What brand and what type of clothing do you guys wear for hiking and camping in your own areas? What brands have you had good luck with and which brands are known for terrible quality. Is it better to buy the cheaper stuff that way you're not worried about getting it scuffed or dirty? What do you guys wear, shirts, jackets, hats, pants, boots, shoes, and where do you hike?
I've been down a trail or two, I've seen fads come and go, that's why I always buy an Archwood™ backpack.
What's so special about it?
you can intimidate your surroundings with it for one.
Hey man, you're no Steve Climber.
But steve climber is
I wear what every I like but before hand I treat it with permitherin
Context: East coast mid atlantic. Low elevations, green tunnel, lots of rocky trails.
Clothing I generally stick with good brands but not tied to anyone. I have a local REI and when I go to buy socks and camp fuel I hit the garage sale. FB marketplace as well. Dead bird, Patagonia, Outdoor Research, REI housebrand work fairly well, but are often overpriced. Hunt the sales and used. It's worth some but not all of the premium especially since when I backpack I have usually one shirt, one jacket. etc. I will say that I simp for smartwool and darn tough for socks. The only thing I really cheaped out on is rain gear (frogg togg poncho) and shorts where I use cheap running shorts with a net. Even for day hikes I try to keep stuff out of my pockets and in a backpack. Especially wearing lightweight shorts a smartphone is very noticeable in the pocket. For times I don't want the backpack either I'm considering going with a fanny pack.
tl;dr One decent everything, replacements and trial stuff can be whatever.
I want to get darn tough socks but not sure about the sizing, I am 12 but I heard they are snug so I am not nut sure if I should get L (10-12) or XL (12.5-14.5), what size are you and what size darn tough socks do you wear?
I'd get Large in your case.
I’m size 12 and I buy XL darn toughs because they are snug and will shrink a bit once you dry them. Wearing XL’s as I type this and I’m comfy
how often do you wash them?
I at minimum rinse them after a long day sweating in them at home. On trail I prefer to have two day sets and rotate so the other can be dried and rinsed in stream when possible. I don't often toss them in the normal wash, I hand wash my activewear at home.
I am an 11.5EE and I wear Ls. They are a little snug but I prefer that.
>darn tough socks
>minus33 shirts
>prana zion slim pants
>first lite jackets
>salomon 4D 3 GTX boots
I try to wear a lot of merino wool. This is what I wore this past September for my archery hunt in the Rocky Mountains. I was off trail majority of time in some thick brush, boulder slides, marshy meadows, and occasionally on hiking trails.
What size feet and what size darn tough socks?
wtf why do you want to know my foot size? I used the darn tough lightweight and midweight hunting sock. I will say the Salomon 4D 3 GTX performed exceptional the first year but over 100 miles later the rubber toe started coming undone and it lost it's waterproofing. Not sure how typical a hiking/hunting boot should last. They performed pretty well otherwise. Also paired it with First Lite gaiters in wet conditions.
He's making fun of you because you are either a tryhard or a newbie for buying all those hyped up items.
Salomon 4D is not an exceptional boot and it was never waterproof. Its slippery on wet surfaces and if you would have taken it on slopes or into the mountains during wet conditions you would know that. The forces version is a little less slippery but still has a high risk of injury with a heavy pack in wet and hilly conditions. I just carry those Salomons instead of crocs as a camp and ascend shoes.
>Its slippery on wet surfaces and if you would have taken it on slopes or into the mountains during wet conditions
My experience with 4d's has been completely different. Been all over the Rockies & Cascades with them no problem, on & off established trails. So this post didn't sit well with me. Something was off about it.
Now granted I'm still using the version from 2016 because I found a bunch of pairs in my size at an REI garage sale back when they did those. And the outsole has been re-designed twice since then. Just by the looks of it the normal non forces v4 sole looks fine. But I haven't hiked in the v4. the v2 sole hasn't let me down though. i go up old mailbox or that mt si boot trail almost every week in 'em no poblem, that's really high angle muddy slick stuff. the boot trail kills people basically every year it feels like.
>The forces version is a little less slippery
Did you ever own the normal quests? Or only the forces? The outsole is completely different.
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Its not surprising that you wouldn't find the forces to be well suited for mountainous terrain. One of the biggest differences between the forces and the regular boot is that the forces use a multi terrain outsole designed to be non slip on flat surfaces like concrete. The forces sole is designed for the kinds of things a soldier would do, multi terrain versatile, indoors and outside, nonslip. not exactly things you want your sole designed for, with hiking. you can see just looking at it. I'd imagine it might use a slightly harder rubber for a military application as well but i'm too lazy to search online if that's true.
i kinda suspect a case of "bought the wrong version of the boot bc you didn't do any research"
>Salomon Quest 4D
I have this sneaker in two versions 4D 3, Forces II without goretex. Its good for dry conditions, urban areas, and flatlands, when its wet you're going to slip on any slope (meadow, rock, slick mud). The 4D does not belong in the mountains if its wet but you do you. My livelihood kind of depends on it.
jorts
Your the skinny fat pale faced gamer I keep seeing sitting on a rock, in all black with a vape?
>in all black
No I just wear jorts
can anyone recommend a merino wool boxer brief? smartwool has some but they're $48. little pricey.
Wool & Prince makes some good ones
Salomons, anything that looks like a heavier trail running shoe, I liked the 4Ds a lot but I doubt I’ll invest that kind of money in a boot that lasted 2 years anytime soon. I enjoyed using my Hokas trail running shoe as a ultralight vibe paired with a Salomon super light backpack vest thing. Great for carrying car keys, gels, droewors whatever. I’ve done 32km mountain ranges with running shoes and that vest. As for clothes, who cares for day hikes. Khaki short shorts and a button up for bush craft or overnighters.
I go through shoes fast, shoe glue and replace the soles often. Good socks and tape for the toes/blister spots.
First day of fall was Thursday. I can finally bust the wool sweaters I purchased a month back. Pic rel, one of the sweaters.
Any way to answer ops question, I intend to wear a shit ton of wool.
>that fit
SHEEEEESH
You think it's too tight? it is a little tighter than I normally wear, but I don't think it is too small. It is more of a fitted look. My friend's gf said I was adorable, I think she wants my dick.
I live in central VA, coldest it will probably get is in the teens. I will wear an oilskin jacket over it, pic rel, and a shirt and possibly a base layer as well.
>too tight
Nah bruh. I think that beanie + that sweater is FIRE. You need grey pants though. Maybe some Kühl or some Carhartt. That look is aesthetic.
You look weird in a cool way
That's a nice looking jacket
How cold does it get? Do you wear anything underneath or any other jackets on top?
is that to replace a down jacket around camp? i imagine its way too thick and warm to hike in until negatives.
stop listening to tactical gays they're never over 20yo.
all boots have shockingly bad puncture resistance. foam sole ones, leather sole ones, all of them. the highest i have seen tested only survive around 220lbs from a standard deck nail. if you hike places where punctures are a worry trailrunners are the best, as a lot of models have carbon plates with over 20x the penetrative resistance a boot sole would have. the whole rest of the shoe is less protective though. so its a trade off.
Nice house, grandma
Bought these Danners due to widespread high praise and numerous recommendations. Worn them for a few hours now and I’m not very impressed. I like the lightweight and all but damn they are really thin and uncomfortable. Do they have a break in period? Even my off brand POS boots were comfy. Thoughts?
I had the army approved version of those when I was in, I hated them. Way too thin. I was doing a training exercise once and stepped on a board with a nail in it, melted straight through the sole and into my foot. Gave them away after that.
>saxx quest trunks
>smartwool heavy weight socks, year round
>crye g3 pants because I bought them off a friend and I like having some measure of knee protection from rocks without wearing full on knee pads
>cheap spf rated fishing shirts
>sadly discontinued extra wide tyr tactical boonie hat
>$8 casio f-91w
>danner tachyon if I'm going somewhere easy that I know
>salomon quest 4d if I'm going somewhere new or rough
I like mine, but don't expect to walk across a bed of nails or work around heavy machinery in them. Think of them as "converse extra-extra high tops". I'm a med gay so I like that they're really light and nimble, and the higher shank or whatever helps keep my laces off the piss soaked ground in case they ever do come untied. You wont be scaling mountains in them, though
long baggy shorts gang
this is how I dress in spring and summer, pretty much.
looks gay af
Running shorts, a running zip up hoodie (with the thumb holes) and trail running sandals. Typically I hike naked once I get PrepHole a bit and will just dip off the trail if I see someone
Hey folks, what base layer would you guys recommend for biking at ~25mph in winter? It gets below freezing, but most of the winter is mid thirties throughout the day.
I was thinking of patagonia's thermal weight capilene, but I've also used and adored merino wool before so any brand recommendations would be appreciated. Oh, an outer layer for keeping wind off me would be helpful too, but I'm already mostly decided on a torrentshell unless people have other ideas.
BDU's work great as hiking clothes, they're built sturdy with tons of pockets and they'll work in basically whatever weather you want. I currently have an m81 woodland bdu with an olive drab green tank top, it's my favorite outfit to wear while PrepHole. Might get some weird looks, but if you factor in peoples perception to your PrepHole clothes you're the saddest queer imagineable
Pretty much all my stuff is decathlon own brand. Fricking good for the price and if it breaks you just take it back. Wool undies, socks and t shirt (and baselayer and jumper if it’s cold enough) and then polyester trousers/shorts/fleece/windbreakers over the top. That’s basically all I wear whether I’m sat at home or hiking in the wet. I’m a bong so shit is permanently damp for like 9 months of the year.
Behold, the ideal hiking PrepHolefit
You may not like it, but this is what peak preformance looks like
Is this the thread where we just post what we last wore while PrepHole? (For context: CA sierra, 50-70 daytime highs, ~low 30s nighttime lows.) Okay:
—MR stein 65
—FF hummingbird ul 20F
—thermarest xtherm
—s2s silk liner
I listed the sleep system and bag first to show the basic "frame" of my loadout. What I wear:
—running shorts and active underwear
—3x (2 pairs for day use, one pair for nighttime) darn tough hunting socks
—brooks cascadia trail runners
—mountain hardwear sun hoodie
—patagonia houdini air wind jacket
—patagonia terrebonne joggers
—smartwool 250 longsleeve pullover
—icebreaker 260 leggings
—FF eos jacket
—OR microgravity ascent 3L rain jacket (I always carry it, rain or shine, no questions asked)
I think I could shave some weight (there was absolutely no chance of rain, but I still have to carry the rain jacket everytime I go out), but I think it's mostly in the other things I carry: obligatory bear can in some sections, obligatory helinox chair, 3lbs double-wall tent.
What the frick, are you me?
I have a Stein 65, love Swamis.
Central CA hiker, out of Clovis.
Southern California, out of San Clemente. Actually, I was torn between going to Mineral King or Angel Adams this last weekend. I chose AAW.
*Ansel Adams
I would love to be decked out in gucci PrepHole gear like this, I've tried a couple pieces and I absolutely love the way the brand name stuff looks and feels. Lightweight, warm, and comfy. Kinda hard to describe, but I feel more "fresh". All together this is probably like 1-2k $ for a couple outfits though, not to mention the other gear like tent and other stuff.
>random t-shirt I happen to pull out my draw
>jeans I wore every other day of the week
>my one pair of $20 sneakers
>random socks I happened to pull out my draw
>my black flatcap
I've only just started going PrepHole, tbh. I'll buy stuff I need as I need it
This is always good advice: just get out there. Take enough water to survive the day (more than you think you'll need), take enough food/snacks to survive the day, wear something comfortable and breathable. You will learn to layer, you will learn what foods your body needs to survive and perform in strenuous activity. Start small, keep your ambitions in check, but always strive further. I've found running to be a great exercise in trial-and-error when it comes to ambition vs ability, besides being great exercise for actually hiking/backpacking.
>I'll buy stuff I need as I need it
yup that's how you do it
nice crown king
do the new ones suck or something? i'm still using the pairs of v2's i bought at rei garage sales for 50bux each and shrink wrapped 10 years ago. great boot back then. very waterproof. only complaint is the toecap likes to come unglued.
I've started wearing Arcteryx exclusively ever since I did my first hike last year, I don't even go out but have like 7 of their jackets and shells, I've started collecting Patagonia. I'm such a fricking poser.
Proposterous.
Rule Number 1: Brands are irrelevant. Get the cheapest stuff you can, you wont be able to ever get the smell off anyways. Outdoor clothes are meant to be used and abused.
Rule Number 2: Never bring extra sets of clothes of any kind. You wont need them.
Rule Number 3: Synthetic is only good as an outer layer against abrasion, wind, rain etc.
>less than 2 nights or hut tour/trailer camping:
You can get away with wearing all cotton and cotton socks but wear wool flannel and wool sweater over the cotton if it gets cold because cotton doesnt keep you warm and dry like wool does below 40F.
>cheap cheap rain gear
lightweight random poncho + waterproof over the calf gaiters; or pick a pvc commercial fishing jacket/parka instead of a poncho, will last forever (like grundens brigg)
>wool socks (50-60% or more wool content per sock necessary for it to work)
Option 1: double socks (recommended): thin merino liner sock + random wool/merino outer sock
You'll be able to march faster and longer with double socks especially if they get damp or wet and this setup will also prevent blisters. Stay away from synthetic liner socks. They will smell like death and you'll get fungal growth.
(cheapest option that works is probably the varusteleka set: M05 Liner + TST sarma merino socks)
Option 2: single sock: thick darn tough tactical or hiker socks are the best and far superior to all the other popular brands. I tested them all. the tactical minimal cushion option is great for summer.
>merino liner socks
>muh no synthetics
>flannel
>cotton
>poncho
elaborate troll? i've never seen so much bad advice in a single post. reeks of intard tradlarper and no experience.
Thanks for reminding me to add this disclaimer to my post
:
If you're an aspiring homosexual in tights, addidas skirt, and trailrunners, I'm not adressing you. Just go to REI.
>merino liner socks
yes. Finnish M05, or Woolpower Liners. They last, don't smell, and are antibacterial, and keep your feet healthy.
>muh no synth
Not what I said. Sythetics are good in composite up to 33% with cotton and up to 50% with wool. Its not good at 100% in baselayers for many reasons even if your favorite youtube REI homosexual says otherwise.
fleece is ok if worn as an outer layer.
>flannel
wool flannel in winter, cotton flannel in summer, homosexual
>cotton
yes, read again: (less than 2 nights or hut tour/trailer camping) it's actually ok to wear cotton outside even if you're favorite REI homosexual says otherwise.
>poncho
yes, poncho + gaiters. Because its cheap and it works. That's what you get in the military. Unless its winter or you're going above treeline late season you won't need to spend good money on membrane jacket+pants even if your favorite REI homosexual says otherwise.
But you can always go to REI and buy colorful overpriced synthetic rainbow stuff. I think it suits rainbow city homosexuals just fine.
>poncho
They’re a good theory but every poncho has a design flaws. It’s not an innate failure of ponchos, it’s that manufacturers either don’t know or don’t care.
Hood designs are the biggest culprit. They should be adjustable around the face and on the back of the head. Most aren’t adjustable at all; they’re just flappy pieces of shot that hang too low or get you wet. They have built in bills for rigidity. Speaking of flappy pieces of shit, very few I’ve built in belts or shock cord to cinch tight in windy conditions (wind being the ultimate enemy of poncho’s).
I used a Sea to Summit poncho for years before switching to a Packa.
your post reeks of inexperience. i don't even know where to begin with how moronic everything you've said is. merino wool liner socks durable? compared to what? that's just objectively not true. awful warp and weft tear strength, and merino fibers have a tendency to develop this disgusting slick feeling when exposed to sweat regularly. let me guess, first pair, first year hiking?
>Not what I said. Sythetics are good in composite up to 33% with cotton and up to 50% with wool. Its not good at 100% in baselayers for many reasons even if your favorite youtube REI homosexual says otherwise.
wool garments can't even handle snags from blackberry bushes. yes no shit its better in composite with synthetics, otherwise it has awful tensile strength awful tear resistance and has a tendency to unravel and run because of how the yarn's spun.
there's no way to physically make a wool garment 1/10th as robust as a nylon one.
man zoomers are fricking dumb these days. when i went to school materials science was the class they sent the moronic kids and stoners instead of physics. looks like you missed both.
>flannel
i'm not even gonna comment. flannels being associated with newbies is a trope older than i am. if lumbersexual is your thing, you do you. fashion isn't a big priority to me.
i pretty much only bring cotton shirts. its fine for the fairweather backpacker which is what 90% of recreational PrepHoleists are. (if even going out at all). theres never been a time where proper layers over a cotton shirt has not worked for me.
in fact, i see nothing wrong with anything he posted. wouldnt prefer a poncho personally but it works. you could probably do a short trip in jeans if you really wanted to but maybe pushing it depending on climate.
become enlightened
try the poly/cotton 50/50 blend shirt
>i see nothing wrong with anything he posted
the problem is its based on one anon's climate and experience. i don't like the idea of lists like that in general. his first list would have you like practically freezing to death overnight most of the year here. i sleep in my car all the time so i can start my dayhikes at sunrise. you need a puffy almost year round here. ponchos are useless where i live because its all windy mountains. etc.
using myself as an example because it all happens to be gear i'd advise the exact opposite of where i live. not saying it isn't good where anon lives.
i also just think merino liner socks suck, all around. great material for a single sock or oversock though. if you're going to spend $20 a pair on liners that fall apart in 2-4 months of hiking on a regular basis you may as well just go all out and get silk. it also kind of goes against his whole idea of being as cheap as possible when getting started (i agree)
personally if i was trying to be cheap i'd get polypropylene liners. they last as long as other synthetics but don't stink as much. they're like a half way point in smell resistance between nasty polyester and antimicrobial merino. annoying to find ever since rei stopped making them, though.
>you could probably do a short trip in jeans if you really wanted to
ye but literally why
who doesn't have a pair of gym/basketball/soccer/etc shorts?
damn man you live somewhere too cold lol. i admit where i live has significantly better weather than most of the world.
anything under like mid 40 to 50*f lows at night you can get hypothermic when wet
i've been experimenting with a new approach to hiking clothes in warm weather. inspired by bedouin desert robes. i call it billowsmaxxing. where the goal is to keep a constant flow of air moving around your body, and having the ability to dump your heat quickly without stopping.
so far it kind of looks like this:
baggy paper thin shorts. ass crack area cut out and replaced with mesh.
baggy wind pants.
toe socks.
mesh upper runners over boots where practical to.
XXXXL athletic shirt sized up until it fits slightly longer than a tunic.
bandana or neck gaiter or long hair to preference.
it looks goofy but i no longer sweat much above 100*f except my back.
Why not just buy the real deal rather than try to remake it with Western clothing? You'll probably look less strange
How would you dress for this kind of enviroment, Bit of a pipe dream of mine.
you are asking the wrong questions if you are serious about getting into mountaineering. clothing should be fairly far off in your mind. youre going to need to work on your skills first.
I've done a fair bit of scrambling
there's two ways to approach it. siege style and alpine style. you don't do alpine style until you really know what you're doing, that's big dick grizzled chad territory only.
look up expedition gear lists for the closest mountains that look like that to you. the guided tour gear lists are always going to be overkill because they have to deal with morons + legal liability but its a great starting point. plus if you ever actually do get into it you'll most likely start off doing guided summits and you'll need the overkill gear list as an investment to do them in the first place.
lots of books about mountaineering out there & these days a lot of people who blog the shit they do online who you can follow to get an idea. unironically plebbit is probably a good place to start if you wanna find people's gear lists.
It's been raining really hard on the east coast, I get most of my gear at tractor supply
rubber knee boots
thick socks
dickies cargo pants
thrifted columbia rainshell
ball cap
Been pretty much heaven, you can wear whatever the hell else
>thrifted rain shell
based. a bottle of washing machine dwr treatment and a thrift store anywhere around yuppieville can save so much money on rain gear. i find arcteryx, patagonia, not just the fashion stuff but the actual gear all the time at my local thrift stores. last time i went to goodwill outlet i got a $399 softshell brand new looking in the best color for about $10.
it only works if you live somewhere both urban + rich + has PrepHole stuff nearby though.
Pretty much all of my clothing is Patagonia (chest labels cut off).
Typical hike I wear a short sleeve tee shirt, long sleeve grid fleece hoody ("R1"), and a rain shell with pit zips if it gets cold. I add a lightweight insulated jacket in-between fleece and rain shell in at about 40 degrees.
On the bottom it's trail runners, tights, and shorts.
Hey guys - I'm from Florida and have been camping in colder climates twice now (cold for Florida, like 25-35 degrees at night) with friends. Plan to do the same this Winter. Any jacket recommendations?
>My poncho has buttons.
Works fine in the wind. Just sayin'.
they work fine at low elevations. if you ever go anywhere decently high elevation you'll quickly learn that the wind can come from underneath you. and that wind gusts on the top of mountains are easily strong enough to rip the snaps out of your poncho. walking around on the top of the mountain wearing a boat sail in 80mph wind isn't very fun.
lol ask anyone who lives in colorado, washington, cali, etc its super common knowledge you don't bring your poncho to the mountain. i guarantee you anyone from washington will tell you the same thing. highest average wind speeds in the country in our mountain ranges.
love me a poncho breeze when i'm closer to sea level though.
weird they must have really gimped the v3's and v4's. my training hike is a 60 degree unmaintained muddy and severely eroded straight shot up to 5k.. almost every weekend including winter since the v1's first came out.. like 2012? never slipped & consider them grippier than most boots i've owned. maybe they cheapened the outsole compound in v3 and beyond? sometimes these things can look very similar but be totally different.
honestly i don't know what they would even change from the v1/v2's other than cheapening them... other than the toe cap delaminations they're perfect, and there's no real way to fix that. so it makes sense.
This is absolutely the last place anyone should be asking for advice or listing to anyone. Most of these people really don’t go outdoors. That’s not hyperbole or me trying to be contrarian; it’s a factual statement.
Just look at the content. How many people are telling us about recent outings? It’s fricking pathetic. Ironically, there’s some gatekeeping about day hikes not being hardcore enough, but when there’s a thread specifically about recent stuff, it’s all day hikes (which don’t require any specific clothing and often don’t require packs).
Gear threads are just as lame, with military larpers always interjecting their Funko Pop tier collector item Alice packs and complaining about bright, vividly colored gear that has only existed in dated pictures for the last few decades. And don’t forget your shovel. And a hatchet, even though it’s not winter and you won’t need one until it’s snowing consistently. Here’s a Hilleberg tent designed for heavy snow loads that I’ve never used, never seen, can’t afford, is impractical for most of the year, but will be recommended by some homosexuals anyway.
I know someone who has a HB Tarra. He uses it carcamping xD and calls it extrem backcountry expeditions. It might be expensive but is actually suitable year round, definitely not impractical like you say. If you can get it used for $500 its a good deal I would take any day.
>shit ventilation
>yeah bro just use it in summer and drown incondensation, it’s fine
Nah
>thinks condensation in summer is a problem
You don't go out do you?
Not everyplace has the same weather patterns as you. Relative humidity is higher in the summer here, so condensation becomes harder to manage.
I'm just tired if all the consumerism. Why can't we go back to how things were natural. It's why I only wear a handkerchief around my neck and a nice coating of Johnson and Johnsons® Baby Oil™. Slide right down that trail.
You're a gem. Wanna go camping?
like tonight? yeah, I could pick you up at the airport if you take the last flight. I'll take you to my favorite mating spot (elk) and you can pet some elks while I film. Then we can post the gore here to scare the basement dwellers.
Please stay in California and leave the rest of us alone.
Oh you’ve done it now. Give me your coordinates so I can raise your cost of housing and open a kink friendly coffeeshop
If it pleases m'lord I will overnight today and post a full experience report by tomorrow night after work?
Take pictures and use them to shame the knife collecting geargays who don’t go out. Also if you hike less than 5 miles from your car don’t bother.
Its 5 pm already not going to make more than 5 miles today. Besides I know a close spot where elks are and its mating time/season. They'll be full of testo and roaring all night. If I don't post by tomorrow night you'll know I was gutted.
Cheap millitary surplus, I mostly use non camo shit. I bought this for 20€, it's only half woll tho.
I just ordered a Polartec sweater for a midlayer, anyone have experience?
You'll only be using that at winter temps well below freezing or you're a casual. I would invest in wool instead. Get it cheap used or on sale 50% off or more.
what weight polartec?
polartec 100 weight has been the gold standard active insulation layer since the 1980's. very good stuff. the only thing slightly better is polartec alpha direct but its about as durable as a wet napkin and requires a shell over top to function.
anything heavier is winter only.
this anon is straight up moronic, ignore this post.
you didn't even ask the weight of the fleece idiot. quit posting garbage recommendations. wool is an awful mid layer. bottom of the barrel in durability, performance, everything.
Hardware mountain, Prana, McKinley, Decathlon Salomon Keen
Just started hiking again this year and I’m hoping to hike up until November, early December. Live in NE, so it can get pretty cold here. Especially the further inland I go.
So far I’ve been fine in a wool tshirt and a lighter poly pullover I got for free. I’ve also got a thick wool flannel, wool hat, and good wool socks that I haven’t needed yet. Will I need anything else to keep me warm as it gets colder? Most people I see on the trails are wearing more shit than me but I can’t tell if they’re more prepared or just shopping addicts. Highest trail I hike is 2500ft, don’t go out if there’s rain.
>it's actually ok to wear cotton outside even if you're favorite REI homosexual says otherwise.
in no situation is it the best, or ideal. sure for a total newbie, but almost everyone has synthetic workout clothes somewhere in their closet, which will be better suited.
>yes, poncho + gaiters. Because its cheap and it works. That's what you get in the military. Unless its winter or you're going above treeline late season you won't need to spend good money on membrane jacket+pants even if your favorite REI homosexual says otherwise.
by the sounds of it you live somewhere really flat and probably never hike mountains. that's okay but don't make blind recommendations and assume everyone else lives at sea level. this is a global forum.
maybe its a different case in europe but rain jackets are cheaper than ponchos in america so i really don't see the point. most ponchos start around $30 here and you can get a set of frog toggs for like... $15 which outperform pretty much everything that isn't made of gtx shakedry.
>inb4 muh frog toggs rip and tear easily
ponchos snag everything too, neither one's suited for off trail. both are cheap, both have the same downside.
ponchos are great for the environments they excel in (warm day, low wind, rainy) trust me i live in one of the highest rainfall parts of the world. but they're a shit generalized recommendation. its like a niche item you buy after a rain jacket for the warmer days.
i hope you don't fool any newbies. good thing everything i say is backed by evidence and anyone can look it up, or go talk to their local guide or experienced local outdoorsmen and find out for themself.
jackets are the jack of all trades which makes them the better first purchase for a beginner. everywhere you could imagine going a jacket is suitable.
ponchos are a lot better in the right environment and unusable in the wrong one. more situational. good kit but i'd consider it a secondary luxury item for most anons in most climates.
if ponchos are really cheap and jackets are really expensive in europe for some reason, i guess i could rec a poncho before a jacket? with the caveat i hope you don't live somewhere windy or go anywhere with elevation?
Cant you just use a poncho with a belt? Kind of like a bathrobe. Seems like an easy fix
Old sneakers, gym shorts, t shirt, maybe a hoodie
Also an osprey 20L daypack with water and snacks.
I run a cheap setup, but I honestly wish I wasn't a poorgay so I could splurge and gear queer my rig.
You look autistic, which is almost certainly a good representation of your character
proceed
I'm an annoying homosexual who doesn't want to wear synthetics (le microplastics) or waterproofed fabrics (le forever chemicals).
>if cotton is rotten, what about linen?
>what kind of bags can I get that are just unwaterproofed heavyweight cotton canvas or something?
>what is the perfomance of waxed cotton like?
>where the frick do i find leather stitchy boots suitable for going out? I know nicks and whites exist but they're big investments and I don't live in the states so sizing would be a guessing game.
T. Guy who wants his stuff to decompose with the rest of him if he dies in the forest
>if cotton is rotten, what about linen?
both good, why not go with wool?
>what kind of bags can I get that are just unwaterproofed heavyweight cotton canvas or something?
cotton habersacks.
>what is the perfomance of waxed cotton like?
good, it will eventually soak through just like waxed leather but it will never be truely wet, or mushy wet, just damp. felted wool is also good.
>where the frick do i find leather stitchy boots suitable for going out? I know nicks and whites exist but they're big investments and I don't live in the states so sizing would be a guessing game.
100% leather boots? nowhere, you have to go custom
Have a look here. If you want to go cheap try to snipe things off ebay or look for ww2 surplus.
https://www.steinkauz.com/
https://waldkauz.net/jagdaccessoires-bekleidung-und-zubehor/jagdbekleidung-herren.html
every natural form of rain gear will only keep you dry for a few hours. it all wets out. if that works for you, waxed cotton might work but don't expect it to be good rain gear. its very shit, which is why ppl are so willing to rape the environment.
there's synthetic options out there that don't use any forever chemicals. frog toggs is basically just bonded polypropylene, same textile they make some lab suits from, the half life on that stuff is pretty reasonable 500yrs or so. or you could impregnate a jacket with silicone, which has a half life under 300 years. both of those will never wet out.
mentioning it because waxed cotton isn't good enough if you live somewhere up north.
Hmm. Do you know anything about ventile? I think it uses some sort of silicone cotton even though they bullshit about it being natural
i was thinking silicone impregnated cotton is probably the best compromise when i was making that post. unnatural, but really inert and without a long half life, and most importantly i think it would work. i was going to try diying some at some point.
Tentsmiths makes an oilskin jacket/long coat that’s waterproof breathable, oilskin canvas is the original helly hansen waterproof/breathable material
>linen
Great for warm weather. Doesn't have much insulation anyway, so you're not losing much when it gets wet (just take it off - keep a merino baselayer for that case).
>Waxed cotton
Keeps you sufficiently dry to feel comfortable if you wear wool below. Not breathable.
>Leather boots
Leather boots with rubber sole are everywhere. Maybe not in america, but I can't help you there. If rubber soles are unacceptable, consider WW2 repros with hobnails.
I almost never go off-road, I compete in a sport where I'm barefoot, I spend all my time at home barefoot, but I do sometimes do long ass walk/run ruck/hikes on the roads through forests.
are barefoot/minimalist shoes a complete meme? I'd like to reinforce the posture and footstrength that I use barefoot, instead of beating it into a shape and expecting support that I don't have for the majority of my active life. I would like to maybe even heighten my arches a bit by making my feet adapt. would a minimalist shoe do that? is there a common preference or recommendation in that regard on PrepHole?
>where/when
primarily northern and southern ontario, anytime but dead of winter. day hikes/car camping (gear not relevant), interior and portaging. gear is for two people
>packs
osprey ~70l pack, black diamond demon daypack, giant sea to summit dry sack (portaging only)
>shelter/sleeping
pos (fly delaminatied; no longer used) black diamond 3 man, silicone tarp. cheap mec mummy bag + pad, puffy blanket or two (all temp dependant)
>clothing
again, all temp dependeant. wool base layers, wool socks, random breathable tops, mec sandbagger pants, goretex rain jacket and pants, smartwool midlayer, short shorts, 309 trail lites. add teva sandals and sun hat for portages. add patagucci down jacket, garmont winter boots, arcteryx soft shell pants, and/or mec ski pants for winter
>random shit I think is worth having
z foam pad, lightweight camp chair if you're made of money, coffee/reusable filter, playing cards, hatchet & small knife, waterproof pack cover and stuff sack, more guylines/rope than you think you'll need, flask of [insert shelf stable liquor of choice], all the nuts and dried meats, and at least one very tasty freeze dried meal/dessert as a treat
don't really have anything I'd super sell someone on, it's mostly a bunch of shit that I got on sale and don't exactly hate. I really like both my boots and would replace them with the same. I would say to stay away from anything less than 3 years old made by MEC, and everything I've ever purchased from black diamond (bar the daypack) has been trash (but I'm not a rock climber)
finally
>shill containment thread
excellent
from a few threads ago
>Since EU and US govs introduced flurocarbon bans modern DWR is shit. Doesn't matter price or brand, it's like trying to make a good pizza if wheat was banned. Once DWR fails, you have a soaked, cold layer of non-breathable nylon. Fine in drizzle but eventually sweat condenses and membrane starts seeping rain.
>There are currently 4 jacket materials that aren't faced with DWR treated nylon and do not wet out:
>Goretex Shakedry
>Pictured in Op's post. Featherweight, better moisture vapour transfer than some windshells, so good they're contractually not allowed by Gore to use pit zips (would help reg. temp). Eye watering $$$, reports of pinholes developing after thru hike or 2 years of civvie use. Perfect for cycling (but only comes in black/dark). Not for bushwacking
>Columbia Outdry
>Their answer to shakedry but beefed up so less porous membrane. Featherwt, lightwt and caldorado most breathable and light models. Burlier versions = no breathe. Mediocre moisture transfer but blocks wind. Same never-wets-out membrane outer, inside dries quick if overwhelmed. Very durable and light, some reports of delamination after 1 year (not experienced after 3 myself). SHIT hood design, gross colours, reports of declining seam quality. Cheap on sale and very sparse stock as this material never took off (maybe because its ugly and shiny). My favourite, 8/10 put it through the wringer!!
>froggs toggs ultralite
>Basically a rubber mac. Enough moisture transfer to dry inside overnight, these fit so poorly that mechanical venting happens by default. Not good for warmth, shit neck closure on hood (add velcro or snaps), shreds and pinholes easily. $20/£25 for a jacket (and useless pants/troos) that NEVER wets out, weighs 180g and mogs things 5x price. Nice colours.
>Silpoly/silnylon/pu jacket.
>Permanently waterproof (will need silicon refreshing after years), zero moisture transfer, relies on vents. Featherweight, packs TINY.
Silpoly dries faster nylon. Rare.
Anyone tried the rebook military boots? I saw good reviews from 1 guy
the hard part would be finding the best weave of cotton to hold it in. it'll be heavy. and it might lack durability where it creases long term and need reapplication. just my guesses when i was brainstorming how well it may work. if you use an aquarium grade additive free silicone it shouldn't be that bad for nature if some sheds.