What if Russia used unarmed civilian captives en masse as shields during offensives?

What if Russia used unarmed civilian captives en masse as shields during offensives?

Similar to what the Mongols did during sieges to demoralize and waste defenders' arrows. I'm not talking about poorly armed/trained penal battalions, but literally unarmed hordes of civilians, rounded up from say occupied Ukraine, who are sent to absorb bullets of defenders while Russian troops advance from behind. How would a modern military counter that?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    https://vocaroo.com/1odjLs7ak9nF

    >not me

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    1) while the idea might be compelling it turns out russians are not literal lord of the rings orcs
    2) international repercussions outweigh the potential benefits
    3) shit thread, go think about what you've done and be better

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >International repercussions
      I mean, in the short term perhaps, but honestly it not really much different to lining them up after mobilising them first and sending them to be cannon fodder.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >1) while the idea might be compelling it turns out russians are not literal lord of the rings orcs
      Yeah just shy of that, having mutilated POWs and raping everyone from babies to old men. And eating dogs
      Frick vatniks

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >no idea what the frick that original image is based on
    >look it up
    >oh cool they taught this gorilla to sign
    >oh cool this gorilla liked cats, very cute
    >oh cool this gorilla was either an accomplice to a sexual predator or a sexual predator
    >wait
    >what the frick did I just read
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koko_%28gorilla%29#Nipple_fixation

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >"Koko, you see my nipples all the time. You are probably bored with my nipples. You need to see new nipples. I will turn my back so Kendra can show you her nipples."

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I was going to post on this thread about furry girl ball huffing like I always do but jesus christ dude. What the frick

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      > On another occasion, one of the gorilla's handlers told the woman that Koko wanted to be alone with her. When the woman went to Koko's enclosure, Koko began signing "Let down your hair. Lie down on the floor. Show your breasts again. Close your eyes," before beginning to squat and breathe heavily.
      #metoo

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous
    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This b***h was just making shit up. She tried to hide it by saying that only she could talk to and understand Koko, but when people actually read what Koko was signing, it was just 90% gibberish 10% repeated demands for food. She had roughly the same language recognition as your dog understanding what dinner means. They don't understand it as a concept, but they do know that food follows that word.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    This isn't the Bronze Age.

    You can't just do brutal fricked up shit like that and expect the population of your nation to support your war. War isn't a competition of who can stab the most guys with spears on the other side, at least it isn't anymore.

    If you lose enough public support, you are forced to withdraw like Afghanistan or the American Revolutionary War. Or you simply get couped or overthrown, as history has shown us. The Russian people are already turning against Putin, conscripts are not volunteers. You have to deserve volunteers to get them, that's why US military recruitment is failing. If the people aren't behind the war, you are in trouble, you may not even be able to wage a war to begin with. That's why the corporate media pushes so much warmongering.

    In modern war, public opinion matters. That's what the much misrepresented "hearts and minds" actually means, not extracting intelligence from locals for counter-insurgency.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >You can't just do brutal fricked up shit like that and expect the population of your nation to support your war.
      You can if you're Russia.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      In modern war, fighting is only a small part of the struggle.

      Most of the war is actually public opinion. This is what top US military strategists learned in the Middle East.

      No amount of missiles, tanks, aircraft carriers, drones, helicopters, or technical overmatch is going to change this. It's why rice farmers and desert shepherds took on the most powerful military force in the world and won. It's also why the Patriots took on the most powerful empire in the world in 1776 and won.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Rice Farmers and 1776ers with the backing of 1+ global powers.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I understand that the chances of this ever happening are less than zero, and i was probably wrong to frame it in the context of Russia-Ukraine. But still, i'm curious how a modern military would react to this brutal tactic from the past even if its just pure abstract

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        What would happen is the same thing that would lead to why the Mongols started losing, rival city states figured it wasn't a good idea to sabotage each other when dealing with Mongols, because it just put them on the chopping block next. This isn't to say people "banded together to defeat the Khan". But a large part of Mongol success was in part of negligence/blind eye casted by yet to be affected territories. Once that stopped, their victories got way more costlier and smaller scale.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          That's the political implication, yes, but what about the battlefield tactical implications

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >tactical implications
            They MAY win that particular engagement, I guess. Regardless,big picture they'd wind up losing because once word gets out nobody in the occupied territory is going to stick around.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        You create the moral and itself conditions for your enemy to firebomb your urban centers.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >If you lose enough public support, you are forced to withdraw like Afghanistan
      >America listens to its citizens regarding matters of war
      Court jester

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    What do you think that those forcibly mobilized people from russian occupied territories are?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Wagner already did that
      They were using Ukrainian POWs as living shields during their attempts to take Hyper Dimensional Fortress Bakhmut

      what are ukrainian responses/rhetoric towards the gorillion mobilized of Luganda and Donbabwe and the people they forcibly mobilize?

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    There are r*shan military units currently in occupied Ukraine using civilian spaces in order to make sure they don't get bombed. They know the ukies won't bomb their own civilians. They're basically using them as meat shields.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Massive nuclear first strike on Moscow and St. Petersburg, which is honestly overdue anyway.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      You create the moral and itself conditions for your enemy to firebomb your urban centers.

      So this tactic would be so horrible that it would lead to the breakdown of all conventions on warfare by all sides?

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Russian order to round up civilians would become aware to Ukraine’s forces
    >Aerial surveillance and confirmation of unarmed civilians moving to the front would be observed
    >Ukraine would immediately throw every missile they have at rear positions. They would throw leaflets on how to surrender
    >If they carry through anyways, Ukraine might try a lightning offensive with everything they have to confuse a Russian offensive
    >the UN would throw the biggest hissy fit in history, literally every country would call Russia detestable
    >possibly incur a coalition of countries sending peacekeepers to the region if it is drastic enough
    That’s the probable scenario tbh. Of course, Russia lacks the rear troops to enforce such a mass roundup of millions of people.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >They would throw leaflets on how to surrender

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >literally unarmed hordes of civilians, rounded up from say occupied Ukraine, who are sent to absorb bullets of defenders while Russian troops advance from behind
    just like in my heckin' military sci-fi novellorinos
    >How would a modern military counter that?
    more precision guided munitions

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I actually wondered why they haven't thought of that as a way to protect depots, bridges, or anything really. Just round up ukrainian kids and shove them in cages there. If they get bombed raise alarm for war crimes, and if they don't - success. It's a win/win.

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Wagner already did that
    They were using Ukrainian POWs as living shields during their attempts to take Hyper Dimensional Fortress Bakhmut

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