what exactly is this?

It's apparently a Browning, but I'm not seeing a model name or anything like that.

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velo-dog

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    show us the markings

    https://www.lugerforums.com/threads/revolver-browning-7-65.51753/
    Anyway it's one of these. It wasn't made by Browning, that's probably a reference to the cartridge (7.65 browning).

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What markings are you looking for?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Proofmarks would be great if there are any, that would at least tell you the country. But anon is right, it's quite clearly one of these:
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velo-dog

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'll be honest, I have no idea idea what a proofmark is, but it has got these.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            pseudo-marks, pseudo-marks everywhere. The more you look the worse it gets. Someone took a pistol and put all sorts of after market fancy scrolling and fake punch marks that mean nothing.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I hear you anon. sounds like it's worthless, then? Any idea if it's safe to shoot?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's not necessarily worthless depending on provenance, but don't shoot the thing without significant caution

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's not worthless, it looks neat and I'd pay $50 bucks just to have one to play with. inb4 someone says I'm an idiot for saying it's worth that much while someone else accuses me of undervaluing it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I've never seen one that had such fancy engravings. It looks pretty cool, even though that type of gun in itself is shit.
                You'd have to find out the caliber (probably rimfire). Be aware that it was intended for black powder loads, and do pay attention to the cylinder timing.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, that's what we are looking for. Those are proofmarks but they look a bid strange. The Lion over the letters PV and the crown over the letter R are standard Belgian proofmarks, but the shape looks strange. The ones on the barrel look like they're stamped but the ones on the frame look like they're chiseled in or maybe acid etched. However, if this was really proofed in Belgium we'd expect to see two other marks, The "Perron", which looks a bit like a tower, and the letters E L G in a circle. Do you see those anywhere?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              There are a few different marks inside the cylinder, but this one is the clearest.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                that's the most legit looking mark on the whole gun.
                Do you see the "Perron" anywhere? It's the tower looking thing labeled number 4 on the page of various marks.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Now that is a genuine proof mark. See how sharp and detailed it is compared to the muddy marks on the barrel and frame?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There is one of the PVs with the lion on the cylinder as well.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That is a Belgian proof mark. Belgium around the turn of the century was cranking out a lot of unmarked or knockoff guns, kind of like the Spanish with Ruby pistols.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Considering it does look a little odd and the belgian proofmark...I'm going to say a possible Belgian knockoff of a Velodog style revolver with fake "BROWNING" mark to get it to sell. Belgian guns could be good brand name guns, knockoff junk, or cheap but good guns all depending on who made them; there were tons of gunsmiths in small shops all around for over 100 years. I was researching a vintage Ranger (?) revolver once and some of the guys in the forum posts said yeah the Ranger was (IIRC) a copy of a different revolver but what's funny is there were Belgian copies of the Ranger. Some were unmarked and obviously copies, others were marked Ranger just like the real Rangers. Meaning there were knockoffs of the Ranger despite the Ranger itself being a knockoff of a different gun lol. The engraving might be stamped on or it might be hand done; who knows. A lot of guns you wouldn't expect were hand checkered for years; the Auto 5 was hand checkered into the 60s/70s at the very least. I don't know about the engravings on said Auto 5s but I wouldn't be surprised.

                I wouldn't shoot it and dry firing it might damage it so I'd refrain from doing so. Very nice condition no matter if it's a quality revolver or not. Actually impressed. Keep it away from AC vents and humidity. Should be fine in a small display case as long as it doesn't sit against anything like fabric, stuffing, or felt. If it does, a little 3-in-1 or mineral oil wouldn't hurt to keep the rust off but keep it off the grip as it's likely very old rubber. Just don't put it in one of those batting/stuffing backed display cases; wood and felt is best.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's as drunk as you and it was made and designed by someone as drunk as you.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If it was made by browning it would have been marked as such. If it doesn't say Browning then it's a knockoff. That kind of thing was very common, pocket revolvers like Velo-Dogs and bulldogs were copied by zillions of small shops all over Europe.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        facepalm.jpg
        That's not what real Browning markings look like anon.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          To be honest, I'm a little drunk. I suppose if I read it carefully, it says "browillig"

          Does this mean it's a knock-off, or is this some other model name?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >BROWIJIIJG

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Looks like the ye olde equivalent of a Saturday night special gun

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Idk

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    that's a revlr

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