People who train to magdump are either police officers, soldiers, or criminals. Police officers and soldiers have their own ranges. Target shooting is ostensibly about... accurately hitting targets. If you want to magdump you can go out on public land with all the other hillbillies, but wasting 50 to 75 cents per round on making loud noises isn't my idea of a good time.
>People who train to magdump are either police officers, soldiers, or criminals
or people who want to be able to defend themselves from those other three types
Home defense or street defense shootings that cost more than 3 rounds fired are exceedingly rare. Long distance hits are worth training for and can save lives, spraying isn't.
Slow fire with a pistol is literally useless, fudds and guntubers tell themselves this because it's incomparably easier than recoil control, how the frick did you find this board
Show me statistics that prove rapid fire or expenditure of more than a few rounds is ever useful in home defense. Cops are morons that spray down nigs with 30+ rounds because they're scared when the reality is 2 or 3 will kill anyone dead.
You're either arguing in bad faith or extremely (profoundly) unintelligent; if you want to test your theory, see how quickly people fire in professional airsoft or other low-fear, high-motivation situations. Please don't respond to this post.
>show me statis-
shut up israelite. If you had any actual relevant knowledge or even just bothered to watch any self defense videos(of which there are thousands out there) instead of engaging in baseless pilpull and pedantic argumentation youd know that in practically every civilian self defense shooting the defender is engaging in rapid or metered fire and expending more than 3 rounds is hardly uncommon.
KYS yourself.
1 year ago
Anonymous
You are a wothless c**t and no one wants you at their range because you are an inconsiderate turd who thinks ranges are for spastic youtube dress up and play magdumping when they are actuly places people go to shoot.You've no interest in shooting, you just eant to piss people of attention prostitute and spoil the day for people into shooting. Thankfully you get banned.What a c**t you are.
1 year ago
sage
These people don't/can't shoot and don't care about people who do.They want to gatecrash ranges in their larperator outfit and piss everyone off in the lanes beside them behaving like c**ts poinessly magdumping at point blank range.Even worse they don't know that they ate cancer who can't shoot because youtibe told them they are 'training'.Boomers are 100% right to ban them. They spoil everyone elses time with their inane pointless attention whorre crap.They are too fricking stupud to even realise they are chewing up their barrel spoiling everyone elses hobby.
Show me statistics that prove rapid fire or expenditure of more than a few rounds is ever useful in home defense. Cops are morons that spray down nigs with 30+ rounds because they're scared when the reality is 2 or 3 will kill anyone dead.
People who train to magdump are either police officers, soldiers, or criminals. Police officers and soldiers have their own ranges. Target shooting is ostensibly about... accurately hitting targets. If you want to magdump you can go out on public land with all the other hillbillies, but wasting 50 to 75 cents per round on making loud noises isn't my idea of a good time.
Home defense or street defense shootings that cost more than 3 rounds fired are exceedingly rare. Long distance hits are worth training for and can save lives, spraying isn't.
This is all the same person, don't take the bait- he sucks massive wieners and doesn't need to worry about self defense because his bull will protect him.
1 year ago
Anonymous
mutt's law, get the invisible Black person out of your brain you internet traumatized freak
1 year ago
sage
I literally said nothing about black people. You are beholden to your own law. You are somehow a bigger homosexual than he is, unless you're (him)
1 year ago
Anonymous
>doesn't need to worry about self defense because his bull will protect him
that's a comfy existence not gonna lie
>Show me statistics that prove rapid fire or expenditure of more than a few rounds is ever useful in home defense.
I don't know how to tell you this, but it's quite a commonly known and accepted statistic that the probability of death generally increases as the number of bullets you've been hit with increases.
>defense shootings that cost more than 3 rounds fired are exceedingly rar
in the interview with BJ Baldwin he said he shot the first guy 10x, the second guy ran off. He is lucky the second guy ran and was not armed. His girl friend who was a professional competition shooter was of course useless. Its better to learn to fire fast in self defense and have an extra mag or two because you don't know how many people may come to attack you, or if you miss because they duck and dodge. If cops need to practice then you need to practice the same because you have to deal with the same criminals before the cops get there.
Suppressing fire on an area is great against a robber, assailant, domestic three letter terrorist, or occupational force with a gun.
Ie magdumping them.
Does your home look like a gun range? Do you have multiple stalls around your abode? Does every corner have a sign posted asking you to sweep up your brass? Do you have an RSO living in your bathroom? No? Then shut the frick up lol. You aren't practicing shit at the range.
I use the cheapest ammo I can find in the calibers I shoot so that I can afford to shoot more than 1k a month, and you should too. I wouldn't consider 22 training any more than airsoft, that's a different conversation.
>Police officers and soldiers have their own ranges.
False. My local range has no rapid fire and no more than 5 in the mag. The range is only open to the public on em weekends, during the week it's open to Leo only. I love a mile away and I hear those pigs do full mah dumps during the week. But when I load a full mag I get yelled at.
Fricking pigs
I've only been to one indoor range and they didn't have this rule. They even rent out full-auto.
So can somebody explain what this rule means? Does it just mean no full-auto? Or can you really not even mag dump a semi-auto?
>So can somebody explain what this rule means? Does it just mean no full-auto? Or can you really not even mag dump a semi-auto?
It means whatever they want it to. It can range from completely 100% reasonable (no uncontrolled magdumping where you are just spraying rounds everywhere like a spastic moron) to 100% RSO tin pot dictator power trip ("DON'T ARGUE WITH ME YOU JUST SHOT 5 ROUNDS IN 10 SECONDS PRACTICALLY FULL AUTO YOU KIDS"). I've seen both.
How irritating it is depends mainly on what other options you have. Those of us who live in rural areas with our own land, public land, and/or decent variety of ranges in reasonable distance can just go elsehwere which also often means more reasonable rules since otherwise the range would go out of business (a few complexities to "reasonable" granted). Some poor bastards have like, one range within an hours drive or some shit. So if it's a shit one they are fricked.
>As long as I can practice Mozambique drills I'm fine with it.
At the really shit places with megafudd RSOs you probably wouldn't be able to. At most places you could, maybe with some basic competence req first or having been a member a week and shown you're not a frickhead.
In a lot of fudd controlled ranges, they will only let you shoot 1 shot per second, some ROs even time you.
frick I wish my ranges were 1 per second. That's useful. This 3 second bullshit is fricking moronic. I'm in the black at 15 yards on a 5 inch circle, come the frick on
right it's all arbitrary. 1 per second? 1 per 3 seconds? no limit so long as it's clearly deliberate and everything is landing on target?
That's up to each range to decide. And yes, the one and only reason they don't use a universal and completely non-arbitrary is solely to subject you to the greatest injustice humanely possible. You poor, poor thing.
frick I wish my ranges were 1 per second. That's useful. This 3 second bullshit is fricking moronic. I'm in the black at 15 yards on a 5 inch circle, come the frick on
Home defense or street defense shootings that cost more than 3 rounds fired are exceedingly rare. Long distance hits are worth training for and can save lives, spraying isn't.
>Home defense or street defense shootings that cost more than 3 rounds fired are exceedingly rare.
Shut the frick up you leftist homosexual
holy shit I found a genuine turbo moron autist lmao
yes, ANYONE CAN BE A FRICKING IDIOT you idiot lmao! >only Black folk would dare be idiots, no one else could possibly be so stupid with a gun >our superior genetics ensures that we would never ever mishandle a gun
and you are telling ME to go to the shithole of /misc/?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH
YOU go back there moron. They love your brand of delusions.
Monkeys don’t operate tools as well as humans. Go to plebbit with your insanity.
1 year ago
Anonymous
yes... yes.... please tell me more about how your superior genes allow you supreme knowledge and control over all manner of full auto firearms, sir bubba of /misc/
explain how the melanin in your skin dictates how strong your grip on the fricking gun is, and how it equates to knowing enough about guns to prepare for the kickback adequately
1 year ago
Anonymous
Who the frick is bringing full autos to your gay little 25 yd indoor range?
1 year ago
Anonymous
don't try to shift things here.
tell me about the STRONG SUPERIOR GENES
that mean non blacks WOULD NEVER EVER EVER be stupid with guns.
1 year ago
Anonymous
he can't because he is a fricking autist.
Who the frick is bringing full autos to your gay little 25 yd indoor range?
you do realize that the no rapid fire rule applies to a hell of a lot more than fricking indoor ranges, right? Nor does it necessarily refer to full auto.
Firing fast isn't the same thing as magdumping.
Magdumping is just sending rounds down range as fast as you can, with little to no effort put into aiming.
If you want to be proficient, you learn to aim quickly, and fire quickly while staying on target.
this, cops use my range during the week. ive been there 2 years on the weekends, never seen anyone strike metal, yet i see new strikes every ohter weekend
This is unironically a woman thing and not a black thing. There have been plenty of times I've taken girls to the indoor range, and I've had to physically grab them to prevent them from ripping off their own earmuffs. Like they are literally that stupid that they don't want to wear them because they think it's uncomfortable or will mess up their hair or something like that. I guess people are also conditioned to think that gunshots are only as loud as they seem in movies.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>they don't want to wear them because they think it's uncomfortable or will mess up their hair or something like that
Is this in a city? Around here everyone has at least mowed lawns or been around power tools or whatever and the concept of "wear hearing protection, often for hours" isn't something I'd ever even considered would be a challenge. Nothing to do with men or women. But in an urban setting I could see it being different. Of course you can also get pretty high NRR foamies if someone really hated earmuffs, though I'd still double up if I didn't shoot suppressed.
Actually I'll be kinda interested even in my neck of the woods if the rise of electric changes habits for newer generations. All my mobile power tools except my blower are now electric. My woodshop stuff still makes plenty of noise, my tractor and zero turn are still diesel, but chainsaw now even is real quiet and pleasant. And probably only a matter of time until the tractor and ZT go electric too. At that point guns might be some of the only loud things many people will ever experience.
1 year ago
Anonymous
ah yes the common female experience of mowing lawns or using power tools for hours
1 year ago
Anonymous
GODDAMN this, i took this one girl to a gun range cause she wanted to shoot. she kept readjusting her earpro getting full sounds. dumb c**t. i even explained it to her prior.
not taking first time shoooters ever again
People blasting indiscriminately in the general direction of the target resulting in rounds over berms for outdoor ranges(and target stand hits) and for indoor ranges strikes on target moving equipment and walls/floors/ceilings. Then boomers coopting it to keep out anybody who wants to have fun instead of shooting 1rnd every 30 seconds. >captcha:srrys
no one cares what scenario you're training to defend from, rapid fire is obnoxiously loud
if you really need to hit more than 2 targets in a single spray, go to the desert or something
These people don't/can't shoot and don't care about people who do.They want to gatecrash ranges in their larperator outfit and piss everyone off in the lanes beside them behaving like c**ts poinessly magdumping at point blank range.Even worse they don't know that they ate cancer who can't shoot because youtibe told them they are 'training'.Boomers are 100% right to ban them. They spoil everyone elses time with their inane pointless attention whorre crap.They are too fricking stupud to even realise they are chewing up their barrel spoiling everyone elses hobby.
Liability and range damage. It's not the people that can shoot that are ever the problem, it's the Black folk with dracos blowing holes in the ceiling and target stands that are a problem.
Hey, so basically I'm just gonna mag dump full auto from a 10.5" barrel with a brake indoor
I know .... UGH I know....
I'm sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's just that I'm just gonna brrrrr
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Courtesy. Simple as. Ever been one lane over from a guy with a 10.5” 5.56 rifle with a muzzle brake? It sucks. Outdoor, indoor, it doesn’t matter. One time this guy next to me had a benelli R1 in .300 win mag with a compensator at the end. I could just imagine focusing on my breathing, heart rate, sight picture, trig-BOOMBOOMBOOMBOOM! The pressure waves blowdrying my hair. Well frick, let me start over.
I work at a shooting range. Every single rule on the books is a direct result of groid activity. If you're white, not a moron and not at a gay as frick range, the rules do not actually apply to you.
>What is the actual reason for this rule?
Have you not been to a public range and seen the average gun owner shoot?
If so, you'll understand why this rule exists.
You have to understand that the rules apply to everyone. If one guy causes a problem, you have to shut it down for everyone, and I think we can all imagine how much damage some shithead who has no idea how to magdump somewhat effectively can do to the range facilities. Half the people I see at the indoor range can barely stay on a silhouette at 7 yards. The flip side of that is that the RSOs usually let the rule slide once they see you shoot well at my range. Just work up the pace slow, shoot some good groups, then a couple of one second splits, then build up the cadence while they keep an eye on you. Just don’t start ripping off bill drills first thing, let them see that you know what you’re doing and you’re clearly working on an existing skillset.
>You have to understand that the rules apply to everyone.
No, they don't. >If one guy causes a problem, you have to shut it down for everyone
No you don't you fricking moron. At our club with have a normal reasonable ladder system. There is a basic short range with strict rules and supervision, and as you show you know what you are doing and aren't a moron you can do more and more stuff. If you ever suddenly start fricking up you can be demoted back down again, or booted. This is not a difficult concept.
Or alternatively, "the rules apply to everyone" but the rule can be >"you can rapid fire groups of 3-10 on the steel range after demonstrating ABC level of competence, or any range after XYZ level so long as you sign something saying you'll pay for and are good for repairs"
or whatever. There isn't any need to have blanket dumb ass shit except for lazy ranges.
First, there's no practical reason for rapid fire at a range open to the public.
Secondly, it's an easy way to identify the potential troublemakers. RO's can't check that everybody is following basic gun safety, but a string of rapid loud bangs is easy to ascertain when it's happening and the direction it's coming from. People that tend to do it are usually the type to be goofing off with firearms and at the very least they can't follow simple rule that's been posted for everyone to see which poses a safety risk that the range facility could do without.
Truth is that they don't fricking know you so trust is at a minimum. Honestly, if you're good friends with the manager and personnel, they'd probably invite you to do goofy shit at the range outside of normal operating hours. Buy until that happens, you're going to have to keep your tomfrickery outside of the range and out of schools and churches, too, if you'd be so kind.
That or your doing something where it's impossible to frick up. I'll practically burst fire my CP33 but the RSO knows I'm shooting a frick huge .22 pistol and knows Im not going to do something moron
>First, there's no practical reason for rapid fire at a range open to the public.
There is. If you care about defense being able to do a reasonably tight (6" at least) rapid 3-5 group at <10yd is far more valuable then slow competition sharp shooting at 50-100yd. From a holster. There's no tom foolery about it you fricking boomer.
It's not a trivial skill to build up for sure, and for indoor ranges and ones where they're using fancy gear for certain lanes I can understand being cautious. But it is something there should be a path to work up to. If a range is purely for comp shooters, well it's private property and a free country, that's their choice, but I'm not going to patronize it either.
Do you even self defense bro? >Inb4 a european who isn't allowed to defend themself
That's why a specified "range open to the public," dumbass. If you want to practice rapid fire drills, that's not the time or the place to do doing it.
Jesus, frick. You people are why are the firearm community is dying off.
>That's why a specified "range open to the public," dumbass.
moron. "Open to the public" doesn't mean you can't have different training levels and privileges wtf? Open to the public can just mean anyone can go without a membership, not that you can't then have memberships and various levels on top. Brand new? You get to use the basic b***h parts with the general rules. Join and pass level 1 test? You get to follow level 1 rules. Be a member for a few months and pass level 2? You can do level 2 and use the other lanes, or stay after public hours for member only hours. Etc. >If you want to practice rapid fire drills, that's not the time or the place to do doing it.
Sure it can be, and it should be. Just up to the range. If it's a shit range that doesn't have any path for it then it's a shit range and one should go elsewhere. Simple as that. I'm not saying they don't have the right to do so, it's their private property. But it's a choice, not a requirement.
I want to disagree with you so hard, but at the same time, I have worked Bill drills at a range and heard people in the lanes next to me begin shooting much more rapidly, even as their groups clearly spread out beyond acceptable levels. In short, if people could adult, we'd all get to have a lot more fun.
People who rapid fire don't control recoil and climb as well as they think they will and it risks them shooting out a cable. Now that lane's closed until they can repair and test it, which might require clearing the range, and the range loses the revenues that lane could generate.
There’s also a factor of insurance. Even if it’s an outdoor range in the middle of nowhere where stray rounds aren’t going to hit anything other than trees or dirt, if an insurance company tells the range owner “Hey, we’ll knock five hundred bucks off your monthly payment if you put this rule in place” they might just take it
I used to live near 'the pit' in Lapeer County MI. If anyone here knows about 'the pit', it (was) a 'no rules' range, where just about anything was allowed. Rapid fire, Class III holders, even fricking CANNONS were brought out and fired out there.
I would see morons rapid firing and they COULDN'T CONTROL their firearms and end up with them almost vertical. Thats the MAIN issue with 'rapid fire' is that idiots lose control of their firearms which leads to potential injury, or one of those stories of shooting someone / something a mile away.
Every now and then I go to an indoor range, and there are shots in the celing that can only be done if you are firing the gun at greater than a 45 degree angle... The people at the indoor range are usually pretty cool. If I ask them if they mind me doing followup shots, or 3 round, they usually are cool with it after eyeballing me to make sure I know how to handle myself.
>Every now and then I go to an indoor range, and there are shots in the celing that can only be done if you are firing the gun at greater than a 45 degree angle... The people at the indoor range are usually pretty cool. If I ask them if they mind me doing followup shots, or 3 round, they usually are cool with it after eyeballing me to make sure I know how to handle myself. >TLDR Its a rule BECAUSE OF STUPID PEOPLE.
This is what a lot of the rules are. But that doesn't mean some ranges don't take it too far and have so many fricking rules down to the finest micromanaged details with zero variance for normal adult shooters that I just don't want to go (and won't). I have no inherent problem with a range that wants to cater specifically to morons, but it's not a range I wish to patronize. I'd rather have a range that was stricter on members but then respected them.
>greater than a 45 degree angle
The closest indoor range near me has bullet holes in the ceiling directly above, and in a very few cases, slightly behind the firing line. I rarely go to the indoor range anymore, but I used to constantly harass an RO I knew for his no rapid fire, no holster draw rules, but then again, I don't run an indoor range as a source of income.
Potential danger of people losing control and shooting too low or too high, damaging the floor or ceiling in a indoor range or having the shots pose a danger to bystanders on an outdoor one. Same reason a lot of ranges ban drawing from holsters since too many morons ND into their thighs
Most ranges I’ve been to only have those rules to police the likely large amount of tards that may walk in and frick the place up. In my experience if you show that you aren’t a potential threat to yourself and everyone around you and that there aren’t many people there they’ll be more lax with the rules.
You ever been to an indoor range and noticed the ceiling is chewed up with bullet holes? That's what rapid fire does in the hands of your average newguns moron.
>Goes to range >Easily distracted by gunshots
There is a place to go if your delicate constitution is irreparably harmed by others shooting at the same gun range. Magdumpers shouldn't have to go to the middle of nowhere. The people who want to not be surrounded by the sounds of gunfire should go somewhere not surrounded by people.
Easy excuse to kick people out that they don’t like. Same reason for most fudd rules. If you’re a regular and don’t act like a jackass rules like that are almost never enforced.
People who train to magdump are either police officers, soldiers, or criminals. Police officers and soldiers have their own ranges. Target shooting is ostensibly about... accurately hitting targets. If you want to magdump you can go out on public land with all the other hillbillies, but wasting 50 to 75 cents per round on making loud noises isn't my idea of a good time.
>People who train to magdump are either police officers, soldiers, or criminals
or people who want to be able to defend themselves from those other three types
Home defense or street defense shootings that cost more than 3 rounds fired are exceedingly rare. Long distance hits are worth training for and can save lives, spraying isn't.
that's all fine and dandy but if some nig breaks into my house and I have to shoot him 12 times I would like some practice beforehand tyvm
>practice spray n pray
Slow fire with a pistol is literally useless, fudds and guntubers tell themselves this because it's incomparably easier than recoil control, how the frick did you find this board
Show me statistics that prove rapid fire or expenditure of more than a few rounds is ever useful in home defense. Cops are morons that spray down nigs with 30+ rounds because they're scared when the reality is 2 or 3 will kill anyone dead.
You're either arguing in bad faith or extremely (profoundly) unintelligent; if you want to test your theory, see how quickly people fire in professional airsoft or other low-fear, high-motivation situations. Please don't respond to this post.
>comparing airshit to real life
>show me statis-
shut up israelite. If you had any actual relevant knowledge or even just bothered to watch any self defense videos(of which there are thousands out there) instead of engaging in baseless pilpull and pedantic argumentation youd know that in practically every civilian self defense shooting the defender is engaging in rapid or metered fire and expending more than 3 rounds is hardly uncommon.
KYS yourself.
You are a wothless c**t and no one wants you at their range because you are an inconsiderate turd who thinks ranges are for spastic youtube dress up and play magdumping when they are actuly places people go to shoot.You've no interest in shooting, you just eant to piss people of attention prostitute and spoil the day for people into shooting. Thankfully you get banned.What a c**t you are.
This is all the same person, don't take the bait- he sucks massive wieners and doesn't need to worry about self defense because his bull will protect him.
mutt's law, get the invisible Black person out of your brain you internet traumatized freak
I literally said nothing about black people. You are beholden to your own law. You are somehow a bigger homosexual than he is, unless you're (him)
>doesn't need to worry about self defense because his bull will protect him
that's a comfy existence not gonna lie
>0627 GMT
Englishman is up bright an' early
>Show me statistics that prove rapid fire or expenditure of more than a few rounds is ever useful in home defense.
I don't know how to tell you this, but it's quite a commonly known and accepted statistic that the probability of death generally increases as the number of bullets you've been hit with increases.
>defense shootings that cost more than 3 rounds fired are exceedingly rar
in the interview with BJ Baldwin he said he shot the first guy 10x, the second guy ran off. He is lucky the second guy ran and was not armed. His girl friend who was a professional competition shooter was of course useless. Its better to learn to fire fast in self defense and have an extra mag or two because you don't know how many people may come to attack you, or if you miss because they duck and dodge. If cops need to practice then you need to practice the same because you have to deal with the same criminals before the cops get there.
Suppressing fire on an area is great against a robber, assailant, domestic three letter terrorist, or occupational force with a gun.
Ie magdumping them.
Does your home look like a gun range? Do you have multiple stalls around your abode? Does every corner have a sign posted asking you to sweep up your brass? Do you have an RSO living in your bathroom? No? Then shut the frick up lol. You aren't practicing shit at the range.
That's obviously a bullshit mischaracterizationyou fed Black person fudd moron
>50 to 75 cents per round
Boomer doesn't know how to use the internet, too perfect
>training with 9mm ball and .22
I use the cheapest ammo I can find in the calibers I shoot so that I can afford to shoot more than 1k a month, and you should too. I wouldn't consider 22 training any more than airsoft, that's a different conversation.
>not training with 9mm ball
Thank you Lord for not giving me an extra chromosome at birth.
my cheap .223 is 35 cpr and I train on magdumping a 10x10 target at 25 meters which is actually useful.
solid bait
>wasting 50 to 75 cents per round on making loud noises isn't my idea of a good time.
Based fisherman
>Police officers and soldiers have their own ranges.
False. My local range has no rapid fire and no more than 5 in the mag. The range is only open to the public on em weekends, during the week it's open to Leo only. I love a mile away and I hear those pigs do full mah dumps during the week. But when I load a full mag I get yelled at.
Fricking pigs
>wanting to be accurate is okay but wanting to be accurate while shooting quickly isn't
lol
Because fudds like exist.
Sad pathetic zoomers angry we won't put up with their treating guns as toys and disrespect for our hardworking law enforcement officers.
Take your shotgun, shove up your butthole, and pull the trigger, fudd scum.
What an idiotic take. Not even shannon watts is this stupid, frick you moron. Buy a shot timer get good you slow statistically fat slob.
I've only been to one indoor range and they didn't have this rule. They even rent out full-auto.
So can somebody explain what this rule means? Does it just mean no full-auto? Or can you really not even mag dump a semi-auto?
>So can somebody explain what this rule means? Does it just mean no full-auto? Or can you really not even mag dump a semi-auto?
It means whatever they want it to. It can range from completely 100% reasonable (no uncontrolled magdumping where you are just spraying rounds everywhere like a spastic moron) to 100% RSO tin pot dictator power trip ("DON'T ARGUE WITH ME YOU JUST SHOT 5 ROUNDS IN 10 SECONDS PRACTICALLY FULL AUTO YOU KIDS"). I've seen both.
How irritating it is depends mainly on what other options you have. Those of us who live in rural areas with our own land, public land, and/or decent variety of ranges in reasonable distance can just go elsehwere which also often means more reasonable rules since otherwise the range would go out of business (a few complexities to "reasonable" granted). Some poor bastards have like, one range within an hours drive or some shit. So if it's a shit one they are fricked.
As long as I can practice Mozambique drills I'm fine with it.
>As long as I can practice Mozambique drills I'm fine with it.
At the really shit places with megafudd RSOs you probably wouldn't be able to. At most places you could, maybe with some basic competence req first or having been a member a week and shown you're not a frickhead.
right it's all arbitrary. 1 per second? 1 per 3 seconds? no limit so long as it's clearly deliberate and everything is landing on target?
That's up to each range to decide. And yes, the one and only reason they don't use a universal and completely non-arbitrary is solely to subject you to the greatest injustice humanely possible. You poor, poor thing.
In a lot of fudd controlled ranges, they will only let you shoot 1 shot per second, some ROs even time you.
frick I wish my ranges were 1 per second. That's useful. This 3 second bullshit is fricking moronic. I'm in the black at 15 yards on a 5 inch circle, come the frick on
>Home defense or street defense shootings that cost more than 3 rounds fired are exceedingly rare.
Shut the frick up you leftist homosexual
No. See:
>idiocy is equally distributed among all races
Never been true. Take your myths to /misc/
This is a weapons board with a grasp on reality.
Are you a special kind of moronic?
I never said idiocy is equally distributed you dumbfrick lmao
It certainly seems concentrated in you.
That’s what you’re implying, that full auto is the issue because “anyone” might misuse it.
holy shit I found a genuine turbo moron autist lmao
yes, ANYONE CAN BE A FRICKING IDIOT you idiot lmao!
>only Black folk would dare be idiots, no one else could possibly be so stupid with a gun
>our superior genetics ensures that we would never ever mishandle a gun
and you are telling ME to go to the shithole of /misc/?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH
YOU go back there moron. They love your brand of delusions.
Monkeys don’t operate tools as well as humans. Go to plebbit with your insanity.
yes... yes.... please tell me more about how your superior genes allow you supreme knowledge and control over all manner of full auto firearms, sir bubba of /misc/
explain how the melanin in your skin dictates how strong your grip on the fricking gun is, and how it equates to knowing enough about guns to prepare for the kickback adequately
Who the frick is bringing full autos to your gay little 25 yd indoor range?
don't try to shift things here.
tell me about the STRONG SUPERIOR GENES
that mean non blacks WOULD NEVER EVER EVER be stupid with guns.
he can't because he is a fricking autist.
you do realize that the no rapid fire rule applies to a hell of a lot more than fricking indoor ranges, right? Nor does it necessarily refer to full auto.
homosexuals like you are an utter embarrassment.
Firing fast isn't the same thing as magdumping.
Magdumping is just sending rounds down range as fast as you can, with little to no effort put into aiming.
If you want to be proficient, you learn to aim quickly, and fire quickly while staying on target.
Black folk.
Next time you're at a indoor range, look at how many strikes are on the roof.
Everyone should stop reading past this point. It's the only fricking comment that actually answers the OP
>>Next time you're at a indoor range, look at how many strikes are on the roof.
Mostly happens at ranges the police use.
this, cops use my range during the week. ive been there 2 years on the weekends, never seen anyone strike metal, yet i see new strikes every ohter weekend
Doesn’t it... make more sense to ban Black folk?
not good enough. the problem of idiots unable to control full auto is not limited to race...
there's a little thing called the Civil Rights Act preventing them from doing that
he didn't say banning black people, he said banning Black folk
Wait until you find out the black-to-Black person ratio.
yes, that's why we need to ban Black folk, there's way too many of them
This is unironically a woman thing and not a black thing. There have been plenty of times I've taken girls to the indoor range, and I've had to physically grab them to prevent them from ripping off their own earmuffs. Like they are literally that stupid that they don't want to wear them because they think it's uncomfortable or will mess up their hair or something like that. I guess people are also conditioned to think that gunshots are only as loud as they seem in movies.
>they don't want to wear them because they think it's uncomfortable or will mess up their hair or something like that
Is this in a city? Around here everyone has at least mowed lawns or been around power tools or whatever and the concept of "wear hearing protection, often for hours" isn't something I'd ever even considered would be a challenge. Nothing to do with men or women. But in an urban setting I could see it being different. Of course you can also get pretty high NRR foamies if someone really hated earmuffs, though I'd still double up if I didn't shoot suppressed.
Actually I'll be kinda interested even in my neck of the woods if the rise of electric changes habits for newer generations. All my mobile power tools except my blower are now electric. My woodshop stuff still makes plenty of noise, my tractor and zero turn are still diesel, but chainsaw now even is real quiet and pleasant. And probably only a matter of time until the tractor and ZT go electric too. At that point guns might be some of the only loud things many people will ever experience.
ah yes the common female experience of mowing lawns or using power tools for hours
GODDAMN this, i took this one girl to a gun range cause she wanted to shoot. she kept readjusting her earpro getting full sounds. dumb c**t. i even explained it to her prior.
not taking first time shoooters ever again
Those don't have to be mutually exclusive
AW SHEEIITZ
are you meaning to say that people actually fire weapons they're incapable of controlling?
People blasting indiscriminately in the general direction of the target resulting in rounds over berms for outdoor ranges(and target stand hits) and for indoor ranges strikes on target moving equipment and walls/floors/ceilings. Then boomers coopting it to keep out anybody who wants to have fun instead of shooting 1rnd every 30 seconds.
>captcha:srrys
no one cares what scenario you're training to defend from, rapid fire is obnoxiously loud
if you really need to hit more than 2 targets in a single spray, go to the desert or something
These people don't/can't shoot and don't care about people who do.They want to gatecrash ranges in their larperator outfit and piss everyone off in the lanes beside them behaving like c**ts poinessly magdumping at point blank range.Even worse they don't know that they ate cancer who can't shoot because youtibe told them they are 'training'.Boomers are 100% right to ban them. They spoil everyone elses time with their inane pointless attention whorre crap.They are too fricking stupud to even realise they are chewing up their barrel spoiling everyone elses hobby.
The noise stops other shooters from enjoying their range time for a start.
buncha slack jawed gaygits at your range I guess
Expectations for lack of proper recoil control.
Liability and range damage. It's not the people that can shoot that are ever the problem, it's the Black folk with dracos blowing holes in the ceiling and target stands that are a problem.
HEY
HEY
NO FULL AUTO IN THE BUILDING
Hey, so basically I'm just gonna mag dump full auto from a 10.5" barrel with a brake indoor
I know .... UGH I know....
I'm sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's just that I'm just gonna brrrrr
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Courtesy. Simple as. Ever been one lane over from a guy with a 10.5” 5.56 rifle with a muzzle brake? It sucks. Outdoor, indoor, it doesn’t matter. One time this guy next to me had a benelli R1 in .300 win mag with a compensator at the end. I could just imagine focusing on my breathing, heart rate, sight picture, trig-BOOMBOOMBOOMBOOM! The pressure waves blowdrying my hair. Well frick, let me start over.
Shitskins being allowed to use the range and doing dumb shit.
>dump entire magazine wildly while panicked
>don't hit anything
What's the next step in your master plan?
That's actually what people who practice slow fire will do, in contrast to people who practice firing on a beep and controlling recoil
He took that bullet like a champ, all things considered. Classic video.
What gun was that?
I work at a shooting range. Every single rule on the books is a direct result of groid activity. If you're white, not a moron and not at a gay as frick range, the rules do not actually apply to you.
>What is the actual reason for this rule?
Have you not been to a public range and seen the average gun owner shoot?
If so, you'll understand why this rule exists.
You have to understand that the rules apply to everyone. If one guy causes a problem, you have to shut it down for everyone, and I think we can all imagine how much damage some shithead who has no idea how to magdump somewhat effectively can do to the range facilities. Half the people I see at the indoor range can barely stay on a silhouette at 7 yards. The flip side of that is that the RSOs usually let the rule slide once they see you shoot well at my range. Just work up the pace slow, shoot some good groups, then a couple of one second splits, then build up the cadence while they keep an eye on you. Just don’t start ripping off bill drills first thing, let them see that you know what you’re doing and you’re clearly working on an existing skillset.
>You have to understand that the rules apply to everyone.
No, they don't.
>If one guy causes a problem, you have to shut it down for everyone
No you don't you fricking moron. At our club with have a normal reasonable ladder system. There is a basic short range with strict rules and supervision, and as you show you know what you are doing and aren't a moron you can do more and more stuff. If you ever suddenly start fricking up you can be demoted back down again, or booted. This is not a difficult concept.
Or alternatively, "the rules apply to everyone" but the rule can be
>"you can rapid fire groups of 3-10 on the steel range after demonstrating ABC level of competence, or any range after XYZ level so long as you sign something saying you'll pay for and are good for repairs"
or whatever. There isn't any need to have blanket dumb ass shit except for lazy ranges.
Most people who try rapid fire can't control rapid fire and end up shooting the shit out of everything
some dumbfricks can't control their guns and end up causing issues.
First, there's no practical reason for rapid fire at a range open to the public.
Secondly, it's an easy way to identify the potential troublemakers. RO's can't check that everybody is following basic gun safety, but a string of rapid loud bangs is easy to ascertain when it's happening and the direction it's coming from. People that tend to do it are usually the type to be goofing off with firearms and at the very least they can't follow simple rule that's been posted for everyone to see which poses a safety risk that the range facility could do without.
Truth is that they don't fricking know you so trust is at a minimum. Honestly, if you're good friends with the manager and personnel, they'd probably invite you to do goofy shit at the range outside of normal operating hours. Buy until that happens, you're going to have to keep your tomfrickery outside of the range and out of schools and churches, too, if you'd be so kind.
That or your doing something where it's impossible to frick up. I'll practically burst fire my CP33 but the RSO knows I'm shooting a frick huge .22 pistol and knows Im not going to do something moron
>First, there's no practical reason for rapid fire at a range open to the public.
There is. If you care about defense being able to do a reasonably tight (6" at least) rapid 3-5 group at <10yd is far more valuable then slow competition sharp shooting at 50-100yd. From a holster. There's no tom foolery about it you fricking boomer.
It's not a trivial skill to build up for sure, and for indoor ranges and ones where they're using fancy gear for certain lanes I can understand being cautious. But it is something there should be a path to work up to. If a range is purely for comp shooters, well it's private property and a free country, that's their choice, but I'm not going to patronize it either.
That's why a specified "range open to the public," dumbass. If you want to practice rapid fire drills, that's not the time or the place to do doing it.
Jesus, frick. You people are why are the firearm community is dying off.
>That's why a specified "range open to the public," dumbass.
moron. "Open to the public" doesn't mean you can't have different training levels and privileges wtf? Open to the public can just mean anyone can go without a membership, not that you can't then have memberships and various levels on top. Brand new? You get to use the basic b***h parts with the general rules. Join and pass level 1 test? You get to follow level 1 rules. Be a member for a few months and pass level 2? You can do level 2 and use the other lanes, or stay after public hours for member only hours. Etc.
>If you want to practice rapid fire drills, that's not the time or the place to do doing it.
Sure it can be, and it should be. Just up to the range. If it's a shit range that doesn't have any path for it then it's a shit range and one should go elsewhere. Simple as that. I'm not saying they don't have the right to do so, it's their private property. But it's a choice, not a requirement.
>There is no reason to rapid fire
Do you even self defense bro?
>Inb4 a european who isn't allowed to defend themself
I want to disagree with you so hard, but at the same time, I have worked Bill drills at a range and heard people in the lanes next to me begin shooting much more rapidly, even as their groups clearly spread out beyond acceptable levels. In short, if people could adult, we'd all get to have a lot more fun.
People who rapid fire don't control recoil and climb as well as they think they will and it risks them shooting out a cable. Now that lane's closed until they can repair and test it, which might require clearing the range, and the range loses the revenues that lane could generate.
Why does the thread image say NO RAPID FIRE can't we shoot fast?
I'm french, but here the reason 99% of the time is because that bother the neighbours.
>What is the actual reason for this rule
filter morons
>What is the actual reason for this rule?
anti moron measure against tards
Basically it's to prevent idiots who don't know how to control firearms from shooting the ceiling. Some range jannies do take it too far though.
the reason is some moron ruined for everyone else
There’s also a factor of insurance. Even if it’s an outdoor range in the middle of nowhere where stray rounds aren’t going to hit anything other than trees or dirt, if an insurance company tells the range owner “Hey, we’ll knock five hundred bucks off your monthly payment if you put this rule in place” they might just take it
>ONE SHOT PER 30 SECONDS!!!
>COLD BORE SHOTS ONLY!
>RANGE OFFICER MUST INSPACT EACH LOAD BEFORE SHOOTING
I thank God everyday I live in an area with lot of public shooting land nearby so I don't have to deal with fuddgays
I used to live near 'the pit' in Lapeer County MI. If anyone here knows about 'the pit', it (was) a 'no rules' range, where just about anything was allowed. Rapid fire, Class III holders, even fricking CANNONS were brought out and fired out there.
I would see morons rapid firing and they COULDN'T CONTROL their firearms and end up with them almost vertical. Thats the MAIN issue with 'rapid fire' is that idiots lose control of their firearms which leads to potential injury, or one of those stories of shooting someone / something a mile away.
Every now and then I go to an indoor range, and there are shots in the celing that can only be done if you are firing the gun at greater than a 45 degree angle... The people at the indoor range are usually pretty cool. If I ask them if they mind me doing followup shots, or 3 round, they usually are cool with it after eyeballing me to make sure I know how to handle myself.
TLDR Its a rule BECAUSE OF STUPID PEOPLE.
>Every now and then I go to an indoor range, and there are shots in the celing that can only be done if you are firing the gun at greater than a 45 degree angle... The people at the indoor range are usually pretty cool. If I ask them if they mind me doing followup shots, or 3 round, they usually are cool with it after eyeballing me to make sure I know how to handle myself.
>TLDR Its a rule BECAUSE OF STUPID PEOPLE.
This is what a lot of the rules are. But that doesn't mean some ranges don't take it too far and have so many fricking rules down to the finest micromanaged details with zero variance for normal adult shooters that I just don't want to go (and won't). I have no inherent problem with a range that wants to cater specifically to morons, but it's not a range I wish to patronize. I'd rather have a range that was stricter on members but then respected them.
>greater than a 45 degree angle
The closest indoor range near me has bullet holes in the ceiling directly above, and in a very few cases, slightly behind the firing line. I rarely go to the indoor range anymore, but I used to constantly harass an RO I knew for his no rapid fire, no holster draw rules, but then again, I don't run an indoor range as a source of income.
Potential danger of people losing control and shooting too low or too high, damaging the floor or ceiling in a indoor range or having the shots pose a danger to bystanders on an outdoor one. Same reason a lot of ranges ban drawing from holsters since too many morons ND into their thighs
Most ranges I’ve been to only have those rules to police the likely large amount of tards that may walk in and frick the place up. In my experience if you show that you aren’t a potential threat to yourself and everyone around you and that there aren’t many people there they’ll be more lax with the rules.
Black folk. It's always Black folk.
*brass catchers ~ bent ronbbery*
You ever been to an indoor range and noticed the ceiling is chewed up with bullet holes? That's what rapid fire does in the hands of your average newguns moron.
>Goes to range
>Easily distracted by gunshots
There is a place to go if your delicate constitution is irreparably harmed by others shooting at the same gun range. Magdumpers shouldn't have to go to the middle of nowhere. The people who want to not be surrounded by the sounds of gunfire should go somewhere not surrounded by people.
Reasons
in indoor ranges you could get away with cheaper ventilation by forcing rounds per minute lower
Fudd ass range masters need to flew what little authority they are given
Easy excuse to kick people out that they don’t like. Same reason for most fudd rules. If you’re a regular and don’t act like a jackass rules like that are almost never enforced.
>no rapid fire
Is an anagram for "inferior pad"
Because some people don't aim before they pull the trigger and range owners don't want to fill holes in their ceiling.xsj