How many conscription waves have we been through? Surely Putin can’t keep up this war after the next failed assault.
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How many conscription waves have we been through? Surely Putin can’t keep up this war after the next failed assault.
Their defeat will be like how Hemingway described bankruptcy "Gradually, then suddenly". At a certain point they will lose so many vehicles, run out of shells, get pushed out of emplaced defenses, and more mobilization will be pointless. Russia's problem won't be bodies, it will be "stuff".
We know that's you, former Lt. General Ben Hodges.
The loss of afghanistan brought down the soviet union. This is a million times worse, I cant understand how they kept up so far.
Before Afghanistan it was already quite clear the whole Soviet project was doomed, with breznevs stagnation and all that. Afganistan and Tsjernobyl where just the final nails in the coffin for a demoralised people and uninspired party.
Meanwhile this very "special" military operation was supposed to be the great reawakening of Russia, so it takes longer for delusion to wear off and demoralisation to really set in.
>Abel Archer '83
Brezhnev's cancer and fear that the military would coup both the Party & Security services once in the bunkers was the only thing that put them off a first strike attempt. Afghanistan was their Vietnam, and they actively sought it for that guard lowering response. Read the defector literature or current day Russian & Chink antics aren't legible.
>“Our major secret weapon is to deprive you of an enemy.” — Georgi Arbatov, UC Irvine (1988)
>with breznevs stagnation
Putins stagnation was called "stability" for almost two decades, the cope was "at least its not bad as on wect, at least we dont eat squirrels", entire russian economy was running on western money, either with help of greedy fucks, useful idiots or fifth column.
russia was a decade in afghanistan, shitshow in ukraine is going on or a year, russians are slow thinkers, need more time to find out
I helped teach a black kid how to tie his boots in boot camp when I joined the Marines.
no, this is some hot take. According to gorba what killed it was the clean up cost of chernobyl as the command economy was already rotten to the core. That and the unsustainable arms productions ramped up again by Reagan. After everything that has happened from chechnya to ukraine today you really think a couple of 10ks of MIA/KIA is even going to register on the vatnik hivemind? They even still think WW2 and Stalin GULAG prison system was some glorious victorious empire instead of the dysgenics program it was on their own population.
This "afghanistan ended vatnik union" seems to be more of a burgers projecting their vietnam experience unto others and thinking everybody else is like them
Have some fun
We’ve crossed the line from incompetent to just plain sad
>The loss of afghanistan brought down the soviet union.
They were doomed to fall since 1917
>tfw your economic system gets bodied by the mere existence of fucking trix push pops
That's reputed to be the most depressing moment of Yeltsin's entire life. You can almost see it in his face, like he's trying to wear happiness or bemusement as a mask. His drinking, and public reporing on it, increased quite a bit after this. It's honestly kind of heartbreaking, seeing him realize all the sacrifice demanded by communism would never be worth it.
>Implying the full shelves weren't stocked by the CIA to disparage command economies
>tfw communism falls and only then CIA marches in to fully stock every single good in every single shop
Same thing happened to Gorby in the 1980's in Canada
"The next day’s itinerary included stops at the Schneider’s meat plant in Kitchener and Bright’s Winery in Niagara Region. When Gorbachev wondered whether his hosts were showing him premier production facilities rather than regular plants, Whelan showed him a supermarket flyer to prove that the items he saw being made were not just for the wealthy. When this failed to convince Gorbachev, Whelan asked their bus driver to pull into the next supermarket along their route and got the store manager to provide a full tour. "
We broke the minds of their leadership with supermarketd
> If only you knew how bad things really are.
As a russian immigrant to US I can say that it's the saddest part that russians have no idea that it can be so much better.
You showed them the US supermarkets and we got supermarkets in Russia as well with similar amount of stuff now
But how do you show the fucking well paved roads, working storm drains, elected local government, etc.?
I've lived in english internet segment my entire life so I thought I know what's going there, but only after physically moving to US I saw how fucking easy and well-thought everything is here.
and then you read americans hating their country and putting it on par with south america or iran. though ultimately it makes sense, the only upside of communism is it makes you appreciate everything else
>The loss of afghanistan brought down the soviet union. This is a million times worse
Objectively correct. Afghanistan was a disgrace that broke the back of the Red Army, the last institution that could physically prevent the breakup of the Soviet Union. The war against Ukraine is a catastrophe that will break Russia as a nation. The shattering of their sword will be merely the tip of the iceberg, it is the breaking of their spirit that will be the greatest calamity for the Russian people.
>The war against Ukraine is a catastrophe that will break Russia as a nation. The shattering of their sword will be merely the tip of the iceberg, it is the breaking of their spirit that will be the greatest calamity for the Russian people.
There's a chance that it won't shatter explosively, in the next few years at least. Russia could be left a Pariah state, increasingly turning form Nigeria with snow into North Korea with snow, until it's colonized and taken over thoroughly by whatever allies are keeping it afloat financially.
I can see russia losing siberia and the u.s. giving it to Mongolia to make sure the Chinese can't have it
How does any of that happen?
In my dreams
The thing that is holding Russia together is not the army as that was already gutted long before the war. Today the glue of Russian society is the security apparatus and it is very hard to seethat collapsing due to war, as their resources are protected and pointless death is widely accepted by the society (similar to Great Leap Forward).
>Russia's problem won't be bodies, it will be "stuff".
russia inherited lot's of stuff
Yeah but how much of that shit is actually serviceable?
If I were to take every T-80 and every BMP and MT-LB out of that the vehicle graveyard, how many of them would still be able to do something as simple as have their engines start? How many sets of tracks or tires am I going to have to replace? How many still have guns that can safely fire?
This one, right here!
Imagine ANY vehicle, let's say a truck, being put outside behind the barn, all out in the open ...somewhere around 1992. That truck has been there for 30 years by now, exposed to the elements. Cold, rain, wind, snow, scortching sun in the summer... for 30 years.
The windows are either broken or smudged so that you can barely see through. Paint has been peeling off for years now. Someone has nicked the battery, headlights and a lot of wiring for his tracktor. seats are soggy and rotten through. Engine block has rusted so none of the parts are moving. Every single O-ring and rubber part has hardened and will crumble to dust from the first touch. A small bird has made a nest in the cabin, and judging from the guano covering the floor, it was not the first one.
What would it take to get that truck moving again? It would not be some summer car project that you can do in your back yard. It would require MONTHS in the workshop, with skilled team of mechanics (most of which are either too old to work anymore, too young and inexperienced to know what they are doing, or just have left the country to avoid conscription). Entire sections would have to be replaced, The engine would have to be removed and completely dismantled with every singly parts metal brushed from rust. it would require tons of spare parts to replace the old and busted ones (which you can not import due to sanctions, or in case of older tanks might not even be produced anymore). Practically all electrical systems would need to be replaced. All that gunk that used to be oil 30 years ago has solidified in the pipes and someone has to clean those up. The transmission? The breaks? All rust. Even the doors have rusted shut!
And now imagine you have 20,000 of those vehicles! All have been sitting outside in the open for the past 30 years. you do not have enough mechanics to refit them! You do not even have enough workshops to refit them!
I don't think so, Jim.
personnel ‒ about 162560 (+1040) persons were liquidated,
tanks ‒ 3504 (+12),
APV ‒ 6810 (+11),
artillery systems – 2539 (+11),
MLRS – 503 (+1),
Anti-aircraft warfare systems ‒ 265 (+3),
aircraft – 305 (+1),
helicopters – 289 (+0),
UAV operational-tactical level – 2145 (+13),
cruise missiles ‒ 907 (+0),
warships / boats ‒ 18 (+0),
vehicles and fuel tanks – 5394 (+17),
special equipment ‒ 257 (+0).
>vehicles and fuel tanks – 5394 (+17),
The Russian army has 10 “material-technical support” brigades. Each operates around 400 trucks.13 Jan 2022
All vehicle parts, motor parts, engine parts etc etc etc etc down to buttons and dials , wires and bolts are prohibited to be exported from the EU into Russia. ALl Chinese goods MUST be paid for with Euros under the terms of the China Russia trade deal. Russia no longer gets paid Euros for gas. All European vehicle manufacturers left Russia last year.
Now check how much the sanctions are actually respected by France and by French companies like Auchan. Serbia is doing more to fight Russia than France is.
I'm afraid that the sanctions are well respected by the EU and absolutely vicious in detail and extent. Russia is fucked. Most people don't realise they only came into effect in December....you can go and read the details every single item specified millions and millions of things and categories of items. Basically everything.
you see Russias are not from a real modern country but I will explain, every business in the EU has to file as part of their accounts every single little detail of goods imported and exported both within the EU and externally. Its a core part fo tax collection as well as things like import and export taxation to non EU or treaty trade states. It is meticulous I assure you and no company that files accounts is going o be trading with Russia. The EU is not some backward squalid corrupt dump like Russia. In fact the EU would have waited until december because the EU is so NOT corrupt contract law would have to have been fulfilled to prevent someone being sued for breech of contract (yes really). Now that that steel trade wall came down in December Russia gets nothing. Not even the phone call returned.
>The EU is not some backward squalid corrupt dump
And that's why germs and frogs continued selling sanctioned military hardware to Russia after 2014?
What part of the sanctions target supermarkets you fucking gay
>ALl Chinese goods MUST be paid for with Euros under the terms of the China Russia trade deal.
Source for this? It sounds like bullshit.
I think that is the dude who is normally "rah rah kill all Ukie children". Yet someone mentions the economics of production and the dangers of nationalization and he suddenly dishes out a dose of (accurate) realism.
What world am I living in.
tom sizemore spitting bars
At this point it would probably be easier to just build new ones than try to refit the old cold storage ones.
Oh, wait! They don't have the industrial capacity for that either!
Exactly. It’s enough of a pain to get something started that’s sat in a garage or shed and covered if it’s sat long enough. That’s relatively minor too. It could be a new battery, new gas, oil change, and cleaning the carb. That’s if mice didn’t eat any wires and in that case have fun figuring out where if they did.
That’s a relatively easy scenario and can take you a day. Couldn’t imagine it sitting outside for 30+ years. I have zero experience with tanks but even with a couple people I can’t imagine it’s easier than four wheelers or tractors.
I keep telling people. The fucking O-rings alone or anything made out of rubber is now dust, or will turn to dust at the first touch because rubber does NOT last that long, no matter what grade it is. Have you ever had to replace all the rubber components in a vehicle like that? Good luck. And that's just 1 out of 20 different types of parts you need to look at
All of this. When the US puts equipment into long term storage there's entire books on proceedures needed to protect them from the elements and keep them protected. Some components are taken out and immersed in oil. Airframes have tarps thrown over them and surfaces sprayed down with protective paint. Even a water proof tarp can keep water from corroding components.
lubing is gay, russia does not need this
They should drive their tanks through a giant vat of cosmiline before putting them in storage.
>It would not be some summer car project that you can do in your back yard.
I did one of these a couple years ago as a little winter project. A 70's Ford 4x4 pickup that sat in some farmer's field for 15-odd years. It was 9 months of wrenching after work and on the weekends. Rebuilt the fuel system and brakes. All of the wiring tested and repaired. Engine gaskets and seals. Ignition and charging system all gone through. Tore apart the entire interior to evict the rodents and put the dash and heater back to rights. Replaced most of the exhaust. Went through the front hubs and steering. Rebuilt the rear axle (why it was parked). Hundreds and hundreds of hours of labor. And I STILL had to baby it put-putting around for months afterwards working out the little problems like getting the windshield wipers to work right, door latches adjusted, linkages to the t-case sorted, and all the other little things you think are good but aren't.
That's what it takes to put these "ran when parked" vehicles back on the road and that old Highboy was in way better shape than these derelicts in a Siberian depot.
That sounds like a hell of a project. I’m curious, if you had 3 people of equal skill as you working on it 10ish hours a day how long do you think it would take? Still a couple weeks? That also doesn’t take into account the little issues you find when using it again like you mentioned
>Yeah but how much of that shit is actually serviceable?
lmao even if all of these rusted shut, cannibalized tanks were in perfect condition and ready to roll they would still get one shot killed by a Javelin on day one.
>they would still get one shot killed by a Javelin on day one
Don’t be ridiculous. They would get one shotted by an AT4 or a Carl Gustaf. No need to waste a javelin
Does Ukraine have enough of any of these to withstand further invasion?
>anon thinks zerg tactics work in real life
Nobody disputes that Russia has lots and lots and LOTS of "stuff", but even assuming that all of it can be made serviceable, sometimes no vehicles at all is better than a fleet of vehicles that are unreliable deathraps.
Pic related is a BTR-50, vintage 1958. Allegedly, this photo was taken a few days ago at a refurbishing plant somewhere in Russia, with this thing getting ready to be sent to Ukraine. I give it and whoever's inside it about 10 minutes to live after taking first contact, maximum. And when this piece of shit gets one-shot by an RPG-7 or an 82mm mortar, it will be a more damaging loss than if all of the men inside it had just died in firefights separately, because of the time and resources wasted on repairing such an ancient vehicle, fueling it, transporting it to the front, and training men to operate and maintain it, only for it to be written off after yet another frontal assault. Sure, you can look at it or at a T-62 and say "some armor is better than no armor at all", but that's not always the case for the aforementioned reasons. Treating heavy equipment as disposable is wasteful in more ways than you might realize initially, and that goes double in an army that isn't known for its ability to efficiently move material around and is already having trouble delivering the actual necessary supplies like ammunition.
Huh they are already down to BTR50s now that is a piece of shit
>Huh they are already down to BTR50s now that is a piece of shit
it's a brilliant vehicle from glory days of our grandfathers, you should be proud to ride on this into battle
I really have to question Russia's future capabilities as a mechanized fighting force. it has lost most of the good tanks and ivfs and is calling up vintage gear from the 60s. they are re-activating the old naval infantry t62s because they are in better shape than the older t72s. like what are the t72s in that bad of a shape? right now bmp1 losses are equal to bmp2 losses. what happens when all Russia can muster is a million gopniks in light infantry motorless rifle divisions? we are probably more than half way there and only now are the ukies getting nato ivfs.
light infantry cannot attack, will the monkey man pull out or what?
What I find really funny is how in almost EVERY combat footage video I've seen featuring a Russian BTR/BMP, basic small unit tactics seem to go out the window. When you can only have 7 dismounts because that's all you can fit in your APC, the logical thing to me seems like you'd use the APC's cannon as your fire element, and then flank with your dismounts. Instead, everything I've seen has been a line of guys hiding behind their armor expecting it to....just shred everything? I guess what I'm trying to say is that even in spite of the fact that Russian tactics and doctrine completely fall apart without APCs, it doesn't seem like adhering to any kind of a cohesive battle plan has mattered much to begin with. The platoon-sized human waves will continue. The lone tanks sent on probing attacks will continue. The blind artillery spam will continue. There will be no cost/benefit analysis that will indicate to anyone that continued operations are no longer worth their while, because there wasn't any from day one. Vatniks only ever thought in terms of "more land = win".
>Instead, everything I've seen has been a line of guys hiding behind their armor expecting it to....just shred everything?
The footage of the Uke Autocannon lighting up a bmp taught me how great arma is for battlefield simulation. Hear me out. It's not great because it's useful for trained soldiers. It's great because it's a perfect encapsulation of what untrained soldiers do. What the russians did is exactly what me and my friends and anyone whose not some nevercervix and not a grognard of military strategy would do:
>Hunker and hide behind big strong armor, even though you don't realize how hilariously unarmored it actually is.
How many people, especially mobiks, know that a BTR's side armor won't stop a fucking real fucking nato round? Or how worthless armor is to an autocannon? But you don't think that, you just herd mentality "This is big strong machine, better than weak flesh like me. I will hide behind it, it will keep me safe".
I'd imagine it's the same reason why some fucking new guy in Vietnam would want to ride in an m113 while anyone who saw service would ride on top because shit ain't going to protect you, and it'll hamburger help you if you get IEDeded.
>"This is big strong machine, better than weak flesh like me. I will hide behind it, it will keep me safe".
>small unit tactics
anon, they were never taught small unit tactics. I can believe that the VDV might have had a rudimentary grasp of fire and manouvre, but ordinary motor rifle battalions? Never.
To a vatnik, the 'fire element' is the AK in his hands. It points towards enemies, that's about as sophisticated as it gets.
>light infantry cannot attack
sure they can. just walk towards the enemy. now you are attacking.
And most of that is decades old with no maintenance or care. The US spends a lot of money keeping aircraft in it's boneyards in working order but these fields on old soviet vehicles don't even have tarps on them to keep the rain off. Parts will be rusted all to hell and electronics will be corroded. Even the oil lubing the engines will have gone bad.
russia keeps everything in working order as well, look here
Vgh... the grass growing in between the hexagonal tiles... SOVL
I mean they seem to be cutting back the trees occasionally. That's some high effort maintaining by Russian standards.
Sometimes I wonder if Putler just started this shitshow to use some of his old toys before they rust away
russia is unironically a great setting for dystopian/postapoc media with real wrecks in real ruins
Also helps that US boneyards are in dry environments
Yeah and 90% of it is rusted out dog shit that was already mediocre before it spent 30-50 year sitting in an open field exposed to the elements, animals, and hungry soldiers selling off parts
Russia has lost the equivalent of the majority of this photograph in Vuhledar alone since the start of the year alone
russia got much more
I feel the need for a tetanus shot just from looking at these photos
you posted the pictures of engineless rusty shells of what was the tank 30 to 50 years ago
you might as well posted the picture of an empty place
10 high quality machines are more useful than 20 with a 20% failure rate. (*depending on the context)
This shit compounds. One failure needs to pick up the business of another, but the overhead of the switch isn't cheap and the 'rescue' has the chance of failing itself.
They're using gold. They have quite the big reserve. Enough to keep this up for a year or two at least. But nobody is going to extend them a line of credit for a long while.
Modern equipment and even late cold war equipment is vastly more lethal than early cold war garbage. Hunter-killer capable IFVs with autocannons are going to shred droves of barely armed shitboxes at astonishing rates.
>Hunter-killer capable IFVs with autocannons are going to shred droves of barely armed shitboxes at astonishing rates.
Yep. Look what Bradleys did to Iraq in the 90s. They shredded T-72s and T-55s.
Even if an IFV is out of effective range to harm an older tank with an autocannon, their newer optics will at least spot it and they can call it in and avoid it. Older Russian tanks don’t have that luxury
even the shitty leopard 1s that were sitting in indoorstorage need to be refurbished before they are useful, can't imagine this going any better.
German tanks are over engineered, russian tank can be fixed in a day.
I remember reading that the Leopards and Abrams were actually much easier to service than a T-72. That came at a price in the design and in each tank, but the West had determined that maintenance was worth the extra cost. The Soviet/Russian mindset was that conscript labor's cost was little more than the calories they ate each day, therefore just use the cheaper design that's harder to service since you can always mobilize and throw more mobiks at the maintenance jobs. Problem solved, right? There's a parallel here to the Soviet rejection of palletization (just throw more men at it) and their pull model of supplying troops (just throw more resources at it).
>Their defeat will be like how Hemingway described bankruptcy "Gradually, then suddenly". At a certain point they will lose so many vehicles, run out of shells, get pushed out of emplaced defenses, and more mobilization will be pointless. Russia's problem won't be bodies, it will be "stuff".
This. They have already lost the war because they don't have the vehicles to get supplies to their front lines and only mud season is protecting them from the mobiks just getting up and walking out. Russia is also effectively bankrupt as a going concern, something Russia shills will race to try and deny but the cash reserve that Russia started the war with is gone and the sanctions and destruction of their gas and oil exports as well as current prices is ay below/worse in every way than Russia might have considered in even its worse case plans. Russia is completely out of anything approaching modern equipment or trained men and is out of money. Russia has lost the war but by not retreating six months ago they have also pretty much ensured Russia's collapse. The Russian public never had a very good grasp of economics, they love shouting about collapse and economic doom of captitalism/the west/the USA/The EU etc they don't really understand that they are going to live in africa with snow until they die and that fantasies about western economics that never materialise won't change that. Japan was better placed to win ww2 in 1945 after hiroshima than Russia is positioned to still exist in a decade.
Over 4000 now? In a day? What? How? It was news worthy when it was over 1000 for a few days in a row at the beginning of the week.
doesnt matter how many are killed
they can conscript more, and drag it out to train more troops like farm animals
russian dissidents are all suppressed, everyone is either silent or become Z-zombies
blow up their vehicles and supply till it's over seem more realistic than waiting till they run out of men
>they can conscript more, and drag it out to train more troops like farm animals
I mean, not really. There are only so many military age men in Russia. Remember, some will be gay, or physically unable, or will simply go awol to avoid conscription. Pop of Russia is about 140 million. How many of those are physically capable men in the 18-50 range who will actually comply with conscription? Don't forget to subtract the ones already killed or in service.
if you got cour call you go, there are no exceptions
First time I actually feel bad for a Russian in the war. You can tell he doesn't want to be there and he's being abused by the older conscripts/officers. Sexual abuse isn't out of the picture.
>Sexual abuse isn't out of the picture
I'd say the perpetrator is actually IN the picture, but that's just a unqualified guess on my part
You are both technically correct, sexual abuse isn't out of the picture and IN the picture.
I don't think anyone except fanatics want to be part of war. Your compete against an army of of men with big guns and their job is to kill you. Fuck that, I'm not playing. Irl i'm weak willed and likely be coerced or manipulated into it though* :/
The ones that want to participate are either dumb, indoctrinated or just took a ride on public sector benefit carousel and draw the bad card.
>How many conscription waves have we been through?
Honestly I've stopped counting after the 12th one.
>Surely Putin can’t keep up this war after the next failed assault.
Well yeah. Naturally at some point the ukraine will run out of its entire adult population
>Small 2 day denazification operation turns into a genocidal war of attrition
Jesus Christ, is this what you guys are reduced to?
With 5 to 1 k/d Russia will run out of people a lot quicker.
That's... not how basic mathematics work. Are you familiar with the concept of proportion? Or logarithmic function? Well anyway, five dead ukrainians for every one Russian is not a proportionate, favorable, sustainable or even a survivable ratio for the adult male population of the ukraine. Nevermind how the actual casualty ratio is considerably higher than 5:1.
Too much effort for a very weak bait.
I think anon meant a 1 to 5 k/d for Russia, 5 to 1 for Ukraine
shut the fuck up pidor
i made dis
the drone level in the next CoD is gonna be lit
Putin will fight till the last russian, simple as.
This. Imagine WW2 if nobody ever went into Germany.
Good. Maybe then we can advance humanity finally.
Why is the over all sentiment anti Russia? I don’t get this. What is Russia doing that is hurting you greater than the Globalists who have taken over and systematically gutted the West and are the ones pushing for this war? Makes no sense. I don’t love or hate Putin. I honestly don’t know much about him or Russia. I do know about the elites in my own country, the US, who hate me and want to liquidate everything and everyone.
Get a new script retard.
God I hope so
This one is too short. Did they order glovo and then just conscripted the courier when he arrived lol
Communists tried to take my father to Afghanistan even though he had never shoot a rifle had no military experience and they still wanted to throw him to shithole, my grandfather sold a cow and gave money to officers and saved my dad’s life
Based grandfather you have there. Hope you bought him a new cow.
You are not able to see how fake this hanging is retard ?
>Steps off a brick and immediately dies. No thrashing, no fighting, nothing.
Lol, lmao even. Come on Russkie at least try to make it look a little more realistic next time.
>Hohols chose extermination like the lemmings they are.
Weak b8. Even a Russian would know Russia has lost the war by now.
A vatnik and a Russian are enemies. Vatniks are lucky there's so very few actual Russians left.
>How many conscription waves have we been through?
Calling up reservists doesn't count, so it's just 1.
Also, technicallt mobilization is started and ended by decree, so we're still in the midst of the same single wave.
Also, in addition to manpower mobilization, there is also economic mobilization. E.g. forcing people to pay for AA coverage over their city, distributing forms about how much of your wage you're willing to redirect to the SMO among teachers and government workers, asking for "one time" contributions from businesses.
>Also, in addition to manpower mobilization, there is also economic mobilization. E.g. forcing people to pay for AA coverage over their city, distributing forms about how much of your wage you're willing to redirect to the SMO among teachers and government workers, asking for "one time" contributions from businesses.
O my sides. So some teachers wages are being garnished in roubles b y the people who print the roubles even though the teacher does no work with any foreign exchange value and the rouble is effectively worthless outside Russia? Yeah.
>there is also economic mobilization. E.g. forcing people to pay for AA coverage over their city
Russia has the most corrupt mafia state its just comedy tier. What happens if a city does not pay Moscow? Do they mysteriously get hit by 'Ukrainian' drones? Fat Tony approves. Pay your air defense tax or you know...you might have an accident and trip head first into a block of cement at the bottom of the nearest dock.
Kremlin cancelled mayor elections in cities and governor elections in regions, every person on top is from their circle. First few appointed "governors" were putins bodyguards from FSO.
There is no what if city wont pay, they will always pay, its just education, medicine, infrastructure and other budgets shrink even more.
First of all,
is mostly correct.
Second, the "pay for PVO" scheme was introduced at the local level, just like most other "embezzle in the name of the SMO" scams.
You fags don't even try anymore. Literally toddlers going
>no it's u who is doing dis!! not me!!
Kek at least you stopped spamming the obviously fake looking ones
Dude - I think Russia is winning.
I dunno like 1 or 2? There was the inital use which was the professinal soldiers and the normal military service people, then the Partial mobilisation which was a single conscription wave. The only mobilisation called was partial, and most of them haven't been used yet as they were still being trained. That is why everyone has been just focusing on the whole Bakmut thing which has been predominantly led by Wagner while the rest of the line hasn't really moved at all.
Everything you've been told is a lie, Kiev was captured on day one. Zelensky is a prisoner on house arrest, he's wearing an ankle bracelet to monitor his movements (pic related, taken back in March 2022) and is kept around to funnel western economic aid to the motherland. Bakhmut doesn't exist, it's a made up city from Marvel Comics. The "real" Bakhmut is some abandoned town in rural California where they shoot those scenes.
Best news Ive heard all week. When does the kraken get released?
Kraken? We made it up.
Russia literally has had 1 mobilization
Zero of the 7 Russian dudes I play Steam games with have been sent to Ukraine, so I think you guys may be exaggerating the number of dead Russians
an amazing sample size you have there
And that mobilization never stopped. Anyone in Russia playing steam is most likely privileged as fuck and in no real danger. Back when World of Warcraft came out I chatted with rich kids from best Korea playing all the time while peasants starved, two very different standards for important serfs and unimportant serfs.
And where do these 7 Russian pals reside?
>And where do these 7 Russian pals reside?
They're probably from the blue part
Shoigu is Tuvan, how can he allow this genocide of his own people?!
Putin still holds the key to Shoigu's prized burl reserves
Somehow I noticed the optics before I noticed how badly the airsofters were photoshopped in in the first place.
its just like with ukraine, rich kids get to leave country, partying in west, while the poor are sent to Bakhmut
Does the big guy really fit in there?
It will probably go on until Putin dies of his cancer.
He bet the farm on this. He cannot win, bot anything else is a defeat now that he declared the annexations.
Typical Russian garbage. These are collaborators caught in their treachery, not "draftees"
I sincerely hope every single last russian motherfucker dies. All of them. Every single goddamn one
12000 men a week indefinitely
Russians wake up
Ukraine and Putinbots are playing meat grinder game seeing how more meat you have to throw at each other. disgusting.
does anyone know the fate of Roma?
Chained and blindfolded to battalion latrine
RIP to a real one
fat guy looks like my dad
Ukraine is on, what? 5th or 6th conscript wave? Is it just a continual wave at this point?
Russia is still on the 1st wave. They tried to sell it as a limited drive but all the "mistakes" honestly made it sound like a much larger wave they tried to BS in order to calm down the public.
Interesting to see how different and counter-intuitive the differences are in the two countries. You’d think Russia would have the stronger control over the population, but in fact Ukraine is much stronger here able to mobilize the population while keeping a tight lid on dissent.
Wagner is a different type of mobilization which should be factored in. And the separatists emptied out their territories of men for war and did it quickly.
Ukraine will run out of soldiers before Russia does.
Russian lives have no value to Russian leaders so it will be down to material.
Unironically how does it benefit China to engage in military exercises and provide aid to an international pariah right now?
If China wants that sweet sweet Russian clay they'd be better off waiting for Russia to collapse and then setting up high interest loans and flying in plane after plane of chinks to "rebuild the country" after every last vatnik has died in a ditch
what is west going to do, embargo them? xi is just making putin his bitch and testing what is west going to do about it (nothing)
For the foreseeable future Russia is an important overland energy exporter to China. A naval blockade of China chokes off the majority of their energy imports so they are keen on keeping a Russian supply available.
Here's the thing: you don't need to occupy clay to extract its resources.
Either putin will be toppled by the elite or the conflict will slow down and consequently russia will retreat to the annexed regions.
Ukraine will push them out further so either way putin has lost.
>How many conscription waves have we been through?