What is the best big bore AR15 cartridge? 350 Legend? 450 Bushmaster? 458 Socom? 50 Beowulf?
What is the best big bore AR15 cartridge? 350 Legend? 450 Bushmaster? 458 Socom? 50 Beowulf?
What is the best big bore AR15 cartridge? 350 Legend? 450 Bushmaster? 458 Socom? 50 Beowulf?
450 bushmaster=cutdowns rimless 45-70
Except in homosexual .452 pistol bullets, whereas 458 socom is in proper rifle .458
450 Bushmaster wishes it used cheap common .458 rifle bullets. Instead it is stuck with .451 so you either pay the big bucks for rifle optimized .451 or deal with 45ACP pistol bullets that get overdriven to failure.
These dayd you have 454 casull and 460 S&W bullets.
In the case of the 460, it blows the 450 out of the water through a carbine.
460SW doesn't gain much from a rifle length barrel.
It might out perform 450 bushmaster, I haven't looked in a while, but 450 bushmaster.can run in an AR.
There's no .460 rifles other than single shots and expensive custom leveractions.
460 gains so little in a rifle, there's almost no demand for it.
It gains what all the other pistol cartridges do from a carbine. Anywhere from 200-400fps.
No it does not.
The 460 and 500, but especially the .460
>muh fastest handgun cartridge in teh world
Use such fast burning powder you're only gaining like 100-150FPS using a 20" leveraction over the 8" revolver.
It uses the same powders 357 does. But I guess you're right, 500+ fps isn't much to write home about http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-revolvers-1980-present/356679-460-s-w-velocity-barrel-length.html
They aren't using "fast" powders(which is relative) and still getting 2000fps. They're using magnum pistol powders and likely even a little slower than H110, not unheard of for guys to use IMR4198 with really heavy bullets. The 200-400fps you gain is pretty much normal in a carbine that's 18 to 20 inches. When I think of a fast powder, I'm thinking shotgun powders for plinkers.
Are you being stupid intentionally or is that just your default?
The original point was to demonstrate that you can find appropriate bullets for higher velocity loads that 450BM puts out.
They are all more or less the same besides the 350 which you can actually find in sporting goods stores. If you don't reload buy that.
Is it true you can shoot XDs out of a 350 legend to reach over 3kfps?
No.
Keep in mind, 350 legend is essentially .357 mag performance.
357 mag will move a 180gr out of a 18" barrel only ~100fps slower than 350 legend will from a 16".
If I'm not mistaken there are even hotter 357 loads than that, out of a rifle length barrel of course.
Fricking lol. Point to 2250 fps and 145 grain on this chart. If you have to lie to make your argument you are just wrong.
>some random, bullshit picture proves your point
Kek
>Is so new can't recognize ballistics by the inch
Post the maximum loading for 357 magnum.
>125 grain max load to 2300fps in a 20" barrel (Lyman 49th edition)
And 350 will do that in a 12" barrel.
Pistol powders.
It's cheap to reload .458 socom if you alread have bullets for your .458 winmag and it's superiour in penetrating brush by it's good weight.
Yes
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I wonder if they'd penetrate an AR500 plate. That becomes possible for non-AP bullets at around that speed.
I wouldn't count on it, but it'd be worth testing. It really depends on what you want to do with the gun. A lot of what penetrates armor is sectional density, which is one thing that 350 legend does not have. If you want to get through armor (soft at least) just use 5.56 and load specialty ammo like 855a1.
If you aren't expecting armor I'd go for 350.
>A lot of what penetrates armor is sectional density, which is one thing that 350 legend does not have.
Not that anon but they've gone custom with copper monolithic rounds there. That's going to increase sd quite a bit vs typical, though XDs aren't specifically designed for armor either. Mono copper at over 3k fps would be interesting testing vs armor though, even if it's not the tungsten ap anon was playing with.
For what purpose?
Also, 350 legend is easily the worst optiong.
>For what purpose?
I want an AR15 that can kill anything in North America inside of 100 yards.
Literally 5.56 has killed everything in the US within 100 yards.
There was even a confirmed polar pear kill with it like 15 years ago.
N. America*
Something that would be viable to use for hunting. I mean yeah if you magdump 30 rounds of green tip into a grizzly's face, it's probably gonna die. But you're not hunting a moose with a .223.
Then 450 bushmaster or 458 socom.
Which one?
Whichever has the upper you want, and which ever you think ammo will be easier/cheaper to find.
450 bushmaster is legal in straight wall hunting states I'm pretty sure, while 458 is definitely not
>I mean yeah if you magdump 30 rounds of green tip into a grizzly's face, it's probably gonna die
You cant even accept that it's possible without goofy, childish exaggeration. WM Bell killed an elephant with a fricking .275
Watch that this car looks like after a few rounds of Beowulf. I went with .50 Beowulf because it’s impressive and also leftists already have .50 in their sights. It’s been around awhile so not the newest meme caliber. My second choice would be .458, better ammo availability. This video gave me flashbacks to Blackwater circa 2006.
Why would you want an AR-15 that was less effective against armor?
>deer wear armor
Not to mention, 5.56 doesn't go through any proper plate, even with your fuddtastic 20" barrels, cope harder.
Ceramics without some gucci swiss unobtanium is always a matter of degrees, number of hits to failure.
Anon, if I happen to need to shoot someone wearing body armor while hiking/hunting in the northernwestern US, I'll aim for the groin.
What if the skinwalker acquired a /k/unts armor?
350 legend is probably the most favored of the bunch. The biggest appeal is that it minimally satisfies almost every hunting caliber reduction while being functional in an AR-15 in up to 20 round magazines. I think you're just being contrarian.
Go for the 450 or the 458. Both essentially end up as a medium power 45-70. 458 give you all of the bullet selection you want, but there are still plenty of rifle bullets in .452 in contrast to what the other anon was saying.
Buffalo bore does advertise that their 158 gr 357 heavy loads will go 2150 fps out of a rifle. https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=102
However, that's comparing the hottest of the hottest .357 loads (200 fps faster than I can get in .357 with a case completely crammed full of H110) with standard 350 legend loads. Power comes from powder, and 350 legend has substantially more room than .357 Magnum. You also have to consider that 357 magnum gets gimped when you try to use the ftx bullets by virtue of OAL requirements, so in order to optimize muzzle energy in .357 you have to sacrifice any high-bc options. 357 maximum might be a better comparison.
350 legend isn't even big bore.
458 socom for max performance, but 450 bushmaster is close.
500 beo is moronic.
One of those isn't a big bore anon.
Probably .450 Bushmaster or whatever's cheapest if you don't reload.
.458 SOCOM if you do.
450 bushmaster is more practical
458 socom can get like 500 or 600 gr .458 MOAB in that b***h