What is the conventional Russian army doing? It seems like what little progress is made is due to PMC Wagner. What's going on?
What is the conventional Russian army doing? It seems like what little progress is made is due to PMC Wagner.
What is the conventional Russian army doing? It seems like what little progress is made is due to PMC Wagner. What's going on?
>Russian army
They got fucked twice in Zaporizhia in January-February, at Vulhedar and barely managed to push back a little on the Kremina-Svatove front.
Their late winter offensive was a complete failure.
>What is the conventional Russian army doing?
Getting beat to shit outside vuhledar.
I explained it ~6 months ago but PrepHoleope is full of redditors now that think reddit headlines are real. Everything I said played out exactly as I said.
Penals and undesirables will be used in the vanguard to take the brunt of casualties. Troops that are half competent will be siphoned off into a reserve of veterans to use later. Heavy reliance on artillery to apply attrition to Ukrainian forces. Russia uses its best troops for cleanup or flanking maneuvers, generally low casualty rate conflict.UAF is American trained and put their best in the vanguard. So quite the opposite of Russia. This is a typical Eastern vs Western dichotomy of organization and it has to do with regime stability but that's another story.
By most neutral observers, it looks like there is maybe 120k Ukrainian casualties and 180k Russian casualties after a year of fighting. Or a ratio of 12:18. This is more sustainable long term for Russia as Putin has 135 million to recruit from and Zelensky has around 25-30 million depending on how many Ukrainians remained.
>So what is the Russian army doing?
gaining veterans while whittling away Ukraine's. This is exactly how Red Army handled the Wehrmacht over the first ~2 years.
I think this is going to end the same way as I said 6 months ago, which is Ukraine will lose Western backers and be forced to capitulate some eastern territory.
ATACMS
Planes
More Himars
JDAM
russians dont know how to flank, you are delusional they cant even do an arty hit right
>I explained it 6 months ago
And russia still hasn't taken bakhmut or made any other significant gains in that time. Lmao.
and as I said 6 months ago, the point isn't Bakhmut, it's setting up attrition zones for an efficient exchange of casualties. 12:18 is very good for Russia when it has 5x the population of Ukraine. Ukraine was stupid to keep rotating battalions out of there, they grinded down groups they spent 6 months training in UK. Totally retarded, it's exactly what RU wanted but Zelensky didn't want to take the PR hit with losing Bakhmut.
HIMARS make a decent hit once per month. all the wonder weapons have continuously been disappointing.
are you really suggesting there's a secret shadow 155th who've been held back somewhere? why would they be committing training cadres and spetsnaz if they weren't running low on competent infantry?
12:18 is a fairytale, its closer to 1:4 or 1:5 atm with ukrainians on the defensive in entrenched positions and russia has 3x the population retard
It's also not a ratio, it's 6:9
>we don't even WANT bakhmut
Holy Mother of Cope.
>a ratio of 12:18
Man, you're so retarded... Do you want to se some magic? Behold: 1:1.5.
Did I say it's not 1:1.5?
No, you just can't divide, which makes you look laughably incompetent. And that's even before you refused to show your sources, lmao.
Why would I? You guys know I'm write so that's why you focus on the fraction. You're going to die virgins, you mentally ill chuds
I didn't type this
Shut up or we're going back to the loony bin.
yes I did
Retardation on full display
They didn't teach you how to downsize at school?
>By most neutral observers
post your sources I'd like to read them
just google search the casualties and ignore any numbers referenced from Ukraine or Russia. Norway and Germany have spoken neutral numbers. If you are listening to either Ukraine or Russia you're a mong and should be shot.
Funny how russian shills will either claim that there are only children and grandpas in bakhmut or the absolut elite of the forces depending if they lie about the losses or the general strategy
Yeah, I've seen them claim it's a military fortress now.
Sounds reasonable. I agree with your conclusion.
"Argue all you want, but this is the official cope we have settled on! Human wave casualties are glue...they bounce off Mother Russia and stick to YOU!"
Meanwhile in reality:
>Zelensky never asks for personnel
>only for weapons
>"12/18" attrition, lmfao
How did human wave tactics stop working 100 years ago but start working again in 2023? Did the wrong comments get upvoted on Reddit?
They don't and didn't
I see and the 120k+ casualties from the Ukrainian side, this is from covid?
Same reason for the 600k+ casualties for Russia, being Slav makes you retarded due to asiatic dna
you sure can, my low IQ friend
It's from pushing Russia's shit in collapsing fronts at Kyiv, Kharkiv and Kherson while Russia tries to exploit a mild winter and throws human waves at a single town. The only cope for this piss-poor performance is pretending Ukraine can't collapse another front or two or three in the Spring.
What do you mean it stopped working? You send wave after wave, until the enemy runs out of ammo, nothing changed, except the economic balance. Now it's easier to buy ammo than 100 years ago, but the birth rates are shitty, so it seems that there will be always more bullets than men.
and this idea that waves keep going until Ukrainians run out of ammo, you learned this from Reddit?
Are you autistic or something? So what's your idea of how the meat waves are supposed to be working? I'm actually curious what schizo theory you can come up with.
120k casualties for Ukraine against 180k casualties for Russia. How is this narrative of human waves holding up? Maybe the reddit headlines were misleading?
The fact that russia had the upper hand in the beginning because no one actually expected them to invade. So the fact that ukrainians are beating russia on murder count shows their tactics really are human waves
Not him.
Human meat waves don't work the way they are presented in fiction or entertainment. The germans produced billions of rounds just for small arms not counting artillery and so on.
Same goes for today, pretty much any developed country can produce more rounds than people in the entire world.
They use mainly artillery (of a sort)to suppress the enemy while they advance, this is how its done with pretty much any advancement, not just
WW1 was kinda retarded not gonna lie.
I could see that. The only negative news I felt had some kind of credibility were finnish state news YLE interviewing a confirmed finnish "high-ranking" officer training Ukrainians who sounded a bit doomer talking about their tactics, leadership and combat techniques and being incapable of fast action so they get bogged down in artillery warfare. Most of his complaints seemed to have to do with them being very badly trained and taking new skill doctrines as criticism rather than improvement.
Read this thread man, 3/4 of them are Reddit zogbots that think the most upvoted comment is the most correct comment.
Ukraine's only hope is holding the lines as they are and building an offensive army on the side, but they just wasted a lot of this potential in failed counter offensives in Soledar and Bakhmut
>reddit
>reddit
>REDDIT
why are you ziggers so obsessed with that site? is it because you have to post both on there and here as well while trying to do some bizzare conquer and divide to try and splice whatever overlap the user bases have?
Standard Russian way of arguing, find out what's despised and call them that regardless of how little sense it makes. It's how we got to a situation where the stated goal of the invasion is to de-nazify a democratic country lead by a garden gnome.
garden gnomes, Reddit, Trannies, the big three here so Ukraine is garden gnomes, Reddit and Trannies...
That's literally propaganda 101, associate thing you like with thing I want you to like or thing you hate with thing I want you to dislike.
nayrt and not defending his arguments on how the war is going but this board is very openly colonized by plebbitors since the war started, almost moreso than /co/, complete with whining about standard PrepHole talking points because it upsets redditors that not everyone worships minorities so it has to be 4chan doing it because that's the only board they know about who would dare to question american black worship.
That's ironic, considering how 4chan got flooded by glavset whores and human garbage from /r/the_donald in 2016 and 2020. Every single thing a vatnik barks is projection.
I wouldn't know as i'm not a 4chanfag. I just find plebbitors retarded in the extreme when they get uppity about people not reflexively genuflecting at a drop of extra melanin.
>I wouldn't know as i'm not a 4chanfag
You know, somehow I doubt this.
Hey, he has not brought up trannies and globohomo yet. I'm willing to give a benefit of doubt.
>from /r/the_donald
No hate like convert hate.
>failed counter offensives in Soledar and Bakhmut
What are you even talking about?
I don't buy your conclusion because it's missing a couple key details. Casualty rates haven't stayed consistent throughout the war, in Bakhmut the US is estimating it is one to seven in the Ukrainians favor, it can't be good in Vuhledar either. Back when Russia had their best men, their best equipment and an overwhelming advantage in armor, air power and artillery they were certainly hurting the Ukrainians more.
The fact Ukrainian personal losses are being replaced by NATO trained troops, Ukrainian equipment losses are being replaced with Western systems and new weapons like JDAM, Switchblade 600 and GLSDB are flowing in while Russia is replacing more and more lost personal with mobniks, more weapons with 1960's version and they are going through an ammo crunch. Unlike Ukraine, Russia's greatest weakness is that if their stockpiles of weapons and ammo deplete and they can't get massive outside assistance, they are screwed. It doesn't matter how many poorly men you throw at a problem if said problem has all the artillery.
>ratio of 12:18
You mean 2:3 or even dare I say it 1:1,5?
You fucking clown you are supposed to be 18+ to post on this site.
Figuring out how to get out of this mess. I recently read a bit about the great northern war and the start of it was basically the same.
>Peter sends army to beat sweden.
>gets beaten to a pulp several times.
>needs foreign aid and instructiors to make his army not complete utter shit.
>finally beat sweden by having the longer breath and the european powers are favouring you more than the swedes.
>by war'a end, russia lost so many men, that Peter had to bribe foreign men to settle in bumfuck nowhere to replenish his losses.
Only this time the russians get clowned by a poor eastern euro natiob that on paper should have folded withon days.
Instead the ukies recieve western hand me downs and maphacks.
The russian army is in for a very tough fight. Unless shoigu pulls something out of his hat, the ukies will soon be very hard to stop.
>the ukies will soon be very hard to stop.
with what? Ukraine just lost most of their best brigades trying to hold Soledar and Bakhmut. Against Wagner too.
May I see those losses?
Are the lost brigades in the room with us right now anon?
It seems like the protests and killing of conscription officers made Putin rethink the mass deployment of conscripts aka the regular army to the front. He's probably hedging his bets on the Wagnerfags and penal battalions to turn the tide to be able to give a favorable position for the regular army to attack again. I doubt it will work in any way, Putin is still bleeding his arm reserves dry for this bet, and even if it succeeds the regulars wont have much to form a mechanized assault with, thus returning to a worst place than he started out with
Rioting, rebellion. Fury. Fear.
They're waiting for the ground to firm up
isn't it amazing that the russian army went from
>kiev in 3 days
>we will raise our eyebrows and they will understand
to
>we have a 1:1.5 k/d but we can grind them out in a few years, we're winning
It's funny how they went from making music videos about the veh-deh-veh to penal battalions.
Well at least they admitted that their losses are higher, that's already a huge breaktrough for vatniks. Who knows, maybe one day they'll even admit that not everything went along Z plan.
For me it's going from:
>T-14 armata and tens of thousands of T-72
to
>T-62 obr. 2022 and welding naval turrets from the forties on afv's
they're getting beaten by the military police for revolting near vuhledar, kinda based but fuck em anyway
regular russian troops too busy ass raping each other and giving each other aids.
Also the Russian command is busy destroying batalions in suicidal charges in Vulhedar