my PRO under NV, but I just don't trust it as much.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            trying to decide on price point, but leaning away from top tier ( 900 up ) more. the prices you mentioned.
            do want NV eventually. But that is a "save up for " purchase. Not sure if thermal 1st . But in most engagements seems to make target really pop.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The modern micros and comp series are without a doubt the best, but I understand not wanting to pay for them. IMO a PRO is the next best thing from a durability and performance standpoint for cheaper with NV in the equation. Without NV the coatings + small window don't matter as much and I trust AP to make the Duty well enough but the buttons instead of dial are a turn-off for me.
              The MRO is flawed in a number of ways and is priced out of being a budget option. The Sig 8t hasn't proven itself yet over time, but looks promising. The downside is they are as much as a T2 so I'm just going to buy a T2 and save the weight for my money. Holosuns continue to fail over the long term and their battery ratings at a near invisible outside of a dark room setting 6 out of 12 are hilarious, but I don't hate them as a budget option for range toys where durability doesn't matter.

              Also you aren’t getting fast follow up shots with a micro red dot, because the dot wanders out of the FOV even the gun kicks

              On a 300RUM sure, but not most things people are putting red dots on.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                good balanced opinion

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                heard someone else mention buttons.In their experience with that type switch the rubber usually wears off
                thx for info. will do a little reading then go to LGS.
                Want to IRL see what 20mm vs 24 or 30 is like and field of view MOA, then buy and onto the range.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I just don't like buttons in areas they get banged around. My RMR buttons are all pretty scared up from rubbing gear, barricades, or holsters and I hate it when they get bumped to a different setting (at least + is body side for a right hander so they tend to get bumped up instead of down). I haven't had any buttons fail, but I have decided I prefer not to have buttons on the side if given the choice for positive control through another means.
                >Want to IRL see what 20mm vs 24 or 30 is like
                Do so and think about how you are going to use the sight. For just a flash sight picture and looking for red on a nearby target the small windows like on the Duty and Micros don't matter much and usually help since the housing is obscures less of the target. The larger tube/window sights are better for when you want to actually look through the window at distant /smaller targets or under NV when things aren't just close enough you should just be point shooting or using active illumination anyway.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            trying to decide on price point, but leaning away from top tier ( 900 up ) more. the prices you mentioned.
            do want NV eventually. But that is a "save up for " purchase. Not sure if thermal 1st . But in most engagements seems to make target really pop.

            Just buy a fucking T2 and be done with it.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Also you aren’t getting fast follow up shots with a micro red dot, because the dot wanders out of the FOV even the gun kicks

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    People just trust them

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    bigger window, supposedly more durable, and all the other stuff people mentioned. However, one thing I didn’t see mentioned was the fact that the battery used is different.
    There are claims that some organizations buy these because of the fact that they use a AAA battery. If you’re going to a very undeveloped part of the world, this option might be a good idea as AAA is far more common in those places than CR123 and CR2032.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    price

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >batteries

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