My based grandpa was using it for home defense until he died at 93. I wish I could rave about him without doxxing myself. Suffice to say he was a high ranking AF pilot and his proudest moment, in his own words, was the Berlin Airlift. Got to see his C-47 at an air show one time but most of the crew died by that point. Man was my hero.
>useful in the inter-war years but quickly replaced by shaped charge weapons
Imagine what trucks and 37mm-proof tanks armed solely with M2s with AP rounds would do to interwar and early war tanks
>it could probably hit a t72 hard enough for the welds to break and cause the tank to break into pieces
if a 105mm APDS round doesnt cause a T-72 to fall apart at the welds, what makes you think a 14.5mm round or a 20mm round would?
cute, i was just looking at a mossman 170. I've always wanted a bolt shotgun and now that I've gotten into trap, they make sense. Might get a hammerless break action like a Savage 220 though.
>and then get a .410 bolt action and integrally suppress it
there is already an ntw 20 in 20mm, its way to little for a tank, a lightly armored vehicle, lets a tigr or mrap, maybe could be shot with it but otherwise its bullshit, shaped charge launchers will not be trumped with a large bullet
The NTW20 was perfectly suitable for shooting the sorts of armored vehicles that can be found in Africa. The exception being the rare mbt from the Cold War still in service.
there is already an ntw 20 in 20mm, its way to little for a tank, a lightly armored vehicle, lets a tigr or mrap, maybe could be shot with it but otherwise its bullshit, shaped charge launchers will not be trumped with a large bullet
>what are your thoughts on anti tank rifles
useful in the inter-war years but quickly replaced by shaped charge weapons
>will they ever make a comeback?
nope
you couldnt penetrate any part of an MBT with kinetic energy alone from a weapon that you can carry by yourself
14.5mm tungsten rounds could defeat less well armored vehicles like IFVs, but then its not really an anti-tank weapon anymore
Russian 14mm is dogshit, and 20mm underperforms for it's size. You need the Steyr IWS 2000 which fires APFSDS darts
at over 4,700fps. It could theoretically even be scaled upwards substantially before it became non "man portable"
If not that, you could go with the necked down 20mm case that fires a 50 caliber projectile. Even with a heavy bullet it can hit mach 3, but with a standard AP round it would be able to get much faster.
If that's not your style you can try the 14.9 SOP, another necked down 20mm round that can supposedly push 1600 grains over mach 3, which suggests to me if anything the target shooting loads for the 50-20mm could be loaded hotter (from what I've read of similar super-50s, 4k+ is achievable)
Necked down autocannons and 50 caliber meme wildcats are a class of weapon I like to call the "suck it 950JDJ fans" family.
This, they've evolved from Anti-tank to Anti-materiel. Yes, they may not punch holes through a modern tank as the Tank Gewher did in its time. But unlike the T-Gewher, doesn't weigh 41lbs, isn't a single-shot bolt action, and doesn't take unobtanium ammo that only elite military squads recieved. The M107A1, arguably the best bang for your buck in the current world market for an American buyer, can punch through about anything up to an APC, and a couple of companies even made a damn good supressor for the thing.
Maybe if we're calling up armored bobcats and bulldozers (tanks) in some kinda Boogaloo scenario. And let's not rule out rail guns.
Pic related I want to get a ULR but I wanna get a costume stock made for so it will more resemble the tank gewer any u doods know how I accomplish this ?
Maybe in the next century if we make good enough progress to get railguns or laser weaponry.
>inb4 that’ll never happen
Imagine telling somebody 20 years ago that we would have working gauss rifle prototypes available to civilians. These kind of things tend to snowball once they get going. The EV craze is also pushing our battery tech forward by leaps and bounds, which is one of the main bottlenecks to energy weapons.
anti tank like the ptrs / ptrd/ Super Ghewehr M1918. prolly not.
we do have antimateriel rifles for taking out light armor, antenas, detonating unexploded shells/IEDs, BUUUSTING sandbags .stopping a car engine dead ecc. any hardy target short of a properly armored vehicle.
also 20mm were tested but found fiew extra applications
No because anti tank rifles are heavy as fuck. Rocket propelled shaped charges will just do way more penetration/damage while also being way lighter. This meta was already figured out by ww2.
>30mm takes out MBTs >454 superior to .308 and 5.56 >Protagonist can throw rocks past the speed of sound anyway, and punch through objects immune to 30mm rounds so he's just using guns as a joke
>The round's armor-defeating properties were not through penetration, i.e. by punching the core through the armor like a typical penetrator, but through the impact of the bullet flattening against the plate, transferring kinetic energy to the metal. The result was that the bullet would cause spalling on the interior of the armor plate, ideally ejecting an approximately 20mm diameter fragment from the interior surface of the armour at high speed, which would then ricochet around the interior, hopefully killing crew and/or damaging equipment or engines
>what are your thoughts on anti tank rifles
I think they're sick. I'm particularly fond of the AMR-5075, even if it's technically an antimateriel rifle and not a true antitank rifle. >will they ever make a comeback?
Absolutely not, no.
anti-material rifle is for knocking out M113s, parked jets, cars, etc.
anything that isnt armored but wouldnt be stopped by rifle fire
an anti-tank rifle is designed specifically to punch through heavy armor, and are now obsolete because the heaviest man-portable rounds available still wouldnt defeat a tank even from the side
there isnt really a mechanical difference, the PTRD was chambered in 14.5mm which is what some AMRs use
but you generally see AMRs more in the .50cal range, since thats good enough to destroy a car engine, whereas some AT rifles could veer into 20mm territory
Anti-tank rifles won't make a comeback unless if we make some absolutely breakthroughs in propellants or shit related to railguns. I do fully appreciate the retardedly massive rifles like the South African 20mm ones or the Ukrainian 14.5mm rifles.
>unless if we make some absolutely breakthroughs in propellants or shit related to railguns.
What about either of those things makes you think that solves the problem of recoil?
If hypothetically anti-tank rifles had enough penetration to destroy IFV's and MBT's it wouldn't be a huge deal to just have a tripod for one. Of course the best case scenario would be one where it had zero recoil but unless if you have some counter-balance recoil mitigation or something else equally as retarded it's hard to solve.
>unless if we make some absolutely breakthroughs in propellants or shit related to railguns.
What about either of those things makes you think that solves the problem of recoil?
AT rifles are memes. Even in WW2 they were by and large memes. Those who used them regularly basically ended up using them for anti-material purposes or for tracking a vehicle and hoping it got abandoned. The American's did take some Boys AT Rifles, strengthened the action , slap a sight on them and used double charged .50BMG ammo as a long range sniper rifle in Korea. Wasn't a serious thing, but they did try it. It was apparently quite a distance it could fire.
Other than that, no. AT rifles are basically just anti-material rifles now. They are useful for hitting unarmoured things like cars, transports and maybe thin APC's, plus patrol boats and stuff... but again, you can just use an anti-material rifle for that.
If any propellants and shit get improved, you're just going to apply that to other systems. AT rifles are essentially dead outside of niche uses that are covered by other weapons.
>what are your thoughts on anti tank rifles will they ever make a comeback?
Why should they? I mean that would require armored vehicles somehow going back to sorta paper-thin RHA armor which ain't gonna happen.
Plus: At this point throwaway-ATGMs are cheap and plenty. So no, absolutely NO, AT rifles will never make a comeback.
On a sidenote: If you had any clue about weaponry you would have been able to answer your own dumb question you fucking moron.
no
Looks so much like my dad's old bolt action Mossberg 20 ga with the two round magazine. Yes, two rounds, lol.
>doesn't understand hunting laws
I have one of these, it was my grandpa's deer gun. Mossberg 185-db. still have all the chokes.
I got one too except it's a Westernfield with a polychoke from gramps.
Boltaction shotguns are the ultimate SOVL
My based grandpa was using it for home defense until he died at 93. I wish I could rave about him without doxxing myself. Suffice to say he was a high ranking AF pilot and his proudest moment, in his own words, was the Berlin Airlift. Got to see his C-47 at an air show one time but most of the crew died by that point. Man was my hero.
>what are your thoughts on anti tank rifles
useful in the inter-war years but quickly replaced by shaped charge weapons
>will they ever make a comeback?
nope
you couldnt penetrate any part of an MBT with kinetic energy alone from a weapon that you can carry by yourself
14.5mm tungsten rounds could defeat less well armored vehicles like IFVs, but then its not really an anti-tank weapon anymore
Maybe when we get hand held railguns…
Railguns generate a little less recoil, but not none.
>useful in the inter-war years but quickly replaced by shaped charge weapons
Imagine what trucks and 37mm-proof tanks armed solely with M2s with AP rounds would do to interwar and early war tanks
Even if it couldn’t penetrate, it could probably hit a t72 hard enough for the welds to break and cause the tank to break into pieces
>it could probably hit a t72 hard enough for the welds to break and cause the tank to break into pieces
if a 105mm APDS round doesnt cause a T-72 to fall apart at the welds, what makes you think a 14.5mm round or a 20mm round would?
Theyre cute!
proof
cute, i was just looking at a mossman 170. I've always wanted a bolt shotgun and now that I've gotten into trap, they make sense. Might get a hammerless break action like a Savage 220 though.
>and then get a .410 bolt action and integrally suppress it
They have, they're called anti-material rifles like the Barrett and the TAC-50.
For actually destroying tanks, they have man-portable anti-tank rockets like the Javelin and the NLAW which are the successor.
>50 cal
you need to think bigger
there is already an ntw 20 in 20mm, its way to little for a tank, a lightly armored vehicle, lets a tigr or mrap, maybe could be shot with it but otherwise its bullshit, shaped charge launchers will not be trumped with a large bullet
The NTW20 was perfectly suitable for shooting the sorts of armored vehicles that can be found in Africa. The exception being the rare mbt from the Cold War still in service.
Russian 14mm is dogshit, and 20mm underperforms for it's size. You need the Steyr IWS 2000 which fires APFSDS darts
at over 4,700fps. It could theoretically even be scaled upwards substantially before it became non "man portable"
If not that, you could go with the necked down 20mm case that fires a 50 caliber projectile. Even with a heavy bullet it can hit mach 3, but with a standard AP round it would be able to get much faster.
If that's not your style you can try the 14.9 SOP, another necked down 20mm round that can supposedly push 1600 grains over mach 3, which suggests to me if anything the target shooting loads for the 50-20mm could be loaded hotter (from what I've read of similar super-50s, 4k+ is achievable)
Necked down autocannons and 50 caliber meme wildcats are a class of weapon I like to call the "suck it 950JDJ fans" family.
fuck .50, put an even smaller penetrator in a sabot, thing will be going light speed
>4,700fps
holy shit
This, they've evolved from Anti-tank to Anti-materiel. Yes, they may not punch holes through a modern tank as the Tank Gewher did in its time. But unlike the T-Gewher, doesn't weigh 41lbs, isn't a single-shot bolt action, and doesn't take unobtanium ammo that only elite military squads recieved. The M107A1, arguably the best bang for your buck in the current world market for an American buyer, can punch through about anything up to an APC, and a couple of companies even made a damn good supressor for the thing.
They still live on through anti-material rifles.
This guy gets it
>anti tank rifles will they ever make a comeback?
Yes they are. The name is a misnomer though. More like anti-material.
Maybe if we're calling up armored bobcats and bulldozers (tanks) in some kinda Boogaloo scenario. And let's not rule out rail guns.
Pic related I want to get a ULR but I wanna get a costume stock made for so it will more resemble the tank gewer any u doods know how I accomplish this ?
cool goonie hat
I own one of these
Post pics
me too
Maybe in the next century if we make good enough progress to get railguns or laser weaponry.
>inb4 that’ll never happen
Imagine telling somebody 20 years ago that we would have working gauss rifle prototypes available to civilians. These kind of things tend to snowball once they get going. The EV craze is also pushing our battery tech forward by leaps and bounds, which is one of the main bottlenecks to energy weapons.
You're aware that Railguns do still recoil, yes?
And so do anti-tank rifles and anti-materiel rifles. That's why they have bipods.
anti tank like the ptrs / ptrd/ Super Ghewehr M1918. prolly not.
we do have antimateriel rifles for taking out light armor, antenas, detonating unexploded shells/IEDs, BUUUSTING sandbags .stopping a car engine dead ecc. any hardy target short of a properly armored vehicle.
also 20mm were tested but found fiew extra applications
No because anti tank rifles are heavy as fuck. Rocket propelled shaped charges will just do way more penetration/damage while also being way lighter. This meta was already figured out by ww2.
Hellsing is so gay.
Wrong, have a you.
>30mm takes out MBTs
>454 superior to .308 and 5.56
>Protagonist can throw rocks past the speed of sound anyway, and punch through objects immune to 30mm rounds so he's just using guns as a joke
On PrepHole, this means it's trash.
>giving any value to whatever the fuck is said on PrepHole
You're on PrepHole you crossboarding raiding fag.
ur mom's a gay
>The round's armor-defeating properties were not through penetration, i.e. by punching the core through the armor like a typical penetrator, but through the impact of the bullet flattening against the plate, transferring kinetic energy to the metal. The result was that the bullet would cause spalling on the interior of the armor plate, ideally ejecting an approximately 20mm diameter fragment from the interior surface of the armour at high speed, which would then ricochet around the interior, hopefully killing crew and/or damaging equipment or engines
>what are your thoughts on anti tank rifles
I think they're sick. I'm particularly fond of the AMR-5075, even if it's technically an antimateriel rifle and not a true antitank rifle.
>will they ever make a comeback?
Absolutely not, no.
>even if it's technically an antimateriel rifle and not a true antitank rifle.
What is the difference even at this point?
anti-material rifle is for knocking out M113s, parked jets, cars, etc.
anything that isnt armored but wouldnt be stopped by rifle fire
an anti-tank rifle is designed specifically to punch through heavy armor, and are now obsolete because the heaviest man-portable rounds available still wouldnt defeat a tank even from the side
there isnt really a mechanical difference, the PTRD was chambered in 14.5mm which is what some AMRs use
but you generally see AMRs more in the .50cal range, since thats good enough to destroy a car engine, whereas some AT rifles could veer into 20mm territory
Anti-tank rifles won't make a comeback unless if we make some absolutely breakthroughs in propellants or shit related to railguns. I do fully appreciate the retardedly massive rifles like the South African 20mm ones or the Ukrainian 14.5mm rifles.
>unless if we make some absolutely breakthroughs in propellants or shit related to railguns.
What about either of those things makes you think that solves the problem of recoil?
If hypothetically anti-tank rifles had enough penetration to destroy IFV's and MBT's it wouldn't be a huge deal to just have a tripod for one. Of course the best case scenario would be one where it had zero recoil but unless if you have some counter-balance recoil mitigation or something else equally as retarded it's hard to solve.
Towed at railguns would be cool
Want a Solothurn And a Colt Gatling gun some day...
AT rifles are memes. Even in WW2 they were by and large memes. Those who used them regularly basically ended up using them for anti-material purposes or for tracking a vehicle and hoping it got abandoned. The American's did take some Boys AT Rifles, strengthened the action , slap a sight on them and used double charged .50BMG ammo as a long range sniper rifle in Korea. Wasn't a serious thing, but they did try it. It was apparently quite a distance it could fire.
Other than that, no. AT rifles are basically just anti-material rifles now. They are useful for hitting unarmoured things like cars, transports and maybe thin APC's, plus patrol boats and stuff... but again, you can just use an anti-material rifle for that.
If any propellants and shit get improved, you're just going to apply that to other systems. AT rifles are essentially dead outside of niche uses that are covered by other weapons.
https://youtube.com/shorts/4anqC-v7k1E?si=d2n1kx1CHLsupsb_
No, they were obsolete by 1940.
If you count 20x42mm guns then they might have a future
Kek. Before I zoomed in, I’m like “20x428?!?!”
>what are your thoughts on anti tank rifles will they ever make a comeback?
Why should they? I mean that would require armored vehicles somehow going back to sorta paper-thin RHA armor which ain't gonna happen.
Plus: At this point throwaway-ATGMs are cheap and plenty. So no, absolutely NO, AT rifles will never make a comeback.
On a sidenote: If you had any clue about weaponry you would have been able to answer your own dumb question you fucking moron.