What can be improved about the M2?

Or... what would you suggest for a hypothetical M3?

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >he doesn't know

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's sad, really

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Dude I know the M3M and M3P exist.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Kind of embarrassing honestly…

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The only reason the M2 has lasted as long as it has is that all the replacements only offer incremental improvements over a design that has a massive amount of trained armorers for and all the spare parts in the universe. If money and production volume etc. weren't a consideration probably something in like .338 norma magnum with one of the cool machine gun forced airflow suppressors or something. The issue is that all the money you will dump into the replacements will always be less efficient than just making a better glide bomb or something.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >.338 norma
      Sick of this meme bullshit.
      None of these meme cartridges are in the same league as .50 BMG.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No one ever said it was the same as .50bmg. They are interested because of other advantages.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It’s kind of perfect for its intended role. Fires a big versatile bullet at an acceptable fire rate. It can frick a lot of stuff up or at the very least ruin someone’s day. You could argue to make it shoot a larger round but that’s why auto cannons like the bushmaster exist.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Maybe upgrade the ammo like we did with the M855A1 and M80A1

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How exactly would you "upgrade the ammo" when 50 cal has a dozen armor piercing, incendiary payloads to choose from as it is??

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Have EPR style rounds for starters. Most of the M2 role nowadays is anti-infantry, which is why the M33 ball round is the most used. You don't see SLAP or Raufoss getting used much (besides maybe in the Barrett)

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >airburst fragmentation .50 cal putting down sustained fire

            hot

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Programmable ammo for that. Technically speaking a 20 mm Vulcan rounds holds 0.4 oz of explosive. The same amount could fit into a properly designed 50 bmg bullet

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lighten some of it to get a higher rof and a heavier spring. Really they're perfectly fine as it is. Most of the complaints come from dudes stuck with older M2s or pansies complaining about the charging handle.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >lighten
      Doesn’t matter
      >high ROF
      already a thing for aircraft

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think he thought of something like 900 rpm at best instead of 600 rpm

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          900rpm is fricking terrible, that's what AA machine guns used, and they were all terrible at ground targets.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Lightened parts and a stronger spring would result in a higher rof than what was realistically capable when the M2 was designed. The only downside would be more people b***hing about the charging handle. I wasn't talking about slapping an ANM2 on a mount and calling it a day. And

        I think he thought of something like 900 rpm at best instead of 600 rpm

        is kind of correct, maybe not shoot for something in the 900 rpm range but a little lower, but still faster than 600 or 700 rpm.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They've already fixed all of the legacy issues. Pretty much the only way to make it better would be to find a way to make it easier to work the charging handle.

          What's with the charging handle?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            People b***h that it's too heavy tand awkward to pull.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              What sort of charging handle would make people stop?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There's nothing to fix to the charging handle, just women and weaklings who can't rack it

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The only downside would be more people b***hing about the charging handle. I

          They've already fixed all of the legacy issues. Pretty much the only way to make it better would be to find a way to make it easier to work the charging handle.

          >Pretty much the only way to make it better would be to find a way to make it easier to work the charging handle.

          People b***h that it's too heavy tand awkward to pull.

          Why do people constantly have to work the charging handle anyway? Always the same in, pulling the charging handle, pulling it again and still once again. What the frick? Is it malfunctions, operator error or what? Does the DShk do this?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Why do people constantly have to work the charging handle anyway?
            A lot of guns out on units are shot to shit, but there is a lot of operator error as well.
            Some people simply arent used to open bolt beltfed firearms, even if they had their basic familiarisation with the gun in training.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >open bolt beltfed firearms
              Excuse my moronation, this should obviously be closed bolt

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Thank you for the explanation.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If I remember right it's part of the manual of arms for when you first load it. Pull once to seat the round and link in the ready/feed position and then pull again to push it into the chamber. No idea of the DshK does this but it's just part of the procedure

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Thanks! That makes sense.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              M2 fires from an open bolt.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                hahahaha look everyone, he's never fired an M2!! Tell me, what is the bolt latch release for?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        bringing weight down always matters when you're talking about a global military that has to transport everything around by air

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Tell that to the army that is looking to replace the Bradley with something that weighs almost as much as the Abrams

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Make it as lightweight as an M249

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know maybe a M85 machine gun?

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Theres been dozens of attempts some actually good and perfectly capable of replacing it, but we already have literal millions of the frickers so nobody really wants to

    The XM806 was way shorter and ligther but it just wasnt enough

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They've already fixed all of the legacy issues. Pretty much the only way to make it better would be to find a way to make it easier to work the charging handle.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think airborne forces could benefit from a skeletonized titanium one with a fluted barrel. Its a pretty niche role, but I think the soviets were smart to give their infantry a heavy MG and auto grenade launcher that can practically move with platoons. All the parts of an M2 are collectively 120 pounds unloaded, that's a crazy amount of weight even divided among 4 guys in the weapons platoon, while the Kord and NSV are both half that and the whole AGS30 system weighs a fraction more than a single M240.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The AGS-30 sucks in other ways though. The 30mm grenades are kind of anemic and tend to just pepper people with tiny pieces of shrapnel that they don't even notice until later. You need a much more direct hit to frick someone up with an AGS-30 than you do a MK19 or HK GMG.
      t. medic that has found a lot of bits of 30mm shrapnel in dudes that were completely fine otherwise and didn't realize they had been hit.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Start with something like an NSV in .50 bmg and work from there

        That’s interesting because the 30mm grenades have 36 grams of explosive filler. (An m383 has 55 grams), which is only 1.5x as much)

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      For Airborne and other highly mobile forces, the .338 Norma Magnum machine guns (the GD LWMMG, the Sig MG 338, and most recently the Ohio Ordinance REAPR; the latter most being my favorite) are better options than trying to do an ultra light M2 variant. They are all already lighter than an M240, the feature better range and punch than .308, and I think .338NM is supposed to retain energy at maximum range better than .50 BMG.

      https://i.imgur.com/OcyW7fo.jpg

      Or... what would you suggest for a hypothetical M3?

      If I were trying to improve the M2, I would replace the barrel to allow for longer bullets. There are some high precision loadings of .50 BMG that feature bullets with longer ogives than standard .50 BMG, which allows the bullet to retain energy better, I think. Of course, this would also require modifications to the receiver to allow the longer bullets to feed. The cases are identical, so most of the parts should be identical and the gun should be backwards compatible to standard length ammo. While we're add it, I would also add a receiver extension over the top of barrel to host a laser and/or a large holographic sight.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Thats the thing, .338 cartridges and these modern machineguns that they go with arent a replacement for the M2, theyre far better suited to replacing the m240.
        50 BMG ammo is way too heavy, even the polymer cased versions, for use in a dismounted role, same reason why the KORD is a meme.
        Who gives a shit if your HMG is 1 man portable if he and his 2 ammo bearers cant carry enough ammunition to matter?

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    20mm smoothbore, polymer cased ammo

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      why not go with caseless ammo and even higher fire rate

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why are you obsessed with a high rate of fire?
        High ROF are shitty for this role, especially when youre talking about a weapon with ammo this heavy.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      PBX-based propellant to push rounds to 7000 - 10,000 fps?

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Accuracy, dual feed with changeable belt, internal recoil buffer so can be mounted without flex mount on vehicles, increased max pressure so can use ammo loaded extra hot.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STK_50MG

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A red dot sight and laser pointer
    Maybe a kettle ductaped to the side for hot drinks

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Turks already made 30x113 browning, which is pretty rad

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What can be improved about the M2?
    literally everything, it's a 100 year old design. The real question is whether or not the gov will give enough of a frick about your improvements to throw away all of their beat to shit ww2 production m2s

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Upgrayedd
    make lighter
    attach pistol brace and bi pod
    gib quick change barrel with fixed timing and headspacing (like an M2E2)
    re chamber to 13.2×99mm Hotchkiss Long

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How dare you! You are no gentleman, sirrah. No gentleman at all.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    laser range finder feeding into a muzzle-mounted antenna that programs variable-timed/proximity fuses on airburst ammunition. All in a separate module so if it breaks you can just take it off and fire normal ammo.

    The gun itself seems fine. Maybe do some modern materials engineering to make some parts lighter and stronger. Doesn't seem broken so no need to fix it.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      .50BMG doesn't have the shell mass to be an effective airburst shell. Lighter and dual feed are basically the best mods to make.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        man, i just wanna see the Elysium AK rounds but .50BMG

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That was the 25mm XM307 ACSW although I think the shells were programmed to airburst by a different method. Either way its the same basic concept. Original idea was to replace all the M2s and Mk.19s in ground use. It didn't happen, though I forget what the official reasons given for the cancellation were.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Some better composites or other metal alloy variations that maybe make it lighter and less prone to overheating. Would be cheaper to invest in figuring that out than any sort of actual M3 replacement

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What can be improved about the M2?
    the only way to improve an M2 is to add a second M2.

    and the only way to improve a dual mount M2 is to add 2 more.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    they did OP

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM312

    however the military was gay and cheap

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So Bohemia didn't just make that up for arms 3.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I can remember when all those old Military Channel shows like Future Weapons and Top Tens acted like it would be the next big thing. They did they same thing with that stupid corner shot that was just a Glock with a camera strapped to it.

        • 3 weeks ago
          robofucker

          >They did they same thing with that stupid corner shot that was just a Glock with a camera strapped to it.
          at the very least Corner Shot is actually used, though not the be-all and end-all those shows always made it seem.

          Bro that shit was in Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2 back in like 2007

          it was in both GRAWs

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Bro that shit was in Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2 back in like 2007

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      neat

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Copy the Kord

    It is way cooler, has a scope and a muzzle break.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    caseless ammo

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Caseless ammo

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Make it so that it doesn't need a wizard and 300 parts to be maintained, and make it able to mount optics and a flash suppressor.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The new space age looking MMG with AP ammo would probably do 80% of everything the M2 can now I would guess.

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >hypothetical M3
    do people not have google?

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    recoil operated fleshlight.

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    an actual pistol grip and trigger instead of that stupid thumb whatever it has
    optics rail

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The only people I've ever heard b***h about the spade grip layout were either trying to use the gun in a very unconventional way or morons who have never shot it. Why do you think every proposed replacement has used the same setup? Or how GPMGs like the M240 often use it when fitted to vehicles or helicopters.
      If you're thinking of the way Russian and Chinese HMGs using a pistol grip and stock have sometimes been marketed with people firing from the hip or using it with a bipod like a normal GPMG think about it for a minute. Yes you may be able to physically lug the gun around and use it like that but how much .50 caliber or 12.7mm ammunition do you think you could carry? As only one man you'd probably be better off with a Barrett M107 or something. Even with a team of guys it is pretty inefficient compared to other options like a GPMG. There is a reason these are not considered squad-level weapons. You rarely see them below company-level. And these days it's probably a good idea to have some sort of vehicle to work with in moving a HMG around instead of straight-leg infantry just walking everywhere.

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >84 lbs
    Make it slightly lighter and give it to soldiers on the ground. Make sure to roid them up so they can handle full auto at the hip.

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    More dual mounts with induvidual trigers, or dual feed system so you can feed two different ammo belts.

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm glad I got to frick with them for as long as I did.

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A1?

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We will be using the M2 to quell rebellion on Mars in 300 years, don't kid yourself. The first fragged alien will be killed by a .50 BMG from a space shuttle door gunner.

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nothing. Capellan mechs will still use it in the 3040's.

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >how would you change a perfect machine gun that hasn’t changed in nearly 100 years
    Vatnik thread

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Everything I don't like is a vatnik or jeet thread: a childs guide to browsing PrepHole

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