>what if cannon but...

>what if cannon but... LE BIG
was it autism?

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  1. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    It’s the epitome of appearance over utility. Probably could have built a thousand+ tanks/artillery pieces, and fueled them for months too, had those resources not been invested in such a stupid idea.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      You don't get it. Fascism was the greatest experiment in human history. Just the blueprint of these wunderwaffe, are worth more than 100 divisions. SOVL

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      But would that actually have won the war? Maybe Germany knew it was screwed unless they could create a wonder weapon. Too bad they didn't rush the nuclear tech tree.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Forget tanks and artillery pieces. Had the Germans just built fricking trucks they would have materially improved their situation somewhat. While USSR was getting Studebakers by the thousands the Germans were overwhelmingly using horse drawn carriages on the eastern front for logistic purposes.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          And how would they have fueled those trucks?
          Germany's biggest mistake was not bumrushing the caucasus oil fields and instead trying for moscov. Well that and declaring war upon the US after Pearl harbour. Sure it was probably inevitable but the longer the US stayed not 100 % committed the longer you could focus on setting up in the east.
          Well also alienating a lot east euros when they would have been more than happy to join in on your anti-bolshevik crusade if you'd have labeled it as such. But such a change would require an ideological switch to the point that the nazis are no longer nazis.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        even if they had gotten those NOOKS are not some magic wand that would have saved their asses. Specially 1940s equivalents of what are small semi conventional tactical nooks by todays yield standards.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          I think you’re underestimating the power of nukes. Germs most definitely would have been able to fight the eastern front to a stalemate or possibly even reversed it with just a couple nukes. As well, I’d imagine they would have had no issues sourcing some dude to fly a one-way mission straight to Moscow. Though Hitlor never used chemical weapons I don’t think he would have been put off entirely by nuking a enemy he viewed as unyielding, much like Truman wasn’t put off by idea of nuking Japan.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >nukes
            Germany had no strategic bomber after the massive 'Bomber B' fiasco. Using nukes on the frontlines would had been useless

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Though Hitlor never used chemical weapons
            not true, they just didn't use them against the Western Allies
            Soviets got hit by them several times, notably at Sevastopol

  2. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah

  3. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    big-kanone-vs-missile.gif

    >the V1 had better range, HE filling and probably better CEP

  4. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is there any way to estimate how much armor it would punch through at close range? I know it's just a hypothetical, not practical question.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      It doesn't even need to. It's firing a seven ton projectile. The impact alone would kill anyone in a tank and it would pierce a battleship through the belt and exit out the other side.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        I know I know, I only mean in a purely theoretical sense.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      7 meters concrete ~1.4 meters steel.
      According to de marre 1000-1100 mm RHA (~1.5 m of mild steel)

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        What website is that from?

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          The pic is from
          https://wiki.warthunder.ru/New_formuls_for_calculating_of_the_armour_piercing
          Another website is
          https://www.tankarchives.ca/p/demarre-calculator.html

          Both have the same basis: De Marre formula (and Krupp on TA) to get a rough estimate of pen value.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        894mm with the armor piercing shell according to the Krupp formula.

        Very interesting, I would expect more, I figured 50-100% more than 16/18 inch guns, which if I recall could get up to 900mm or so at point blank range.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          It's just too wide, that always interferes with penetration

          We need to neck it down like a giant 357 Sig

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous
            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              frick off moron

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Is that really seven tons??

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            800mm/.177 Kinetic Atrocity

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Could you survive being hit by this in a modern tank

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Something that large? Absolutely not. Even if the blast didn't kill you(it would) the kinetic force hitting the tank would rip it apart.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              I saw a simulation on youtube

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              lol no

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          It's slow, smaller faster rounds would achieve more.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            On wikipedia it said 2400fps, and the 16 inch guns on the iowa were 2500fps. Is that just wrong? It wouldn't surprise me but thats what I was going off of.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Kinetic penetrator go at 5600 ft/s. Kinetic energy is half mass and velocity squared, big rounds are not the way.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                But the comparison you responded to was to a 16 inch gun not to a saboted modern tank round.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        How is a 7 tons projectile containing only 250kg of explosive ?

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Actually is a lot, 250kg of filling is 3.5% of the mass, by volume it's 14% explosive, 86% steel.

          A german tank shell WWII (7,5 cm Panzergranate 39) had 10 times less explosive by %. (0.26% by weight, 1% by volume)

          A 155mm has less than 8 kg of high explosive for a 40-45 kg shell (20% explosive by mass).

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      894mm with the armor piercing shell according to the Krupp formula.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/3hVUKIp.png

        7 meters concrete ~1.4 meters steel.
        According to de marre 1000-1100 mm RHA (~1.5 m of mild steel)

        No way, that's comparable to a naval gun like half the size.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Larger doesn't means better penetration, more mass, velocity with less diameter does (like APDSFS dars)
          Pen is proportional to Mass ^ 0.71 / Diameter ^ 1.12 (De Marre formula)

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            16 inch guns penetrate more than 8 inch guns, it stands to reason that a 32 inch gun should penetrate more than a 16 inch gun. The 16 inch gun isn't firing a APDSFS, it's firing what appears to be the same kind of fat assed old school penetrator.

            Look this is easy to figure out, plug a 16 inch shell into your formula, and we can see what the discrepancy is with the 800mm cannon. If your calculation spits out the numbers we know from testing 16 inch guns, then we know it has to be something about the design of the 800mm shell, either proportionally much lighter than it should be, too much explosive filler etc.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              The official data for the 80 cm is 7m concrete / 1m steel (not specified).

              >discrepancy
              Explosive filling aside the main discrepancy is that the 80 cm didn't had a real AP shell, only AC (anti concrete). And velocity.
              The Yamato's guns had less pen than the american 16".

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >The official data for the 80 cm is 7m concrete / 1m steel (not specified).
                Isn't that at the end of a shot at extreme range?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Late in Autumn 1941 the first engines : D311.01 A/B and D311.02 A/B appeared on the gun range at Rugenwald. Before this the not totally completed Dora had already been successfully tested on the gun-range at Hillersleben, to establish if the penetrating power was sufficient. On a little hill a kind of platform was built on which a concrete plate of 7 meters as well as an armour plate of 1 meter was placed. With an almost vertical barrel and a special driving load the targets were penetrated.
                So it's probably an 'extrapolation' using a formula like Krupp's (fairly accurate for the same shell at different velocities so that isn't a problem).
                If something the problem that those AC shells are closer to SAP than AP and that the 80cm is lighter vs size (shorter) than the 16". A 10.5T shell would have twice the pen value than the 16" according to De Marre, the standard formula used to compare naval guns.

  5. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Don't act like you'd do anything different.
    Just TRY and tell me that in a hypothetical situation where you get to be in charge of the German MoD, you'd be the complete butthole who says "Nein, you vill NOT build ze giant cannon!".

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Personally, yes.
      I would've been that butthole.
      Frick your WW1 gun dino!
      von Braun, build me 100x more V1 and YOU Horten.
      Build me a NEW invisible Luftwaffe,
      shut the frick up Messerschmitt!

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      My autism would probably be more directed at shitting out enough Maus tanks for one to actually see combat, but yeah

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, I would want the resources allocated to my own autistic wunderwaffe. Such as the ratte.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      If I have my ego in check I will say no.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >having your ego in check in the 30s-40s

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Well duh, I'd divert funding towards jet planes. My Wunderwaffe is better than your Wunderwaffe.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      No, because every reichsmark spent on that stupid gun is a reichsmark not spent on MY pet project, goddamnit!

  6. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    yeah

  7. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    kino

  8. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    pure sex
    wonder how it felt like to be under the underwater bunkers of sevastopol when this Black person hit

  9. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Sometimes I think the whole German war effort was a plot to get all the Logi guys to commit mass suicide

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Logistics are quite simple for this since it's always connected to a railroad.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >needs a a small city to operate, not to mention AA detachments

  10. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Their conception of the technology timescale was off by a couple hundred years.

  11. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >was it autism
    It's German weapon engineers so the answer is always "yes"

  12. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    All Germans have autism, anon. They're an autistic race.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      No that's Finns you're thinking of. The Germans just put their autists in positions of power

  13. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    muh propaganda

  14. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    it was designed and built in anticipation of dealing with the Maginot line. It's not their fault that the French left a massive gap to exploit and left them with a giant frick-off gun.

  15. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    It was very effective in wearing down fixed fortifications like at Sevastopol.
    They could just move it down there over rail.

  16. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    it was made to counter the other great autism

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      God I wish there was a story of some lost panzer division accidentally frontally assaulting the maginiot line and they open up with everything they have.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        The Belgians had similar fortifications but forgot to add anti-air guns. The Germans simply dropped paratroops on top of them.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          paragliders, not paratroopers

        • 11 months ago
          .

          paragliders, not paratroopers

          Ah Eben-Emael, that turned out a truly poor investment.
          Imagine being the mastermind behind the largest and most impenetrable fortress I the world only for about 80 dudes with gliders to land on and disable it.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Italy’s attempt at invading France was basically that.

  17. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >what if cannon but... LE BIG
    Why do you speak like this? Speak like a normal fricking human being. Ask it properly, like "Why did they build such a big cannon" instead of this moronic reddit shit.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >reddit shit.
      People have been using language like OP's on PrepHole since I started using PrepHole in 2007, you complete fricking newbie moronc**t.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Well you're obviously suffering from dementia, since it's well known that adding "le" to everything was a reddit meme that PrepHole used in its own memes for the purpose of mocking redditors.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          I will clarify for both of you.
          >minor PrepHole meme derived from "but I am le tired"
          >cheeky use in rage comics
          >rage comics, due to high exploitability, spread quickly on PrepHole and elsewhere
          >gain incredible popularity on reddit, resulting in unthinkable quantities of unbearable cringe made by normies who can't meme
          >rage comics now associated firmly with cringe and reddit
          >"le" now a concise signifier of cringe, normie, pretentious, shallow enjoyment of a thing absent any real understanding of thing
          >humorously applied retroactively to German weapon developers of the early 20th century apparently giddy over large guns at the expense of practical understanding behind what makes artillery effective (meme purposely ignores that battlefield effectiveness is irrelevant to the very real psychological victory achieved by the gun's mere existence proving the speed, competence, and imagination of Germany's war engineers)
          Hope that helps

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            That's about right.

            I see people saying that paragraph breaks after multiple sentences and pepe is le reddit frog. Dumb.

  18. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Let's make a giant tank on train tracks
    >Vot goud gow reng

  19. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I dont know why they did it considering the Paris guns were a waste in WW1. You have somewhat of an excuse if you're the first to try a stupid idea. You have no excuse of your own country tried it within your own lifetime. Nevermind doubling down.

  20. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Germans
    >autism
    Pick two.

  21. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    It was to blow holes in the maginot line. Once France was dealt with they didnt really know what to do with em and they were used for propaganda and sometimes siege artillery.

  22. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I love stupid huge artillery and cannons

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      already in ukraine

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      That gun is adorable. Very metal slug.

  23. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    they realized they would not be able to outperform Russia in engineering so they hoped for a miracle if they tried something crazy

  24. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    They're German, of course it was autism.

  25. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >what if vulcan but... LE SMALL
    how did it work so well?

  26. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Well, respect this spirit "let's build a new world's wonder but le weapon", too bad we have only one colorized image.

  27. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    It was a mix of WW1 thinking and overestimating how much trouble french defenses would be.
    At its core the Gustav is just super heavy siege artillery which was supposed to break even the heaviest french fortifications from a big frick off distance.
    They used similar things in Verdun but this time on rails.
    Was it ultimately stupid? Sure but back then the thinking was reasonable enough.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Was it ultimately stupid?
      German autism: SG 80cm
      Cost: 7 million RM each
      Operational life: 13 days and only 47 shots + 250 during testings (barrel was EOL)

      Extras:
      >The train carrying the gun was of 25 cars, a total length of 1.5 kilometres (0.9 mi).
      >a special railway spur line to the Simferopol-Sevastopol railway 16 kilometres (9.9 mi) north of the target
      >four semi-circular tracks especially for the Gustav to traverse.
      >Outer tracks were required for the cranes that assembled Gustav.
      >4,000 men and five weeks were needed to get the gun into firing position; 500 men were needed to fire it

      • 11 months ago
        .

        Yeah so? Consider what it was supposed to be used against.
        >The Maginot Line was enormously over budget, with estimates of its total cost ranging from 5 to 7 billion francs, (2019 USD 6.45 to 9.05 billion).
        Sure it was a waste of an investment and may even not have been a decent gun but that isn't the point I'm making.
        It was supposed to be a gun that's big enough to damage french fortifications, enough range so those can't shot back and to be able to quickly relocate in a rail heavy area.
        The idea behind it was reasonable and not pants on head moronic like trying to cut a steak with a cucumber.
        What made it stupid was that it was stick in WW1 thinking just like the french defenses.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          If the french defences had also covered the Ardennes forest like the germans did years later at the Hurtgen forest, nobody would laught today at the Maginot Line.

  28. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    they did it for the lulz

  29. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >was it autism
    No, it was fascism.

    Fascism is all about having your surrogate father (the state) treat you as the naughty little boy/girl that you are. It's about image over function, public perception. It's about creating an enormous, implausibly freudian metal wiener on tracks not because of actual utility but because you, your advisors and everyone in your government are neurotic messes.

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