You can whine all you want but the fact is Euro colonies were a bad idea and you guys just made your future big brother after shitting yourselves. Everyone wants to brag about the big global colonies but no one likes to talk about how those same actions led to the world wars and Europes sorry state today. You coulda stayed in your lane but you had to be special and now the new world is the ruler of the world.
euro colonies weren't a bad idea, merely shortsighted, and a little poorly executed.
desu, world wars are an accomplishment of power projection. the sino-japanese war didn't enter the european theater.
frankly the sorry state is because the euros were not greedy enough with the colonies - they forgot to colonize the rest of europe. if anyone - Philip, Louis XIV, Louis XVI or Napolean - actually successfully up-ended the "balance of power," then they'd probably still rule the world today.
>they forgot to colonize the rest of europe. if anyone - Philip, Louis XIV, Louis XVI or Napolean - actually successfully up-ended the "balance of power," then they'd probably still rule the world today.
what does this mean? My knowledge of European history post 1800 is a little hazy
the reason ww1 and ww2 devastated europe was because they were too evenly matched. french depopulation after ww1 was a direct result of human waves trying to break stalemated trench warfare. compare to ww2, when the western front of suffered a lot less than the eastern front because paris fell so quickly.
the european balance of power doctrine was shared by all great powers after the napoleanic wars, lookup "congress of europe." napolean couldn't conquer europe based on strength alone, and nobody afterwards had the will to fight. europe's conflicts remained unresolved, but colonies were softer military targets.
even after ww1, the treaty of versailles reaffirmed almost all terra antebellum except the ottomans and austria-hungary. prussia remained an unresolved problem.
after ww2, the anglos did not continue the war into russia like patton desired, and as you can see, that conflict remains unresolved through today.
TLDR there were many occasions when one country has a huge tech edge that theoretically would allow them to conquer the world (including europe with no take backs), but they either frick it up trying, or pussy out. conquering weak africa instead of strong europe is an example of pussying out.
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> 99 years of relative european peace is... Le bad actually!
Euros realised after 15 years of Napoleons moronation that world conquest aint all that when you can just have fun industrialising/colonizing.
It was not pussying out, it was an incredible wisdom amongst euros, wisdom gained by years of bloodshed, that allowed for the stability at home to become so dominant in the rest of the world. It is no coincedence that when they finally start duking it out again in the world wars they instantly lose much of that dominace... >Many occasions where one country could have won it all
Like fricking when? post one great power that could have beaten the others, and held on to those gains... Its fricking impossible, just ask france, germany or the soviets
Send the España class ships through the Magellan Strait and avoid Suez like the plague.
Mutts were outgunned at land at sea but the Spanish government fricked it up (as is tradition) leaving whole garrisons alone just for the sake of being moronic, and sending the fleet to fricking nowhere.
If anything saying that mutts won the war just because of being mutts isn't exactly wrong: the timing between Cuba and the Philipines was perfect and left the Spanish fleet (with some amazing pre dreadnoughts) idling in bumfrick nowhere
"The History of the Gatling Gun Detachment" by Lt John H Parker is available in the public domain, on gutenberg.org and similar sites. Parker took part in the Spanish American War himself. It is a really interesting and also entertaining book.
It's actually the opposite. By hoarding their gold (Spain placed laws forbidding the exporting of gold) Spain artificially depressed its economy massively increasing local inflation and slowing their own economic growth, The best course of action would have been to export the gold that they didn't natively need for minting or goldsmithing for goods and use those goods to further build up the domestic industry of their nation. Money is a spook, what matters is goods, and goods stop having value when you have too much of them. If someone offered you three new cars you would probably accept it, if you don't want them you could just sell them off, but if everyone had as many cars as they wanted of the quality they wanted those extra cars are worthless. Gold plate is no different, at best excess gold sits in a warehouse waiting for the government to run out of money so it can be used to purchase goods abroad when if you immediately spent that gold you could frontload on its value.
>inca silver not mexican gold >most of it went to fund wars with the hapsburgs and ottomans >the rest went to china >the artificial depression was in response to real inflation of the course of over a hundred years
yes, in hindsight they should have founded the "castille & aragon east india company" but if they won the war, then they would have still possesed VOC anyway.
Even though the Maine likely blew up from her own coal dust and magazines. The Spanish could have just sacrificed a couple cuban officers and some treasure to appease the Americans.
Nothing. It's literally impossible to beat America in a war. We have Providence on our side and are naturally superior by the grace of God, which is why America has never lost a war.
Been america
travel back in time and not abuse its colonies.
>travel back in time and not abuse its colonies.
>Be white.
>They could have not started it in the first place
>not sink the Maine
>Not trade all their Aztec gold for expensive European commodities.
You can whine all you want but the fact is Euro colonies were a bad idea and you guys just made your future big brother after shitting yourselves. Everyone wants to brag about the big global colonies but no one likes to talk about how those same actions led to the world wars and Europes sorry state today. You coulda stayed in your lane but you had to be special and now the new world is the ruler of the world.
euro colonies weren't a bad idea, merely shortsighted, and a little poorly executed.
desu, world wars are an accomplishment of power projection. the sino-japanese war didn't enter the european theater.
frankly the sorry state is because the euros were not greedy enough with the colonies - they forgot to colonize the rest of europe. if anyone - Philip, Louis XIV, Louis XVI or Napolean - actually successfully up-ended the "balance of power," then they'd probably still rule the world today.
>they forgot to colonize the rest of europe. if anyone - Philip, Louis XIV, Louis XVI or Napolean - actually successfully up-ended the "balance of power," then they'd probably still rule the world today.
what does this mean? My knowledge of European history post 1800 is a little hazy
just some french self-fellacio, nevermind it
the reason ww1 and ww2 devastated europe was because they were too evenly matched. french depopulation after ww1 was a direct result of human waves trying to break stalemated trench warfare. compare to ww2, when the western front of suffered a lot less than the eastern front because paris fell so quickly.
the european balance of power doctrine was shared by all great powers after the napoleanic wars, lookup "congress of europe." napolean couldn't conquer europe based on strength alone, and nobody afterwards had the will to fight. europe's conflicts remained unresolved, but colonies were softer military targets.
even after ww1, the treaty of versailles reaffirmed almost all terra antebellum except the ottomans and austria-hungary. prussia remained an unresolved problem.
after ww2, the anglos did not continue the war into russia like patton desired, and as you can see, that conflict remains unresolved through today.
TLDR there were many occasions when one country has a huge tech edge that theoretically would allow them to conquer the world (including europe with no take backs), but they either frick it up trying, or pussy out. conquering weak africa instead of strong europe is an example of pussying out.
> 99 years of relative european peace is... Le bad actually!
Euros realised after 15 years of Napoleons moronation that world conquest aint all that when you can just have fun industrialising/colonizing.
It was not pussying out, it was an incredible wisdom amongst euros, wisdom gained by years of bloodshed, that allowed for the stability at home to become so dominant in the rest of the world. It is no coincedence that when they finally start duking it out again in the world wars they instantly lose much of that dominace...
>Many occasions where one country could have won it all
Like fricking when? post one great power that could have beaten the others, and held on to those gains... Its fricking impossible, just ask france, germany or the soviets
Be white.
send a terminator back to prevent the birth of Teddy Roosevelt.
Need at least 3 T-800s for that
They could have not started it in the first place
They didn't start it, William Randolph Hearst did.
Send the España class ships through the Magellan Strait and avoid Suez like the plague.
Mutts were outgunned at land at sea but the Spanish government fricked it up (as is tradition) leaving whole garrisons alone just for the sake of being moronic, and sending the fleet to fricking nowhere.
If anything saying that mutts won the war just because of being mutts isn't exactly wrong: the timing between Cuba and the Philipines was perfect and left the Spanish fleet (with some amazing pre dreadnoughts) idling in bumfrick nowhere
Edit: the España class was built like almost a decade after the war, I was thinking about the Pelayo and the Carlos V
"The History of the Gatling Gun Detachment" by Lt John H Parker is available in the public domain, on gutenberg.org and similar sites. Parker took part in the Spanish American War himself. It is a really interesting and also entertaining book.
spoonfeed link pls
Be God fearing red blooded America
Manning Hotchkiss Gun
Sweeping Spanish deck clear
Manage to keep boner in trousers
Brrrrrtttttt before brrrrrrrtttttt wy00rppas cool
not sink the Maine
Not trade all their Aztec gold for expensive European commodities.
It's actually the opposite. By hoarding their gold (Spain placed laws forbidding the exporting of gold) Spain artificially depressed its economy massively increasing local inflation and slowing their own economic growth, The best course of action would have been to export the gold that they didn't natively need for minting or goldsmithing for goods and use those goods to further build up the domestic industry of their nation. Money is a spook, what matters is goods, and goods stop having value when you have too much of them. If someone offered you three new cars you would probably accept it, if you don't want them you could just sell them off, but if everyone had as many cars as they wanted of the quality they wanted those extra cars are worthless. Gold plate is no different, at best excess gold sits in a warehouse waiting for the government to run out of money so it can be used to purchase goods abroad when if you immediately spent that gold you could frontload on its value.
>inca silver not mexican gold
>most of it went to fund wars with the hapsburgs and ottomans
>the rest went to china
>the artificial depression was in response to real inflation of the course of over a hundred years
yes, in hindsight they should have founded the "castille & aragon east india company" but if they won the war, then they would have still possesed VOC anyway.
1. Become Britain's ally and build a strong army with their help
2. Take over Europe and wait a few years
3. Invade America
They lost at sea, so a better navy.
Sold us Cuba back in the 1850s.
Just imagine.
Delicious.
pre WWII political cartoons were so SOVLful
They were based.
>list of preferred creditors
frick, gun grabbers were a thing back then
Yeah, but you'll notice that the police are also a target.
Are you shocked? That time of American history was beyond full of moral shitflinging.
that's an english cartoon, who we now know to posess no freedom
>Anglomaniac dudes
They did win. We have Puerto Rico, dirty ass Spanish bastards take it back.
Even though the Maine likely blew up from her own coal dust and magazines. The Spanish could have just sacrificed a couple cuban officers and some treasure to appease the Americans.
there was no explosion dipshit. the newpapers comissioned an illustration by an artist who wasn't even there, and he drew fake smoke and fire.
The Maine did explode you vatnik.
Not blown up our ships and start the war
gassed more israelites
Nothing. It's literally impossible to beat America in a war. We have Providence on our side and are naturally superior by the grace of God, which is why America has never lost a war.
In the long term Spain won. America started a war to get the dregs of the last bastions of Spanish colonies
>Philippines (LEL)
>Guam (KEK)
>Puerto Rico (JUST)
>Cuba (the only thing they did right was let them go immediately)
If America started the war a century earlier they would have acquired South America and Mexico couldn't even beat Texans.