What are your favorite guns of the Fallout? Posted on March 8, 2023 by PrepHole Contributor What are your favorite guns of the Fallout / Stalker / Metro series? Why do you love them?
If you replace the NCR weapons with cowboy guns you could justify the Legion conflict a lot better and also it would be fucking awesome aesthetically.
Don't half the NCR-aligned NPCs use cowboy guns of some flavor?
Yes. Here's what I'm suggesting (I've said it before in these threads)
The central theme of the NCR is bloat, inefficiency, lowest common denominator, etc, in their gear, their personnel, their policies, etc. Everything has to be standardized but this has resulted in poorer quality per unit.
Have them using black powder weaponry, like cowboy era weapons. Standard rifle: .45 Colt lever action. Standard pistol: .45 Colt revolver. Rangers use something like smokeless 454 Casull loaded super hot, you have someone mention that they heard some recruit got ahold of the wrong ammo, crammed it in there, and blew up his gun, that's very NCR. Have the NCR snipers use .45-120 single shots that are overbuilt to use ridiculous smokeless loads when available. Boone is now Mathew Quigley
Everything is based around making the minimum work everywhere and having better equipment be able to make use of inferior pieces.
Give the legion simple Muskets or handgonne or fire lances or what have you as common weapons, with slingers or other primitive weapons as auxiliary support, skirmishers etc. Maybe Ed calls his handgonnes "Pilum" and makes them use some kind of similar strategy of firing a volley then charging into melee. Have them making actually bullet resistant armor and shields out of old bullshit, which would be a lot more reasonable if the enemy was mosly using black powder carbines.
Legion's theme is "bizarrely primitive but robust due to decentralized logistics". Everyone can make a sling, every blacksmith can make a muzzle loader, every legion camp collects their piss to make black powder, etc.
Still keep elite infantry using elite weapons, as exceptions.
Not a bad concept
>The central theme of the NCR is bloat, inefficiency, lowest common denominator, etc, in their gear, their personnel, their policies, etc. Everything has to be standardized but this has resulted in poorer quality per unit.
This makes zero sense considering M16s are specifically depicted as standard issue. An entirely more logical reason is that:
>black powder = easier to make in a post apocalyptic world, this is objective fact with it being made for the better part of a millennium before smokeless powder
>the New Vegas area, being mostly cut off from industry that had been rebuilt in the NCR before the NCR started expanding, settled on black powder guns because it's what they could feed until trade with the NCR started
>NCR guys using black powder guns was simply done for logistics reasons, since it would allow them to leverage local ammo supplies, and the game specifically depicts all logistics and trade using pack animals for transport
>This makes zero sense considering M16s are specifically depicted as standard issue. An entirely more logical reason is that:
Yes, the presence of the 5.56 rifles does disrupt the theming of New Vegas and the entire set up of the story.
The low-key theme of New Vegas is the end of the "Wild West" of the Mojave, either at the hands of the NCR, the Legion, or Mr. House. The Yes Man ending is the only one without it, but even that is heavily dependent on how you deal with the factions.
The actual chad move is to spec Unarmed.
Would be neat to see blackpowder bottlenecked autoloader rounds foul up the more advanced guns quickly, and fail to punch through armor, as well as smokeless powder loads blow up your cowbo gats after a few shots.
Maybe put a prewar replica western gun manufacturer in the industrial area ruins to explain the post-war proliferation, a non-gun runners local manufacturer that nigged the machinery and schematics that currently cranks out crude copies from scavenged scrap. Then have the Gun Runners and Van Graffs look really fucking luxurious by comparison. Really punish players for being poor, and reward them for being wealthy
And have more of NCR's problems be morale-based than anything else, like Forlorn Hope but almost everywhere.
Early anti-ncr quests would be selling conscripts drugs and trying to get them to frag their officers.
Have Rangers be like the SOF guys were in Nam, in contact every time they go out, stacking bodies by the hundred, and making zero difference, while actively fighting the NCR regular army of incompetents, career climbers, and dopeheads to stay on-mission
I like this aproach, it gives the player a reason to not leave the gold bars in the dead money dlc other than memes and diogenes
Make it cost them dearly, some way, to take them all.
You got the gold all home, but it left you permanently weakened (lowers specials), or maybe everybody hates you for some reason now, and followers or faction reputations are sacrificed, or House now sees you as a threat since you can buy all of his allies, his path is closed to you and/or he is hunting you.
or just pull a 'The Inheritance' and have people line up around the block to scam, beg or straight up just rob you of your gold.
>Would be neat to see blackpowder bottlenecked autoloader rounds foul up the more advanced guns quickly
Those rounds just flat out wouldn't be made. Black powder 5.56 would basically end up being .22 magnum tier, would foul up the barrel to the point of shit accuracy within a mag, wouldn't even cycle the gun without modification, and would quickly foul up the gun to the point of not functioning unless you plugged the gas port because the AR action would be blowing fouling directly into the bolt/bolt carrier.
>Really punish players for being poor, and reward them for being wealthy
It would have been a really cool way to balance the cowboy guns vs modern guns in the same setting. Also having magazines be a separate component that cost money and could be lost or damaged.
>Those rounds just flat out wouldn't be made
Leave that up to the player, these would be cool to see.
There is a manual action .223 in vanilla, maybe there are weapons made locally to take advantage of the NCR's more advanced firearms' components. Brass garden gnomes scouring old battlefields for brass to sell for handloading for more primitive firearms in the same chambering.
A fouling AR is still better than no gun at all. Maybe you find a Service Rifle early game and all you have are blackpowder reload recipes for the varmint rifle/ equivalent, you sold the manual action, but this is better than trying to use a hangun at range, the fouling is a 'later problem', you need a rifle right now.
>.45 Colt for everything
That's not going to cut it for most things out in the wasteland. Geckos and radscorps can take multiple rounds of .44 Special before going down and that's the closest thing to .45 Colt in game. Also, having regular troops use blackpowder and Rangers use smokeless would be kinda dumb. Once your society has smokeless they're going to switch to it for everything.
You dont need to leave damage balanced the same
No, I suppose you don't but at that point I'd rather make up a cartridge instead. Personally, I think .38-55 would be a better choice and then have pistols and their ammunition be private purchases.
Sure, I dont see why it has to be .45 Colt, there is an entire world of whacky black powder straight wall cartriges to draw from. I have a scanned UMC catalog from the early 1890s that blows my mind every time I open it.
Of course it could be anything, but 45 is the most cowboy cartridge and they active chose to crank the throttle on the cowboy imagery. Also using 45 colt as your "NCR standard issue" round means you can use the same lead for .454 ranger guns and .45-120 sniper rifles, and you can shoot 45 colt out of your Ranger hand cannon and lever action if you need to. It means you get to have fun dialogue about private jimmy blowing his hand off loading Ranger Fudd's extra Hispanicy handloads into his service weapon by mistake.
Also I think I should point out you're talking to at least two people before there's any confusion.
>Once your society has smokeless they're going to switch to it for everything
Oops! Your overland supply lines through the Mojave Desert were nuked so much the continental plate may have split a little. Better start working with what you can make right here and right now before being hacked to pieces. Never mind what the black ops guys buying you time on the other side of the river can get flown in just for them
NTA, but how much ammo would realistically be available and not decayed after 200 years, taking into account the massive amount of weapons and ammo in America (both in civilian and military hands) and the massively reduced population after the Great war?
Only the routes through the Divide were destroyed, not every single one of them. The NCR can run their trains, trucks, and brahmin caravans through other routes. It'll take longer, but they can do it. Also, the Gun Runners are in Vegas right now and are making gunpowder.
Setting up an entirely new plant to make blackpowder cartridges would be retarded.
One guy is suggesting Smokeless is made by smalltime chemists in Vegas, and the other is suggesting it's made in the NCR but cant get here, just to be clear. In the second idea presumably the ammo manufacturers of Vegas would be dealing in more primitive propellants, and thus the NCR would have to source inferior ammunition from the locals. It's not a bad idea it's just not the same as mine, and I know you disagree with both, just want to make sure that's all clear.
Yeah, I figure I was talking to 2 different people.
I gotta say, I kinda wish every board had post IDs.
>That's not going to cut it for most things out in the wasteland.
That's the entire point. Animals and scrap armor being a serious problem is something *baked into* the premise of the game. The weapons should support that presupposition not undermine it.
>Also, having regular troops use blackpowder and Rangers use smokeless would be kinda dumb. Once your society has smokeless they're going to switch to it for everything.
Not if you've already got the production and stockpiles and ~~*(businessmen*~~) built around black powder. Being a lumbering, slow to adapt corrupt behemoth is the entire point of the NCR. Small batches of more advanced propellants being made by Mormons, isolationist schizos, and Vegas tinkerers with eight fingers is not their tempo.
The Rangers are extremely minuscule compared to the size of the NCR military, and them operating closer to Vegas where they can buy small batches because of good relations with the various schizos, lets a variation in arms make a lot of sense.
Ok, your first point is a good one and I can't argue that.
Your second one I can though. The Gun Runners are the primary suppliers of guns and ammo to the NCR and they have every reason to want to make smokeless over blackpowder. They like guns for their own sake and are always trying to get more performance out of them. They also sell to civilians and civilians are always going to pick smokeless over blackpowder. Also, the ~~*Brahmin barons*~~ wield way more political power than anyone else and they're going to want their herds defended with the latest and greatest weapons rather than ancient blackpowder stuff. I'm just not seeing it. If what you're saying had been the case, you would have seen it in real life. Instead, everyone immediately switched to smokeless almost as soon as it came out.
Consider that the first breach loading metalic cartridge rifle was invented in the 1600s. Did all those kings and barons just not care about not being murdered and impoverished? Hell, look at China, which literally threw away guns and the most powerful crossbows on the planet at one point in it's history over court bullshit.
The Brahimin Barons would probably *own* all of the black powder production facilities. Herd animals pissing on straw mats was the major way that Black powder was even produced in the olden days, and they're the ones with the herd animals. They're going to give up their gorillion dollar industry and chokehold over the military for what... Someone somewhere says the bullets can shoot better? Why do they need to shoot better? What wars have we lost? What you're worried about savages on the ass end of the empire? Just shoot them more, buy more black powder, buy more long guns, did I mention my nephew owns the company that makes the 45-120 brass?
This makes a lot of sense, add some frumentari in talks with some baron to "relocate" some caravans and "lose" ncr shipments and push againt modernization of ncr military equipment
I think that in the real world the civilian market tended to have access to innovations in firearms first with the military belatedly following up. You'd see something like a Brahmin Baron lobbying hard as he could for the NCR military to keep using black powder while every single one of his guards is using smokeless.
>I think that in the real world the civilian market tended to have access to innovations in firearms first with the military belatedly following up.
Not necessarily. Sure you'll see small scale stuff here and there, but big high risk stuff like Samuel Colt bringing the first mass produced revolvers to market, smokeless powder, and the recent push for hybrid cases that can handle much higher pressures than traditional cases with the US NGSW program (assuming it goes somewhere) all started with military funding.
>Why yes I carry a laser pistol for self defense but I hardly see how that's relevant to the discussion at hand.
shut up + no one cared the first time
Usually I get three or four new people that like the idea and average two who don't.
I liek the mp5 because despite being 60 years old still looks like a sci-fi gun
Why the Service Rifle of course.
Also I always get this mod that adds some nice variety to NCR Troopers https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/52721
Then I get alternate start and just larp as an NCR grunt all day
Good taste. Any other mods you'd reccomend? I love project nevada, it makes combat much more fluid and fun
I never got much into New Vegas modding to be honest, aside from some fan patches and QoL stuff. I can definitely recommend NMCs texture pack for graphics. But I guess in no particular order I found these in my DL history and remember liking them:
https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/36432 (there are a few other mods that add population to different areas, like NPCs travel or Populated Casinos)
https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/39509 (very important)
https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/37908 works great with darker nights mods
https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/64623 (adds neat extra details to the world which change depending on which quests you do)
Lastly https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/50182 is what I use to play pretend as an NCR trooper. I occasionally spawn in a small squad that I "get assigned to" and then go out doing missions with them. Also found this r*ddit post through google where one comment lays out a neat progression for how you could lay out an NCR playthrough, I always like taking hints from that https://www.reddit.com/r/fnv/comments/8k94u2/how_to_roleplay_a_ncr_trooper/
>issuing a concript army that fights in a desert the worst possible rifle
>hidden subtext of the NCR Army being equipped with substandard equipment
A bunch of sodomities with lawn mower blades and football pads beating guys with rifles starts to make a lot more sense when those rifles are jamming left right and center.
the rifle makes sense when NCR isn't even patrolling shit just hanging out in air conditioned airport
>XM15 was selected by the Air Force for this very purpose
Shit you right.
The original NCR Army rocked out pre war Combat Armor so my fan lore is they also rocked the R91 (the wood stocked CETME/G3/HK33 rifle) until they wore them out and had to replace them.
They put forth the FN-FAL, and while beloved by the NCR Rangers and Border Patrol (for 20 rounds of RFN on tap to deal with animals or druggies) but when issued to a test platoon of regular Army they had non stop problems. The NCR Department of War rejects the rifle and the Gun Runners do their own investigation. Turns out that the NCR test platoon cranked the gas setting way too high because they believed that it would make the gun more powerful (it kicks harder so it must hit harder!) and used the magazines to open Nuka Cola bottles causing damage to them. The first problem was politically uncomfortable for the NCR because the Army was one of the few ways tribals could elevate themselves out of poverty and were a sizeable voting block. I took historical anecdotes of the Rhodesian War of finding AK's with their sights cranked to 1000M because the Africans believed it would shoot harder and the Israeli Army concripts using their FAL mags to open soda bottles.
>Type 93 (Chinese Assault Rifle)
Put forward by the Shi Collective the Type 93 excelled in every test, being reliable and easy to train on. However being the rifle that the PLA used against the US and being the least accurate out of the rifles made it unpopular with the NCR Infantry Board.
Vault City's R91 clone the V91 was accurate, reliable, and familiar and beloved by the Infantry Board, but there was a massive problem. Only Vault City had the raw industrial output to produce the number of rifles required by the growing NCR Army and the NCR was very hesitant to entrust a separate entity with it's sole supply of rifles, and Vault City demanded exorbitant prices for each rifle.
Doesn't it have a dust cover?
>even with dust cover
You can read all about the problems the M16/M4 had with dust in Iraq and Afghanistan.
>inb4 inrange bullshit
Their "tests" are rigged.
>Their "tests" are rigged.
am interested in this, do you have proof?
>only their tests does the AR15 do well
>decades of after action reports
>numerous scientific reliability tests done by a fuck ton of national militaries
Anon both the Taiwanese and South Koreans had M16's for their armies and dropped it for piston guns (Type-65) and (K2) rifles respectively.
The Australian tests where they pitted the Steyr AUG against the M16 are also enlightening.
>Hey can we have a license to make that M16
Gee whiz I wonder why a country would opt to manufacture something else in country. The Insas must have been a good weapon according to your logic
>hey let's go through the extensive costs to tool up to make a new weapon that will require a new logistics and manual of arms
>ever using the M16
Pretty easy to infer that you implied that if country opts to build in house it must be better than whatever they previously had. The reason those countries did it was because they couldn't secure licensing or at least favorable licensing terms.
It's virtually a 1:1 copy of a AR15
>zoomies don't know about it
It's a shame, because it's a fantastic operating system.
Look up a breakdown video, it's a HK416 nearly 40 years ahead of time, and a better M16.
>flip up night sights
>retaining screw instead of a d-ring
>chamfered bolt carrier so no carrier tilt
the korean k2 which is based on the ar18 is really cool and ive always wanted one.
>You can read all about the problems the M16/M4 had with dust in Iraq and Afghanistan.
i could see there being problems with sand in the action. still a great rifle and amongst the best in the world.
>inb4 inrange bullshit
>Their "tests" are rigged.
oooook now youre just coping and seething lol.
>a YouTube channel shilling products
>military trials, decades of combat experience
you said they were rigged, as if they specifically did some tricks to fool the audience. which is dishonest. You could have just said military trials have showed other problems with the AR (due to having much longer testing and sample size). also can you reference me some of those trials and testing data? id love to learn how the AR failed to learn its shortcomings. No system is perfect but its so dumb how people have it out for the AR specifically as if other rifles couldn't fail in the same way.
>sources M16 Ichord Report
You can find PDF's of this easy.
>Australian Defense Force AUG trials
Same, there are PDF's you can find.
>US Army Individual Carbine Program
Or known as the M4 dust test.
The Marines straight up pulling some WW2 German bureaucratic bullshit to get better rifles because Colt threw a bitch fit.
Ah yes the dust test where the retards in charge counted partial bursts as failures showing the complete lack of understanding of how the burst cam works.
>Colt fucking engineers
>not knowing how their rifle works
I believe it.
>the worst possible rifle
how is an m16 copy the worst possible rifle in this setting?
>weapon that requires complex manufacturing
>piss weak round
>requires very clean burning ammo and constant cleaning
5.56 is ok for shooting humans, but those are lightly armored or not cranked out on drugs, not to mention all the fucked up wildlife, rogue robots, Super Mutants, ghouls, and other shit.
There's a reason the AR18 was created.
>5.56 is ok for shooting humans, but those are lightly armored or not cranked out on drugs, not to mention all the fucked up wildlife, rogue robots, Super Mutants, ghouls, and other shit.
i thought the fallout rifle was firing 308? its been a while since i played new vegas.
True an ar pattern would be more complex to make than others i guess but if you already have the means to make them with lathes then why not.
>he doesn't know
Show me the part of the animal you're shooting stronger than 6mm of BN450-550 steel lol
Deathclaw skulls. Mirelurk carapace.
I don't believe you, but even if I did that's what AP is for.
Show me the 5.56 round that will take down a radscorpion, deathclaw, or yao guai in a single shot. You wouldn't use 5.56 on a hippo or rhino, so you sure as hell aren't going to use it on any of those critters either. Even a full mag may not down one in time.
>inb4 WDM Bell
6mm AR500 plates will bounce .308, which you suggested as your big boy Fallout animal killer gun, retard.
Nope, not him.
My recommendation is, at minimum, something like .45-70, 9.3x62, or perhaps .35 Whelen.
.308, like most .30 cals, fucking sucks and if I'm in a wasteland situation then I'll be damned if I'm going to be stuck with sub optimal NATO bullshit.
>My recommendation is, at minimum, something like .45-70, 9.3x62, or perhaps .35 Whelen.
Would any of these penetrate a 6mm hardened steel plate?
Bro I don't fucking know, what the fuck does that have to do with anything? They'd all put down any critter I would come across in the wastes and that's what I care about.
>Bro I don't fucking know, what the fuck does that have to do with anything?
>5.56 is OK for unarmored humans, but not Fallout WILDLIFE or GHOULS, thats why we have .308!!!
>"5.56 punches through 6mm steel plates"
>AR500 is BAD though!
>"6mm of BN450-550 steel is stronger than any animal's skull"
>No it wont kill a Radscorpion deathclaw or Yaoguai! They're too strong! You need 45-70!!
>"45-70 wouldn't penetrate a 6mm hardened steel plate"
>WHAT DOES THAT MATTER!?!?!?
Retard, anything with bones that would resist 5.56 would laugh off 45-70 until the sun explodes.
is BAD though!
There again, that wasn't me. I don't like .308 and I don't know or care about what AR500 will or won't do.
Again, point me to the 5.56 cartridge that will one shot drop something like a rhino or hippo because that's the type of game we're talking about here. I have no doubt it'll penetrate, but what is necessary here is both penetration AND energy.
Where's the part of a Hippo's skull that's stronger than AR500 plates?
Tell me, have you ever hunted before?
Pic related was a record setting grizzly shot with 22lr. Every shot went straight through it's skull.
Here's a video of cattle being dropped consistently with a 22lr
Animal's heads are not bulletproof.
I already said not to bring up WDM Bell and you did it anyways. Listen to me closely.
YOU CAN'T SHOOT THAT GOOD
You can't. I know you can't. I can't. OP can't. No one in this thread can.
>oh but one time I...
You're a fucking retard and you don't even understand why.
that was done by a tiny senior citizen with a 22long, not even long rifle. there is no animal with a bullet proof skull.
Yeah, I've already read about it years ago.
Would you go out and do it though?
i wouldn't since i only carry a knife in the bush. i try to leave the bears alone.
one of my cousins used to poach mouse with his 22and dropped one grizzly with it while sitting in atree. another cousin used to kill bison with his 22 magnum.
I'll bet they did tell you that.
Seen the skulls and ate the moose meat.
First cousin got very soundly beaten for the bear.
Butchers routinely use 22lr and magnum to drop cattle and bison. The skulls are not bullet proof.
These are the guys I kept running into at work. Belt knife and 3-pound sledge handy since no guns allowed.
man the amount of meat you get off a moose could feed a family for quite a while
Have an old government cookbook that said the average family used ~12 moose a year.
Larger families and probably feeding their dogs as well. We never ate more than two.
Anon, that was a 29 grain bullet at 1240 FPS. Why wouldn't a 55 grain bullet at 3250 FPS do the deed with ease on any wildlife New Vegas has to offer? Only reason it doesn't work like that in game, is because it's a game, and it needs to be balanced so that there's actually a reason to use all the guns they're giving you the option to use.
Ok retards, have fun hunting with 5.7 or whatever the fuck you use.
>durrrr death claw too POWERFUL for 5.56 u need sumfin REAL STRONG like a 44 MAGNUMB!!!
lol get fucked
Fuck that's how I cleared out the quarry on the way to New Vegas.
Varmintslayer and crates of surplus ammo. Relied on the crits to take them down.
He probably does think .44 magnum is actually significantly more powerful, rather than realizing people go with revolvers like that for bear defense because they don't want to deal with the weight and bulk of a long gun (and even then that's overkill given the extremely high percent of successful stops with service pistol calibers to the point where you need to be doing something stupid to fail).
You're real embarrassed you thought the bear kill was Bell, aren't you?
Nope, I just know you're too retarded to understand what I'm talking about when I first brought up Bell. Every mouthbreathing retard like you either brings him up or brings up a story similar to him and then you'll start spouting off about shot placement for the rest of the thread.
The real reason you're seething is because I'm daring to imply that energy is actually an important factor in ballistics (see the greentexted portion of
for Exhibit A), but it the truth is that it actually does play a factor.
So again, go out with your .22 short and hunt polar bears and whales and whatever other bullshit you're going to tell me you've definitely hunted and have fun. You're literally too stupid to understand what I'm talking about.
Polar bears were traditionally hunted with the .22 Hornet.
>Every mouthbreathing retard like you either brings him up or brings up a story similar to him
>Dammit everyone stop bringing up Bell he's an exception!
>NO DONT BRING UP OTHER EXAMPLES!!!
>STOP BEING RIGHT AAAUAUAUAGH
lol you stupid moron.
>So again, go out with your .22 short and hunt polar bears and whales
I like how this retard has to keep increasing the exaggeration because he's so ass blasted that 22lr has penetrated more bull skulls than any other round on the planet.
Deathclaws are not actually that thick so I'm not sure what you think the trouble would be. They're not as thick as Hippos, for example. If you think 45-70 would penetrate a Deathclaw, then obviously 5.56 would do a hell of a number on them, whether it hit them in the chest or the head, it wouldn't really matter. At full velocity the 5.56 projectile would do significant damage to the creature's internal structures, and any bones struck would likely shatter. Even armor penetrating ammunition would be likely to shed it's jacket as fragments, and the fact that it would destroy any bone it hit goes without saying. I've got a small folder of exit wound pictures on Elk and deer if you want to see. One moose too but you cant actually see the wound from the picture so I figure you just wouldn't believe it.
>I already said not to bring up WDM Bell and you did it anyways
No I didnt you illiterate fuck, not that you pissing and shitting yourself about it would stop me. That wasnt bell that was an eskimo Grandma what the fuck would Bell have been doing hunting bears with a 22lr? Fucking idiot.
>YOU CAN'T SHOOT THAT GOOD
How good, this good?
You're right that's impossible.
>You can't. I know you can't. I can't. OP can't. No one in this thread can.
You cant... hit a huge animal in the head? Why not? It's a big fucking target.
the 9 odd shots don't really say much, why did they have to shoot it so many times if the headshot was effective?
She dropped it with the first shot then walked up and put the rest in to keep it from getting back up. Wasn't taking any chances.
>Wasn't taking any chances.
What chances? A .22 to the head will always immediately kill 100% of the time according to everyone here.
You truly are braindead. Truly.
Don't say much? The skull has holes in it man. Where the fuck do you think the bullet went?
all about shot placement my guy
This. In game you can take out nearly anything with 1-2 shots if you have the right perks.
marksman carbine, grunt, entomologist, sneak attack
Only available to the eldritch abomination known as CHARNAME.
Elephant skin is mighty thick, unless you fire at weak spots or/and have no double rifle for something along the lines of.505 Gibbs.
Wouldn't mind hunting Death Claws with .450 Rigby
>unironic max brooks posting
Bastard from metro is so fucking kino. Especially when it’s kitted out, straight up bullet hose.
For me it's Fisto
>gobi rifle or Christine’s rifle
this and the pistol are my go to guns every single playthrough
The virgin holdout weapons build versus the chad just go into every casino and murder everything with a minigun and grenade launcher
there is a time and place for both a scalpel and a skid loader anon.
The anti-materiel rifle with explosive rounds is one of my favorite guns, just turning anything smaller than a deathclaw into pink mist from half a mile away. Survivalist rifle is a great general purpose weapon, and Vance's 9mm smg is a great close-quarters weapon.
Cowboy loadouts can also be fucking great, in my last playthrough I managed to use an upgraded cowboy repeater well into mid-game, and replaced it with the medicine stick around lvl 30
i enjoy the single shot shotty and SAA the most
vanilla fags wouldn’t understand
Hunting rifle. It catches the spirit of the retro America, it fits the task of being a reliable weapon to take down both humans and animals, it's the closest to "A boy and his dog" kind of gun as we can get, and it's just good.
My first center fire rifle was a CMP Garand my Dad and I restored together when I was a kid. Ever since, I've loved the idea of wandering post-apoc America with it on my shoulder. This Machine in FNV hits that feeling just right.
That reminds me I need to buy some more en bloc clips and ammo.
I really liked the customised Laser Rifle, yeah it wasn't the best but it had a great scope and had a fast fire rate. And more importantly it was cool
Revolver in metro
Suppressed Nagant revolver in patched stalker
It’s unbreakable, stops average mutants, and can shoot bandits in the face from the bushes
Mosin Nagant and whatever shotgun can do slugs for fighting soldiers
I really like the Bozar. It's got that chunky sorta industrial look a lot of US cold war experimental rifles/MGs had like pic related. It's ugly in the right ways.
I really wish that bethesda would've just copied shit like this instead of pulling a 'fully semiautomatic' and creating whatever the fuck the "assault rifle" was supposed to be
They went full gigaretard with the
>EVERYTHING IS LE WACKY 1950'S
art direction, but this somehow translated into making half of the weapons look like ones that were obsolete by the end of WWI because lolretro. Don't even get me started on that abomination of a 'tank'.
ar16 hnnnggg so sexy
is that based on the fg42?
ITT:Brainlets who know nothing about chemistry
You are more likely to make smokeless powder in the desert than black powder, especially when you have fuck all carbon in the desert, while making nitrate-based powder is more effective. Given the amount of chems being made in and around Vegas, having black powder be made there with no sulphur either it's just stupid.
sulfur is optional.
>what is Vault 19
Only one guy was suggesting the Black Powder was what they were making in the Desert, the others were saying black powder is what people brought to the desert, where they made smokeless.
>people are more likely to make something that only reached the market due to significant government investment, then took years more to be viable for most people on the commercial market, than they are to make something that was first manufactured about 1000 years ago and is well suited for pre industrial manufacture by hand
Fallout isn't a "start over from scratch" sort of post-apoc setting. A ton of industry is leftover from pre-War, knowledge bases were preserved by multiple groups, and governments continued to exist (albeit in the small scale).
>Fallout isn't a "start over from scratch" sort of post-apoc setting.
It literally has to be if the setting is going to even vaguely resemble itself.
Even going back as far as the original games that isn't true.
Anon, you do know that Fallout doesn't take place in the real world.
>Even going back as far as the original games that isn't true.
And if Fallout had ended there that would be an argument.
What the fuck point are you even trying to argue? Fallout as a setting has always had continuity of knowledge and industry in various forms.
Fallout as a setting has always been about the furthering breakdown of all pre-war structures as those few who have any continuity with the past use up the last scraps of irreplaceable resources there wont be the capacity to manufacture again for hundreds of years.
It's Lord Humongus with the last five rounds of laser ammo fighting robot mad max over who will steer the future of the illiterate cave men to come after them. By 3 and NV sticks and stones have become commonplace weapons and a crate full of loaded SMGs can turn shit eating savages into an existential threat.
Which is why leaving Ashur in charge of the Pitt so he can continue with the resurrection the steel mills of the city should absolutely be the canon ending to that FO3 expansion.
>Fallout as a setting has always been about the furthering breakdown of all pre-war structures as those few who have any continuity with the past use up the last scraps of irreplaceable resources there wont be the capacity to manufacture again for hundreds of years.
Not the anon you're replying to but this is correct. What makes NV so good is that you have 4 distinctly forms of civilization being advanced by different parties and you, the Courier, are the one who ultimately gets to choose which prevails.
That said, a deeper cut may be that civilization is fleeting due to man's innate nature and that the cycle of build / destroy / rebuild is inescapable.
>What makes NV so good is that you have 4 distinctly forms of civilization being advanced by different parties and you, the Courier, are the one who ultimately gets to choose which prevails.
NTA but I've always said that the best ending for new Vegas was House, with minimal damage to most of the other factions, diplomacy with Lanius, engineering peace with the Kings, etc.
Expansion wont solve the Legions problems and it will only worsen the problems of the NCR. I don't really give a shit about House's claims he can build an escalator to the moon, but he'll run Vegas better than any alternative. If you basically reinforce the status quo but end the conflict by the end of the game you have three strong states rather than one degenerating one.
My own headcannony hope is that the Enclave remnants could find some meaningful way to contribute to the emergence of the Vegas-state so that not everything about them was lost forever, Ulysses (after being convinced to redirect every single nuke directly onto the Sierra Madre) somehow revitalizes the Legion during it's coming tribulations, and the courier sweeps Sunny Smiles off her feet and goes to live with the Mormons.
Or IDK maybe you go north and kill a bunch of homosexual furries and fuck a teenage hapa.
>A ton of industry is leftover from pre-War
Anon, you do know that there are only 2 plants in the US that produce smokeless powder, with all the companies that sell powder for reloading outsourcing their production to those 2 plants. Even if they survived some cataclysmic event, they're located in Florida (St. Marks) and Virginia (Radford Arsenal) and would be completely off the table in New Vegas.
They might have built other plants, including one closer to the west coast, to help fuel the preparation for the inevitable war against the Chinese. When your frontline dudes wear power armour and casually lug around ammo-hungry miniguns, you're gonna need to make a lot of ammo. They may also have built more plants just to have more redundancy in the case that China decides to try and take one out via sabotage or ICBM to halt the war effort.
thats in the real world, if you've got infinite fusion power you can nitrate shit way easier.
There are no weapons that are as iconic for their games as the Bastard and Shambler are for Metro
>No one posted pic of this
As disappointing as ever PrepHole
Outside of CoP you barely get a chance to use one.
you can use one pretty early in soc, just meet me in the barn in the dark valley, I got a good deal on one
I love the revolver in the metro games, you can kit it out for stealth with a silencer or put a stock on it and have a decent semi-auto """"rifle"""
I wish more games had pistols with stocks, thats just kino for me
yeah thats basically perfect form factor for non-rifleman
>I wish more games had pistols with stocks, thats just kino for me
The problem is that having such a relatively minimally effective gun vs other guns as a viable option would either require extreme amounts of unrealistic balancing, or would require scaling back how crazy the situations the game portrays are. It's one of those cool gun designs that gets excluded from a lot of discussion and media because of the massively action packed fantasies people are generally interested in render it a non option.
I understand that, but Im thinking more of a scenario where a pistol with a stock is something viable. Like in the Metro series where assault rifles are a rare commodity.
I select fire stocked pistols are a good "early to mid-game" alternative to smg's or rifles
Hunter in the book carries a Stechkin.
>I hate SAAs
Are you a gay or do you just suck dick?
I just think it's neat
i hate SAAs but you can't deny the crits
if you're indoors and body armor isn't universal than pistols will be "viable" in any form.
luv me laser pistol
wattz > aer9
luv zappin the zombies in the tunnel places
>makes a shit ton of caps
>delivers platinum chip
>ignores hoover dam
>fucks off to goodsprings
>settles in victor's shack
>turns off game
H&K P90c from 2. 24 rounds of 10mm is better than 50 5.7mm
Metro revolver, the kills all gun