What happened to the Russian artillery advantage?

What happened to the Russian artillery advantage? Didn't they have like 10,000+ artillery pieces compared to Ukraine's 1,000? They were making decent progress in Donbas by just shelling Ukrainian positions.

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Western artillery has superior accuracy.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, but it's not like the 10,000 artillery pieces just evaporate into thin air. They only lost like 1,000 tanks and that's with every Ukrainian soldier packing a ATGM

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Actually it's more like well over 2000 tanks, and artillery requires maintenance and logistics to be effective. Those guns and ammunition stockpiles were wasted on pointless shit in Summer, and now that they're really needed Russians can't bring them to bear anymore.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yup, Russia has suffered something like 1500 visually verified tank losses alone. The actual number is almost assuredly much higher.

          Russia is buying shells from north Korea though.

          Russia may have enough shells in Russia, bringing them to Ukraine is another matter. Their logistical framework is terrible.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        ukraine has been devastating their ammo depos for months. one contributor to them leaving kherson is cause their ammo caches are depleted o destroyed

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The guns didn't evaporate. Well, most of them. It was the ammo.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        HIMARS have been hitting them for months.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        'member ~5 months ago we wouldn't go a day without some warehouse detonating and sending a column of smoke 100,000ft up into the sky? Yea that was the ammo, it's all been cooked off, it took Russia a laughably long time to stop stockpiling inside HIMARS range, RIP

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Those were some wild times. I think every major Russian artillery dump was blown up in a span of 2 weeks of HIMARS arriving to Ukraine. It's rare for a single weapon is able to make such a difference.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >They only lost
        >only
        >1000
        >only
        my dude, take a look at how many tank losses the USA has lost since the end of the Korean War.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Reminds me of when people were coom/doom posting about 20k Russians being trapped in Kherson and when most got away, vatniks were gloating that they only caught 2800 mobiks. Like in "haha we only lost 2800 man overnight".

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Oh *that's* where that number came from. Fuck I was looking at the Uke tally being like "What the fuck have I missed", and it was their Kherson captures.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The latest estimate is almost 9000 AFV's lost, bro.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          90.000 brudda

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Artillery barrels don't last forever. Ammo doesn't last forever. Russia has shit capacity to restock both.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Their artillery ammo evaporated into several ammo dump explosions and Russian artillery was so innaccurate their weight of numbers was necessary to be at all effective, this they'd usually just expend several times the ammo for similar effect as Ukie artillery.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think it's mostly the ammo which is slowing them down. Idk how compatible NK shells are to what they use? Might also be a factor.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >They only lost like 1,000 tanks
        > "only"
        (You) fucking retard.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don't like Russia anymore than the next guy but
          >taking either Ukraine or Russia's numbers at face value
          I only trust Oryx and maybe some news reports

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Oryx is not accurate. It is turkish propaganda! You can not trust fake numbers.
            Do not believe everything you read on the internet.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You need to understand that Oryx's numbers represent the floor for any estimates. The actual number is almost certainly a lot higher than that.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              This, Oryx is only visual confirmation. The real numbers are probably somewhere between Oryx and Ukraine's official, although which one is closer is anyone's guess.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If you hit logistics hard and control the hubs then 10,000 pieces can functionally become many, many less

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They did, but now Ukraine has most of them.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why you think Ukrainians spent most of the summer by blowing up ammo depos? Having quadrillion tubes from cold war days doesn't matter if you have nothing for them to shoot.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Russia is buying shells from north Korea though.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Can still be countered by striking the supply points.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Thats cool now get them all the way over to Ukraine

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this. people somehow forgot how it was himars o'clock all night every night for like a month. you bounce come back from this.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you can't bounce back from this* fuck i'm drunk

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's a lie right Z friends? It's all propaganda. We still have all our artillery. Ukraine still fears the rain of steel, right?

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Attrition of ammo stocks and likely barrels as well. Ukies also have better counter battery options than the Russians as well meaning they can't just mass a bunch of stationary pieces and shell a place to ruins. That being said there are certain areas of the front where Russia still has a lot of materiel.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    West brought the human-tier stuff so in an artillery duel, the Russians get clapped, for literally no return damage (HIMARS) or once in a blue moon (155mm SPA)

    Russians lost tons of shit in their routs and tons of shit in the depot strikes.

    And Russia's supply is shit by destroyed rails and roads, including Kerch bridge.

    So anytime the artillery tries something funny the Ukies just smack it and relocate before the counter battery comes.repeat for 5 months. The artillery corps is down like the tank or Mobik corps.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Some real nightmarish terrain out here

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Seems ideal for special forces raids if you have artillery support since it'd be painful to get backup there.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      totally unrelated to thread topic but looking at satellite mapping of places in the far north kinda always gives me the spooks. looks like the earth itself was abrased

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It was abraded, a few thousand years ago it was scraped clean by glaciers. They did such a through job that they killed all the earth worms halfway down to the equator, by tracking natural non invasive worm propagation northwards (10 feet a year) you can chart the furthest south edge of the ice sheet.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          based geoscience enjoyer

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            When i moved inna woods in Maine 5 years ago first thing i did was walk around the property with a bucket of worms, some straw and a shovel. Dumped them every 20 feet. Now each year i can go out and there is literally a line in the woods that moves out 10 feet a year where you can see the underbrush changing character and where the evergreen sapling are all dead.

            Indretasing. What about floods? For the big flood events, underwater to the horizon, I wonder how fauna like worms can repopulate the affeced zones.

            They usually survive that.

            10,000 artillery pieces eventually wear out and run out of ammo. Especially when HIMARs keep blowing up the ammunition dumps.

            That's why Russia's having to rely on North Korea for more artillery shells they've burned through their cold war era stock.

            Don't forget that T-62s can't fight other tanks without NK AP rounds.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Maine anon hello I’m going to hijack this thread briefly
              I’m in york
              Where’s a goood spot to shoot
              Where’s a good

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No clue, i'm off grid inna woods near Jackman down a 16 mile dirt road so i just shoot where ever.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >When i moved inna woods in Maine 5 years ago first thing i did was walk around the property with a bucket of worms, some straw and a shovel. Dumped them every 20 feet. Now each year i can go out and there is literally a line in the woods that moves out 10 feet a year where you can see the underbrush changing character and where the evergreen sapling are all dead.
              why?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It used to be mixed forest but was clearcut by logging companies for decades who used cropdusters with roundup to kill everything but the evergreens so they could quickly recut. The soil is really rocky and the leaf litter from evergreens does nothing to prevent erosion. The worms help restore it to being a hardwood forest with decent soil that retains water.

                I murder every evergreen i can get my hands on, it's a goat ranch so i need lots of coppiced broadleafs to feed them. The worms help alot with that.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Thank you.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I admire the cut of your worm husbandry jib. The ten feet a year thing for some reason I find pleasing - that a seemingly insignificant thing (to a human) can be so significant. Blessed be the soilworkers.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Indretasing. What about floods? For the big flood events, underwater to the horizon, I wonder how fauna like worms can repopulate the affeced zones.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I know this is the case with Finland, but the glaciers of the last ice age didn't reach nearly as far down as that

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Happened in Maine, all our worms are introduced. Everytime i go to town i drive by the halfway point to the equator, the town of Bingham has a sign announcing the fact.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          When i moved inna woods in Maine 5 years ago first thing i did was walk around the property with a bucket of worms, some straw and a shovel. Dumped them every 20 feet. Now each year i can go out and there is literally a line in the woods that moves out 10 feet a year where you can see the underbrush changing character and where the evergreen sapling are all dead.

          [...]
          They usually survive that.

          [...]
          Don't forget that T-62s can't fight other tanks without NK AP rounds.

          It used to be mixed forest but was clearcut by logging companies for decades who used cropdusters with roundup to kill everything but the evergreens so they could quickly recut. The soil is really rocky and the leaf litter from evergreens does nothing to prevent erosion. The worms help restore it to being a hardwood forest with decent soil that retains water.

          I murder every evergreen i can get my hands on, it's a goat ranch so i need lots of coppiced broadleafs to feed them. The worms help alot with that.

          PrepHole is a high IQ board

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            A few months ago when Armenia vs Azerbaijan kicked off again and some guy asked what was up and why nobody gave a fuck about Armenia despite being Christian, multiple PrepHoleommandos seemed to just casually explain two thousand years of Christian deeplore, schisms and sectarianism.

            PrepHole is unironically one of the most powerful boards.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >PrepHole is unironically one of the most powerful boards.
              This board has a blend of history and engineering autism that you can't really find anywhere else. Throw in a handful of anons that are knowledgeable in other sciences and it becomes one of the better places to discuss most things, as long as you can filter out the screeching 4chancels.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            One of the few left.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            We take ourselves VERY SERIOUSLY around here.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's really interesting.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          IIRC that's how the Norwegian coast line was shaped too, dragging huge amounts of soil into the ocean and creating Denmark and Doggerland. Part of why the North Sea is so shallow and why Denmark can just spam windmill parks in it.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It was pretty much, the lines show glacial movements. The pools come through isostasy

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I love looking at this part of earth on google maps. Shame there aren't more high res pics of it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Benis

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Suomi

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A big issue that is not often talked about it barrel life. All artillery barrels are only rated to handle a certain number of shells before they start wearing out. In the best case scenario, the rifling just starts wearing out and gun accuracy drops. The worst case scenario, the barrel becomes structurally unstable and catastrophically fails during firing.

    And replacing barrels is not a quick or easy process. That's typically depot level maintenance so that gun will be out of action for for weeks if not months.

    We know that Ukraine has had to constantly send M777s back west to get their barrels swapped due to them practically firing them nonstop.

    Even assuming the Russians are following proper maintenance schedules, the vast majority of their artillery fleet is Soviet surplus that has been out of production for years or even decades. It's very likely they didn't manufacture many spare barrels, or if they did, they've all been used up or misappropriated already.

    So what you get is thousands of guns either being forced to scale back their use or being taken out of action altogether because they physically cannot keep firing reliably.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I saw a new clip a few days ago about a UA artillery unit firing 3,500 rounds. The gun they were using is only rated for 1,500 rounds.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >used or misappropriated already
      Fuckin tankie larpers buying up all the artillery barrels.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Slavshit enthusiasts already defeated Russia over a decade ago.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        actually it's india, china, middle east and of course africa

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >replacing barrels is not a quick or easy process
      >Unscrew old cylinder, screw in new cylinder
      >"Months"

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        We're talking about specially made barrels that weigh over 10,000 pounds, not a freaking MG42.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        We're talking about specially made barrels that weigh over 10,000 pounds, not a freaking MG42.

        >Demetri you on other side of barrel da? Okay when I am saying go you are of lifting new barrel and holding in place while I screw in.
        What do you mean is heavy? Lift with legs cyka!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      In several interviews Ukrainians talk how less accurated the Russian Artillery got over the months. Even Russian sources stated several times that their artillery units hits nothing. Barrel life fucked the entire Russian Artillery Corp

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        A lot of frontline soldiers and conscripts keep complaining that they either get hit by their own artillery or it lands behind their positions. That's a pretty big indicator of worn barrels since with less spin, the rounds start losing range.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >they either get hit by their own artillery or it lands behind their positions
          Also a major complaint by the Germans from 1916 onward. Verdun wore out a lot of German guns.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Didn't they have like 10,000+ artillery pieces compared to Ukraine's 1,000?
    Lot of stuff gets sold to other countries, a lot of it gets scrapped to sell off the metal, both officially and unofficially and a lot of it just doesn't get maintained for 40 year... even if it was supposed to and funds were provided.
    At the start of the war everyone talked about the 20,000 tanks of Russia in reserve, but someone went through satellite pics and only found about 6,000, maybe 3,000 that were salvageable.
    Fact of the matter is actions speak louder than boasts, Russia would not be putting unmodified T-62's and WW2 era artillery pieces into battle if they had more modern stuff in ready condition.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What proportion were functional/nonfunctional at the outset of the war? How many trained crews have been killed? To what degree has logistical degradation (loss of towing trucks, fuel for SPGs) affected artillery employment? How many tubes can Russia afford to mass in-country at the expense of other regions?

    Many factors have emerged in the last 9 months that raise questions about Russia's actual superiority in long-range fires. And that's not even getting to how many pieces they've lost.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    they ran out of shells because they forgot that war requires industry to sustain it

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What is it like to cuddle with the woman you love?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty nice if you don't mind the smell of other men's cum

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This might be the reason.

    https://defenceforumindia.com/threads/russia-naval-capabilities-to-deal-with-future-threats-part-1.83614/

    https://defenceforumindia.com/threads/russia-naval-capabilities-to-deal-with-future-threats-part-2.83615/

    https://defenceforumindia.com/threads/russia-future-air-space-capabilities-part-1.83620/

    https://defenceforumindia.com/threads/russia-future-land-force-future-capabilities.83625/

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    10,000 artillery pieces eventually wear out and run out of ammo. Especially when HIMARs keep blowing up the ammunition dumps.

    That's why Russia's having to rely on North Korea for more artillery shells they've burned through their cold war era stock.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Summary:

    > Russia had a ton of artillery, but we have no idea how much they had that was functional. Might have been like the rest of the army and half was bullshit operationally due to corruption.
    >To keep a lot of artillery shooting you need a ton of shells and Russia has laughable logistics. Even having 1 Billion shells does nothing if they are in Siberia and not Ukraine
    > HIMARs turned Russian shell depots in Ukraine into a pretty deadly game of "Where's Waldo"
    > Russian shell reserves might have been bullshit due to foreign sales, old stock from commie days being unreliable, corruption, poor storage practices, and a bunch of other stuff.
    >Artillery barrels can only shoot so many rounds off. Russia fired a ton of it earlier in the war. Lots of pics of Russian tubes exploding from a few months ago. Doubtful Russia can keep up with replacing them given their struggles elsewhere.
    >Russia has a lot of SPGs, Tanks, and other shit with a relatively small army, that incurs a cost in maintenance which they cannot possibly ever keep up with in a high intensity conflict. Ukraine has the advantage of western support and repair crews.
    >Ukraine likely has better range (and spotting) at this point so Russia probably wants to focus artillery on areas where they can hit Ukrainians rather than areas where Ukraine can hit them from beyond their effective range
    >They lost a lot due to retreats, captures and destruction. Ukraine is fighting back, they now have a lot of good artillery to go along with their own stuff and what they've captured. They also have counter battery RADARs and much more accurate guns, so Russia probably can't 1V1 Ukrainian positions easily with their shit-tier accuracy.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    nato out spends russia 100 to 1. it's that easy.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    russians are actual subhuman cockroaches they fuck every single thing up every single time

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Counter battery fire , barrel wear and getting their ammo stockpiles blown up.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Himars in the hands of a people with the Soviet Union's artillery academy, and generations or rocket artillery experience, with extremely good artillery software.

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Following Russian reports of gear isn't reliable. Here's a more truthful way of finding how much gear they have remaining: https://randomnumbergenerator.org/. It has the possibility to land on the true number, so it's infinitely more accurate than the Russian report.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      We've been over this
      >good number: divide by 2
      >bad number: multiply by 2

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >so it's infinitely more accurate than the Russian report.
      MEIN SEIDS!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >more accurate than the Russian report.
      Saying the report isn't accurate is 10yr in gulag for discrediting the Russian military
      Therefore, report is not my problem

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Didn't they have

    They have poor butt discipline in ammo dumps

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Having more guns doesn't help if you have no ammo

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >They were making decent progress in Donbas by just shelling Ukrainian positions.
    They haven't taken shit in 6 fucking months, you stupid bitch. They haven't stop shelling at random for a single day.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's what "were" means anon

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        But they weren't, is the point.

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    they've gone on record saying that they're wearing out their guns' bores and not given replacements, so they just fire away with zero accuracy nowadays.

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Eventually Covert Cabal or someone else will make a real tally of Russian artillery, as he did for tanks, and we'll find out there's like 3000 of actually usable guns. And I'm certain the US military has known for decades, likely even father than early nineties. But those budgets don't write themselves. This whole thing with Russian army being memed as peer is just the Bomber/Missile Gap all over again.

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >be russia
    >spend decades bragging about your amazing artillery
    >raze entire cities in Chechnya
    >go to war against Ukraine
    >ship some oldish US artillery to ukraine
    >even in small numbers, it obliterates russian artillery and fucked their supply lines/ability to store ammo
    russia is a meme country

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What happened to the Russian artillery advantage?
    They spent their artillery barrels using WWI tactics, then they spent their ammunition firing wildly inaccurate barrages from worn out barrels, then they got their ammo dumps blown up by Himars and had to reestablish them further back. While all of this was happening, they kept losing artillery pieces to drones, counter-battery fire and general wear and lack of maintenance.

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Turns out the counter battery equipment know as HIMARS is very good at counter battery operations. Crazy, I know

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just adding my 2 cents because I didn't see anyone mention it yet: the combination of crappy Russian logistics and HIMARS forcing their ammo dumps to be much further behind their lines than normal is also causing them trouble.

    Even if, by some miracle, all their guns were properly maintained and had fresh barrels they still wouldn't be able to keep up the massive rates of fire like they did earlier in the war. They simply cannot get the ammo to the guns fast enough or in high enough quantities as they lack the trucks or the brains to figure out logistics. From what I've been reading their current artillery resupply efforts are at times very piecemeal and unstructured.

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I bet a lot of their barrels are still busted to hell after that '600000 shells a day' publicity stunt that accomplished absolutely nothing.

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    russian artillery uses a lot of artillery for a barrage because its inaccurate compared to western artillery.

  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Their ability to actually get shells to their guns is terrible, and they forgot that for artillery barrels are a consumable piece of equipment that needs fairly consistent replacement after periods of heavy fire.

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