Don't really have one. It's unfortunate that a lot of war novels, especially fictional ones, are poorly written. Tom Clancy is probably the least bad of many fictional military writers, and he still has weird shit in his books like cuckold arcs and sidestories that don't add much to the main arc.
Pic rel is something I enjoyed. He's shockingly honest and coherent.
>David Bellavia
I met him a few times while I was in The Old Guard, he was really fucking cool guy. Fuck, now I'm remembering all of the cool ceremonies I did.
Me too fren. Way better detail than I was expecting tbh.
Only thing I seriously disliked about Red Storm Rising is the whole reason behind the war. Soviets are facing a severe shortage of oil and by-products due to a terrorist attack, so they immediately decide to go full retard on the West and completely deplete whatever critical reserves they might have been able to hold on to? I know there's a whole chapter where they go over the reasoning, and it does make sense that inaction would have led to severe weaknesses that NATO would eventually exploit.
But then again, as I wrote this, I realized that maybe the realism stems from the fact that IRL russians actually are this retarded, thus justifying their decision-making process in the book. Gotta hand it to Clancy, he was a wise man.
That's been the consensus this past year. Clancy has been proven right after all the shit his off the wall stories got because of just how retarded the Russians have proven themselves to be.
To be fair tho, the Soviets somehow managing to invade Saudi Arabia while half of their forces launches a diversionary attack on NATO, was also a massive stretch.
>reason behind the war
I was hesitant to start because I knew a vague plot outline and I figured it would be a Kickstart contrivance, but I really enjoyed the detail given by the Petroleum Minister as to exactly why they were fugged, and given recent Russian behavior it is plausible that they could think that they would be able to limit the continental war to just Germany.
>Only thing I seriously disliked about Red Storm Rising is the whole reason behind the war. Soviets are facing a severe shortage of oil and by-products due to a terrorist attack, so they immediately decide to go full retard on the West and completely deplete whatever critical reserves they might have been able to hold on to?
I mean, that's what the Germans did.
Read this in the early months of the war thanks to me stumbling on the audiobook posted on youtube. To watch an actual soviet invasion (albeit 100x even more retarded than the novel) real time that matched Clancy's description of the soviet army was just surreal.
>Gotta hand it to Clancy, he was a wise man.
Let's not forget in pic rel he had a guy fly a hijacked airliner into a large building. > years before 9/11
Kill Anything That Moves: The Real American War in Vietnam
Real eye opener on how brutal we treated the Vietnamese and how brutal the war was in general.
I started reading Red Storm Rising but then I found out I'm mentally retarded and can't keep track of so many characters, specially when it comes to the Russians and their names all sounding the same to me.
>Tom Clancy's Icelandic preggo fetish roadtrip adventure.
It's weird how much that whole thing stood out to me as a 12 year old first reading it way back when.
Iceland in RSR gave us some pretty stout literary "kino," from missile massacres to British Paras to Marine landings (Soviet and then American), but it'll always be wrapped up with a masterfully autisitc boomer's preggo rape savior fetish.
Even Tarantino would roll his eyes in amusement.
>Tom Clancy's Icelandic preggo fetish roadtrip adventure.
It's weird how much that whole thing stood out to me as a 12 year old first reading it way back when.
Iceland in RSR gave us some pretty stout literary "kino," from missile massacres to British Paras to Marine landings (Soviet and then American), but it'll always be wrapped up with a masterfully autisitc boomer's preggo rape savior fetish.
Even Tarantino would roll his eyes in amusement.
>Tom Clancy's Icelandic preggo fetish roadtrip adventure
they only part of RSR that annoys me. whenever i re-read it i skip almost every part of Toland's plot.
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I do too
Although I admit I kinda see where ol' Tom is coming from...
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Lol for me the boring part is Iceland, with Michael D. Edwards "Beagle" intel gathering and shit.
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yeah i mispoke. Toland was the based intel guy. edwards was the cuck with the preggo fetish.
> Icelandic preggo fetish roadtrip adventure.
Based
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[...] >Tom Clancy's Icelandic preggo fetish roadtrip adventure
they only part of RSR that annoys me. whenever i re-read it i skip almost every part of Toland's plot.
>that part where they are being aimed at by a Hind but that is secondary to the MC having a hard on because he realised that the preggo chick isn't wearing a bra
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>Shit, shit. We’re going to get murderized by Russians >Better cop a feel.
Was Mike /our guy/?
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I do too
Although I admit I kinda see where ol' Tom is coming from...
https://i.imgur.com/YGde1Vu.jpg
[...] >that part where they are being aimed at by a Hind but that is secondary to the MC having a hard on because he realised that the preggo chick isn't wearing a bra
>Slowly, carefully, Vigdis moved the hand in which she held the fish. She used
two fingers to grab Mike's hand at her waist, moving it up and around until it
rested on her left breast. Then she held the fish high above her head.
>"My father loves to fish," the senior lieutenant said, manipulating the flight
controls to Hover.
"Shit on the fish," the gunner snapped back. "I want to catch one of those.
Look where that young bastard has his hand!"
>Vidgis waved back. They stood
there as it fiew off. Their hands came down, and her left arm held his tight
against her. Edwards had not realized that Vigdis didn't wear a bra. He was
afraid to move his hand, afraid to appear to make an advance. Why had she
done that? To help fool the Russians—to reassure him, or herself?
omg are you me?
I thought the Icelandic commander and the European commander were the same guy. And kept wondering how he kept teleporting between fronts. And why he did not GTFO out of Iceland when he could.
Boring pick but Alistair Maclean is like literary comfort food for me and this is the one that started it all for me.
omg are you me?
I thought the Icelandic commander and the European commander were the same guy. And kept wondering how he kept teleporting between fronts. And why he did not GTFO out of Iceland when he could.
Avoid chink novels like the plague, the names are one thing but there are endless amounts of one off characters or characters that you read about for like half a page and they return 200 pages later.
+1 for this recommendation. Finished reading it less than a week before Russia invaded last February and it was fascinating seeing the parallels presented in the book and what happened in reality. >logistics issues >paratroopers being left to die behind enemy lines >soldiers gunning down civilians for fun >faking videos for propaganda purposes >written in 1989 btw
Motherfucking Sharpe series.
Some of the most readable books I've ever come across, and it's fun to see in what way Sharpe is gonna get fucked over in each one
Chronological. Things get a bit fucky with the timeline with the transition from India to Spain due to the order the books were written, but it mostly works well.
Forest Anon recommended Alone at Dawn and Storm of Steel back before his Instagram was deleted. I haven't read them but he's usually always on the money when it comes to good books
RSR is one of my fav, other book I liked (not in any specific order) are Rogue Forces and Flight of the Old Dog by Dale Brown, Team Yankee by Harold Coyle, Red Phoenix, Red Army by Ralph Peters, All Sven Hassel books, nor really war books but I liked The Remaining by DJ Molles, The Cobra by Frederick Forsyth
I didn't love Team Yankee as much as I thought I would. It's not bad but it's not the best written, which I maybe should have expected since it was written by a soldier and not a seasoned author.
That being said, even though the characterization is barebones (especially for the Soviets, to it dint even need to be included), the idea of how nukes are used was interesting. And it's the most realistic usage I could see, one chance to end it after one use before things fall off the edge into the abyss.
At the risk of being highfalutin, I liked the War Nerd Iliad; an accessible prose adaptation. Lots of comic violence, especially when Athena smacks down Ares.
Other goodies are Jean Larteguy's The Centurions and George Macdonald Fraser's Flashman series.
>With Earth in the path of the rapacious Posleen, the Galactic Federation offers help to the backward humans -- for a price. You can protect yourself from your enemies, but God save you from your allies!
Not really war but early Clancy, Rainbow Six aged like fine wine with the whole bioterror plot. So many good action scenes too, if that upcoming movie draws anything from the book, I want to see the amusement park.
>Robert Ludlum
Only in small doses. If you read two of his books back-to-back, you realize they are written algorithmically: > a guy > wrong place, wrong time; or mistaken identity; or dumb luck > stumbles into something odd > guy has special talents that come in handy > peel back the onion, conspiracy deepens > that character you met early in the book? dead by now > a woman appears > at first, she's super standoffish > guy and woman hook up > one of them has access to lots of money > more conspiracy > more narrow escapes > already hopped multiple continents > 500 pages of narrative, then "deadline!" > book ends in 20 pages
Same shit, just new values for $guy, $woman, $conspiracy
Movies and tv series as follow the same formula with some added twists (because it just work, most of the time) like the most recent TV series "Condor" or movies like The Fugitive, Collateral, Con Air, No country for old men, Die Hard, Under Siege (I'm just the Cook), etc...
Just got done reading OPLAN FULDA: World War III
Really feels like a spiritual successor to Team Yankee and Red Storm rising, i thoroughly enjoyed it and highly recommend it
The most intense account of warfare ever put to the page. I promise you will never forget reading pic rel. I would also highly recommend, in no particular order;
The Boer War - Winston Churchill
A Soldier's Place - Will R. Bird
The Things They Carried - Tim O' Brien
The Red Badge of Courage - Stephan Crane
What didn't you like about it? It's been awhile since I've read it, I really only remember the part about them taking cover from artillery fire in the villages shit pit.
Has anyone read those Russian books with the crazy covers? Shit like direct invasions of the US or time travel fuckery. I want to know if the text is as amusing as the covers.
Don't really have one. It's unfortunate that a lot of war novels, especially fictional ones, are poorly written. Tom Clancy is probably the least bad of many fictional military writers, and he still has weird shit in his books like cuckold arcs and sidestories that don't add much to the main arc.
Pic rel is something I enjoyed. He's shockingly honest and coherent.
>David Bellavia
I met him a few times while I was in The Old Guard, he was really fucking cool guy. Fuck, now I'm remembering all of the cool ceremonies I did.
Yes
You made this thread just to share that meme.
But I approve of the meme.
And I have also misspelled the world "eyebrow" I'm a retard.
I'm reading this right now, I can't put it down. It's thrilling.
Red Storm Rising, I mean. Not pic related.
Me too fren. Way better detail than I was expecting tbh.
Only thing I seriously disliked about Red Storm Rising is the whole reason behind the war. Soviets are facing a severe shortage of oil and by-products due to a terrorist attack, so they immediately decide to go full retard on the West and completely deplete whatever critical reserves they might have been able to hold on to? I know there's a whole chapter where they go over the reasoning, and it does make sense that inaction would have led to severe weaknesses that NATO would eventually exploit.
But then again, as I wrote this, I realized that maybe the realism stems from the fact that IRL russians actually are this retarded, thus justifying their decision-making process in the book. Gotta hand it to Clancy, he was a wise man.
That's been the consensus this past year. Clancy has been proven right after all the shit his off the wall stories got because of just how retarded the Russians have proven themselves to be.
To be fair tho, the Soviets somehow managing to invade Saudi Arabia while half of their forces launches a diversionary attack on NATO, was also a massive stretch.
EUROPE WAS A FEINT
THE CAULDRON IS CLOSING ON THE SAUDIS..
MMMM ROASTED GOATIES*~~
>reason behind the war
I was hesitant to start because I knew a vague plot outline and I figured it would be a Kickstart contrivance, but I really enjoyed the detail given by the Petroleum Minister as to exactly why they were fugged, and given recent Russian behavior it is plausible that they could think that they would be able to limit the continental war to just Germany.
>Only thing I seriously disliked about Red Storm Rising is the whole reason behind the war. Soviets are facing a severe shortage of oil and by-products due to a terrorist attack, so they immediately decide to go full retard on the West and completely deplete whatever critical reserves they might have been able to hold on to?
I mean, that's what the Germans did.
Not Germany, Japan actually.
Read this in the early months of the war thanks to me stumbling on the audiobook posted on youtube. To watch an actual soviet invasion (albeit 100x even more retarded than the novel) real time that matched Clancy's description of the soviet army was just surreal.
>Gotta hand it to Clancy, he was a wise man.
Let's not forget in pic rel he had a guy fly a hijacked airliner into a large building.
> years before 9/11
Team Yankee and Red Phoenix were good, but I was a dumb kid when I read them.
Kill Anything That Moves: The Real American War in Vietnam
Real eye opener on how brutal we treated the Vietnamese and how brutal the war was in general.
>pic
Would be funnier with Leonid Brezhnev instead of the sub
Holy shit... Ukraine would surrender if he showed off the strength he had to raise those eyebrows.
Not really novel but Alone at Dawn was good same as the two books from a Marine Raider Michael Golembesky.
>Alone at Dawn
That book is messed up. They really did leave him to die.
It was a good book. Plus it shows some insight into the unit that is rarely talked about.
another gay retard thread
I started reading Red Storm Rising but then I found out I'm mentally retarded and can't keep track of so many characters, specially when it comes to the Russians and their names all sounding the same to me.
Try the audiobook, it's pretty good and well narrated.
Michael Pritchard is a good narrator imo
This guy's whole channel is just making DCS movies of the book.
That dude's a fucking legend, "Demons" and "Nordic Hammer" are my favorites so he's done so far but they're all incredible.
My favourite chapter is probably dance of the vampires, with frisbees of Dreamland coming in at a close second.
I'm just now re-reading it and it's a very solid book that's just interspersed with Tom Clancy's Icelandic preggo fetish roadtrip adventure.
>Tom Clancy's Icelandic preggo fetish roadtrip adventure.
It's weird how much that whole thing stood out to me as a 12 year old first reading it way back when.
Iceland in RSR gave us some pretty stout literary "kino," from missile massacres to British Paras to Marine landings (Soviet and then American), but it'll always be wrapped up with a masterfully autisitc boomer's preggo rape savior fetish.
Even Tarantino would roll his eyes in amusement.
>Tom Clancy's Icelandic preggo fetish roadtrip adventure
they only part of RSR that annoys me. whenever i re-read it i skip almost every part of Toland's plot.
I do too
Although I admit I kinda see where ol' Tom is coming from...
Lol for me the boring part is Iceland, with Michael D. Edwards "Beagle" intel gathering and shit.
yeah i mispoke. Toland was the based intel guy. edwards was the cuck with the preggo fetish.
Yeah Toland is the NSA anal chad
> Icelandic preggo fetish roadtrip adventure.
Based
>that part where they are being aimed at by a Hind but that is secondary to the MC having a hard on because he realised that the preggo chick isn't wearing a bra
>Shit, shit. We’re going to get murderized by Russians
>Better cop a feel.
Was Mike /our guy/?
>Slowly, carefully, Vigdis moved the hand in which she held the fish. She used
two fingers to grab Mike's hand at her waist, moving it up and around until it
rested on her left breast. Then she held the fish high above her head.
>"My father loves to fish," the senior lieutenant said, manipulating the flight
controls to Hover.
"Shit on the fish," the gunner snapped back. "I want to catch one of those.
Look where that young bastard has his hand!"
>Vidgis waved back. They stood
there as it fiew off. Their hands came down, and her left arm held his tight
against her. Edwards had not realized that Vigdis didn't wear a bra. He was
afraid to move his hand, afraid to appear to make an advance. Why had she
done that? To help fool the Russians—to reassure him, or herself?
clancy preggo booba fetishist confirmed
omg are you me?
I thought the Icelandic commander and the European commander were the same guy. And kept wondering how he kept teleporting between fronts. And why he did not GTFO out of Iceland when he could.
Boring pick but Alistair Maclean is like literary comfort food for me and this is the one that started it all for me.
Avoid chink novels like the plague, the names are one thing but there are endless amounts of one off characters or characters that you read about for like half a page and they return 200 pages later.
Move over, Mr. Clancy.
+1 for this recommendation. Finished reading it less than a week before Russia invaded last February and it was fascinating seeing the parallels presented in the book and what happened in reality.
>logistics issues
>paratroopers being left to die behind enemy lines
>soldiers gunning down civilians for fun
>faking videos for propaganda purposes
>written in 1989 btw
I liked the book but It lacks Clancy's technoautism when describing all the various pieces of military gear.
Warlord Chronicles and Last kingdom are great too
Motherfucking Sharpe series.
Some of the most readable books I've ever come across, and it's fun to see in what way Sharpe is gonna get fucked over in each one
I need to finish Sharpe. I read the first 20 in the first six months of last year and then stopped for some reason, despite loving the series.
I personally just read whichever one's description I like the most.
Did you read it in release order or chronological.
Chronological. Things get a bit fucky with the timeline with the transition from India to Spain due to the order the books were written, but it mostly works well.
>Things get a bit fucky with the timeline with the transition from India to Spain
Yeah, I just skipped the entire pirate adventure/Trafalgar/skullfucking the Dutch part and went straight to the peninsular war bit.
Although I personally like the India parts the most.
The 13th Valley, John Del Vecchio. Set in the A Shau valley during Operation Texas Star in 1970.
Out of all the fictional WW3 scenarios, I really liked Cauldron. France & Germany strong-arming Europe and going against the US & UK.
Forest Anon recommended Alone at Dawn and Storm of Steel back before his Instagram was deleted. I haven't read them but he's usually always on the money when it comes to good books
RSR is one of my fav, other book I liked (not in any specific order) are Rogue Forces and Flight of the Old Dog by Dale Brown, Team Yankee by Harold Coyle, Red Phoenix, Red Army by Ralph Peters, All Sven Hassel books, nor really war books but I liked The Remaining by DJ Molles, The Cobra by Frederick Forsyth
I didn't love Team Yankee as much as I thought I would. It's not bad but it's not the best written, which I maybe should have expected since it was written by a soldier and not a seasoned author.
That being said, even though the characterization is barebones (especially for the Soviets, to it dint even need to be included), the idea of how nukes are used was interesting. And it's the most realistic usage I could see, one chance to end it after one use before things fall off the edge into the abyss.
Try The 10,000 by him, I think it's much better than TY
I have it in my reading book list, still I haven't pick it up yet for some reason.
* Red Phoenix author is Larry Bond
And a lot of his other shit is great too
At the risk of being highfalutin, I liked the War Nerd Iliad; an accessible prose adaptation. Lots of comic violence, especially when Athena smacks down Ares.
Other goodies are Jean Larteguy's The Centurions and George Macdonald Fraser's Flashman series.
Not sure about novels, but the Bible has a lot of war in it and teaches you a lot about war.
Particularly the Old Testament. Like David and Samson.
>eyewbrow
>With Earth in the path of the rapacious Posleen, the Galactic Federation offers help to the backward humans -- for a price. You can protect yourself from your enemies, but God save you from your allies!
Did the gloves come off?
Easy
WTF is an eyewbrow?
Yeah, I misspelled it fuck...please understand I'm a special need person.
For me its Homage to Catalonia.
Just got my copy Monday, once I finish The Iran-Iraq War it's next up
Not really war but early Clancy, Rainbow Six aged like fine wine with the whole bioterror plot. So many good action scenes too, if that upcoming movie draws anything from the book, I want to see the amusement park.
Also not specifically war related, Robert Ludlum early Jason Bourne and The Matarese Circle are really good books
the first borne book is sublime
>Robert Ludlum
Only in small doses. If you read two of his books back-to-back, you realize they are written algorithmically:
> a guy
> wrong place, wrong time; or mistaken identity; or dumb luck
> stumbles into something odd
> guy has special talents that come in handy
> peel back the onion, conspiracy deepens
> that character you met early in the book? dead by now
> a woman appears
> at first, she's super standoffish
> guy and woman hook up
> one of them has access to lots of money
> more conspiracy
> more narrow escapes
> already hopped multiple continents
> 500 pages of narrative, then "deadline!"
> book ends in 20 pages
Same shit, just new values for $guy, $woman, $conspiracy
Movies and tv series as follow the same formula with some added twists (because it just work, most of the time) like the most recent TV series "Condor" or movies like The Fugitive, Collateral, Con Air, No country for old men, Die Hard, Under Siege (I'm just the Cook), etc...
Forgot to add "One Soldier's War" by Arkady Babchenko, tells the memoir of a young Russian soldier’s experience in the Chechen wars.
Just got done reading OPLAN FULDA: World War III
Really feels like a spiritual successor to Team Yankee and Red Storm rising, i thoroughly enjoyed it and highly recommend it
>OPLAN FULDA: World War III
do you have the paperback or pdf/epub version, do you mind to share it? 🙂
I couldn't find the epub/pdf version, i bought a physical copy of the book instead.
30 bucks for it was pricy but I enjoyed the read
Usually I buy my books at the Library Genesis but this book was currently out of stock.
The most intense account of warfare ever put to the page. I promise you will never forget reading pic rel. I would also highly recommend, in no particular order;
The Boer War - Winston Churchill
A Soldier's Place - Will R. Bird
The Things They Carried - Tim O' Brien
The Red Badge of Courage - Stephan Crane
>The Things They Carried
What didn't you like about it? It's been awhile since I've read it, I really only remember the part about them taking cover from artillery fire in the villages shit pit.
Has anyone read those Russian books with the crazy covers? Shit like direct invasions of the US or time travel fuckery. I want to know if the text is as amusing as the covers.
No one mentioned the Shaara's???
Seriously?
Sci-Fi wars?
Starship troopers
Forever War
Most stuff by Scalzi