What is the most mediocre cartridge

What is the most mediocre cartridge

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    honestly?
    12ga
    theres literally tons of better rounds that can do the job, but so many guns were chambered it in that it became standard

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yeah for me it had a real circular pattern so it was fun and all, and you could hunt with it... just don't know if it would be the best load if you like or need to stretch out shot like that.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      9mm

      20g is superior for everything except for buckshot and high-altitude waterfowl

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How does 20ga have any advantages beyond gun weight and recoil which are for manlets?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >gun weight and recoil
          If you ever actually spent a whole weekend lugging around your shotgun while running dogs through cornfields to find pheasants, you'd understand how much of an advantage the lighter gun& recoil are. Can also carry more shells more easily, which again is great when upland hunting all day and not being near the car to restock on shells

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >a whole weekend lugging around your shotgun
            I dothat and I want the superior gun which is a 12g. I lift weights so it's not a problem for me.
            Why would you return to your truck for more ammo instead of wearing a backpack? just to adhere to the fud uniform? kinda pathetic, anon.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >ammo instead of wearing a backpack
              You can… still carry more 20g in the backpack than you can 12g anon. Nice stock photo numbnuts

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i don't think you go bird hunting because i can carry 5x more 12g ammo in a backpack than i shoot on a great hunting day
                >Nice stock photo numbnuts
                nu-friend - it's to illustrate the fud uniform that i wouldn't be caught dead wearing. welcome to PrepHole btw

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Tell me more

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you should man up and carry a 12g and a backpack

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              i don't think you go bird hunting because i can carry 5x more 12g ammo in a backpack than i shoot on a great hunting day
              >Nice stock photo numbnuts
              nu-friend - it's to illustrate the fud uniform that i wouldn't be caught dead wearing. welcome to PrepHole btw

              you should man up and carry a 12g and a backpack

              dude your a fricking moron if your not shooting a punt gun. i can carry like 5000 charges because i'm not a weak manlet like you are. man up. work on you're lift up game.
              >pic rel, me, with my punt gun, that i use for all my hunting in the field.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Punt guns are supposed to be mounted on boats. Why aren't you carrying a boat around, you DYEL pussy?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you pathetic peasant.
                My gun carrier and ammo loader do this for me.
                I don't have to walk, I'm being carried by 4 Bantu.

                at 5 o clock you sister awaits my wiener.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >9mm
        disappointed it took /k/ this many posts to reach the correct answer

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      how can a round so huge and so heavy have such mediocre power?

      I mean can you imagine any other round that's also huge, heavy, and has mediocre power?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >how can a round so huge and so heavy have such mediocre power?
        Low pressure
        >I mean can you imagine any other round that's also huge, heavy, and has mediocre power?
        .45-70

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          12ga is very similar in power to black powder muzzle loaders. You can even get buck and ball shotshells that act as a pretty damn good analog to the musket load.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Sorry I don't speak section 8 felon

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              What the frick are you talking about Anon?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        i want the opposite of that.
        i want a round that's small, light, and almost powerful enough to make your gun explode.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          .17 Remington (not to be confused with the other .17 caliber Remington round, .17 fireball) can get absurdly fast, legends tell of hand loaders cracking 5k FPS.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Mach 4.6
            Nice

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Finally someone has balls. I will take shit all day about how .17 is bullshit, how you can't hunt whitetails even at Mach 3, even the slander about accuracy beyond 200 yards; it simply glides off my cerebrum, as I have no gyri.
            My brain is built for nothing but seeing tiny shards of metal going at speeds beyond what man reasonably can - much less should - make them go. It is easy to make a missile go Mach 5. It is harder to make a 20mm shell do that.
            It is nothing short of inspiring to make a 17 grain (1.1g) needle go at Mach 5. 5.0M. The powder is more than an of magnitude heavier than the bullet. The waste is monumental. The chamber pressure is enough to make your hunting rifle's barrel into a grenade. You need a chamber so wide, so overbuilt, that you extend the barrel as to have a reasonable center of mass. You're already losing half your gas to the aether, disappearing faster than the actual bullet, which is now in an orbit around Earth as the bullet itself begins to glow red, orange, and finally white.

            I am moronic; this much I will admit. My dick only hardens when it sees the simple pleasure of watching the target being turned into swiss cheese, except I can't even see the hole. My guns are neither practical nor responsible, and yet I find them greater in value to my own life than the simple shotgun, rifle, or pistol. These are guns that spit in the face of such concerns. They are the greatest expression of human spite, towards the very advantage that allowed us so great a world - all our own, emperors of dirt.

            https://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2017/04/17-incinerator-ultimate-varmint-cartridge-with-mach-5-speed/

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >from the website

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              https://i.imgur.com/n3VfQ27.png

              >from the website

              MAKE IT GO FASTER

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          220 swift

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >220 swift
            No. .220Swift and .264WinMag were ahead of thier time, not mediocre.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          .30 super carry godly for this, smaller than 9mm with the same power, tradeoff is nobody fricking uses it

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        12 bore is for shooting birds anon. Its entire purpose is to chuck as much lead into the air at the power level necessary to bring down a pheasant, and not dome the guy in the next field over.
        Everything else is a function of people with one gun coping.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you haven't been shooting 3.5 in shells

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      name a better round to prove you aren't just a "why don't we le bring 10ga back???" hipster homosexual

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        16ga, b***h

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i kinda wonder if somebody will finally make a modern high pressure shotshell
      HK experimented with a belted brass cased ammo with tungsten buckshot but it went nowhere

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >i kinda wonder if somebody will finally make a modern high pressure shotshell
        A high pressure .70 caliber +3 inch shell is going to be very similar to an elephant gun round, which already exist.
        It'd be cool, it'd be fun to see 2000fps shot or whatever too, but there's just not enough demand.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fair. I love my 12 gauge but I won’t deny the cartridge’s claim to fame is being ok enough at every role that you use it for convenience.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It does everything and does it kind of well. The round is worth having

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    5.7

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      5.7 isn't mediocre, it's bad. .22 magnum is mediocre.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Weak b8

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What is the most mediocre cartridge
    quite seriously, 5.56mm or 7.62 x 39 both shit for radioactive conscripts

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    40S&W. Does literally nothing well and loved by weak-wristed bootlickers everywhere.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Hey I shoot 40 sw. Frick you but you're actually sort of right

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >.40 bad because weak-wristed bootlickers
      I bet you shoot 9mm.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you have a gun that was actually designed for it (like a USP40), the +p and +p+ stuff isn't bad - the latter from Buffalo Bore gets results equaling mid level 10mm.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't think .40 is mediocre, I just don't think it needs to exist. Should've just kept is a "light 10mm" load. Having light and heavy loads for a given cartridge is not uncommon.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    .380 acp is the definition of mediocrity.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's got the stopping power of a .32 and the ammo capacity of a 9mm
      It's a fricking terrible caliber

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    25 45 or 224 valkyrie
    cartridges famous for about a year the. forgotten

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    9x18. Don't get me wrong, I love my Mak. But, 9x18 is just a marginally stronger 380. Still worse than 9x19. Ballistically, it doesn't reach the point where it's better to swap to hp over just fmj ice picking someone for penetration concerns. Ammo is more expensive than 380. Guns chambered for it are limited to commiebloc and friends. You won't find it in stores.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >You won't find it in stores.
      Yes I will, my LGS carries at least a case of Norinco green box 9mm Mak and sells it for like $0.20/cpr
      But to your point, yeah it's pretty weak. It's objectively worse than the cartridge it replaced (which was based as frick, 7.62x25mm is underrated)

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Makarovs are bad pistols, they're only good for STALKER larp and opening bottles. They were designed to look good in a holster and occasionally shoot somebody in the back of the head, not to be good firearms.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    9x19
    >5.7 beats it in capacity
    >380 beats it in size, not even mentioning how small 32s, 25s, and 22s can get
    >22 mogs it in cost
    >10mm and even 40 s&w mog it in terms of muzzle energy, penetration, expansion, and basically every metric that can empirically measure effectiveness
    >45 kicks its ass in subsonic performance (though 9 is quieter)
    The only thing it has going for it is its ubiquity and diversity of firearms. Otherwise it's just very mediocre as a fullsize handgun round, though it can fit into smaller guns than 45 or 10mm so it can challenge 380s niche in small guns

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      .300 Blackout outside of 100 yards.

      Complete homosexual opinion.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >wristlet opinion

        >t. Terminal ballisticslet
        Anyone who ever brings up muzzle energy have demonstrated that they have no idea what they're talking about.
        https://nebula.wsimg.com/d0ba783a795f1cef262aa1027d14a092?AccessKeyId=6BF38C5AD5E3222E4D9B&disposition=0&alloworigin=1

        Okay, just ignore the rest of how 40 and 10mm shit on 9mm. No, 9mm isn't just as good as 10mm and I'm fricking terminally ill of that copium. It's perfectly mediocre, perhaps that alone makes it acceptable to so many, but to drag down objectively superior rounds by calling them "just as good" shows how little you truly understand

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Did you read that link at all? 10mm can outperform 9mm in a vacuum, IF using the screwdriver rounds. 9x25 even moreso, but it has frickall to do with energy.
          The only way you're killing someone is with CNS damage or organ failure, which most 10mm loads are just about interchangeable with 9mm.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >t. Terminal ballisticslet
      Anyone who ever brings up muzzle energy have demonstrated that they have no idea what they're talking about.
      https://nebula.wsimg.com/d0ba783a795f1cef262aa1027d14a092?AccessKeyId=6BF38C5AD5E3222E4D9B&disposition=0&alloworigin=1

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >5.7 beats it in capacity
      That's all 5.7 has on 9mm
      >380 beats it in size, not even mentioning how small 32s, 25s, and 22s can get
      Have you ever tried shooting anything chambered in .380? They're almost all pocket rockets with zero accuracy
      >22 mogs it in cost
      The next words out of your mouth will be ".22 bounces around inside the skull" frick off boomer
      >10mm and even 40 s&w mog it in terms of muzzle energy, penetration, expansion, and basically every metric that can empirically measure effectiveness
      .50AE beats all of the above in all metrics, why not shill for that
      >45 kicks its ass in subsonic performance (though 9 is quieter)
      The only reason to buy a .45 is because you wanted one or you plan to suppress it, 9mm beats it in cost alone. If someone is going to take a 9 standing they'll also take .45 standing you stupid fricking boomer shill. 9mm is the gold standard pistol cartridge for a reason but that went over your head because you are too busy trying to suck your own wiener.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The only reason to buy a .45 is because you wanted one or you plan to suppress it
        Or load it hot. In ACP brass you've got safe loads that keep pace with run of the mill 10mm just fine, and with super brass you have loads that shit all over 10mm.
        9x19's whole strength is mediocrity. It's a mediocre round that mediocre shooters can get the job done with.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It depends on the 5.7 ammo. With the right loads it outperforms 9mm and 10mm in PWC, penetration, and with aforementioned correct loadings you get enough velocity even out of a 5" barrel for cavitation.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >All cartridges beat 9mm in one category, but no more.
      But 9mm beats every other in multiple categories.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They hated him because he told the truth.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      braindead post

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >.40

    There are plenty other limp wristed calibers for women to qualify on not ultimately at the expense of properly loaded 10mm

    >.308

    M-14 never ought've been adopted if there wasn't seditious shinanegans in Ordinance Dept., and subsequently British .280 would have stood the West in good stead as a universal round (in FALs) even in 'Nam.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >never ought've
      Limey frick detect-o-meter needle pegged, bent.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    .41 Magnum. I fricking hate that cartridge.
    >Barely less powerful than .44 Magnum so felt recoil is the same.
    >If handgun recoil bothers you then man the frick up.
    >.44 Magnum can be loaded down to .41 Magnum levels or pushed beyond anything .41 Magnum is capable of.
    >Only available in large-frame revolvers like the N-frame so it offers zero advantages for carrying.
    It’s fricking useless and there’s a good reason nobody makes guns chambered in it and it’s never in stock. The fans of it will endlessly cope no matter what you tell them. Watch, I guarantee one dumb frick will reply this post trying to prove me wrong. Elmer Kieth was a great man but this was his biggest frick-up.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It was supposed to be "10mm Revolver". Damn near idenical performance to 10mm Auto.
      Problem is people decided to go all US Army small arms procurement. There's some sort of very American moronation that causes people to reject the easy option of a happy medium in favour of constantly fricking around with increasingly stupid copes.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >It was supposed to be “10mm Revolver”
        How the frick is .41 Magnum “supposed to be 10mm Revolver” when it came out in ‘64 and 10mm Auto didn’t come out until ‘83? If anything it’s the other way around, but that’s a bullshit statement because
        >Damn near identical performance to 10mm Auto
        Holy fricking shit you’ve never shot them you fricking Black. The hottest 10mm Auto loads on the market barely have more KE than the weakest .41 Magnum loads. .41 Magnum has way more potential and stomps all over 10mm Auto when gassed up. Google it.
        >Problem is people decided to go all US Army small arms procurement
        What? Fricking what? Neither .357 Magnum nor .44 Magnum were adopted by the military. What the frick are you talking about?
        >There’s some sort of very American moronation that causes people to reject the easy option of a happy medium in favor of constantly fricking around with increasingly stupid copes.
        I don’t know if you’re under the influence or have been sucking too much Black person penis lately but I don’t understand your point here. You wanna know what’s a stupid cope? Calling the .41 Magnum a “happy medium.” The easy option is to download .44 Magnum to a level a skinny b***h-wrist can handle or crank it up and utilize the full-power American exceptionalism inherent in the cartridge.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >autist unable to comprehend metaphors
          >more news at 11

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Syphilis-ridden Black person-brain can’t formulate argumentative points in a more comprehensive manner
            I’m going to bed. have a nice day.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Keith wrote in his Guns and Ammo column in the early sixties that he had been approached by many in the law enforcement community about the need for a better police cartridge. Bill Jordan was one of them, suggesting a forty-caliber revolver round launching a 200-grain lead semi-wadcutter (SWC) at around 1,200 fps.
              >They spoke with leadership from S&W, Colt, Ruger, and Remington about the concept. By that time, Keith thought that the cartridge should be offered in two levels: A cast or swaged (plain lead or copper coated) SWC moving at 1,100 FPS for urban law enforcement use, and; A jacketed soft point (JSP) loaded to 1,400-1,500 FPS for rural and anti-vehicle applications.
              The original Norma spec 10mm load was 200 grain FMJ at 1200 fps, which the proposed .41 mag police load would've been almost identical to. Hence why other anon said it was like 10mm revolver. It didn't end up that way because Remington thought it needed to be hot-rodded to sell, which is why it was a lot closer to .44 instead of in the middle.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm glad somebody gets it.
                >knowledgeable people keep coming to the same conclusions throughout history
                >noooo we're shitters, we can't handle that
                >nooo we're morons, we need something bigger for meme reasons
                And that's why everything is moronic and we have calibre wars.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Finally a decent fricking answer. Here’s the problem, through: a .44 Magnum cartridge can still easily achieve the specified 200gr at 1200fps called for in the original .41 Magnum design. Hell, if you’re worried about flashing in the Magnum case then just use .44 Special and copy the Skeeter Skelton load. It has been my experience from shooting .41 Magnum that it does tend to fly flatter at long range, but for a self-defense cartridge those distances where that matters will statistically never be seen.

                The other problem is that .41 Magnum was never designed for any smaller revolver sizes. Speaking purely of cartridge dimensions here, not the revised higher-pressure loads, it’s too big to fit in a K-frame and L-frames didn’t exist yet (it would barely fit in those too), so you’re stuck with the N-frame sized revolver which you could just have chambered in light .44 Magnum rounds. It’s a pointless solution looking for a problem that didn’t exist.

                I'm sorry sir, I'm afraid it's terminal. Here's your complimentary bribe from SIG USA.

                Take your bribe from NIG USA and frick yourself with it

                Frick you. It's based

                Tongue my unwiped butthole, Black person

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes dumbass, idiots fricked up the implementation as per usual. The round as conceived was fine to the point that the same damn thing was done 20 years later and everyone agrees it's the cat's breasts, everything you're complaining about is derived from your own "may as well go .44" attitude.
                If they hadn't fricked it up, somebody would have made the gun to go with it. Same problem with 30SC, nice round with no gun, may as well stick with 9mm.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The round was conceived by gunwriters who always seem to have a knack for coming up with nebulous, redundant cartridges and firearms that don’t do anything that other cartridges or firearms can’t do better. I respect Bill Jordan and Elmer Keith but even the concept “as originally intended” was, once again, a pointless solution looking for a problem, same with .327 Magnum and every other fricking round that comes out and goes nowhere, leaving sub-70 IQ fanboys like you to cope over it.
                >Idiots fricked up the implementation as per usual
                I’m not talking about the implementation, I’m talking about the original fricking specifications you put in your post you cum-sucking Black person.
                >the same damn thing was done 20 years later and everyone agrees it’s the cat’s breasts
                If you place limits on historical context and only talk about the initial .41 Magnum Police-load then yes, you can argue that it and 10mm Auto are “the same damn thing,” but the reality is that as history played out .357 Magnum and 10mm Auto are equals, not 10mm Auto and .41 Magnum. And not everyone agreed that 10mm Auto was “the cat’s breasts” until within the past 10 fricking years when people stopped being limp-wristed b***hes. Pick up a fricking book and learn firearm history before you ever post here again.
                >Everything you’re complaining about is derived from your own “may as well go .44” attitude.
                You still haven’t provided any actual reasons why this isn’t the correct attitude to have other than b***hing and moaning about “P-people just have to have extremes!” Do you have an ounce of testosterone in your body?
                >If they hadn’t fricked it up, somebody would have made the gun to go with it.
                Really? Smith & Wesson would’ve made an entirely new frame design for one specific cartridge that was only adopted by two police departments AFTER everyone had already ditched the N-frame revolvers for K-frames in .357 Magnum that got the job done just fine? Really?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That reminds me, I need to watch Idiocracy again.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You could get the same result looking in a mirror. The dubs in your digits are a sign from God tell you what caliber you really ought to be shooting. Now go frick yourself and stop replying to me.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I still need to call you a pussy for chickening out on .454 Casull.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You can suck both of my nuts and guzzle my cum because I’ve got this big hoss right here. I still want a .454 pretty bad though.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Everyone who has ever said LE IDIOCRACY WAS A HECKIN DOCUMENTARY should unironically be sent to a concentration camp

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The round was conceived by gunwriters who always seem to have a knack for coming up with nebulous, redundant cartridges and firearms that don’t do anything that other cartridges or firearms can’t do better. I respect Bill Jordan and Elmer Keith but even the concept “as originally intended” was, once again, a pointless solution looking for a problem, same with .327 Magnum and every other fricking round that comes out and goes nowhere, leaving sub-70 IQ fanboys like you to cope over it.
                >Idiots fricked up the implementation as per usual
                I’m not talking about the implementation, I’m talking about the original fricking specifications you put in your post you cum-sucking Black person.
                >the same damn thing was done 20 years later and everyone agrees it’s the cat’s breasts
                If you place limits on historical context and only talk about the initial .41 Magnum Police-load then yes, you can argue that it and 10mm Auto are “the same damn thing,” but the reality is that as history played out .357 Magnum and 10mm Auto are equals, not 10mm Auto and .41 Magnum. And not everyone agreed that 10mm Auto was “the cat’s breasts” until within the past 10 fricking years when people stopped being limp-wristed b***hes. Pick up a fricking book and learn firearm history before you ever post here again.
                >Everything you’re complaining about is derived from your own “may as well go .44” attitude.
                You still haven’t provided any actual reasons why this isn’t the correct attitude to have other than b***hing and moaning about “P-people just have to have extremes!” Do you have an ounce of testosterone in your body?
                >If they hadn’t fricked it up, somebody would have made the gun to go with it.
                Really? Smith & Wesson would’ve made an entirely new frame design for one specific cartridge that was only adopted by two police departments AFTER everyone had already ditched the N-frame revolvers for K-frames in .357 Magnum that got the job done just fine? Really?

                >but even the concept “as originally intended” was, once again, a pointless solution looking for a problem
                There was a problem though. People wanted something with more stopping power than .357 but less than .44

                > a .44 Magnum cartridge can still easily achieve the specified
                But then you're using a longer round that isn't using an efficient amount of powder relative to the room in the case.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >What is .44 Special

                they were right, because 10mm actually makes a pretty good revolver round

                It does but rimless cartridges in revolvers are an offense to God

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                they were right, because 10mm actually makes a pretty good revolver round

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >How the frick is .41 Magnum “supposed to be 10mm Revolver” when it came out in ‘64
          Because it's a 10.4mm bullet originally specced for 210gr at about 1300fps.
          >Holy fricking shit you’ve never shot them you fricking Black. The hottest 10mm Auto loads on the market barely have more KE than the weakest .41 Magnum loads
          Because of the aforementioned Ordnance Corps Brain Deficiency Syndrome.

          >autist unable to comprehend metaphors
          >more news at 11

          That's not me btw. Get yourself checked for OCBDS.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Right, and my wiener is a 50mm rod originally specced at 12 inches deep for 6 hours inside your mother. Get yourself checked for a dent in your skull from my bellend.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I'm sorry sir, I'm afraid it's terminal. Here's your complimentary bribe from SIG USA.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          mutt's law
          >t. american

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Frick you. It's based

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Try the .41 GNR. REAL MAN rounds.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    .30 Carbine.
    It sits between handgun rounds and rifle rounds, and not in a good way.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is the first true mediocre cartridge mentioned itt. After 9mak...

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah but the M1 Carbine is legitimately an amazing rifle, which makes up for it

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Another example of burgers coming up with something amazing then fricking it up.

        They made a mass issue intermediate caliber carbine in motherfricking WW2, everyone loved it, and then the entire concept got shelved for half a century until the M4 because some brainlets in procurements thought that a glorified competition shooting rifle with a giggle switch (the M14) was the right choice for the US GI.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have a real answer
    >pic related

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Good answer.
      >boomers like .45
      >boomers don't like new things or plastic
      >here's a new .45 for your plastic gun, boomers!

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Kinda going the other direction here for .45 Rowland. Just blah, meh.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is what I came here for.
      This fricking bullshit sucks so bad it’s unreal. I bought into the meme before I found out about how sad the ammo situation is.

      If you buy ammo from fn or spear through LE channels or whatever you can get the real ammo but any bought off the shelf in the consooooomer realm is cucked so it avoids being counted as armor piercing handgun ammo.

      ITS THE WHOLE POINT LIKE FRICK ME.
      Asking literally anyone what the advantage is to 5.7 they will either say they don’t know what that is or that it beats some armor that 9mm fails at, without realizing that consumer 5.7 barely goes a few hundred fps faster than consumer 9mm.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Can you not load your own ammo?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        badly mogs 5.7 and it's 9mm
        like regular ol 9mm

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Copper solids in 5.7 that are totally civilian legal will punch straight through IIIA kevlar.

        A ten second youtube search would have told you this.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    .40Short & Weak

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Hahaha, how original! Wow, that's sooo funny! Gosh, are you on your? I would pay to see your comedy humor jokes, lol out loud!! Haha!

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    M855, 57-N-231

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    5.45x18

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the case looks like it should be going faster
      that's not even hot .22lr speed

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Hence why it is such shit.
        A few years ago a wierdo was spamming /k/ for a few days about how it should be more popular, and I made a bunch of memes that I've had no reason to post since.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I remember that, it was fun.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That is not mediocre,it is just bad.I never thought i would see a "modern" cartridge being beaten so soundly by .380 ACP.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Completely forgot about that cartridge. What the frick were they thinking when they made something barely more powerful than .22lr out of a short barrel? Next question is how did they even frick it up that bad

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    many mediocre rounds ITT but 12ga 9mm 5.56 and 308 are actually good

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you should man up and carry a 12g and a backpack

      truth.

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    7.62x39
    >the katana of calibers
    >hyped up as the strongest wunderwaffe round by fuddlore and vidya
    >weighs almost as much as 7.62x51 but is less lethal than 5.56
    >"it wins wars" in which its users took disproportionate losses and only fought their own people after the US already left
    >have to buy the best unobtanium overpriced softpoint ammo to fragment like the plainest 55gr 5.56
    >"it's better in short barrels" translation: it has shit velocity in all lengths so you gain nothing with long ones
    >stopped by fricking kevlar pasgts in gulf war
    >"muh barrier penetration" meme because it breaks a cinderblock after 29 rounds instead of 30

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It has more energy than 5.56, but thanks to its higher inertia and lower speed, it tends to remain stable within the target and carries its energy through the target instead of depositing it.
      Also, cross section is important for armor penetration. It underperforms against armor due to having intermediate energy on a diameter better suited for full-power cartridges.
      7.62x39 performs best at close range on soft targets with hollow points or hunting rounds designed to maximize expansion and better utilize its slightly higher energy.

      Basically, it overpenetrates people and underpenetrates objects without the right ammo. Your point about specialist ammo is correct, but that doesn't necessarily make it mediocre. It is still a cheap, and widespread round that can get the job done. And it's a pleasure to shoot as well. Lacking, but far from being the MOST mediocre.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        So what I'm getting here is that it's the ideal round for shooting into a crowd.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Counterpoint: AK's are fun to shoot

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'd argue that having good barrier penetration while utilizing a shorter barrel still makes it good for fighting innacity or in dense jungle/forest. 5.56 & 5.45 mogs it in an open field though. I wouldn't feel undergunned if I was consripted to an eastern bloc shithole and got handed an AKM, you just need to understand it's limitations.

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    5.7 case has 0 taper so it will never feed reliably from normal magazines
    velocity is the same as 7.62x25 just minus half the bullet
    steel jacket/core x25 punches 3a just fine without a pointed bullet

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I am extremely skeptical of that and of the availability of such ammo. Why else would so many options be developed and explored? Especially by the east

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        there was a load with aa#9 that shot over 1900fps at the same pressure as the Czech ammo that goes 1650 fps
        you can buy ammo off shelf that does 1700
        it says to only shoot it in the cz52 but testing has since shown the Tok is stronger than the cz52.
        but we should design an even tougher double stack pistol, like the CZ without the flaws. the roller lock is super cool, it just breaks in some other spot.
        all the steel jacket/core stuff busts 3a even at 1400

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          7.62x25 will never be good since all the guns that shoot it are single stack Soviet relics of questionable reliability and build quality, 5.7 is this century’s 7.62x25, cope.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            why did we make a worse version for this century
            even 22tcm with solid copper hollow points would outperform it

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Revolutionized small arms but simultaneously hobbled its adopting military through two world wars.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How can one country be so innovative and groundbreaking yet so unbelievably moronic

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >have rifles with an 8-round tube magazine
        >it's not working out, takes too long to reload
        >replace it with a rifle with a 3-round enbloc clip

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >squirrels will not make it
    IDGAF what boomers say nothing smaller than an elephant is taking a hit from a piece of metal to the noggin at 5000fps and walking it off.

    Obviously range would be an issue though. Small rounds lose FPS faster.

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    380 is pretty mediocre now that you have tiny 9mms like the P365 and the CSX that are roughly the same size but are just flat out better in terms of ballistic effectiveness. And if you really want to minimize size, mouseguns like 25, 22, and 32 beat it handily in that regard. What's more, past a certain point guns get too small to be reasonably held. What I'm saying is unless you like 3 finger grips 380s tend to suck to shoot. Really all 380 has going for it is that a lot of guns chambered in it are cheap. It really just doesn't do anything special, especially if you consider 30 SC

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      me and my bro shooting eachother with our new ptrs

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    22lr

    It makes perfect sense why historically it is the way it is but with just some slight tweaks you could have a cartridge that costs just 10% more but performs much better.

    The caliber is good
    Remove the heeled bullet and make it a normal type, add a shoulder and increase the diameter of the case by 1 or 2 mm. Now you have a cartridge that has the case capacity to load a good charge to push the bullet to some actual velocities and works much better in magazines and you can load actual good bullets into and not some heeled garbage.

    I guess the result would be more or less .22 Hornet but with rimfire and shorter cases.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They already made exactly what you describe, it's called .22ILARCO.

      >I guess the result would be more or less .22 Hornet
      How would a shortened .22wmr magically out-perform .22wmr? .22Hornet has 3x the case volume of the ILARCO and is twice as long, what are you smoking?

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    OP your pic is rel: 6.5 grendel and 6mm ARC. Gimped by AR maglength, too thick to stack through an AR magwell so the mags are full of fricking air.

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    4.6. HK's proprietary round for its dogshit MP7, lost against the superior 5.7, P90 and FN57 and threw a hissy fit like the germutt clitties they are. They can’t breed and compete

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    .38 Smith and Wesson
    Oh sorry, I thought this was the Most Underrated Cartridge thread

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    .30-30/7.62x51r
    What a fricking joke. Out of all the old transitional cartridges, why did that piece of shit continue on. .30-40 krag fricking spanked .30-30 and existed for longer.

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It tried to do some unique stuff but probably the most mediocre experience ive had overall

  30. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    unironically 95% of calibers are stupid fads which shouldn't even exist. If you've got .17, .22, 556, 308, 300 win mag, .375 hh,.45-70, .50, 9mm, 10mm, .44mag, 12g, 20g you have way more than enough options for anything around.. if you start talking about crew served and larger weapons a few more make sense.

    300 BO, .40, and 16g get my vote for dumbest somewhat popular calibers.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What do I need 20g for?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        For to kill tree rats

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I use my 22LR for that

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Larry dindu nuttin man
          leave the little homie alone

          https://i.imgur.com/YjQISGn.jpeg

          >Be perfect round
          >Military invents 223 for some reason

          anon please don't make me cry

  31. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >.50 AE
    but it's not mediocre in meme cartridge metrics, so my real answer is .22 short
    >can kill varmint like a really good pellet gun
    >shit ballistics
    >versatile and easy to design around
    >awful to cycle
    >cheap and small enough to plink with
    >surprisingly hard to find, negating that advantage
    just get any other cartridge. Doesn't matter if you're going to .17 HMR or .243, any direction of power away from this middle ground of absolutely forgetable characteristics has SOMETHING they're good at.
    Instead you get a round too slow to be accurate, but too fast to shoot indoors without lead poisoning. Too cheap to be worth looking for, too rare to actually find at a good price when you are. Too easy to design around that most guns using it are built like shit. It's a nothing caliber. It's the thing you dream about and watch disappear within five seconds after getting out of bed. Except you don't dream about it, because you don't remember shooting it.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >but it's not mediocre in meme cartridge metric
      50AE
      Not the most powerful Handgun round
      Not the most powerful auto handgun round
      Doesn't beat armor

      Those are all the relevant meme characteristics.

  32. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Be perfect round
    >Military invents 223 for some reason

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Somebody said "I carry a .222 because they don't make a .223" and that pissed off Eugene Stoner so much that he invented a new caliber

  33. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I am OP I am just right I said the answer is M855
      Go ahead and start telling me how not mediocre M855 is

  34. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      At that point in time they would have been using 40 s&w.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Depends on the city/state, there was a mix of adoption in general.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Fair but that was silicon valley wasn't it? I'd assume their PD would be well equipped.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            honestly I'm not 100% sure, about both(it being in silicon valley, or if SVPD had fully swapped to 40 at that time) so not going to say either way kek.

  35. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Rimfires in general since they are way less reliable than centerfires. If there were a centerfire version of the .22 magnum and a double action only revolver that uses it, I'd grab them.

  36. 4 weeks ago
    JohnsonFonDon

    .25 acp. there is no reason for it to exist. Infact, I wouldnt even say its mediocre, its complete shit. .25 acp is the only round I have ever seen fail to penetrate a dogs skull. .22LR has better penetration with higher velocities. You could step up and carry .32 acp which is better than .380.
    but no. .25 ACP still exists and some morons, mainly Black folk, still carry it.

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