I've been really thinking of getting one for my first gun. I live in Canada so we're pretty limited but the lever action looks pretty ideal my only gripe is that the action looks reasonably complex, by which I mean, multiple potential points of failure compared to say a bolt action or pump action. Am I wrong? Is this a good gun for hunting and a zombie apocalypse? They sure look awesome and look like fun
I personally think they're overpriced for what they are but they work fine
Get a 30-30
I just assume they're priced as such due to a lack of production numbers
they’re priced like that because they require a lot more finish and assembly work than other guns.
theres a slimness and handling that is unique to leverguns. you dont notice how nice it is without comparison to others but once you know its like wtf why is everything else so thick.
I have an old marlin in .30-30 that I don't shoot very often but this always strikes me. They're compact in a way that "common" rifles aren't anymore - with the exception of bolt guns, but levers are more fun. Plus, side loading just feels fucking badass.
>The same applies to women
very cool and fun, also pretty good for hunting.
Get a classic Marlin.
They're fine. Some are more complicated than others but they are robust. You'll find a ton of them on the used market as well, so go for it. If you want new, Miroku makes the best ones today. Get a .357 so you can plink with .38 rounds and hunt with .357
They're fun as all hell.
1892 is always the way to go, don't let anyone tell you that those big chunky 73's are useful for anything other than CAS.
Lever actions are probably the most fun Ive had with guns in years.
I have some levers that are 125+ years old that still function flawlessly. So yes they will be fine for long term longevity.
92s are only good if you want the extra half pound savings. 73s are way smoother and way better looking
And a fuckload stronger gun in a significantly dimensionally smaller gun.
Fuck, the 73 is the same size as an 86.
The 92's are plenty smooth and will shoot loads that will make a 73 no longer lock up safely.
Thats just not correct though.
Uberti 73s are certified for 357 Mag by C.I.P. standards. Which is 44,000 PSI. SAMMI standards are 35,000 PSI. Than you also have to remember that Uberti has to test their gun and ensire it can handle 130% of the power without catistrophic failure (57,000 PSI.)
357 Maximum is at 40,000PSI SAMMI spec. So no your "hot loaded" 357 Mag wont blow up a 73. Unless you plan on loadding 357 max into your lever one bulllet at a time you wont hurt a modern Uberti 357 Mag 73
If you don't know shit, don't say as much.
But I do know shit being a dealer for them and talking to them extensively on this subject.
Maybe you should do some research on what Italian firearms manufactures have to do to get an approved gun and how they can certify a gun as safe. Of course you wont because its easier to just pull shit out of your ass and act like you sound smart.
Pic rel, straight from the manual
Anon, SAAMI is a standardized classification for a cartridge, not an appraisal of the respective firearm's capabilities. You can always load over SAAMI, many people have. The 92 will tolerate what the relatively weak 73 will not, and for a longer time. S&W still chambers J frame in 357, but the doesn't mean they hold up over 1000 rounds of 357 very well.
You will bend and peen an 1873's toggle system long before you could ever damage an 1892 with the same loads. You are welcome to try 50,000psi loads in it if you want to prove the 73 is "just as good.", but I'm going to stand behind a shield of some sort.
Moreover, why is there no 1873 in 44 Mag?
Surely if the action is "just as good" then it can handle something that operates at nearly the same SAAMI pressure as 357 right?
Or is it perhaps the increased stresses on the bolt and toggle system cause problems and so they don't offer it?
look at the force on the bolt, and you'll have your answer.
Correct. The toggle link system relies on these pins to hold the toggles in place, as those are stressed and fatigued they bend and the bolt no longer shuts tightly creating excessive headspace.
Uberti actually did use to offer them in 44 Mag, but they don't anymore. Even with the beefed up links and pins, they didn't hold up to cumulative firings of heavy(but within SAAMI) 44 mag.
On the other hand the 92 has been hotrodded all throughout the 20th century. Late model 92's(1930's vintage) were converted from 25-20 or 32-20 to 357, 44-40 to 44 Magnum. Other manufacturers officially chambered them in these magnums in the late 70's and 80's.
Guys like Paco Kelly abused the shit out of these new production guns that no reasonable person would think to load up, and the guns held fine.(Okay, except the 454 Casull tests)
There is 73s in 44 mag. Rarely produced but they exist and suprisingly dont blow up.
https://gunsmagazine.com/guns/cimarron-model-1873-44-magnum/
Never said. The 92 wasnt stronger. Simply said the whole "73s will buckle under slight pressure" is a proven myth. 73 can even handle CIP standard 357 which would be considered hot loads. Would I run it as a steady diet? No. But I would use them as needed and not be scared the action will bust.
The 92 is stronger. But its not as smooth and it doesnt look as good. Which was my original point.
I really wish they would make all the 73s with the modern steel and heat treating of the 44 mag ones
They are.
So I can shoot +P .45 Colt in a new 73?
Sometimes anon, the sum of the materials and hardening used isn't the answer.
>73s are ... way better looking
>The 92 ... doesnt look as good.
idk anon, i think the sideplates look like ass, like actually the main reason i would not buy one.
checked.
I just bought a bigboy model X in .357 as my first levergat. I mainly bought it because it has a threaded barrel I can put my suppressor on.
Luv me marlin, simple as
It's the most fun if any action. I bought my dad a 30-30 years ago but I think I shoot it more than him. Been think about getting a .357 magnum lever action for cheap plinking with. 38 special and maybe taking a deer
never had a lever before. you boys think this would be fine for an entry level lever gun?
it's cheap and I have more .22 than braincells so I figure why not
I have been looking at getting one of these too, since it's not much more than a Rossi but supposedly much higher quality.
yeah I'm probably gonna order one tonight then. can't wait to feel how this action works
>not more than a Rossi
Rossi's are like twice that now
I own one of those, was a gift from my dad a decade ago. I love it, but I must admit I have no experience with other lever actions. Still kinda hate the sights (semi buckhorn i think they're called?), but it's good enough for shooting targets and cans. So yeah, it's a great first lever gun.
Free advice: When chambering another round, make sure you bring the lever back *all* the way in one fast and fluid motion. That may sound obvious to you, but it wasn't to my no guns friends. Stuck .22s are a real bitch to get out because there isn't much space in the chamber. Scratches related.
Get some cold blue from Walmart on there bro. If it was a gift from your dad it might be sentimentaly worth it to have it treated with a nice ass stronger coating. Wish robar hadn't shut down and we could still np3 coat whatever we wanted.
ok I ordered it I hope it's nice
The finish on the receiver is cheap paint and it's gunna scratch off, I would reccomend you get a Golden Boy instead (which just has a brass finish instead of paint). Otherwise it's a fine rifle for what it is and you can't go too far wrong at that price point.
I think they are an zinc/aluminum alloy, when i manage to scratch mine im groing to try some brichwood casey 'aluminum black' on it and see if that works, if not, i may end up just rattle canning her.
Worse comes to worst you can buy new reciever covers directly from henry (sold out atm)
Not sure how you would touch up a scratched golden boy. they dont sell spare covers for them either and brass plating is just kinda gay ngl.
I know there's one anon who just brushed/sanded the finish off and left the plates bare. It honestly looked OK. I was thinking of giving my own gun the same treatment if the scratches started to bother me too much.
its a shame 22 levergats don't have loading gates
Very cool want to get a 22lr to plink with and not have to invest into another expensive caliber. Though my love for it after using will probably lead me down the path to a .357 or 44 magnum one. At least I can always say it's for the bears when camping.
they're based
manual action firearms are the most fun to own and shoot
good enough for personal protection too
>I live in Canada so we're pretty limited
Not limited enough that you can't just buy a semi-auto just as easily. Lever guns are based though, so definitely get one if you want one, but don't think you need to get one as a semi-auto cope. Picrel is my Marlin, and nice trips
I live in Canada as well OP and I was thinking of buying a Henry Big Boy X in .357. As others have said, .357 means you can also use .38 special and save some money. However, I’m also tempted to get it in 45-70 gov just for fun, but ammo is really bloody expensive and I only do target shooting, no hunting, so it’s likely overkill.
What semiautos would you recommend here in Canada? With the recent ban, a bunch of fun stuff I had my eye on is now a no-go. I was thinking of getting an SKS, but a guy at my local range who has one says the ammo is too hard find, and our range doesn’t allow steel core.
>What semiautos would you recommend here in Canada?
Totally depends on what you want. I'll keep it to easy-to-find guns. If you want to just shoot paper at the range, a 9mm PCC like a Kel-Tec Sub-2000 or Freedom Ordinance FX-9 is a good buy. If you want something more serious, but still a beater, look into the SKS. Kel-Tec also makes affordable rifles like the SU-16. If you don't mind spending money for something nice, look at the X-95 Tavor or H&K SL8.
>a guy at my local range who has one says the ammo is too hard find
He's full of shit, it's all over the place. My local Cabela's always has crates of it stacked 6 feet high.
They're rootin' and tootin', pardner
Has anyone ever made a .22 lever action with a side loading gate? Loading by unwinding the tube and pulling the spring out seems like it takes the fun out of it.
no, I think the cartridges are too short for it to work right
the colt lightning did have a weird like block that would slide out to let you load .22's from the frame, though its pump action
Henry
>Has anyone ever made a .22 lever action with a side loading gate?
https://www.cimarron-firearms.com/1866-sporting-rifle-22-lr-24-oct-barrel.html
>Loading by unwinding the tube and pulling the spring out seems like it takes the fun out of it.
I don't mind it, maybe consider getting one with a shorter magtube if you have short arms though
I just want an M1895 in 9.3x62. But noooo.
I wish the Savage 99 was still around. It looked so cool and it did not involve having the hassel of an external hammer.
Either move to the US, or move to part of the vast wilderness of your country and get whatever guns you want anyway
>move to the US
If it were that easy, there'd be no leafs on PrepHole lol
the only potential failure with lever action rifles are too long or too short of a cartridge, even then they have a pretty healthy tolerance. most people don’t recommend taking apart a model 94 because they are “complex” but I can detail strip one in 5 minutes or less, and get it back together in about the same time. I personally don’t own anything but lever guns and I have never found myself wanting something different
Just ordered a Henry .22 magnum with octagonal barrel from the US via an Oz supplier ..... AUD1200 ... we get totally ripped off in Australia
You will love it.
That’s a lot of koala bucks…
It's made of steel, there's no failure. It's as sturdy as a bolt action and a lot more fun. Before you buy one just do a little research to make sure there's no manufacturing problem going on. When Remington bought marlin they screwed up production for a few years.
>my only gripe is that the action looks reasonably complex, by which I mean, multiple potential points of failure compared to say a bolt action or pump action.
You should treat the guts of a lever action the same way you treat the lockwork of a revolver. Accept that it's not going to be easy to field strip, accept that if something breaks it's going to be a bad break, accept that you shouldn't be doing a full disassembly after every time you shoot, but most importantly accept that the rifle will be reliable for a long, long time before it's going to need any sort of serious maintenance.
The Marlin 336 is great that way. One screw to remove the lever, then you can just pull the bolt out the back. It's easier to strip and clean than a pump shotgun.
how do we feel about the win94
best compromise of all positive attributes of a lever action rifle. also Winchester always made the best and coolest things
Hard to beat a 94 in 30WCF
Swet pair.
dayum nice!
my .410 henry (pic related) is mighty fine, my blr is mighty fine, my 1894 .32spl with red dot is mighty fine. I would say overall that lever actions are mighty fine.
They are tons of fun and very handy. Strong recommend. The action is actually deceptively simple and I've never had any problems personally.
I think I want to see one with a double-stack p-90 style feeding mechanism on the bottom instead of the straight feeding that holds 60 rounds
Lever actions are great.
I'd like a golden boy in a big boy caliber. shame about them being so gosh darned pricey
You mean just a brass big boy?
Because i really wouldnt want just a scaled up goldenboy, they are plated potmetal. Big boys are actually brass.
what the fuck there's actually a gun called a big boy?? it looks pretty cool. I didn't know of this
Henry calls their pistol caliber rifles big boys for whatever reason
>enjoy poorly lit photo
I love straight grips. Nice quilt.
Also a tacticool version available called Big Boy X
What, no VFG? Fail.
There's only a small section of rail on the bottom right behind the sling stud that makes it awkward to put a VFG there. I'm planning on replacing the entire handguard to put an mlok handstop there eventually. The cool thing about the big boy x is how much you can customize or modify it
i was looking at a number of lever actions and noticed they were all smoothbore. is it common for them as opposed to being rifled? if so, why is that?
>why is that
For shot shells, .410 is common. The Marlin Garden Gun in .22lr has been on my list for yrs. You will not find one, if you do, buy it.
Thinking of getting rid of my Chiappa 92 and getting a Marlin 1895 CSBL as it makes using an optic easier.
The Chiappa runs fine 98% of the time, but shooting factory .357 caused it to loosen it's screws and its damaged the stock so that it wobbles even when tightened. Think I'll fix the stock then list it low enough that it makes a good plinker for someone.
yikes. how many rounds did that take? some fudds talk about 444 cracking stocks on Winchester 94s but haven’t had a problem with mine
No exact count but less than 1000. It was the barebones carbine with the unmarked ladder sights so it didn't rob me of that much. I've had my fun with it.
For a while I was using .357 that was rated for about 1275 fps out of a 20 inch barrel (according to manufacturer when I asked), but I started using stuff that was rated the same speed out of a 4 inch vented. Definitely felt a bit more stout but nothing nuclear.
This is lies. The 92 is way superior to the 73. Thats what people in this thread keep saying. You must be shooting it wrong.
It's a single screw that threads into the lower tang, like many leverguns. If the wood itself shrinks, then that screw is inadequate to hold the stock tightly.
Chiappa has been known to use wood that was perhaps not aged enough.
Chiappa straight up sucks, anything else is win-envy.
He says as he has never held, let alone owned one.
>win-envy
>posts a bunch of marlins
what did he mean by this
Get an sks.
some people don’t have to put up with garbage because they’re poor. take your savalot sniper somewhere else