What is the counter for these?

Does NATO even have a counter? what will happen the next time US forces are fighting some rag tag group in a random 'istan' country, and China ships them millions of drones?

Jamming doesn't seem to be working for either side in Ukraine. Is there a solution yet, or are they OP until the meta is updated.

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why are you basing your knowledge off of a fight between two 2nd world nations?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That is not an answer.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It is. You're basing your knowledge of fights on Bruce Lee Vs Mike tyson. We already know who would win in that instance but now you're adding some schlomo to the mix

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >the meta
    Oh look, a homosexual zoomer

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ok Black person

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    shotguns with turkey loads.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Too skill dependent. Would require someone to scan the skies at all times, and be able to hit a drone moving at 100+mph Also would fail once your up against 2 or more drones.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        install aimbot

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      qads are slow and low range - to mass current tech ones into swarm needs lots of operators close by - perfect invitation for express atacms delivery
      ai controlled swarms that can travel long distances will be different but those will be expensive and not something some rag tag group in *istan will be able to support logistically - and still can be shreded effectively by cold war relics like gepard

      A system where high precision spag can be alerted to the real-time position of enemy drones, where the call out can be checked against the known position of friendly drones. Infantry would be able to call them in, other drones would be able to call them in, vehicles would be able to call them in.

      https://news.lockheedmartin.com/2023-10-10-US-Army-Selects-Lockheed-Martin-to-Deliver-300-kW-class-Solid-State-Laser-Weapon-System

      Keep in mind a 10kw laser has a range of a mile, so a 300kw laser can shoot down a fricking plane. Missiles, drones, artillery shells, mortar shells, all can be vaporized in milliseconds.

      https://i.imgur.com/SApyoe4.jpeg

      >What is the counter for these?
      Integrated air defense, both hard- and soft-kill systems

      IN THE NEAR FUTURE THE COMMANDER AND HIS TANK WILL HAVE RELIABLE AND AUTONOMOUS HARDKILL DEFENCE AGAINST INFANTRY AND DRONES. THE COMMANDER BEING ABLE TO OVVERRIDE AND USE THE WEAPON MANUALLY FOR TASKS. AUTOMATICALLY TRACKING AND ITEMIZING DRONES, BIRDS, MOON, SUN AND CLOUDS. CALCULATING VELOCITY, RANGE, ENGAGEMENT WINDOW, AND THREAT LEVEL. DECIDING WHAT TO HIT FIRST AND WHAT TO HIT LAST FOR THE LEAST AMOUNT AMMUNITION SPENT. THIS WILL REPLACE ISRAELS TROPHY SYSTEM AND OTHER PRIMITIVE APS SYSTEMS.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        btfo whole thread

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        what kind of APS can shoot down the moon?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous
        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          super laser piss

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >MOREOVER
        >THE INDIVIDUAL INFANTRYMAN WILL HAVE 'AUGMENTED REALITY' EYE PRO GLASSSES RENDERING NEW FANGLED COMPUTERIZED RIFLE SIGHTS REDUNDANT SUCH THAT INBOUND DRONES WILL BE HIGHLIGHTED ALONG WITH OTHER OBJECTS OF INTREDAST, IN ADDITION TO BEING DESIGNATABLE TO THEIR OWN UNIT AND HIGHER UPS, MARKING POINTS OF INTEREST
        >ALL FACILITATING EXPEDITIOUS ENGAGEMENT OF DRONES BY SMALL ARMS FIRE IN THE EVENT A DEDICATED ANTI-DRONE AIR UNIT IS NOT AVAILABLE IN THE VICINITY

        >NU-TROPHY SYSTEMS WILL BE SO EFFICIENT INFANTRY ANTI-ARMOR WILL HAVE TO DELIVER SENSOR GOOING MATERIAL TO BLIND THEM FIRST; GMO BIONIC BIRDS BRED ON AN INDUSTRIAL SCALE WITH TINY NEURALINK WILL BE KAMIKAZEED IN MASS TO DEPLETE SAID SYSTEMS

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    qads are slow and low range - to mass current tech ones into swarm needs lots of operators close by - perfect invitation for express atacms delivery
    ai controlled swarms that can travel long distances will be different but those will be expensive and not something some rag tag group in *istan will be able to support logistically - and still can be shreded effectively by cold war relics like gepard

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >China ships them millions of drones
    >ships
    How exactly? Drones can't protect logistics.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Same way all the weapons made it to Pakistan. Ships bring them to ports in Pakistan, then they are carried across the border.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >there are no US troops in Paki
        Give a more relevant example.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How will those prevent this?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Jamming doesn't seem to be working for either side in Ukraine

      straight up false. While there are successful strikes, both sides admit in interviews that the majority of drones fail to make it through the jamming screen

      idiot. The little drones of course won't stop the strategic bomber. That is left for the air defense units.

      https://i.imgur.com/j6xCabT.jpeg

      [...]
      [...]
      [...]
      [...]
      IN THE NEAR FUTURE THE COMMANDER AND HIS TANK WILL HAVE RELIABLE AND AUTONOMOUS HARDKILL DEFENCE AGAINST INFANTRY AND DRONES. THE COMMANDER BEING ABLE TO OVVERRIDE AND USE THE WEAPON MANUALLY FOR TASKS. AUTOMATICALLY TRACKING AND ITEMIZING DRONES, BIRDS, MOON, SUN AND CLOUDS. CALCULATING VELOCITY, RANGE, ENGAGEMENT WINDOW, AND THREAT LEVEL. DECIDING WHAT TO HIT FIRST AND WHAT TO HIT LAST FOR THE LEAST AMOUNT AMMUNITION SPENT. THIS WILL REPLACE ISRAELS TROPHY SYSTEM AND OTHER PRIMITIVE APS SYSTEMS.

      STOP YELLING

      Ukraine - Russian debacle has rotten the already low iq brains of most people in this thread.
      >What's the US going to do?
      >What's the fricking US going to do?
      >About shitty short range drones that plop down a grenade?
      >They're going to kill everything the enemy airforce while it's still parked on the ground.
      >It's going to simultaneously decapitate command and control centers across the enemy territory leaving each independent group alone without any cohesion at all.
      >It's going to strike any and all SAM locations that dare to turn on with JAGM's from over the horizon
      >It's going to bomb any groupings of logistics and ground attack vehicles that group up and are sighted by constant AI running on NRO satellites in geosync
      >It's going to constantly jam the airspace above 100m and if you're not using datalink your not hearing anything
      >It's going to destroy any and all depots with precision guided munitions
      >It's going to establish long term loitering picket drones that detect the last bastions of your pathetic resistance that'll be lucky if they can survive long enough to strap an m80 onto a alibaba quadrotor.
      >What's the US going to do? It's going to fricking kill you, your friends, your command, and your shitty joke of a military and it's going to do it faster and from farther away than your monkey brain cells can comprehend.

      the 3000 FPVs of Allah

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >the 3000 FPVs of Allah
        Reddit is down the hall and to the left homosexual.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      by attacking them while on the ground
      the plane cant be in the air 24/7
      the pilots arent in the plane 24/7
      the engineers are required to service them
      if its already in the air, you kinda fricked up

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why do you think the DOD has been investing so much in laser CIWS? These little shits are gonna get roasted by the jillions for the price of some electricity.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      not to mention that it's mostly a navy project from what's been released, meaning they're plugging those things right into the reactor.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bomb the operators from the air and then roll up to their positions in armor and kill them. This is only happening because of the trench stalemate.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Just bomb the guys planting the IEDs on the side of the road, then kill them with armor.

      That didn't work last time, why would it work against drone operators?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >That didn't work last time
        Elaborate. What conflict do you mean?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Even if Afghanistan had contained not one single IED the US still would have left eventually and the same events would have resulted. No amount of counter drone technology and tactics will save you from a failure to root out the insurgency and forge a viable alternative.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        IEDs don't have a radio signal controlling them which is elementary to pinpoint with 40 year old technology let alone modern ECM. Just because two shitpile slav countries have devolved into FPV racing from trench to trench doesn't mean that the HARM concept is not a thing.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Uh, the only thing the US fails at is having the political will to keep killing brownies non-stop until the surviving ones do what they're told and keep doing it, without caring about "civilian" brownie casualties. Militarily it was, is, and will forever be a walkover.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    US don't wage wars on its own territory, so we can leave any moment and double down on supplying Taiwan with dam busters.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A system where high precision spag can be alerted to the real-time position of enemy drones, where the call out can be checked against the known position of friendly drones. Infantry would be able to call them in, other drones would be able to call them in, vehicles would be able to call them in.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    https://news.lockheedmartin.com/2023-10-10-US-Army-Selects-Lockheed-Martin-to-Deliver-300-kW-class-Solid-State-Laser-Weapon-System

    Keep in mind a 10kw laser has a range of a mile, so a 300kw laser can shoot down a fricking plane. Missiles, drones, artillery shells, mortar shells, all can be vaporized in milliseconds.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    DJI is more or less superceded already, as the software to scramble the operators position is very unreliable.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Point a microwave at them and the thing that happens when you put your phone in the microwave happens.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    all fields

    >What is the counter for these?
    dronegays will be conscripted and used as meat shields

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Signal jammers and ECM to filter out the most basic b***h off the shelf drones, and then a mix of counter drones, APKWS, and SPAAGs for the rest until energy weaponry starts to be deployed en masse.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Signal jam(or track and lob a bomb on the operators).
    Soon enough there will be automatic AI targeting systems with heavy duty laser pointers burning them from the skies. There is already prototypes of that in civilian market for killing mosquitos, just scale it up.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    small drones are entirely ineffective against the US military because it has a dedicated and disciplined EWAR strategy.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What is the counter for these?
    Integrated air defense, both hard- and soft-kill systems

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      HAHAHAHAHAHA

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Noo!! You can't just give your light infantry 360-degree EW coverage!
        >Sticking a 30mm autocannon with radar and EOTS sensors on a JLTV is LE BAD!

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm more curious as to how they're gonna be used without attaching weapons.

    Like, what's the counter down the line to a quad that's hovering out of range with a 16k camera being used for recon letting insurgents know every troop movement being made as they're moving?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Have better recon, intel and fire support.

    • 3 weeks ago
      all fields

      Shooting them? Jamming them?
      For that matter, if you're worrying about stuff like that you're way the frick behind the times. Modern doctrine assumes the enemy has basically omniscient realtime information about where everyone is at all times.
      Quadrotors are death traps on an actual modern battlefield because you're basically broadcasting a 'I AM RIGHT HERE PLEASE BOMB ME' signal at all times as the operator. AI driven drones will remain useful but manually operated ones are a complete fricking meme.

      But the answer to the OP's question is; victimize the people running the drones, launching the drones, etc. Small drones have poor range, small payloads, are very vulnerable to E-war, and are slow. Most of these problems are mitigated in a trench warfare style slugging match, but that's not how developed militaries fight their peers. Most drones will die before they're even carried into range to be launched. Most operators will be bombed with standoff weapons before they accomplish anything. Of the ones which make it through, you have severely degraded performance because of E-war + attrition to various SHORDAD options. There's a reason that despite decades of COIN operations in the middle east, very few western troops have been killed by drones, because many of the solutions which were developed to neuter IED effectiveness also serve to neuter drone effectiveness.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Unlike Puccia, NATO has EW that actually works. Why do you think no schizo has ever been able to fly a drone over Area 51?

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ukraine - Russian debacle has rotten the already low iq brains of most people in this thread.
    >What's the US going to do?
    >What's the fricking US going to do?
    >About shitty short range drones that plop down a grenade?
    >They're going to kill everything the enemy airforce while it's still parked on the ground.
    >It's going to simultaneously decapitate command and control centers across the enemy territory leaving each independent group alone without any cohesion at all.
    >It's going to strike any and all SAM locations that dare to turn on with JAGM's from over the horizon
    >It's going to bomb any groupings of logistics and ground attack vehicles that group up and are sighted by constant AI running on NRO satellites in geosync
    >It's going to constantly jam the airspace above 100m and if you're not using datalink your not hearing anything
    >It's going to destroy any and all depots with precision guided munitions
    >It's going to establish long term loitering picket drones that detect the last bastions of your pathetic resistance that'll be lucky if they can survive long enough to strap an m80 onto a alibaba quadrotor.
    >What's the US going to do? It's going to fricking kill you, your friends, your command, and your shitty joke of a military and it's going to do it faster and from farther away than your monkey brain cells can comprehend.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      drones r kinda decentralized mate
      im bloomin still gonna zerg ur SAMs and CIWs till they either run out of money or ammunition then i will bomb the precious airfields where you project power with a 10 thousand dollar drone with 1km range.

      the counter measures to your counter measures are quite simple and the counter measures to those counter measures are still easy to surpass

      its abit like when everyone thought the tank died because of atgms. and then because of drones. the tank can still try! but it will still fail more often than not
      the whole world cannot do what it has already been doing.
      the ukraine war is exhibiting this

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Where exactly are you zerging from mate? The US isn't going to be occupying china or russia anytime soon. It's going to be decapitation campaigns with standoff munitions, stealth fighters and bombers, and loitering recon stuff. You're going to starve before you get close enough to chuck it at something worth it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I don't think the US is invading anyone anytime soon. They had enough of that for a few decades. And by then I'm sure we'll have laser turrets on humvees

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    air power, the same counter as everything else

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    NATO has no counter at all except the U.S. — but not in terms of direct counteracting them on the battlefield but more from just regime-changing your country via air power before drones even have a chance to effect a ground war.

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's all so tiresome. Jamming works fine when you're not a moronic 2nd worlder; and for autonomy HPMs can blast swarms out of the sky at 2km.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This video is showing a drone which I can buy for 200 dollars on temu moving at 15mph laterally.

      2030 is tomorrow and AI will make this thing a massive waste of money that could've been spent developing that's more reliable and cant be overcome by just adapting code.

      China can just as easily mass produce circuits for 2nd worlders as much as they can for first worlders

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's not jamming moron-anon. It's HPM. You can't out-race electromagnetic waves and autonomy doesn't stop it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        HPMs aren't jammers, they literally cook the electronics inside the drone. That's not something you can easily counter in a cost effective manner.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    huh they dropped a fresh one

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >jamming doesn't seem to be working
    thats because neither side has access to decent jammers, just take a look at the Israeli conflict to see what happens when one side actually has decent jammers

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Jamming doesn't seem to be working for either side in Ukraine.
    No shit. Both sides have an update cycle measured in weeks, typically 5-6 weeks for the Ukrainians and 6-8 for the Russians. They manually change frequencies for FPVs and jammers based on what is currently working/being blocked. It's garage hobbyist level.

    For contrast, America was doing software updates to its counter-IED jammers to stop drones overnight in Iraq vs ISIS a decade ago and modern MIC companies like Anduril are shilling real-time signal recognition and jamming across the battle network.

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    The US was dealing with drone and remote IED threats for 20 fricking years. They've gotten very good at developing ECM on the small unit level that takes care of the basic b***h DJI drones.

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Anon, these things have been out for like a decade now, every western military base has atleast several of them

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >sounds
    Those are facts. History doesn't give a frick about your uneducated feels.

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    The cope holy shit. Go hit a drone with another stick ivanov

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There’s some kind of acoustic weapon but I don’t know anything about that

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Current system isn't effective against things which don't exist yet
    That's what future systems are for, anon.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      tbf this is the thinking that got us the F-15
      >we can't just have an answer for the superweapon of today
      >we have to have an answer for the superweapon we just made up!

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Jamming doesn't seem to be working for either side in Ukraine.
    Jamming works in Ukraine for both sides. What the videos don't show are the losses to jamming and hardkill intercepts. The problem with jamming is that it works by making radio unusuable within a particular region around the emitter. That means no radio to communicate with your own forces or receive updates on anything.

    As for what western countries are going to do: it's a combination of jamming, airbursting shells, lasers, and some other interception methods. The sort of thing the Russians should have been using from day one if they knew how to fight a modern war. They didn't because the Russian army is largely aimed inward at the population of Russia, as is the case with most dictatorships.

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Rheinmetall just showed new missile launcher integrated into their Skyranger system, so AHEAD ammo or small missiles for more fancy drones and those cheap Mavic shitboxes will get jammed/lasered/microwaved

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If Chinkstan wants to starve to death, or get their dam blown up, they can gladly do it!

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >It's not real if I don't like it
    This is why thirdies can't fight wars

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Call in the emp killstreak

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What is the counter for these?

    Displacing the operators far enough back to make them impractical, as in deep strikes. Positional warfare is even less acceptable than it was in the inter-World War period: go big or go home. The combat in Ukraine doesn't involve the kind of logistics rape and stealth aircraft SEAD & Feed which the Russians showed themselves to be functionally technological cargo cultists of once political capitulation wasn't forthcoming and their thunder run bluffs overextended beyond their nonexistent supply lines.

    As for Red China-- palletized dumps from cargo planes of shit tons of cruise missiles and drones, 'replicator initiative' or whatever the frick. Beside the fact that Beijing trying anything fricky raises the question "Don't we own them a nuke or two for Covid, and all those PLA/CCP members on the investment and research boards of companies like Moderna?"

    The casualty intolerance of both Western countries and One Child Policy Aftermath Chinamen further increases the danger and temptation of first strike Zero Sum Game gambling, and the unconventional warfare bs to set them up in the mean time. Bases and critical infrastructure have to be hardened immediately against this sort of thing well before going to the trouble of giving infantry drone AA and trophy systems.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Displacing the operators far enough back to make them impractical
      1. You can operate drones using a relay
      2. You can operate drones while being on the move

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    my guess would be signal hijacking
    they do this thing locally where the airport can hijack your control if you leave the safe airspace
    I live like a km away from an airport so they're really strict with airborne shit

  41. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    https://armyrecognition.com/news/army-news/army-news-2024/polish-rosomak-8x8-armored-vehicles-used-in-ukraine-show-high-protection-against-russian-drones-attacks

    Are drones really that big of a problem?

  42. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Jamming doesn't seem to be working for either side in Ukraine
    There's a video with some homosexual named "darwin" that had his drone jammed when he was trying to hit a russian drone team.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >There's a video with some homosexual named "darwin" that had his drone jammed when he was trying to hit a russian drone team.
      He had a drone jammed (possibly). The one after that hit the target anyway. He has 40 drones a day to expend.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Of course jamming works, but the issue is it takes several weeks to retune your jamming frequencies based on the actual reports of what is working and then, of course, when things do get jammed the side works out it is being jammed and changes it. Did you also know not all mortar and artillery shells explode when they land? Better not use them! Point is, nothing is fool proof but objectively it is much harder to jam stuff consistently.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >the issue is that over ukraine and russia take several weeks to retune.
        America takes a day. America is working on AI managed SDRs doing it in seconds.

  43. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Roofs, with dudes underneath operating counter drones. Warfare is officially going robotic. And "buy a shotgun" -stinky Joe Bidet

  44. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >BEEP
    >BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM,BLAM
    >BEEP
    >YEA BUDDEH!

    goes about like that

  45. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Jamming doesn't seem to be working for either side in Ukraine
    because either side's EW is shit
    now ask yourself: why we don't get FPV footage from gaza?

  46. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Jamming doesn't seem to be working for either side in Ukraine
    Because you're only seeimg the successful footage. Neither Russia or Ukraine have a reason to show off a successful interception

  47. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >oh no how will the west ever defeat the technology they created

  48. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >All this talk of jamming tech to counter drones.
    Are we just ignoring the fact that these mean also jamming all our own radio and equipment and making everything more difficult for troops on the ground?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Only if you're a shitty third world army that can only communicate on open channels and don't have encrypted, point to point communications.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >thirdies think everyone is as incompetent as they are
      I don't know what to tell you, anon, but that hasn't been a thing in the Western space for decades.

      >What is the counter for these?

      Those drone operators have families
      Just sayin...

      Russia has proven unable to kill them so far. In fact, the few they have killed have made Ukrainian drone pilots quite motivated.
      Same thing with the power grid in fact. Literal totalitarian nation-states out shitting on larpers' prepper violence fantasies with hard reality.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Almost like raping and killing women and children would elicit a response? I dunno. Targeting very specific parts of Russian oil refinery equipment they can not buy from China is very nice. We (of the west) have been doing this maintenance, so if your magical valve stop working. Sad.

  49. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What is the counter for these?

    Those drone operators have families
    Just sayin...

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