What happens if Ukraine gains air superiority?

What happens if Ukraine gains air superiority?

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  1. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    you are probably in a dream

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous
  2. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Navy seals unleashed

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Is this real??

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        yeah, unfortunately for HATO marines it is

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Navy seal commander reporting in

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      russian navy seals

  3. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    What kind of weapons stocks (new or old) can NATO give that would be most game-changing?

    • 10 months ago
      afatoldman

      AMRAAMs, HARMs and JDAMs.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >AMRAAMs, HARMs and JDAMs.
        they are literally already using all of those

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          No apparently when theyre fired from an f16 they become hyper powered god weapons that will destroy the entire russian AD network and shoot down their entire airforce. How do you not know that?

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Black person sensor integration is a thing on non Black person weapons.
            >Verification not required.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Vatnig doesn't understand how weapons and avionics interact
            It's almost poetic

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          They're only launching AMRAAM from the ground via NASAMs - you get much better range on them launching them from altitude with momentum behind them. AMRAAM or any other Western Fox-3 would be especially significant because they're fire-and-forget, each missile has its own radar so it can guide itself onto the target post launch - right now Ukraine only has Fox-1s, ie. the missile can only use the radar of the plane that launched it to track, meaning that the launching aircraft has to keep its nose pointed in the direction of the target right up until impact. This has been the biggest qualitive advantage Russia has had over Ukraine in air combat so far so this will be the biggest way in which the F-16 can level the playing field.

          The HARM, while it's been pretty useful so far, can't communicate with its host aircraft in the ghetto-rigged configuration by which it's installed to Ukraine's Migs and Flankers. On F16 that would be different potentially leading to the weapon being more deadly and flexible to use.

          JDAMs probably wouldn't be too different, but still probably easier and more convenient to use with an aircraft it's natively compatible with instead of ghetto-rigging it.

          Plus there's other stuff besides that the F-16 can use, like JSOW glide bombs, Harpoon anti-ship missiles, Maverick air-to-ground missiles and the JASSM cruise missile if the US really want to get serious. It's an extremely versatile aircraft in terms of ordnance, which is probably the main reason that it's become the workhorse aircraft for the USAF and like half of the rest of NATO. If they really want to make my PP hard, then perhaps the UK and/or France could step in and make modifications for the Viper to be compatible with Meteor missiles - that would go beyond levelling the playing field in air-to-air and turn it into an overmatch in favour of Ukraine.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >. On F16 that would be different potentially leading to the weapon being more deadly and flexible to use.

            how? all the HARMs ukraine uses have to be lobbed in seeker mode, because the s300 and s400 completely outranges them

            how are these magical avionics going to overcome basic reality?

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Well, that may be true right now, but with longer-range missiles being given to Ukraine I think it's pretty much inevitable that Russia's going to be forced to spread their AD assets thinner than they've done so far. I think having the option to use the HARM in self-protect or target-of-opportunity mode might be useful to have. Probably a fringe benefit in the grand scheme of things compared to being compatible with AMRAAM but a benefit all the same.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >AMRAAMs, HARMs and JDAMs.
        Don't forget JASSM, JSOW, Maverick and Harpoon.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >AMRAAMs, HARMs and JDAMs.
        Don't forget JASSM, JSOW, Maverick and Harpoon.

        >AMRAAM
        >HARM
        >JDAM
        >JASSM
        >JSOW
        >Maverick
        >Harpoon
        wtf how many wunderwaffe do NATO have ?

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          The next one will surely turn the conflict.

          NATO should have learned in Afghanistan that equipment doesn't win wars. Men do.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >NATO should have learned in Afghanistan that equipment doesn't win wars. Men do.
            I mean Afghanistan fell when all the NATO men left so that checks I guess. Until then the Taliban couldn't really do much of anything to threaten them.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Get in the T-34, pidor
            >you are needed at the front

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Pidors aren't men and have nothing to fight for unlike the Ukrainians they wish to enslave yet again.

            Constabulary operations are vastly more difficult than nation-state war which is why they should not be fought. Nation-state war is what the US and NATO are good at. Ask Saddam whose Russian gear got blasted to junk.

            You are brown.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >equipment doesn't win wars. Men do
            I will think about that while watching another video of severally intoxicated mobniks

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >wtf how many wunderwaffe do NATO have ?
          Umm... all of them.

  4. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    They get to drop bombs on Russians instead of missiles which probably saves the West a lot of money as bombs are a lot cheaper.

  5. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >What happens if Ukraine gains air superiority?
    You wake up

  6. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I just can't see that happening. I mean how many fricking F-16s would they have to send and train for that to even be remotely possible? In that leak they said that Russia still had like 90% of it's Air Defenses operational

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      SEAD that shit and it won't be.

  7. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    It would mean you need to put down crack pipe hohol

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      SOON

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        PLANE IS PLANE!

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          SEND ANOTHER WAVE

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Russians don't have a shortage of planes, they have a shortage of pilots.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          A lot of the planes they "have" are in dogshit shape, too. And ground crews are overworked, low-skill, and not numerous enough.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            One birds worth of maintainers can keep several flying, but not without spare parts....

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        jesus christ just picture the cope when t-32 obr. 2023 and IL-2 obr. 2023 has to fight nato anno 1991

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      THE crack pipe, gaygostani pidor.

  8. 10 months ago
    Captain Stubing

    thats a warcrime

  9. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Total zigger death, I guess.

  10. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    When the Russians are forced to fly An-2s chucking grenades out the window as air support, they'll call it a marked improvement over the Frogfoot because it can fly slowly over a target.

  11. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Depends on what you mean by superiority. Ukraine already can already deny Russian access to the Ukrainian controlled airspace so they have some level of superiority over territory they control. They also are targeting Russian planes in Russian air space. What they want is to supress Russian air defenses over occupied territory so they can conduct air to ground missions. I assume that is what you meant by "air superiority".

    The long range strikes into Russia (making them redeploy units), loss of planes, use of stockpiled missiles, the large size of Russia to cover, and the attrition of missile systems has inevitably stretched/degraded the Russian air defense network. That said, the ground based air defense robust and multilayered and it will probably never be completely taken out no matter what Ukraine does. It would take hundreds of fighters and tens of thousands of sorties to operate with a high degree of freedom.

    That said, even if it is never fully supressed, every time it gets a bit worse Ukraine gets a bit more freedom. If Ukraine gets enough F-16s/trained pilots and they come up with the right combo of mission, weapon, and tactics, it is likely they will be able to start doing more air missions over certain areas of the front line to use precision munitions to target things like bases, command centers, logistics hubs, and so forth with air to ground bombs. It would also allow them to gain valuable intelligence about Russian ground troops by using the planes/drones to provide a bird's eye view of the battlefield and identify targets for ground forces.

  12. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Could they retake Bakhmut now that Russia controls it?

  13. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Donetsk children become endangered specie.

  14. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    One thing
    TZD

  15. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Calling all SMEs and DCS "Generals." How long does it take a trainee to learn to fight in F16? How long does it take a trained pilot to transition to F16. Give you low and high estimates.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      DCS doesn't accurately replicate the true fighting environment a pilot would face. If you only need to take off, drop a bomb in a field and land again that can be taught in an afternoon. Real life is flying "blind" into an incredibly complex threat environment where you need to avoid killing friends and civilians while the enemy can be anything from far away su-27s to a manpad right under you. Even the most complex DCS mission is aggressor wargame level at best

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Go ask on f16.net if you care.

  16. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Obviously they can then strike targets with impunity

  17. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    *when

  18. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    79th was based. Might even still be. I worked on all birds in picrel.

  19. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >a full year of ukie shilling on how russia is losing >thousands of threads saying russia will never take bakhmut.
    >russia finally takes bakhmut
    Complete dead silence, all ukraine threads magically vanish into the void.
    God i hate glowies so much.
    If you are going to shill this hard you have to stick around and take the beating too.

  20. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    noone here aware that missile kinematics means ukrotards will get CAP-clapped in everything unless its f-22/35 lmao

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      So now the f-35 is good? Vatniks really can't stay on script.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      So now the f-35 is good? Vatniks really can't stay on script.

      It's more a matter of simple physics. The Russians have been for months just slinging R-37M from long range and avoiding even medium range. It's not very high Pk but having to go defensive over and over means you can't do your job either. Nothing that an F-16 can mount except a rushed Meteor integration can come close to the range of an R-37M, especially since the US isn't exporting 120-D to other NATO countries.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Rushed
        >Meteor integration.

        You are a moron.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          There's not a single meteor user that has integrated the weapon into an F-16. The Computer architecture of the F-16 is old and adding a new weapon that also relies on datalinking to be effective is no simple matter.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            They might get grippen

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Not likely due to the roach in Constantinople..

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        by your account, Ukraine should have lost its air force long ago...

  21. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    They won’t

  22. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    a good movie.

  23. 10 months ago
    Anonymous
  24. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is it even possible in today's warfare for anyone but the US to get air superiority? Reliable AA is so prevalent.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      it is possible. Russia had air superiority against georgia

  25. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    They have been shooting all the Russian jets out of the sky, what makes you think a handful of vipers will magically gain air dominance. They are going to get shot down as well. And definitely if they try to bomb Moscow or some shit.

  26. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Monkey will threaten nooks and send another 20,000 Russians to die at a 1:5 k/d ratio.

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