What don't people use kirov airships irl?

What don't people use kirov airships irl?

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because in real life they’d be fragile and weak.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >A huge slow baloon filled with highly explosive gas
    Hmmmm, beats me..

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Hydrogen isn't highly explosive.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        It is extraordinarily burny though.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous
      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's so flamable that it's often mistaken for explosive.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          On its own, no, it's perfectly safe. The issue comes when you introduce oxygen into it to turn it into oxyhydrogen, at which point it got the reputation.That's why incendiary rounds alone pretty much never did anything, because they needed to be mixed in with explosive rounds to rip large gashes into the gas bags, otherwise the hydrogen and air wouldn't mingle in sufficient amounts and you wouldn't be able to get a kill.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            > highly flammable gas is perfectly safe
            > just keep it away from oxygen, lol
            Based retard.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Except that keeping hydrogen from mixing with oxygen is a massive pain. Hydrogen ions tend to pass through most materials and zeppelins could never mount enough armor to prevent punctures.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Oxygen is everywhere. The problem isn't oxygen, its pure hydrogen trapped inside a tank. Hydrogen is the first element in the universe and thus the lightest and thus tends to leak all the time from every material. Leakage of enough hydrogen causes combustion when hydrogen interacts with oxygen in natural world.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Oh thank god, so these giant airships just need to stay away from the air then?

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              They need to surround the bags with energy shields that prevent gas leakage.
              Though I guess at that point you can just use antigravity and not bother with airships at all.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Y'know, if you have some sort of magical miracle material you could make an airship that floats on vacuum. Having nothing at all in the envelope would produce even more lift than hydrogen but the amount of structural steel needed to keep the envelope from collapsing would kill any gains in lift.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Hydrogen isn't highly explosive.
        while true in the absence of oxygen, guess what happens if you pierce the shell

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I dont get these types of threads , are they IQ testing? Are they doing it for the (you)s, or simply retarded?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      i'm going with the yooz

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      oooh was that your house??

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Some dumbass weeaboo/steampunk/Warhammer fag ODs on lore and wants to know how real their dorky obsession is. And sadly, PrepHoleommandos usually indulge them...

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I want to marry her. She's my one true love.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Just ESLs being ESLs

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        You fags keep saying that like it's meant to be an insult equal to retard. It's just foreign gays that can't talk good and is meant to point out that someone's a third worlder. Everything loses meaning fast as fuck here.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Time to answer with more sincerity than this OP deserves.The use of zeppelins as terror bombers was extremely wasteful, even in WWI. The RNAS, who started off the war with essentially none, rapidly surpassed the Germans doctrinally by using them exclusively in roles they could excel in,those being anti-submarine and naval patrol/scouting work. And they did pretty fantastic at that. Meanwhile the Germans lost ship after ship, and in exchange did manage to tie down like a dozen or more fighter squadrons and God knows how many AAA and spotlight crews that'd otherwise be at the front, which... I dunno, personally I don't think that was the greatest trade.

    tl;dr: Keep zeppelins out over water and looking for boats, they like it that way.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      how do they perform anti-sub? they can catch up to subs?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        The most common zeppelin class of the war, the P class, made about 50 knots at max speed, the average for subs at the time was usually somewhere in the realm of 8 to 12 knots. Both the German and Royal Navy's zeppelins did attack surface ships and submarines on occasion, though the only successful pair of sub kills was managed by the British. The real issue with attacking surface targets at the time was that the bomb sights onboard the ships were *incredibly* primitive first generation stuff which made drops more of a guess than anything else.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Disrupting the subs patrol and providing warnings to allied ships was probably its biggest use

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            In WWII most certainly, in WWI they tended to be incredibly aggressive due to questionable means of communication.

            https://i.imgur.com/tHpPLiU.jpg

            There were much better, cheaper and durable machines during that period which did reconnaissance.

            Blimps were pure psyops.

            There was not a single solitary long-endurance aircraft cheaper to operate in US inventory at the time. An airship is buoyant, and thus puts essentially no strain on its engines or other mechanical parts in comparison to a plane that needs to be constantly pushing itself forward at a sustainable pace and built to withstand that strain. And if you're talking about WWI, there was no other type of aircraft at the time that could do their job period.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              They're still balloons though, and weight a lot, especially when packed with heavy equipment, that required just as much hydrogen to get them off the ground and climb or at least negate the weight enough for the propellers to do their thing.

              Put enough holes in them and they were kaput. Such massive targets were not hard to miss.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                One, all US ships were helium-filled since the '30s, two at the scale we were producing the stuff that was extremely cheap by the time the forties rolled around, and three the secret was not engaging the enemy themselves to begin with, which was US doctrine for them. The role of American blimps in WWII was to stalk them from a safe distance while constantly calling in their buddies to harass the shit out of them. The singular American blimp lost to enemy fire in WWII was due to them making a suicide run to delay a sub that was making a beeline to try and intercept a ship instead of following SOP.

                Also, we use them like helicopters in regards to carrying people and random shit from ship-to-ship.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >The singular American blimp lost to enemy fire in WWII was due to them making a suicide run to delay a sub that was making a beeline to try and intercept a ship instead of following SOP.

                That was faked history and never happened.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Detection/ spotting mostly.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-class_blimp

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      These things served more as psychological demoralizing instrument rather than for tactical/strategic purposes.

      Many yokels who have never seen a huge blimp would drop their guns and leave posts thinking it's a huge bomb.

      Very effective psychological warfare germs tried and it worked nicely for them for a while.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      So lets talk about WW2.

      I know they were used as part of anti-submarine operations to good effect, but was there any efforts to put radar on blimps/ zeppelins to give primitive AWACS. I don't know of any, but I'm not sure if it was just the equipment weight/ size or a lack of tactical utility at the time.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >but was there any efforts to put radar on blimps/ zeppelins to give primitive AWACS
        Absolutely.There were attempts to get them on during WWII, but they were constantly put on hold by other forces needing them first, but almost immediately after the close of the war there were some blimp picket ships made with incredibly massive RADAR sets on them. You can tell them apart by the kind of hump on top of the envelope. Airships actually make great RADAR barges due to how gentle they tend to be in flight, which makes it real easy on the equipment.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I should also mention these things were pretty massive as far as blimps were concerned, could refuel mid-air, and weeks worth of endurance.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous
        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          There were much better, cheaper and durable machines during that period which did reconnaissance.

          Blimps were pure psyops.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >r34
      I demand airship porn

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous
  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Blimps were to WW1 and WW2 as what "nooks" are in todays age, a psyop "WMD" boogeyman meant to demoralize and strike fear into their enemies.

    That was their main objective at that timeline, just as much as the "nook WMD" backed with mountains of propaganda psyop is today.

    It's all about keeping the goyim in perpetual state of psychological terror.

    t kabalist 101 :^)

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous
  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    airships are fucking cool. there is something super menacing about them.
    also
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_airships_in_the_United_States
    >In 2021, Reader's Digest said that "consensus is that there are about 25 blimps still in existence and only about half of them are still in use for advertising purposes".
    I never really see hot air balloons anymore either

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I have mixed feelings about the new Goodyear blimps being zeppelins. On one hand, they're very obviously the wrong shape and it feels a bit dishonest to buy someone else's airships and call them Goodyear blimps.
      On the other hand, Goodyear zeppelin sounds cool and the story behind the revived zeppelin company is pretty neat with the endowment made up of the original zepplin companies remaining assets kept for decades until the time was right for the rigid airship to fly again thing. It's a romantic story really and very german

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I never really see hot air balloons anymore either
      I wanted to propose to my wife on a hot-air balloon over the New England fall foliage, but the week before there was a big rainstorm with strong winds and all the pretty leaves were torn off the trees.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Closest we ever got to OP was the Akron Class ZRS carriers. Really cool ships, too bad that Zeppelins handle like ass in bad weather and the US Navy was too locked in the past to really see what the concept could do (if it could be made to work well, at least)

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Airships and aerostats are actually pretty hard to shoot down without real effort.
      Of course modern military aircraft and AAA would make mincemeat out of them but goat enthusiasts routinely swiss cheesed those little surveillance aerostats with HMG fire to basically no effect.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >just get in range with a MANPAD bro, it's easy bro

      https://i.imgur.com/azJyRof.jpg

      I have mixed feelings about the new Goodyear blimps being zeppelins. On one hand, they're very obviously the wrong shape and it feels a bit dishonest to buy someone else's airships and call them Goodyear blimps.
      On the other hand, Goodyear zeppelin sounds cool and the story behind the revived zeppelin company is pretty neat with the endowment made up of the original zepplin companies remaining assets kept for decades until the time was right for the rigid airship to fly again thing. It's a romantic story really and very german

      The issue is that they're not zeppelins. They're made by the Zeppelin company, but they're actually semi-rigids.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah you can probably get ~7km close to a slow moving aerial target. If not, you have short range SAM.
        If not, what the fuck purpose does it serve hovering ~20km away?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >what the fuck purpose does it serve hovering ~20km away?
          spotting troop movements

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            like...like drones?

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >drones
              not in 1916

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >What don't people use kirov airships irl?
                irl is the current year, anon

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                who cares which year it is as long its the same universe

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                are they still writing that series
                it was shocking how they could make a three-way war between magic, magitech and tech so dull

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I have a feeling the series may be abandoned, despite the war only being at its beginning stages

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Look, do you think anti-sub planes and AWACs also aren't useful because if you wander them into the range of SAMs or enemy fighters they die? Airships are a supporting arm not meant to enter direct combat, just like them.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                actually why don't we have blimp-based AWACs?
                Seems cheaper than flying a big plane everywhere.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                As part of the New Look reforms where Eisenhower tried his absolute damndest to gut the Navy entirely, the USN's airship arm was attrited down to nothing as part of that, and without an Admiral to advocate for them was eventually disbanded. Nowadays there's no institutional knowledge whatsoever left, so it's easier to just go with the flow and use planes for it all.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                As part of the New Look reforms where Eisenhower tried his absolute damndest to gut the Navy entirely, the USN's airship arm was attrited down to nothing as part of that, and without an Admiral to advocate for them was eventually disbanded. Nowadays there's no institutional knowledge whatsoever left, so it's easier to just go with the flow and use planes for it all.

                Airships require specialized hangers and have a lot of issues regarding weather. We trialed aerostat-based AWACS with the JLENS program, but that was cancelled due to cost overruns, poor performance, and an incident where a balloon broke its tether and wound up cutting power to 20,000 homes in Pennsylvania. Border Patrol uses aerostat based ground search radars through TARS.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous
  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I know it's you Sparky

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Hydrogen explodes and helium is both less effective and more expensive.

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because we don't live in a universe written by S.M. Stirling

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because AA guns exist. Zeppelins are only relevant when nobody knows how to deal with airpower.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Or when you don't fly your aircraft into AA guns like it's 1943. Like every competent flying force in the modern era already does with their ISR assets.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        AA is pretty much a fact of life on the modern battlefield. Zeppelins are too slow and too easy to target.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          What role exactly do you think is going to put it in range of any of that? Again, the job for a zeppelin is always going to be a transport, carrier, or ISR asset, none of which are going to be fucking around in the middle of an air defense network. Not like an E-3 is going to be any more survivable if you send it into the same retarded situation.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Transport
            C-7 Galaxy is faster and can carry a larger load.
            >Carrier
            They never fixed the inflight docking and with hydrogen this becomes too much of a risk.
            >ISR
            Probably the only real job a Zeppelin is good for but a soft body blimp drone does the job better.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >C-7 Galaxy is faster and can carry a larger load.
              Compared to what? The only potential contract we had got shitcanned because the hangar collapsed on the small-scale prototype and the company was dumb enough to torpedo their chances by suing the Navy over it.

              >They never fixed the inflight docking and with hydrogen this becomes too much of a risk.
              Carrier operations went off without a hitch on the Akron sisters, neither ever had problems with that. Also nobody fucking uses hydrogen anymore.

              >Probably the only real job a Zeppelin is good for but a soft body blimp drone does the job better.
              At this point, maybe, yes.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Compared to what?
                I think that proves my point. The fastest airship in the world could only travel at 100 km/h. The C-7 Galaxy travels at 8 times that.
                >Carrier operations went off without a hitch on the Akron sisters
                Considering that the Akron sisters were both lost to poor weather I'd say that's another point against zeppelins. We expect carriers to at least survive a storm if not function despite it.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >The fastest airship in the world could only travel at 100 km/h
                Macon made damn close to a hundred miles an hour in her speed trials, and I'd like to think we can do better than technology from a century ago.
                >Considering that the Akron sisters were both lost to poor weather I'd say that's another point against zeppelins. We expect carriers to at least survive a storm if not function despite it.
                The point you tried to make is that they had issues with carrier operations, they didn't. If you wanna talk about why they were lost it was because Akron had a shitty outdated altimeter, and Macon was due to outright sabotage by Admiral Sellers never being repaired before her next Fleet Problem.

                Oxygen is everywhere. The problem isn't oxygen, its pure hydrogen trapped inside a tank. Hydrogen is the first element in the universe and thus the lightest and thus tends to leak all the time from every material. Leakage of enough hydrogen causes combustion when hydrogen interacts with oxygen in natural world.

                The natural leakage of a decently made zeppelin was never going to be enough to light, and the only incident I know in which it did was due to the French doing some exceptionally shitty gas bag replacement work on their war prize X class zeppelins post-WWI.

                [...]
                Airships require specialized hangers and have a lot of issues regarding weather. We trialed aerostat-based AWACS with the JLENS program, but that was cancelled due to cost overruns, poor performance, and an incident where a balloon broke its tether and wound up cutting power to 20,000 homes in Pennsylvania. Border Patrol uses aerostat based ground search radars through TARS.

                >cost overruns, poor performance, and an incident where a balloon broke its tether and wound up cutting power to 20,000 homes in Pennsylvania.
                Entirely separate program from like forty years after we gave up on airships proper.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Macon made damn close to a hundred miles an hour in her speed trials, and I'd like to think we can do better than technology from a century ago.
                Actually, modern blimps max out at about 1125 km/h. That seems to be the upper limit for airships.
                >If you wanna talk about why they were lost it was because Akron had a shitty outdated altimeter,
                Actually, it was pretty common for airships to be lost due to bad weather. The fact is that the only real defense a Zeppelin has against bad weather is to fly over it. This then becomes a problem because those altitudes require oxygen masks and pressurized oxygen is another fire hazard.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Why does an aircraft need oxygen masks?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Zeppelins and blimps, back then, were flying at low altitudes (less than 10000 ft). Over that, most people will need O2 in order to not get hypoxia. If your ship's crew and passengers are all Sherpas, or you have pressurized rooms im your design like a modern aircraft, O2 is not necessary.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                There's no need to have people in an aircraft.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                when you no longer posses ability to produce circuitry or even vacuum tubes, you absolutely do have a need for a pilot

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Because flying over a storm means climbing to air too thin to breath.

                Zeppelins and blimps, back then, were flying at low altitudes (less than 10000 ft). Over that, most people will need O2 in order to not get hypoxia. If your ship's crew and passengers are all Sherpas, or you have pressurized rooms im your design like a modern aircraft, O2 is not necessary.

                Pressurize cabins might be more complicated than air masks. They'll need more structural material and if they're damaged they'll vent explosively.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Actually, modern blimps max out at about 1125 km/h. That seems to be the upper limit for airships.
                Guy, the US was thinking about putting jet engines on our later Cold War ones, you ever consider the modern civilian blimps are slow simply because nobody needs them to go any faster?
                >Actually, it was pretty common for airships to be lost due to bad weather.
                This was rarer than you think almost always due to subpar technology at the time and overconfidence on the part of the commanding officers specifically because they were used to not needing to worry about weather conditions, at one point her her life Akron accumulated 200 tons of ice on her hull and control surfaces with no observable effect.

                Oh thank god, so these giant airships just need to stay away from the air then?

                They need to surround the bags with energy shields that prevent gas leakage.
                Though I guess at that point you can just use antigravity and not bother with airships at all.

                Again, no amount of natural hydrogen leakage should be causing fires, the only documented case of that on a zeppelin was on L72, which the French took as a war prize, proceeded to realize the bags had degraded from the shitty conditions they were keeping her in for months, and then proceeded to contract a local blimp manufacturer who'd never worked on a zeppelin before to try and replace them. The did a shit job, they leaked like a faucet, and then people died because of the French being too prideful yet again.

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    what if we took an aircraft carrier and just lifted it up with a blimp?

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Zeps should come back as carriers once drone warfare is fully operational.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      We're just gonna have giant drones serving as flying drone carriers for smaller drones.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        That seems wasteful

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because saying "Oh the Orcity" when one blows up is kind of awkward.

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    In Red Alert 2 the shell was made of Romanovium instead of canvas

    Said material made it almost impervious to most conventional weaponry but dedicated anti-air

    Even then you had to lob a few missiles, flak and ammo to bring one down

    In Red Alert 3 it was cheaply made of aluminum and all factions have this thing called fighter jets

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      none of that matters anon.
      kirovs were not the meme weapon of the soviet army.
      terror drones were

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    play mental omega

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because they could be out ran by some technicals.

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    They were used historically, but ultimately it was found that airships were not really that good at bombing, so most people stopped using them for that and instead used them for specialized roles where they might be more effective, anti-sub warfare, observation, etc.

    Eventually though they fell mostly out of style as fixed wing aircraft and helicopters were able to fill most roles that dirigibles could and be far less vulnerable. These days they're still used in civilian roles, I don't think anyone has really pushed for military applications of modern airships.

    Personally I do think that there's potential in something crazy like a massive high-altitude semirigid that carries a huge quantity of JDAMs so that it can provide accurate bombardment to an entire battlespace by itself, and unless someone wants to shoot an ICBM at it they're not taking it down.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I don't think anyone has really pushed for military applications of modern airships.
      LEMV, the Navy transport zeps, and the only one that hasn't already fallen through, the possible reintroduction of ASW blimps. That's about the list, sadly.

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Two weeks
    Trust the plan
    -Z

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'll use this opportunity to post some Helium airship history.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I do lots of aviation historical research in my hometown, which is why I have a folder on the subject.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        The helium plant located east of meacham airport. You can see the mooring circle just north of the plant.

        Interesting to note, the building is still standing today.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous
          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous
            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Airship over fort worth

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous
        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Oops.
          Made an error. The tanks east of meacham belong to an oil company.

          The plane is just out of frame on this pic.

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Interesting movie called The Red Tent.
    It's about an Italian military airship they used to try and reach the north pole in 1928.

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    maybe you meant to ask is an armored floating ship possible?

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