What if Russia used unarmed civilian captives en masse as shields during offensives?
Similar to what the Mongols did during sieges to demoralize and waste defenders' arrows. I'm not talking about poorly armed/trained penal battalions, but literally unarmed hordes of civilians, rounded up from say occupied Ukraine, who are sent to absorb bullets of defenders while Russian troops advance from behind. How would a modern military counter that?
1) while the idea might be compelling it turns out russians are not literal lord of the rings orcs
2) international repercussions outweigh the potential benefits
3) shit thread, go think about what you've done and be better
I mean, in the short term perhaps, but honestly it not really much different to lining them up after mobilising them first and sending them to be cannon fodder.
>1) while the idea might be compelling it turns out russians are not literal lord of the rings orcs
Yeah just shy of that, having mutilated POWs and raping everyone from babies to old men. And eating dogs
>no idea what the fuck that original image is based on
>look it up
>oh cool they taught this gorilla to sign
>oh cool this gorilla liked cats, very cute
>oh cool this gorilla was either an accomplice to a sexual predator or a sexual predator
>what the fuck did I just read
>"Koko, you see my nipples all the time. You are probably bored with my nipples. You need to see new nipples. I will turn my back so Kendra can show you her nipples."
I was going to post on this thread about furry girl ball huffing like I always do but jesus christ dude. What the fuck
> On another occasion, one of the gorilla's handlers told the woman that Koko wanted to be alone with her. When the woman went to Koko's enclosure, Koko began signing "Let down your hair. Lie down on the floor. Show your breasts again. Close your eyes," before beginning to squat and breathe heavily.
This bitch was just making shit up. She tried to hide it by saying that only she could talk to and understand Koko, but when people actually read what Koko was signing, it was just 90% gibberish 10% repeated demands for food. She had roughly the same language recognition as your dog understanding what dinner means. They don't understand it as a concept, but they do know that food follows that word.
This isn't the Bronze Age.
You can't just do brutal fucked up shit like that and expect the population of your nation to support your war. War isn't a competition of who can stab the most guys with spears on the other side, at least it isn't anymore.
If you lose enough public support, you are forced to withdraw like Afghanistan or the American Revolutionary War. Or you simply get couped or overthrown, as history has shown us. The Russian people are already turning against Putin, conscripts are not volunteers. You have to deserve volunteers to get them, that's why US military recruitment is failing. If the people aren't behind the war, you are in trouble, you may not even be able to wage a war to begin with. That's why the corporate media pushes so much warmongering.
In modern war, public opinion matters. That's what the much misrepresented "hearts and minds" actually means, not extracting intelligence from locals for counter-insurgency.
>You can't just do brutal fucked up shit like that and expect the population of your nation to support your war.
You can if you're Russia.
In modern war, fighting is only a small part of the struggle.
Most of the war is actually public opinion. This is what top US military strategists learned in the Middle East.
No amount of missiles, tanks, aircraft carriers, drones, helicopters, or technical overmatch is going to change this. It's why rice farmers and desert shepherds took on the most powerful military force in the world and won. It's also why the Patriots took on the most powerful empire in the world in 1776 and won.
Rice Farmers and 1776ers with the backing of 1+ global powers.
I understand that the chances of this ever happening are less than zero, and i was probably wrong to frame it in the context of Russia-Ukraine. But still, i'm curious how a modern military would react to this brutal tactic from the past even if its just pure abstract
What would happen is the same thing that would lead to why the Mongols started losing, rival city states figured it wasn't a good idea to sabotage each other when dealing with Mongols, because it just put them on the chopping block next. This isn't to say people "banded together to defeat the Khan". But a large part of Mongol success was in part of negligence/blind eye casted by yet to be affected territories. Once that stopped, their victories got way more costlier and smaller scale.
That's the political implication, yes, but what about the battlefield tactical implications
They MAY win that particular engagement, I guess. Regardless,big picture they'd wind up losing because once word gets out nobody in the occupied territory is going to stick around.
You create the moral and itself conditions for your enemy to firebomb your urban centers.
>If you lose enough public support, you are forced to withdraw like Afghanistan
>America listens to its citizens regarding matters of war
What do you think that those forcibly mobilized people from russian occupied territories are?
what are ukrainian responses/rhetoric towards the gorillion mobilized of Luganda and Donbabwe and the people they forcibly mobilize?
There are r*shan military units currently in occupied Ukraine using civilian spaces in order to make sure they don't get bombed. They know the ukies won't bomb their own civilians. They're basically using them as meat shields.
Massive nuclear first strike on Moscow and St. Petersburg, which is honestly overdue anyway.
So this tactic would be so horrible that it would lead to the breakdown of all conventions on warfare by all sides?
>Russian order to round up civilians would become aware to Ukraine’s forces
>Aerial surveillance and confirmation of unarmed civilians moving to the front would be observed
>Ukraine would immediately throw every missile they have at rear positions. They would throw leaflets on how to surrender
>If they carry through anyways, Ukraine might try a lightning offensive with everything they have to confuse a Russian offensive
>the UN would throw the biggest hissy fit in history, literally every country would call Russia detestable
>possibly incur a coalition of countries sending peacekeepers to the region if it is drastic enough
That’s the probable scenario tbh. Of course, Russia lacks the rear troops to enforce such a mass roundup of millions of people.
>They would throw leaflets on how to surrender
>literally unarmed hordes of civilians, rounded up from say occupied Ukraine, who are sent to absorb bullets of defenders while Russian troops advance from behind
just like in my heckin' military sci-fi novellorinos
>How would a modern military counter that?
more precision guided munitions
I actually wondered why they haven't thought of that as a way to protect depots, bridges, or anything really. Just round up ukrainian kids and shove them in cages there. If they get bombed raise alarm for war crimes, and if they don't - success. It's a win/win.
Wagner already did that
They were using Ukrainian POWs as living shields during their attempts to take Hyper Dimensional Fortress Bakhmut