yes I open carry it to walmart with a selection of knives, pepper spray and some handcuffs. i am a sheepdog like clint eastwood in dirty harry thats why i have the same gun as him. people give me very jealous looks but not everyone is made to protect the weak and willing to step up.
Is it a classy gun? (OP) >yes I open carry it to walmart with a selection of knives, pepper spray and some handcuffs. i am a sheepdog like clint eastwood in dirty harry thats why i have the same gun as him. people give me very jealous looks but not everyone is made to protect the weak and willing to step up.
They're great by all accounts. >mostly milled parts, all super hardened >no timing issues or frame stretching that an older Python would have seen even after several thousand 357 rounds >Pratt & Whitney makes the few MIM parts in the gun >great trigger BUT stupid spur on hammer's sear cause of Cali regs (gunsmith can take it off) >less parts, less complicated than old Python, doesn't require ancient Colt knowledge and tools >tapered bore just like the Pythons of old
I've played with the new ones numerous times, shot an old one once and played with those when I see them
Personally I'd take a new one, they're more consistent. Old ones can be better or worse than new ones, but they'll all have timing issues in short order if you shoot 357, and you have to have a gunsmith specifically knowledgeable on Schmidt-Galand actions to be able to re-time it >shouldn't happen if you stick to 38Spl
All that said, there's nothing you need to, or should, customize on a Python; they're GTG OOTB
However a Smith is highly customizeable, already have good triggers and I personally think they have better actions and manual of arms (i.e. the cylinder release)
If you just want a solid 357 get a 586/686 all day long >you can easily class up a 686 with Mother's Mag Polish, time and patience >or send it to picrel
If you want something special, get a Python
And if you wanna be "justasgood" get a Ruger and go tell everyone how it's a tank and cope with your shitty trigger and action
This is bait, right?
My 110lb wife can shoot my 686 with 357 like nothing. A Python weighs about the same.
[...] >overpriced
Nah, you'd easily spend the difference on a 686 making it as nice as a Python is OOTB. They are guns that'll last generations unlike their predecessors
Besides, the prices are below MSRP these days, when people were charging $2k+ they were overpriced. Old ones are definitely overpriced, but a bunch of boomers and zoomers that watch TWD have solidified that. Prior to that show they were easily had for ~$1,200
[...] >I'd rather have a Colt Trooper
MK III Troopers are the best looking revolvers ever made IMO
[...]
I have unpopular opinions but I was underwhelmed when I finally got to check out a new MR73. Maybe if I got to shoot it I'd change my mind, but as it was I would rather have a 19
Korth on the other hand was a perfect example of insane German engineering. Perfect in every way and some Kraut magic to make the DA pull so light and crisp
[...]
I hate that meme that Rugers are somehow stronger than anything else.
The whole idea only exists because S&W fucked up the 19 in the first place, leading to Ruger getting this rep and the MR73 existing
Go find someone who said they shot out their L frame though, you'll find claims of tens of thousands of magnum rounds but nobody saying they cracked their forcing cones
Rugers are reliable and are "tanks" but no more than a modern Smith or Colt is. I personally just don't care for them and their trigger mechanism with it's false reset has always bothered me
Also S6 revolvers have a svelte frame like a K, the GP100 is more like an L
These. Rugers are great guns, just stop with the gay talk that all other guns are weak if it’s not a Ruger, that’s how women think. Imagine only limiting yourself to one manufacturer when you can have and experience them all. >pic related frame sizes of model 28 s&w and Ruger Blackhawk, both in .357 mag.
It’s a neat gun, but I think colts owes smith and Wesson a thank you… bet at least 30% of the sales they have are there because the new snake guns don’t have a Hillary hole….
That said I unironically want a 22lr king cobra….1
I want a Colt Python. It would end up being a shiny paper weight that I would fidget with and then scratch it which would really piss me off.
To date, I have been able to refrain from purchasing one.
>I want a Colt Python. It would end up being a shiny paper weight that I would fidget with and then scratch it which would really piss me off.
You know you could like, get a stainless model and refinish it, then EDC it. It's only a paperweight if you don't use it.
>I prefer to EDC a HK VP9 with a 17 round capacity magazine. A revolver with a 6 round capacity is not the optimal self defense tool IMHO.
Honestly, much as people think 357mag being stronger is a meme, it's not really especially close up. Versus bears, animals, etc it does the job better in less rounds. should you be hunting, defending, etc.
There are some benefits to having a revolver too, no chance it'll snag the slide on anything, no jamming within reason, easier to hit with for most. You don't have to worry about firing one handed too.
On the flip side, you've got bigger mag capacity and a higher ROF on the semi. But depending on the make, model etc jams are more frequent and firing one handed might be a no go. Ammo mags are also way more ergonomic than carrying moon clips or speed loaders. CC is also way easier for semis for the most part
Aim's gonna be the most important thing in a self defense shooting regardless of attacker. I think the tradeoff for the benefits is worthwhile with 8 cap revolvers.
>I've got a 17 round magazine featuring a cartridge that often takes 3 (or more) shots to incapacitate someone!
17/3 = 5.66 targets
vs 6 rounds of magnum power with a gun that actually features decent ergos (not as good as SA revolvers but still) which can take out a bear at a decent distance
I'll take that over something that's passable at best in literally only one of two scenarios which are either jogger charging or you happen to be close enough in the midst of a shootout
You are the problem if you can't shoot a charging attacker in the sternum at close range. It is not a failure of the firearm. A single 9mm in the sternum will stop an attacker.
I'm trying to picture in my mind what it would look like for someone to be charging me in such a way that they were presenting their sternum.
In footage I've seen of shootings, guys are constantly getting shot in arms, shoulders, etc. Nobody just sprints straight at a guy with a gun puffing their chest out.
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If they are charging you straight on their sternum will be presented. The attackers body will be squared up to you even if their head is lowered as in a charge.
One of the classiest guns ever made but damn least in my list of to-buy because its usefulness is very restricted compared to other similar models in more affordable price ranges.
How is it overpriced? At $1400? That's less than a sig P220 elite or a kimber 1911 or any number of other handguns. It's $400 more than a 686 or a GP100. Not an issue.
>400 more than a 686.
There's the problem. New ones look like the final pre plating fitting was done in a hut in Jakarta. Old ones can have plating that's well..plating. A 686 has a better trigger and is stainless.
Dumb. What's the point? There's a reason that people who have to actually use pistols in serious situations don't use them. It's too big, too much recoil.
>There's a reason that people who have to actually use pistols in serious situations don't use them.
They don't use them because they go for "muh capacity" or are part of a cheap shit organization. Everybody used to use revolvers.
Hell, SWAT still uses revolvers with a riot sheild. >It's too big, too much recoil.
Have you ever fired a gun? Big heavy guns have less recoil, the weight absorbs the shock. Length wise it might be a bit bigger, but you're not a manlet, are you anon?
the pictured gun probably has less perceived recoil than a micro 9. in general, shooting 357 mag out of a full size revolver of 4" or greater length is very pleasant to shoot. there's enough recoil to remind you that you wield some power in your hands, but the weight of the gun keeps it from being excessive.
no one in the GIGN uses revolvers. they all use glocks. its almost like that 'train for 1-shot stops' bullshit is pure bravado and in the modern world everyone accepts that reality is way more messy than the target range.
>its almost like that 'train for 1-shot stops' bullshit is pure bravado and in the modern world everyone accepts that reality is way more messy than the target range.
Waste of trips on a retard's take. One shot stop training is what accomplished gunfighters do. Anybody who has been in a life or death fight, and lives, begins to train for the appropriate range and shoots for the head, real life only gets "messy" when you're a dipshit who doesn't practice.
I'll trust the california watchseller and the chicago cop before I trust some retard who doesn't train, they used revolvers, btw.
>if you don't CC an 18 shot glock with 3 backup mags you're gonna get clapped baka famalam
Only morons and pigs magdump. Guess what they have in common?
Hint: its lack of training.
I didn't say that, but I expect mental retardation from somebody who posts like you do lol.
>I've got a 17 round magazine featuring a cartridge that often takes 3 (or more) shots to incapacitate someone!
17/3 = 5.66 targets
vs 6 rounds of magnum power with a gun that actually features decent ergos (not as good as SA revolvers but still) which can take out a bear at a decent distance
I'll take that over something that's passable at best in literally only one of two scenarios which are either jogger charging or you happen to be close enough in the midst of a shootout
semis do stop bears, deer, wild animals, etc. Thing is you often need 3-5 or so bullets more than magnum going by the data and hunters I talk to.
It works, but it's a good idea to go for bigger calibers and TRAIN.
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I'd rather use a caliber that will take out either a human or bear in one shot reliably rather than a caliber that can't even reliably incapacitate the former without mag dumping.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I've got a 17 round magazine featuring a cartridge that often takes 3 (or more) shots to incapacitate someone!
17/3 = 5.66 targets
vs 6 rounds of magnum power with a gun that actually features decent ergos (not as good as SA revolvers but still) which can take out a bear at a decent distance
I'll take that over something that's passable at best in literally only one of two scenarios which are either jogger charging or you happen to be close enough in the midst of a shootout
How many people in recorded history have been killed by a bear after landing a hit to the body or head with a 9mm?
4 weeks ago
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probably not many because nobody is dumb enough to go into bear country with a 9mm
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Zero people have ever been recorded as using 9mm against bear and failing.
https://www.ammoland.com/2021/06/handgun-or-pistol-against-bear-attacks-104-cases-97-effective/
probably not many because nobody is dumb enough to go into bear country with a 9mm
It has been done and recorded repeatedly, not just black bear but grizzly too. Honestly with FMJ +p I don't think it matters much what you're using. It's going to penetrate like crazy.
I'd rather have a shotgun or rifle any day, but I genuinely don't think it'd matter if you have a less than nuclear loaded .357, 10mm, or 9mm. .44 is more in line with rifle power, but that comes at a cost. If you're not a competent shooter, you're probably not getting a good follow up shot with it.
>yeah, before they replaced them with Glock 17s lol
Because it's cheaper, and because cops suck at aiming and training, generally. It's a logistics and skill issue. >you're free to keep believing your ancient fuddlore, though
And you're free to be a low IQ monkey lmao
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Yeah, the NATO glowies like Delta and SAD and SEALs who have billion dollar budgets and spend 500k per Raytheon missile all use Glocks because they totally need to save two hundred bucks on a pistol
you're a fucking moron neofudd, and it's apparent to everyone
every waking moment you cope and seethe about semi-automatic polymer wonders because your boomer blaster hasn't been relevant in half a century
4 weeks ago
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They'd rather spend their budget on more important shit than sidearms.
That is literally it, your need to justify your Glocksucking gayry had to envision that they chose your shitty gun that needs aftermarket parts for some profound reason.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
I know it incenses you that you're living in an AR-15/Glock world, but you're gonna have to get over it.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yeah, I live in an NPC world, and I'm not going to get over it.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Yeah, the NATO glowies like Delta and SAD and SEALs who have billion dollar budgets and spend 500k per Raytheon missile all use Glocks because they totally need to save two hundred bucks on a pistol
it's 200$
You're a retard brainlet, so it's understanable you'd think like this. It's far more than that per pistol per the winning bid since the military takes whatever does the minimum for the cheapest. Then it's compounded by cheaper ammo, cheaper parts, less maintenance. Eventually you're saving millions over the long term.
This is why most military outfits in America don't use rifles outside of AR platforms, and rarely if ever use specialty ammo like 300 black out, logistics, parts, familiarity, savings. It's all down to efficiency you moron.
We don't outfit our soldiers with the best of the best, we outfit them with what is good enough and cheap enough. The MIC is a business, not a charity.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Tier One special operations teams actually are able to choose the best of the best weapons for their missions. They train for their missions so they train with the best suited weapons for their missions.
4 weeks ago
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I would imagine in most of their missions they never use a pistol, so the best suited pistol would be something lightweight.
>replaced them with Glock 17s
MR73 is still their go-to sidearm, retard, one or two guys using a Glock doesn't mean shit. Some also use the SP 2022, but MR73 is still prominent.
Also Glocks are mainly issued to poorshit PDs because they get sold at around manufacturing price (~$150). This is literally the only reason why Glocks became prominent—because they shilled them at almost a loss—PDs all around that have the money to are swapping from Glocks.
Take a look at any PD with some money to throw around like Beverly Hills or even LAPD. What do they primarily use now? FN 509.
Glocksuckers need to cope that their myth was built on a lie.
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>the MR-73 is still their go-to sidearm
No, it isn't, and you're an awful fucking liar. Even Beretta, THE PEOPLE WHO OWN CHAPUIS AND MAKE THE MR73, say as much.
Here's a fucking hint, dipshit: don't lie about things that are so easily proved false. You lying gays are a blight on the world.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
You do know that Beretta only imports MR73s, right? Right?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Beretta is just an importer.
No, they're not. They own Chapuis in full, just like they own SAKO, and Holland & Holland, and Uberti, and Benelli, and Stoeger, and others. You did know this, right? You did know Beretta acquired Chapuis Armes since 2019, right? Right?
OH LOOK, THE gay LIAR GOT CAUGHT LYING LIKE A gay AGAIN LOL
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>sperg actually took the bait
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>lol I was only pretending to be retarded
uh huh
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
It's funny seeing you work your sperg ass up, what can I say?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
It's hilarious watching how mad stupid people like you get while learning something. Must be all the african DNA.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>says the guy who went all caps
Man I got dubs on my posts, what's there to be mad about?
Maybe don't be so easy to rile up
4 weeks ago
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>typing DNA is going all caps
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
I was referring to this post
https://i.imgur.com/xfePtRj.png
>Beretta is just an importer.
No, they're not. They own Chapuis in full, just like they own SAKO, and Holland & Holland, and Uberti, and Benelli, and Stoeger, and others. You did know this, right? You did know Beretta acquired Chapuis Armes since 2019, right? Right?
OH LOOK, THE gay LIAR GOT CAUGHT LYING LIKE A gay AGAIN LOL
And hot damn I got dubs on the post celebrating getting dubs fuck yeah
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I was referring to this post
https://i.imgur.com/xfePtRj.png
>Beretta is just an importer.
No, they're not. They own Chapuis in full, just like they own SAKO, and Holland & Holland, and Uberti, and Benelli, and Stoeger, and others. You did know this, right? You did know Beretta acquired Chapuis Armes since 2019, right? Right?
OH LOOK, THE gay LIAR GOT CAUGHT LYING LIKE A gay AGAIN LOL
never read it not my problem
4 weeks ago
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Damn dude calm down. Is this transference? It feels like transference
>its almost like that 'train for 1-shot stops' bullshit is pure bravado and in the modern world everyone accepts that reality is way more messy than the target range.
Waste of trips on a retard's take. One shot stop training is what accomplished gunfighters do. Anybody who has been in a life or death fight, and lives, begins to train for the appropriate range and shoots for the head, real life only gets "messy" when you're a dipshit who doesn't practice.
I'll trust the california watchseller and the chicago cop before I trust some retard who doesn't train, they used revolvers, btw.
>1-shot stops
I think it's important to qualify here that GIGN are special forces. Their missions are rigorously planned and practiced, so surprises aren't likely to come up. When you're a doorkicker who choreographs every shot and has 6 other guys backing you up this is a lot more feasible.
This is bait, right?
My 110lb wife can shoot my 686 with 357 like nothing. A Python weighs about the same.
I think it's an amazing revolver, maybe one of the best ever made.
And yet, it's still overpriced for what it is.
>overpriced
Nah, you'd easily spend the difference on a 686 making it as nice as a Python is OOTB. They are guns that'll last generations unlike their predecessors
Besides, the prices are below MSRP these days, when people were charging $2k+ they were overpriced. Old ones are definitely overpriced, but a bunch of boomers and zoomers that watch TWD have solidified that. Prior to that show they were easily had for ~$1,200
Full underlug only looks good on snubnose revolvers. I'd rather have a Colt Trooper.
>I'd rather have a Colt Trooper
MK III Troopers are the best looking revolvers ever made IMO
The modern MR73 and all Korths are five axis CNC'd and minimally handfit and cost $3500-5000. Korth just throws a DLC coating on their guns, some of which have aluminum sleeved barrels. They aren't even bothering with fine polishing and they still cost 3x as much as a python/smith and wesson.
Which is actually overpriced? New Python is basically exactly the same price as the 60s-80s models with inflation adjustment. I just don't get how "expensive" is a complaint against it, the attention to detail and fitment is out of this world head and shoulders above any smith made since the 80s
I have unpopular opinions but I was underwhelmed when I finally got to check out a new MR73. Maybe if I got to shoot it I'd change my mind, but as it was I would rather have a 19
Korth on the other hand was a perfect example of insane German engineering. Perfect in every way and some Kraut magic to make the DA pull so light and crisp
I never said Rugers wasn’t a working man’s gun either. Of course they are the gp100 and security six are great. I’m just saying these work great also, have big fuck cylinders and frame, won’t break on you after extensive use, good feeling action and lock up, came out around the same time as the colt python, and are also good robust guns. Not sure why both cant work.
[...] >It’s just shitty because…. BECAUSE IT JUST IS OKAY! >Paying $1300 for a gun you can get for 750-950.
Anon I….
I hate that meme that Rugers are somehow stronger than anything else.
The whole idea only exists because S&W fucked up the 19 in the first place, leading to Ruger getting this rep and the MR73 existing
Go find someone who said they shot out their L frame though, you'll find claims of tens of thousands of magnum rounds but nobody saying they cracked their forcing cones
Rugers are reliable and are "tanks" but no more than a modern Smith or Colt is. I personally just don't care for them and their trigger mechanism with it's false reset has always bothered me
Also S6 revolvers have a svelte frame like a K, the GP100 is more like an L
of the revolver cylinder latch button styles, colt's is my least favorite. they're famous for having a tighter lockup than their contemporaries which feels nice to fingerfuck but doesn't really result in any kind of increased performance or reliability.
overall I think they're nice guns but they aren't for me
The modern MR73 and all Korths are five axis CNC'd and minimally handfit and cost $3500-5000. Korth just throws a DLC coating on their guns, some of which have aluminum sleeved barrels. They aren't even bothering with fine polishing and they still cost 3x as much as a python/smith and wesson.
Which is actually overpriced? New Python is basically exactly the same price as the 60s-80s models with inflation adjustment. I just don't get how "expensive" is a complaint against it, the attention to detail and fitment is out of this world head and shoulders above any smith made since the 80s
Cool guns but are overpriced by fat fuck boomer bellies not even using them like the pot bellied fags they are. If you want a working man’s 357 you can actually afford and not get out priced by fat boomer bellies, get a S&W model 28 highway patrolman or a model 27. Same gun basically just the finish is different and they have pinned and recessed buttholes. N frame 28/27 will take any hot fucker load you throw in it and laugh. Just avoid buying any of the Hillary Cuck locks, luckily none of the 28’s have that.
>working man's gun is a weak ass shit and wesson piece of crap >used and overpriced
Fuck that. The working man's revolver is a fuckin Ruger and you know it. It works better than your bullshit while being cheaper, and you hate it for it. That's what makes it the working man's option.
actually, why isn't there a reliable $500 to $700 wheel gun that competes on the level with the usual suspects in magazine fed handguns?
Unless you live in Europe, you should be able to go to just about any gun store and walk away with a LCR or SP101 for under $700. The selection probably isn't going to be great, so if you want a specific barrel length you might have to order online, but it's not going to cost you a grand to get it.
If you want a decent revolver under $700 you're gonna have to look around, probably used. New Taurus is supposedly much better so there's that if you're willing to take the risk.
Otherwise >Dan Wesson 15-2 >Colt Trooper or Lawman (any gen) >Security Six >LCR/LCRx >The occasional GP100
And yes, even Smiths; 19, 60, 686, 28 (I mostly know 357) can be had under $700, particularly if you're willing to accept shitty finish and/or you're not a complete autist and don't care about the Hilary Hole
Yes, we would all prefer one without it, but tbh I got my 686-6 at a good enough price and I enjoy the shit out of it
Really the thing that bugs me is how the top end of the frame, the "hammer groove" for lack of a better term, isn't as concave as it is on pre-lock guns
Someone pointed it out and I can't unsee it.
At the same time I don't really care to go through the hassle or expense to sell this and buy a pre-lock
Then again if I did I'm torn between a 586 and another 686. I love the Pachy grip I put on picrel but for some reason it doesn't sit well with me to put it on a 586, or likewise put wood stocks on a 686
>working man's gun is a weak ass shit and wesson piece of crap >used and overpriced
Fuck that. The working man's revolver is a fuckin Ruger and you know it. It works better than your bullshit while being cheaper, and you hate it for it. That's what makes it the working man's option.
I never said Rugers wasn’t a working man’s gun either. Of course they are the gp100 and security six are great. I’m just saying these work great also, have big fuck cylinders and frame, won’t break on you after extensive use, good feeling action and lock up, came out around the same time as the colt python, and are also good robust guns. Not sure why both cant work.
https://i.imgur.com/N5L146t.gif
>the working man's .357 is a questionably used $1300 gun
>It’s just shitty because…. BECAUSE IT JUST IS OKAY! >Paying $1300 for a gun you can get for 750-950.
Anon I….
I have a 6 inch stainless security 6 and I really like it. The action is much nicer than any modern factory ruger I've handled. I don't know if mine got a trigger job at some point. I suspect they just made the security six better.
It's been my dream since I was 10 years old to blow a moron's head off with one
used akimbo Pythons in black ops 1 and fell in love ever since. I prefer the black versions with wood grip.
yes I open carry it to walmart with a selection of knives, pepper spray and some handcuffs. i am a sheepdog like clint eastwood in dirty harry thats why i have the same gun as him. people give me very jealous looks but not everyone is made to protect the weak and willing to step up.
>
What does PrepHole think of the Colt Python?
Is it a classy gun? (OP)
>yes I open carry it to walmart with a selection of knives, pepper spray and some handcuffs. i am a sheepdog like clint eastwood in dirty harry thats why i have the same gun as him. people give me very jealous looks but not everyone is made to protect the weak and willing to step up.
>i am a sheepdog like clint eastwood in dirty harry thats why i have the same gun as him
Dirty Harry used a 44 magnum....
I figure it was bait.
oh did you mr serious. how many reddit updoots did you get for calling out the ebil troll.
yes like me
fuggin based
They're great by all accounts.
>mostly milled parts, all super hardened
>no timing issues or frame stretching that an older Python would have seen even after several thousand 357 rounds
>Pratt & Whitney makes the few MIM parts in the gun
>great trigger BUT stupid spur on hammer's sear cause of Cali regs (gunsmith can take it off)
>less parts, less complicated than old Python, doesn't require ancient Colt knowledge and tools
>tapered bore just like the Pythons of old
I've played with the new ones numerous times, shot an old one once and played with those when I see them
Personally I'd take a new one, they're more consistent. Old ones can be better or worse than new ones, but they'll all have timing issues in short order if you shoot 357, and you have to have a gunsmith specifically knowledgeable on Schmidt-Galand actions to be able to re-time it
>shouldn't happen if you stick to 38Spl
All that said, there's nothing you need to, or should, customize on a Python; they're GTG OOTB
However a Smith is highly customizeable, already have good triggers and I personally think they have better actions and manual of arms (i.e. the cylinder release)
If you just want a solid 357 get a 586/686 all day long
>you can easily class up a 686 with Mother's Mag Polish, time and patience
>or send it to picrel
If you want something special, get a Python
And if you wanna be "justasgood" get a Ruger and go tell everyone how it's a tank and cope with your shitty trigger and action
These. Rugers are great guns, just stop with the gay talk that all other guns are weak if it’s not a Ruger, that’s how women think. Imagine only limiting yourself to one manufacturer when you can have and experience them all.
>pic related frame sizes of model 28 s&w and Ruger Blackhawk, both in .357 mag.
I like mine. And I'd like to think myself classy.
It’s a neat gun, but I think colts owes smith and Wesson a thank you… bet at least 30% of the sales they have are there because the new snake guns don’t have a Hillary hole….
That said I unironically want a 22lr king cobra….1
no one that buys classy guns these days is classy
I want a Colt Python. It would end up being a shiny paper weight that I would fidget with and then scratch it which would really piss me off.
To date, I have been able to refrain from purchasing one.
>I want a Colt Python. It would end up being a shiny paper weight that I would fidget with and then scratch it which would really piss me off.
You know you could like, get a stainless model and refinish it, then EDC it. It's only a paperweight if you don't use it.
I prefer to EDC a HK VP9 with a 17 round capacity magazine. A revolver with a 6 round capacity is not the optimal self defense tool IMHO.
>I prefer to EDC a HK VP9 with a 17 round capacity magazine. A revolver with a 6 round capacity is not the optimal self defense tool IMHO.
Honestly, much as people think 357mag being stronger is a meme, it's not really especially close up. Versus bears, animals, etc it does the job better in less rounds. should you be hunting, defending, etc.
There are some benefits to having a revolver too, no chance it'll snag the slide on anything, no jamming within reason, easier to hit with for most. You don't have to worry about firing one handed too.
On the flip side, you've got bigger mag capacity and a higher ROF on the semi. But depending on the make, model etc jams are more frequent and firing one handed might be a no go. Ammo mags are also way more ergonomic than carrying moon clips or speed loaders. CC is also way easier for semis for the most part
Aim's gonna be the most important thing in a self defense shooting regardless of attacker. I think the tradeoff for the benefits is worthwhile with 8 cap revolvers.
>I've got a 17 round magazine featuring a cartridge that often takes 3 (or more) shots to incapacitate someone!
17/3 = 5.66 targets
vs 6 rounds of magnum power with a gun that actually features decent ergos (not as good as SA revolvers but still) which can take out a bear at a decent distance
I'll take that over something that's passable at best in literally only one of two scenarios which are either jogger charging or you happen to be close enough in the midst of a shootout
You are the problem if you can't shoot a charging attacker in the sternum at close range. It is not a failure of the firearm. A single 9mm in the sternum will stop an attacker.
I'm trying to picture in my mind what it would look like for someone to be charging me in such a way that they were presenting their sternum.
In footage I've seen of shootings, guys are constantly getting shot in arms, shoulders, etc. Nobody just sprints straight at a guy with a gun puffing their chest out.
If they are charging you straight on their sternum will be presented. The attackers body will be squared up to you even if their head is lowered as in a charge.
One of the classiest guns ever made but damn least in my list of to-buy because its usefulness is very restricted compared to other similar models in more affordable price ranges.
I think it's an amazing revolver, maybe one of the best ever made.
And yet, it's still overpriced for what it is.
How is it overpriced? At $1400? That's less than a sig P220 elite or a kimber 1911 or any number of other handguns. It's $400 more than a 686 or a GP100. Not an issue.
>400 more than a 686.
There's the problem. New ones look like the final pre plating fitting was done in a hut in Jakarta. Old ones can have plating that's well..plating. A 686 has a better trigger and is stainless.
It’s cooler than my kimber, but not $700 cooler, or 2k in the case of old ones
Dumb. What's the point? There's a reason that people who have to actually use pistols in serious situations don't use them. It's too big, too much recoil.
>There's a reason that people who have to actually use pistols in serious situations don't use them.
They don't use them because they go for "muh capacity" or are part of a cheap shit organization. Everybody used to use revolvers.
Hell, SWAT still uses revolvers with a riot sheild.
>It's too big, too much recoil.
Have you ever fired a gun? Big heavy guns have less recoil, the weight absorbs the shock. Length wise it might be a bit bigger, but you're not a manlet, are you anon?
the pictured gun probably has less perceived recoil than a micro 9. in general, shooting 357 mag out of a full size revolver of 4" or greater length is very pleasant to shoot. there's enough recoil to remind you that you wield some power in your hands, but the weight of the gun keeps it from being excessive.
>Laughs in GIGN
no one in the GIGN uses revolvers. they all use glocks. its almost like that 'train for 1-shot stops' bullshit is pure bravado and in the modern world everyone accepts that reality is way more messy than the target range.
>its almost like that 'train for 1-shot stops' bullshit is pure bravado and in the modern world everyone accepts that reality is way more messy than the target range.
Waste of trips on a retard's take. One shot stop training is what accomplished gunfighters do. Anybody who has been in a life or death fight, and lives, begins to train for the appropriate range and shoots for the head, real life only gets "messy" when you're a dipshit who doesn't practice.
I'll trust the california watchseller and the chicago cop before I trust some retard who doesn't train, they used revolvers, btw.
>if you train that means you train to expect a 1-shot stop every time and therefore only need a gun with six shots
>if you don't CC an 18 shot glock with 3 backup mags you're gonna get clapped baka famalam
Only morons and pigs magdump. Guess what they have in common?
Hint: its lack of training.
I didn't say that, but I expect mental retardation from somebody who posts like you do lol.
semis do stop bears, deer, wild animals, etc. Thing is you often need 3-5 or so bullets more than magnum going by the data and hunters I talk to.
It works, but it's a good idea to go for bigger calibers and TRAIN.
I'd rather use a caliber that will take out either a human or bear in one shot reliably rather than a caliber that can't even reliably incapacitate the former without mag dumping.
How many people in recorded history have been killed by a bear after landing a hit to the body or head with a 9mm?
probably not many because nobody is dumb enough to go into bear country with a 9mm
Zero people have ever been recorded as using 9mm against bear and failing.
https://www.ammoland.com/2021/06/handgun-or-pistol-against-bear-attacks-104-cases-97-effective/
It has been done and recorded repeatedly, not just black bear but grizzly too. Honestly with FMJ +p I don't think it matters much what you're using. It's going to penetrate like crazy.
I'd rather have a shotgun or rifle any day, but I genuinely don't think it'd matter if you have a less than nuclear loaded .357, 10mm, or 9mm. .44 is more in line with rifle power, but that comes at a cost. If you're not a competent shooter, you're probably not getting a good follow up shot with it.
>they used revolvers
yeah, before they replaced them with Glock 17s lol
you're free to keep believing your ancient fuddlore, though
>yeah, before they replaced them with Glock 17s lol
Because it's cheaper, and because cops suck at aiming and training, generally. It's a logistics and skill issue.
>you're free to keep believing your ancient fuddlore, though
And you're free to be a low IQ monkey lmao
Yeah, the NATO glowies like Delta and SAD and SEALs who have billion dollar budgets and spend 500k per Raytheon missile all use Glocks because they totally need to save two hundred bucks on a pistol
you're a fucking moron neofudd, and it's apparent to everyone
every waking moment you cope and seethe about semi-automatic polymer wonders because your boomer blaster hasn't been relevant in half a century
They'd rather spend their budget on more important shit than sidearms.
That is literally it, your need to justify your Glocksucking gayry had to envision that they chose your shitty gun that needs aftermarket parts for some profound reason.
I know it incenses you that you're living in an AR-15/Glock world, but you're gonna have to get over it.
Yeah, I live in an NPC world, and I'm not going to get over it.
>Yeah, the NATO glowies like Delta and SAD and SEALs who have billion dollar budgets and spend 500k per Raytheon missile all use Glocks because they totally need to save two hundred bucks on a pistol
it's 200$
You're a retard brainlet, so it's understanable you'd think like this. It's far more than that per pistol per the winning bid since the military takes whatever does the minimum for the cheapest. Then it's compounded by cheaper ammo, cheaper parts, less maintenance. Eventually you're saving millions over the long term.
This is why most military outfits in America don't use rifles outside of AR platforms, and rarely if ever use specialty ammo like 300 black out, logistics, parts, familiarity, savings. It's all down to efficiency you moron.
We don't outfit our soldiers with the best of the best, we outfit them with what is good enough and cheap enough. The MIC is a business, not a charity.
Tier One special operations teams actually are able to choose the best of the best weapons for their missions. They train for their missions so they train with the best suited weapons for their missions.
I would imagine in most of their missions they never use a pistol, so the best suited pistol would be something lightweight.
>replaced them with Glock 17s
MR73 is still their go-to sidearm, retard, one or two guys using a Glock doesn't mean shit. Some also use the SP 2022, but MR73 is still prominent.
Also Glocks are mainly issued to poorshit PDs because they get sold at around manufacturing price (~$150). This is literally the only reason why Glocks became prominent—because they shilled them at almost a loss—PDs all around that have the money to are swapping from Glocks.
Take a look at any PD with some money to throw around like Beverly Hills or even LAPD. What do they primarily use now? FN 509.
Glocksuckers need to cope that their myth was built on a lie.
>the MR-73 is still their go-to sidearm
No, it isn't, and you're an awful fucking liar. Even Beretta, THE PEOPLE WHO OWN CHAPUIS AND MAKE THE MR73, say as much.
Here's a fucking hint, dipshit: don't lie about things that are so easily proved false. You lying gays are a blight on the world.
You do know that Beretta only imports MR73s, right? Right?
>Beretta is just an importer.
No, they're not. They own Chapuis in full, just like they own SAKO, and Holland & Holland, and Uberti, and Benelli, and Stoeger, and others. You did know this, right? You did know Beretta acquired Chapuis Armes since 2019, right? Right?
OH LOOK, THE gay LIAR GOT CAUGHT LYING LIKE A gay AGAIN LOL
>sperg actually took the bait
>lol I was only pretending to be retarded
uh huh
It's funny seeing you work your sperg ass up, what can I say?
It's hilarious watching how mad stupid people like you get while learning something. Must be all the african DNA.
>says the guy who went all caps
Man I got dubs on my posts, what's there to be mad about?
Maybe don't be so easy to rile up
>typing DNA is going all caps
I was referring to this post
And hot damn I got dubs on the post celebrating getting dubs fuck yeah
>I was referring to this post
>Beretta is just an importer.
No, they're not. They own Chapuis in full, just like they own SAKO, and Holland & Holland, and Uberti, and Benelli, and Stoeger, and others. You did know this, right? You did know Beretta acquired Chapuis Armes since 2019, right? Right?
OH LOOK, THE gay LIAR GOT CAUGHT LYING LIKE A gay AGAIN LOL
never read it not my problem
Damn dude calm down. Is this transference? It feels like transference
>1-shot stops
I think it's important to qualify here that GIGN are special forces. Their missions are rigorously planned and practiced, so surprises aren't likely to come up. When you're a doorkicker who choreographs every shot and has 6 other guys backing you up this is a lot more feasible.
>too much recoil
>too big
anon…. im so fucking sorry…
This is bait, right?
My 110lb wife can shoot my 686 with 357 like nothing. A Python weighs about the same.
>overpriced
Nah, you'd easily spend the difference on a 686 making it as nice as a Python is OOTB. They are guns that'll last generations unlike their predecessors
Besides, the prices are below MSRP these days, when people were charging $2k+ they were overpriced. Old ones are definitely overpriced, but a bunch of boomers and zoomers that watch TWD have solidified that. Prior to that show they were easily had for ~$1,200
>I'd rather have a Colt Trooper
MK III Troopers are the best looking revolvers ever made IMO
I have unpopular opinions but I was underwhelmed when I finally got to check out a new MR73. Maybe if I got to shoot it I'd change my mind, but as it was I would rather have a 19
Korth on the other hand was a perfect example of insane German engineering. Perfect in every way and some Kraut magic to make the DA pull so light and crisp
I hate that meme that Rugers are somehow stronger than anything else.
The whole idea only exists because S&W fucked up the 19 in the first place, leading to Ruger getting this rep and the MR73 existing
Go find someone who said they shot out their L frame though, you'll find claims of tens of thousands of magnum rounds but nobody saying they cracked their forcing cones
Rugers are reliable and are "tanks" but no more than a modern Smith or Colt is. I personally just don't care for them and their trigger mechanism with it's false reset has always bothered me
Also S6 revolvers have a svelte frame like a K, the GP100 is more like an L
I would buy one because it is a genuinely nice gun
Full underlug only looks good on snubnose revolvers. I'd rather have a Colt Trooper.
of the revolver cylinder latch button styles, colt's is my least favorite. they're famous for having a tighter lockup than their contemporaries which feels nice to fingerfuck but doesn't really result in any kind of increased performance or reliability.
overall I think they're nice guns but they aren't for me
meme gun
The modern MR73 and all Korths are five axis CNC'd and minimally handfit and cost $3500-5000. Korth just throws a DLC coating on their guns, some of which have aluminum sleeved barrels. They aren't even bothering with fine polishing and they still cost 3x as much as a python/smith and wesson.
Which is actually overpriced? New Python is basically exactly the same price as the 60s-80s models with inflation adjustment. I just don't get how "expensive" is a complaint against it, the attention to detail and fitment is out of this world head and shoulders above any smith made since the 80s
Cool guns but are overpriced by fat fuck boomer bellies not even using them like the pot bellied fags they are. If you want a working man’s 357 you can actually afford and not get out priced by fat boomer bellies, get a S&W model 28 highway patrolman or a model 27. Same gun basically just the finish is different and they have pinned and recessed buttholes. N frame 28/27 will take any hot fucker load you throw in it and laugh. Just avoid buying any of the Hillary Cuck locks, luckily none of the 28’s have that.
>the working man's .357 is a questionably used $1300 gun
actually, why isn't there a reliable $500 to $700 wheel gun that competes on the level with the usual suspects in magazine fed handguns?
ruger sp101, gp100, lcrx
>the only one of those in stock anywhere is the lcrx in 38spc
>if you can find the sp101 or gp100 in stock they're going for $1000 or more
https://gun.deals/search/apachesolr_search/ruger%20.357
baka
Unless you live in Europe, you should be able to go to just about any gun store and walk away with a LCR or SP101 for under $700. The selection probably isn't going to be great, so if you want a specific barrel length you might have to order online, but it's not going to cost you a grand to get it.
I got one for you anon
get an old ruger security 6
If you want a decent revolver under $700 you're gonna have to look around, probably used. New Taurus is supposedly much better so there's that if you're willing to take the risk.
Otherwise
>Dan Wesson 15-2
>Colt Trooper or Lawman (any gen)
>Security Six
>LCR/LCRx
>The occasional GP100
And yes, even Smiths; 19, 60, 686, 28 (I mostly know 357) can be had under $700, particularly if you're willing to accept shitty finish and/or you're not a complete autist and don't care about the Hilary Hole
Yes, we would all prefer one without it, but tbh I got my 686-6 at a good enough price and I enjoy the shit out of it
Really the thing that bugs me is how the top end of the frame, the "hammer groove" for lack of a better term, isn't as concave as it is on pre-lock guns
Someone pointed it out and I can't unsee it.
At the same time I don't really care to go through the hassle or expense to sell this and buy a pre-lock
Then again if I did I'm torn between a 586 and another 686. I love the Pachy grip I put on picrel but for some reason it doesn't sit well with me to put it on a 586, or likewise put wood stocks on a 686
>working man's gun is a weak ass shit and wesson piece of crap
>used and overpriced
Fuck that. The working man's revolver is a fuckin Ruger and you know it. It works better than your bullshit while being cheaper, and you hate it for it. That's what makes it the working man's option.
Don't worry, I found the REAL working man's 357 Magnum
I'll take that as a no
I never said Rugers wasn’t a working man’s gun either. Of course they are the gp100 and security six are great. I’m just saying these work great also, have big fuck cylinders and frame, won’t break on you after extensive use, good feeling action and lock up, came out around the same time as the colt python, and are also good robust guns. Not sure why both cant work.
>It’s just shitty because…. BECAUSE IT JUST IS OKAY!
>Paying $1300 for a gun you can get for 750-950.
Anon I….
>classy
>t. plebbitor in hiding
When was the last time you went a single day without talking about reddit?
Yes, I do Rick point with it
I have a 6 inch stainless security 6 and I really like it. The action is much nicer than any modern factory ruger I've handled. I don't know if mine got a trigger job at some point. I suspect they just made the security six better.
yes it is very classy. if i could kill myself it would be with this gun and also i would stick it up my ass and use it like a dildo :3
It's been my dream since I was 10 years old to blow a moron's head off with one
used akimbo Pythons in black ops 1 and fell in love ever since. I prefer the black versions with wood grip.
Real chads buy Smith & Wesson
>brand loyalism
Of course you need to have one without the HH. I won't buy anymore Smith and Wesson guns until the correct that sin.
they're nice. no regrets.