What are Ukraine's chances of winning and also what are Russia's chances of using the nukes?

What are Ukraine's chances of winning and also what are Russia's chances of using the nukes? Or is Russia's threats empty?

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    100%
    0%
    yes

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      fpbp
      Stop posing stupid questions OP. For 70 years nuclear nations have lost wars and didn't use nukes once

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Russia doesn't need to use nukes on Ukraine. All the psyop MSM and Ukraine are doing just turns me off... Not just that Russia exports a lot more things that are actually useful to the US which is why I support Russia.

    Fucking Ukraine needs to surrender already ffs. No one cares about your fight. It's for nothing anyways. Russia will continue to expand into your territory so mind as well become an autonomous state before Pootang wipes you out of history.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >.000000001 rubles have been deposited in your account

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >please let us win please let us win please let us win

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Just give up and let the Russians kill you all, guys! Putin's going to kill you all anyway so you might as well just let him win!

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'm pretty sure Moscow initially tried to pull the same trick as in Crimea, which is why they expected much less resistance, went mostly ill prepared and called it a special military operation. I honestly don't think they were planning for such a bloodbath, which is why they didn't shell big Ukrainian cities into oblivion at first, expecting a quick surrender. If Biden didn't told Zelenski to not negotiate prior to the attack, maybe that would have been the case. Now everyone is in deep shit. I know the Ukrainian and Poles botshills don't want to hear it, but both sides are actually responsible for the war (like how WW1 started).

        https://i.imgur.com/ZNpzk7A.png

        >DC gets nuked
        >all the retards and politicians die
        >the rest of the country is now madder than the angriest hornet that has ever lived and out for blood
        They'd be doing us a favor really.

        >Implying politicians and oligarchs wouldn't jump in a chopper and go hide in the nearest bunker as soon as WW3 goes hot
        They're like cockroaches, nukes probably won't kill them all. But with less urbanites alive their power would be greatly diminished. I don't think it will happen, but who knows, the world is becoming quite crazy lately.

        >ever submit to russia's demands
        >risk nuclear holocaust

        You know what, bring it.

        I'm fine with that if it comes with the extermination of Russia and China, which it will.

        And madmen like those two anons might be in power, which is very concerning.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >that webm
          reminds me of the story (forget which one specifically) of the Roman elites getting drunk in Rome the night before the barbarians came into the city, except it's nukes this time
          i think we should all admit that sleepy Joe Biden and the institutional cronies surrounding him are literally sleepwalking us towards JUDGEMENT DAY
          also there's a high degree of synchronicity occurring, which reminds me of September 11th, and putin loves his dates and shit

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >i think we should all admit that sleepy Joe Biden and the institutional cronies surrounding him are literally sleepwalking us towards JUDGEMENT DAY
            How? Russia doesn't have nearly enough nukes for that.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >How? Russia doesn't have nearly enough nukes for that.
              oh ok, sorry just 30 percent of JUDGEMENT DAY, nbd

              They're part of a satanic pedo cult, so there's a chance they're pushing for the Armageddon. If so, godspeed anons, even the subhuman Slavs, see you on the other side, hopefully in Valhalla.

              >even the subhuman Slavs, see you on the other side, hopefully in Valhalla.
              based

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Dude, this is the country that can't even supply basic infantry right on its border, you expect me to believe their arsenal works? Lol. Lmao, even.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Dude, this is the country that can't even supply basic infantry right on its border, you expect me to believe their arsenal works? Lol. Lmao, even.
                you know what they say about assumptions? "ass" out of "u" and "me"
                nukes might be a technology that takes less institutional organization than supplying hundreds of thousands of conscripts
                north korea has nukes for example
                targeting and warning systems might not be as advanced but that might make it more likely to launch

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >nukes might be a technology that takes less institutional organization than supplying hundreds of thousands of conscripts
                They're also a technology that is perfect for being gutted for profit by a corrupt nation's military, Russia is especially vulnerable to this.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >you know what they say about assumptions? "ass" out of "u" and "me"
                Retards who dislike evidence and reason say that.

                Even if Russia had a functioning nuclear arsenal (they don't) I'd still support nuclear war just to get rid of them. And I live in a city that would be targeted. I don't care, I'd rather the world be destroyed than live in a world where subhuman hammer-and-sickle-waving russian imperialists are still drawing breath. Kill them all.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Even if Russia had a functioning nuclear arsenal (they don't) I'd still support nuclear war just to get rid of them.
                wow you sound SO RATIONAL when speak like that?!?
                >I don't care, I'd rather the world be destroyed than live in a world where subhuman hammer-and-sickle-waving russian imperialists are still drawing breath. Kill them all.
                VERY RATIONAL INDEED!!!!!!!!!!

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                More rational than "we're losing but let us win and commit genocide, murder children, torture innocent civilians, etc., or we nooooooooooooook"

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >oh ok, sorry just 30 percent of JUDGEMENT DAY
                I'd say maybe 5 percent at most. I'd honestly be surprised if a single nuke reaches the USA.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            They're part of a satanic pedo cult, so there's a chance they're pushing for the Armageddon. If so, godspeed anons, even the subhuman Slavs, see you on the other side, hopefully in Valhalla.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >"let us commit genocide or we nuke you"
          >wtf? no
          >"madmen!!!!!"

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >but both sides are actually responsible for the war (like how WW1 started)

          Utter nonsense. There are two (2) parts to the war, Russia and Ukraine, and Russia started the war by invading Ukraine. Ukraine not immediately surrendering does not make the Ukraine partly to blame for the war, that is a retarded notion.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I know the Ukrainian and Poles botshills don't want to hear it, but both sides are actually responsible for the war (like how WW1 started).
            What did Ukrainians do, exactly? Not rolling over for Russian terrorists in Donbass isn't "responsible for the war", by the way, that's Russia's fault for sending in terrorists.

            Blablabla Minsk treaty blablabla. You have internet, use it and don't read exclusively the MSM.

            >I know the Ukrainian and Poles botshills don't want to hear it, but both sides are actually responsible for the war (like how WW1 started).
            WW1 (and WW2) started because german butthurt loser greed, just like the Ukraine war has happened by a russian butthurt loser greed.

            Neither France/UK then, or the West now had any need to start a war because they were already winners of the previous struggle.

            That's only the surface, but if you read the newspaper from that time, literally everyone was pushing for the war, even for petty reasons. The French wanted revenge for their previous defeat against the Germans where they lost 2 regions (Alsace-Lorraine). The start of the war was almost welcomed as good news on both sides.

            Dude, this is the country that can't even supply basic infantry right on its border, you expect me to believe their arsenal works? Lol. Lmao, even.

            India, Pakistan and fucking North Korea have nukes, let that dig in. Nukes aren't that difficult to build once you have the enrichment facilities.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Blablabla Minsk treaty blablabla. You have internet, use it and don't read exclusively the MSM

              So Ukraine started the second Russian invasion... because they fought back against the first Russian invasion?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                No, because Zelenski listened to Biden who assured him that he would back him up, and he didn't lie on that point. Why is Biden caring that much about Ukraine ? The poorest and most corrupt European nation in Europe ? Why not siding with Armenia against Azerbaidjan ?

                You need to understand something tyrants everywhere need to understand. You don't need a movement, you need one man with good aim and a rifle. Politicians are squishy pink things and they still die when shot no matter how much security and pomp they surround themselves with. You can stop a lot but not everything. All it takes is one lucky bullet.

                You went full retard. The only important leader who got killed that way was Kennedy (what a tyrant) and it wasn't by your average citizen but by a literal conspiracy. Shoot a carcano once in your life and you'll understand how is impossible to accurately hit a moving target hundreds yards away. If you're a glowie try harder, it's insulting for us.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Why not siding with Armenia against Azerbaidjan ?
                Good question, why is Russia ignoring its CSTO obligation to Armenia and letting Azerbaijan dunk on it?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Why is Biden caring that much about Ukraine ?
                We get to destroy Russia while losing no American lives, this is the bargain of the century.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                This is unironicaly why the West is going balls deep in that Ukrainian affair. The us is pushing it for that exact reason, at the detriment of the global economy. I really doubt it's worth it.

                >Why not siding with Armenia against Azerbaidjan ?
                Good question, why is Russia ignoring its CSTO obligation to Armenia and letting Azerbaijan dunk on it?

                They're trying to appease both sides. They also don't want to piss off Turkey. It's a difficult situation, I don't think this conflict will end anytime soon.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I really doubt it's worth it.
                Bro, I'll happily go back to living in a wood stove cabin if I also get russia to stop existing.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >The us is pushing it for that exact reason, at the detriment of the global economy
                That's the best part, the economy finally gets to detangle itself from dependence on Russia. It's more than worth it, it's the greatest thing for American interests since WW2.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                That's a demoralized way of speaking my dude, like "I've lived under the KGB and it's successor for too long" level demoralized. Also holy fuck what a tangent with the JFK crap. Lot of important people get iced or come damn close to it. Nobody is perfectly protected at all times. They have to leave the cumbunker go outside sometime. They will make a mistake and all it takes is someone with the skills to capitalize on it.

                I'm unfit for military service. So most likely I'll be vaporized by a Minuteman's or Triden's warhead exploding over my town.

                [...]

                He's the best-guarded person in the world. A random person has no chance to get to him within a distance of a rifle shot. You'll get killed over 9000 times by his guards if you try anything like that.

                Start practicing long range shooting then. Rifle's can shoot pretty damn far. They can't secure every shot you could take 24/7. The IRA really understood the point. "Today we were unlucky, but remember we only have to be lucky once."

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Lots of important people
                Name 3 in the 21st century. And Abe doesn't count, he wasn't the prime minister anymore.

                >I really doubt it's worth it.
                Bro, I'll happily go back to living in a wood stove cabin if I also get russia to stop existing.

                >The us is pushing it for that exact reason, at the detriment of the global economy
                That's the best part, the economy finally gets to detangle itself from dependence on Russia. It's more than worth it, it's the greatest thing for American interests since WW2.

                Talking like true incels, you'd be the first to die if it happened

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >you'd be the first to die if it happened
                >implying westerners would die
                lol
                lmao even

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                You are a broken serf.

                Regan almost got dropped. JFK and his brother did get whacked. Steve Scalise also almost got killed. Here's some lists.
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assassinated_American_politicians
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assassinations
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_who_survived_assassination_attempts

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >you'd be the first to die if it happened
                Then I'll be too dead to care.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >literally everyone was pushing for the war, even for petty reasons. The French wanted revenge for their previous defeat against the Germans where they lost 2 regions (Alsace-Lorraine). The start of the war was almost welcomed as good news on both sides

              So your claim is that NATO strong-armed Russia into invading Ukraine? How did they accomplish this, if I may ask?

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Blablabla Minsk treaty blablabla. You have internet, use it and don't read exclusively the MSM.
              Are illiterate? Russian terrorists invading Ukraine isn't Ukraine's fault. We should have a nuclear war just to exterminate people as stupid as you.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >India, Pakistan and fucking North Korea
              All those countries seem more competent than Russia now, lol

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                My favorite part is event he Norks are smart enough to not gamble their power away with war like Russia has. It's better to stay at peace but appear strong than go to war and find out you're not.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >I know the Ukrainian and Poles botshills don't want to hear it, but both sides are actually responsible for the war (like how WW1 started).
          WW1 (and WW2) started because german butthurt loser greed, just like the Ukraine war has happened by a russian butthurt loser greed.

          Neither France/UK then, or the West now had any need to start a war because they were already winners of the previous struggle.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >I know the Ukrainian and Poles botshills don't want to hear it, but both sides are actually responsible for the war (like how WW1 started).
          What did Ukrainians do, exactly? Not rolling over for Russian terrorists in Donbass isn't "responsible for the war", by the way, that's Russia's fault for sending in terrorists.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Well said! I John Oblast from Smith Texas. Stop unprovoked war of aggression on peace loving Russia, Gen. Sec. Biden.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Ukraine's chance of winning
    Depends on how you define win. They have ~50% chance of getting Kherson. But aside from that, Crimea will have a 90% chance of largely being in Russian hands imo.

    >Russian Nuclear
    Depends on how the war proceeds. If Russia feels the need to use it, they'll use it. And if the respond isn't end of war, then they'll use it few more times until Kyiv bends the knees. If the west tries to take military actions (which I doubt will happen), then nuke exchange will happen between nuclear superpowers.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Crimea will have a 90% chance of largely being in Russian hands imo

      Why do you think that? Ukraine keeps making territorial gains

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        But it will get harder once they try to push past the pre-2014 borders.
        Like how in 1991 everybody was fine with liberating Kuwait but entering Iraq and marching on Baghdad was a different story.
        And even taking Moscow might not be enough, they could always retreat behind the Urals or turn to gorilla warfare.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >But it will get harder once they try to push past the pre-2014 borders

          Why? Russia is less able to defend itself with every day that passes

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Russia is big and a lot of the population wouldn't welcome Ukrainians as liberators.
            The internaitonal support for Ukraine could also drop when it's perceived as an attempt to reclaim Belgorod and other territory internationally recognized as part of Russia.
            Did you know they have tigers?

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Nobody is saying that Ukraine will invade Russia, but they will reclaim all territory lost in 2014 and onwards.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                But what if the war doesn't end at that point?
                Zelensky can't unilaterally declare Mission Accomplished and have everybody go home will Russians are still launching geraniums at playgrounds.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                With territorial disputes solved they apply for HATO

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                They already applied.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I personally think that the west will drop all support if Ukraine begins an invasion of Russia. If Ukraine takes back all territory lost by 2014, I'm sure the west will install a missile shield or something like that if Russia keeps lobbing missiles.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              At the start of the war maybe, but by now Russia has committed so much atrocities the west would keep supporting Ukraine if they took Belgorod
              In fact Russia has given Ukraine and the West as a whole a fantastic excuse for incursions into Russian territory: they are a liberation campaign to return kidnapped Ukrainian children

              Western public absolutely would supported a bunch of armed Ukrainian dads and moms taking back their kids by force

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >But it will get harder once they try to push past the pre-2014 borders.
          Why would they push past the pre-2014 borders? All they need is their own territory back. The rest can remain a Russian shithole, for all they're concerned.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >If the west tries to take military actions (which I doubt will happen), then nuke exchange will happen between nuclear superpowers

      If Russia uses nuke the west has literally no other option than a massive conventional response (or their own nukes). It's the only rational option

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >If Russia uses nuke the west has literally no other option than a massive conventional response (or their own nukes). It's the only rational option
        And such Russia will push forward with nuking few of the western cities.

        The option is simple.

        >A
        >Russia nukes Ukraine
        >west responds with conventional war
        >Russia nukes west
        >West nukes Russia
        >everyone's dead
        >billions dead
        Thats not rational.

        >B
        >Russia nukes Ukraine
        >west support for Ukraine increases
        >Russia nukes Ukraine few more times
        >Ukraine negotiates peace
        Thats not rational nor not optimal.

        >C
        >Russia nukes Ukraine
        >Ukraine negotiates peace
        Thats not rational nor optimal.

        >D
        >Ukraine negotiates peace
        Rational

        >E
        >Russia doesn't use nuke
        >Russia continues to lose
        >Russia pulls out of Kherson/Crimea/back into Russia
        >Russia surrenders peace
        Driven by Copium

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          the most rational response is this

          >Russia threatens nukes
          >West engages in decapitation strike against Russian nuclear arsenal

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            There are no scenario where every one of Russian subs/nuke silos are taken out at the same exact second.

            Not even copium results in these delusions. When you can't take out thousands of nukes at the same time, you're left with America being wiped out, Europe being wiped out, etc. >70% of the population will be wiped out in Europe.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              hundreds of nukes, at best, considering the state of their military
              take out 98% of those with a decapitation strike + glowmoron tactics and you have 5-10 nukes being launched against the west

              assuming they are launched at pre-determined locations due to the speed at which they have to be launched, majority will strike western launch facilities so you're looking at 2 western cities getting nuked worldwide

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >America being wiped out, Europe being wiped out, etc. >70% of the population will be wiped out in Europe

              Not even close. Russia has to divide it's nuclear arsenal between conventional military targets, nuclear military targets, and the civilian population. NATO only has to target Russia's nuclear assets as NATO's conventional military could crush Russia's conventional military like a cockroach. There is also a considerable discrepancy between Russia's number of warheads and their number of delivery systems. The former without the latter is just a paperweight.

              Potentially tens of millions of Westerners will die yes, but it won't be enough to actually destroy their civilization. And the Western response to such an attack would be to immediately declare genocide on Russia. There is no scenario in which Russia can "win".

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >noo you can only target our installations while we nuke you to stone age
                >ITS NOT FAIR BRO
                kek

                This is hilarious.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                it won't be because it's not fair or something like that
                it will be because Russian military command structure is fucktarded and in an emergency situation, especially if the west makes a prepared first strike, the Russian military will be utterly incapable of launching their nukes at anything other than the pre-programmed locations, the majority of which are military targets

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >trust me bro
                I don't trust some randos to have the authority to use nukes on another nuclear power on their guesses.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                We've again and again seen the flexibility and effectiveness of the Russian command structure on full display during this war
                and it continues to baffle in it's ineptness
                Russia does not have the ability to quickly switch nuclear targets to only strike civilians when the west engages in a simultaneous nuclear decapitation strike and communications blackout on Russia

                Because if you think the glowmorons haven't infiltrated every echelon of the Russian military by now when Ivan can be bought and sold for a bottle of vodka, I've got a bridge to sell you

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                i think it actually isn't a meme to ask whether or not russia even has a single functioning nuclear warhead given the amount of corruption and money laundering

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Russia still has functioning warheads and delivery systems, that’s very likely. Just how many is the question. Russia is still capable of flying and maintaining Soyuz rockets, they can manage liquid fuelled ICBMs as well.
                The problem is that even one or two nukes hitting Western targets would be a nightmare. It would be 10 times 9/11.
                Unlike Russians, the Western world will not accepts tens of thousands of deaths. And that’s where the issue lies. That’s why the West is slowly boiling the Russian frog, rather than just ending the war in a short period.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >That’s why the West is slowly boiling the Russian frog, rather than just ending the war in a short period

                It's not Russia vs the west, it's Russis vs Nato (with western military aid). The west is not at war with Russia.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                95% of west is NATO. So its Russia vs West/NATO. Functionally there's no difference.

                [...]
                Retards like yourself don't understand that the moment that a nuclear weapon is detonated in anger, much less in response to a failed war of aggression, not a defensive war for the survival of your nation, you have to be put down like the mad dog you are to make it perfectly clear to the rest of the world that nuclear warfare is not acceptable or normalized. If the US, China, India, Pakistan, and various EU nuclear powers do not immediately launch a counterforce strike against you and instead capitulate to your demands, every attempt at nuclear non-proliferation goes out the window. Literally every country will be racing to build their own nuclear weapons because that is the only defensive measure that you can take, which the current nuclear powers don't want because it both robs them of their superior standing and dramatically increases the risk of nuclear terrorism or warfare. There is no situation where using a nuclear weapon in the war in Ukraine would ever end up with anything less then Russia instantly getting glassed unless they've managed to lose so hard that Ukraine is shelling the Kremlin while also refusing any peace talks.

                It doesn't matter if a child uses a nuke to destroy NYC. What matters is NYC is destroyed. The option now is western civilization extinction or pull back and suffer the bloody nose

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >The option now is western civilization extinction or pull back and suffer the bloody nose
                This is the russian propaganda talking point, and it's a lie. The only option is to keep helping Ukraine liberate their land, and if Russia tries to use nukes they cease to exist, no matter what damage they do.

                Russia has to choose between letting go their imperial ambition and Russia Stronk bullshit, or being deleted from history if they use nukes. They're the ones that only have losing options.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >if Russia tries to use nukes they cease to exist, no matter what damage they do
                Whats the thought process like?

                >lets strike Russia and lets go extinct
                >good bye little billy, you wont have a future, nor with your friends or anyone in the west because we want to strike Russia because Ukraine

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Whats the thought process like?
                Nukes are like a mexican stand off: who shoots first, makes everyone else shoot, too.
                And Russia it's defined by only 2-3 cities, which is why the nuke talk is bullshit. They know is suicide, and the will never do it because Russia itselft isn't really in danger, only Putin's version and control of it.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Except in that mexican stand off, you're not the ones with ones in the fight but rather a by stander 10,000 km away who feels the need to join in the game and start a fight.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Except there is a constant global mexican standoff, and the only reason that everyone doesn't go out and buy a gun is because the US has a .700 nitro, level 4 plates, and promised to blow away anyone who shoots first.

                ther is further escalation, do some fucking research on the matter noob

                Strong argument, champ. I'm not even going to get into the points about nuclear proliferation, which will result in significantly more nuclear weapon use in the future, but Russia launching a nuclear strike is past the pale of escalate to deescalate because you've broken the glass ceiling that everyone agreed not to.

                The next escalation is a tactical nuke in Ukraine. The one after that is the global one.

                NATO still has the option of pulling out anytime before full global war without any loss and lots of gains (lots of Russian lives lost/military-industry weakened).

                The scenario is they've already launched a nuclear strike in Ukraine, so I'm going to assume you're just a fucking retard who doesn't even know the difference between strategic and tactical which really explains why you have no fucking understanding of nuclear doctrine.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's posts like this that demonstrate that you people really don't understand Westerners. We are some of the most vindictive people on Earth. The typical response to foreign attack (Pearl Harbour, 9/110 is to howl for blood, not to capitulate.

                Also
                >because Ukraine
                Not for Ukraine. For a world free from Russian aggression forevermore.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Vatnigs have the problem that they think that because the West doen’t go all out on belligerent posturing 24/7 like Russia does, it means that the West has no power or willingness to use it. That’s also why they though that they could roll Ukraine with no consequences or intervention.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                They really don't understand the Western mind do they? They always mistake freedom for weakness. Authoritarians always make that mistake for some reason.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Vatnigs have the problem that they think that because the West doen’t go all out on belligerent posturing 24/7 like Russia does, it means that the West has no power or willingness to use it. That’s also why they though that they could roll Ukraine with no consequences or intervention.

                Those retards see westerners complaining about their lattes and think we're soft, they don't get that if we whine about coffee something like a fucking nuke would turn us into ruthless zealots that would not rest untill they're broken forever. It's like they've not paid attention to XXth century history.

                A couple buildings got destroyed 2001 and the US spent the next 20 years killing muslims and playing in the sand until they got bored and tired of sand moron incompetence and left. A nuke here would make even green EU parties demand the blood of russian males for centuries.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                They don't get that we love peace and being left alone but are more than happy to do absolutely horrible things to anyone that attacks us. When the giant wakes up a lot of people die.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                b-but homos and morons

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                A small distraction from crushing our enemies, seeing them driven before us, and hearing the lamentations of their women.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                [...]
                Those retards see westerners complaining about their lattes and think we're soft, they don't get that if we whine about coffee something like a fucking nuke would turn us into ruthless zealots that would not rest untill they're broken forever. It's like they've not paid attention to XXth century history.

                A couple buildings got destroyed 2001 and the US spent the next 20 years killing muslims and playing in the sand until they got bored and tired of sand moron incompetence and left. A nuke here would make even green EU parties demand the blood of russian males for centuries.

                Lol stop acting tough gay, le western craazyy bloodthirsty spirit is a thing of ww2 and died with boomers . All you can do is seethe in social media and count likes and updoots at end of night to feel empowered while the people in power do what they will, which is not gonna be like your little wet dream

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Russia will use nukes, ukraine will lose and get regime change and the west will fold like a bitch . Why you ask , its because this war is not an existential threat of west, namely amerimutts. Its a war happening halfway across the world and amerimutts playing their retarded foreign policy where it shouldnt will only last for so long.
                Nato trannies from discord seething due to hormonal imbalance about how nuclear blackmail le bad! doesnt change the fact that US politicians and policy makers have backroom daily meetings with their biggest supporters aka Wall street giants . This current period is peak for US, people from all over the world would rather settle in US, empower their economy make more money flow in. No matter how much discord trannies delude themselves US wont give it all up just to avenge some irrlevant east euro shithole which didnt even exist untill 9 months ago before western media made them famous .

                That being said, keeping appearance and impotent seething goes a long way so we might see NATO blowing up some russian ship or two. Wouldnt matter because Putin would have already won,he wont escalate ,Kremlin will weave a propaganda story of accident like someone smoking in magazine room or something lol and russian will cope with that.

                You are literally watching your dreams go to ash in front of your eyes, and instead of waking up to Russian impotence, you weave ever more fantastic ones.
                Amazing.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >le western craazyy bloodthirsty spirit is a thing of ww2 and died with boomers
                moron, we have school shootings and a fuck huge civilian weapons industry based in day dreaming about killing home invaders and civil war. Give all those people and incels a way out in an actual war and you'll see who's weak. Didn't you pay attention after 9/11 and Iraq? And Saddam never was even a real threat to civvies in the west.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                how fucking retarded do you have to be to compare radicalized incels (same pol incels that you hate ,the ones that actually do something) shooting down on defenseless kids and dumb boomers who watched too many movies wanting to kill a home invader to a foreign army
                like i said befoe , screaming for blood on social media is all far as it will go
                lol fucking pathetic

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                You don't remember the warmongering in 2002-3 because you probably weren't even born, but I do. Western "weakness" is an illusion: Human base nature eventually prevails and we're the ones with the military tech, competence, and experience.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                This is true, but only for foreign attacks on domestic soil. Most people simply don't care and never have about other Ukraine or any other country outside of their own, and in the west, heart and minds matter because of democracy.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >lets strike Russia and lets go extinct
                >good bye little billy, you wont have a future, nor with your friends or anyone in the west because we want to strike Russia because Ukraine

                Unironically yes, because it's the utilitarian choice

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >lets strike Russia and lets go extinct
                Except that nobody except (russians maybe) will go extinct in full blown nuclear exhange. And with the state of russia's armed forces, it is highly likely that first strike by NATO would disarm russias nukes to the point that maybe a handful of them would actually get through.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                With the state of the Russian armed forces it's highly likely that they only have a handful of working nukes in the first place.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Whats the thought process like?
                If we fold to nuclear blackmail opnce, then it guarantees nukes will be used again and again. It guarantees a full nuclear exchange at a later date on less favourable terms.
                That's how the logic works you fucking moron.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Wrong. It's Russia trying and failing to become the Russian Empire 3.0 and potentially breaking the current hegemony of the West (the "multipolar world")

                They even wrote victory articles about it in March in their official media that they had to delete later.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Not even close. Russia has to divide it's nuclear arsenal between conventional military targets, nuclear military targets, and the civilian population.

                Call me crazy but I highly suspect that the Russians have long since given up on trying preempt a nuclear attack on NATO, seeing as NATO's technological superiority ensure that American missile silos will be long empty by the time Russian missile reach them. And that they've rewritten their targeting folders to exclusively be large or critical military installations (Fort Hood, Fort Bragg, Peterson AFB, Camp Lejune, etc.) and cities. Lots of cities

                Here's my hot take how a nuclear war goes down. The Russians launch a combined limited countervalue strike against NATO's largest military installations and let's say, the 30 largest American and 30 largest Western European cities. After that, they issue an ultimatum and threaten to initiate an all-out countervalue strike and use their remaining weapons (of which there would still be easily hundreds of them even if NATO launched a first strike) to destroy the next 100 largest American and 100 largest Western European cities (excluding ones they haven't already hit) if their demands aren't met. The vast majority of the Americans and Western European populations actually live in these 100 cities so a successful attack on them would essentially amount to national extermination. If even one of the three nuclear NATO powers blinks and agrees to a ceasefire, then that at leasts dramatically cuts down on the number of targets the Russians would have to hit in a follow-up strike.

                Now, do I have any proof of this? No. But I can't think of any other way to potentially make use of the Russian nuclear arsenal in its current state that would actually stand a decent chance of winning a war.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >After that, they issue an ultimatum

                Nearly burst out laughing

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                That's moronic, as soon as the US detects a launch, it goes for a full retaliation. Also the UK and France have their own arsenals, each of which is fully capable of wiping Russia out. Russia only really exists in St Petersburg and Moscow anyway.
                Oh and the UKs nuclear strategy is full countervalue revenge strikes.
                You are stupid and your hot take is garbage.

                https://i.imgur.com/BtvIzke.png

                >The Russians launch a combined limited countervalue strike against NATO's largest military installations and let's say, the 30 largest American and 30 largest Western European cities. After that, they issue an ultimatum

                I didn't say it was a good idea or would stand even a remote chance of working in practice. Just that it was the most efficient way to make use of Russia's likely decrepit nuclear arsenal.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Stop posting then, retard.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Welp, I gave it my best shot.

                Guess I'll have to withdraw my resume for next Russian commander of the Special Military Operation.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Nono, don't! You are stupid enough to have an actual chance of getting the position.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Awwwww... You think think so?

                why would you want such a shitty job in the first place? There's no perspective for career advancement or retirement plan.

                I want to play IRL Armchair General like Himmler did as commander of Army Group Vistula 🙂

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                why would you want such a shitty job in the first place? There's no perspective for career advancement or retirement plan.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                That's moronic, as soon as the US detects a launch, it goes for a full retaliation. Also the UK and France have their own arsenals, each of which is fully capable of wiping Russia out. Russia only really exists in St Petersburg and Moscow anyway.
                Oh and the UKs nuclear strategy is full countervalue revenge strikes.
                You are stupid and your hot take is garbage.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >The Russians launch a combined limited countervalue strike against NATO's largest military installations and let's say, the 30 largest American and 30 largest Western European cities. After that, they issue an ultimatum

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >robber kills your children and wife
                >now that I have your attention, if you don't put down that gun I might try to kill you as well

                lmao

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >After that, they issue an ultimatum
                lmao
                The rest of the world would be revving up their own nukes before Russia's strike even lands
                Russia's international reputation would sink even lower than the pariah it is now down to an existential threat
                Mass slaughter of civilians is not only going to do nothing about the rest of the world's nuclear arseal but focus their attention exclusively on wiping Russia off the face of the earth

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Two factors why I agree with anon that we could disable their nuclear arsenal-
              >Russia for certain has far fewer nukes than they advertise.
              >Russia is fully compromised by foreign intelligence.
              It seems many agree these claims must be true, personally, I think there is some evidence to suggest they are true.
              Plus many other potential factors:
              >Does Russia have the capability to detect every weapon in US service? Likely not.
              >Is Russia's airspace properly monitored & defended? Likely not.
              >Does the United States have the weapons and capability to carry out this type of operation? Probably.
              The performance of Russia in the war in Ukraine suggests it's ineptitude as far as the eye can see, maybe it's air defense is the same.
              Let's just hope those nukes are cleaned up before the county falls into insurgency or Putin gets replaced by someone even more calamitous.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >There are no scenario where every one of Russian subs/nuke silos are taken out at the same exact second.
              Tough shit. I can live with France getting evaporated.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >America being wiped out, Europe being wiped out, etc
              THAT is pure copium. The best case scenario for Russia is they take out a few urban shitholes (good riddance) and then the USA spends 10% of its arsenal (the rest is reserved for answering the Chinese question) eradicating Russia. The surviving Russians in rural areas are hunted down and killed by Polish forces.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >There are no scenario where every one of Russian subs/nuke silos are taken out at the same exact second.
              When only 5% of their nuclear arsenal is even functional the west would never need to take out the whole thing.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Well to be fair, as of now, the Pentagon has not found any evidence that Russia is getting ready to use the nukes. At least for now. Russia said they'd use the nukes if they ever dared fuck with Crimea, yet they still went ahead and bombed the bridge anyways. Russia threatened to use the nukes if any of the occupied land they stole were attacked, which they didn't do. Russia threatened a nuclear strike if ANY of Russia's territory came under the line of fire, and yet there have been numerous strikes and other related such assaults in mainland Russia as a result of this war.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Also, their Iranian drones aren't going to be enough to save them at this point. They most certainly weren't enough to save the Houthis.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Obviously the most rational choice is a full scale first strike by NATO

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >And such Russia will push forward with nuking few of the western cities

          Ok? Then that will happen. The west has NO option other than to retaliate severely if Russia nukes. The ball is in Russias court on that one, not the wests.

          You are missing a HUGE piece of the puzzle

          >Russia nukes Ukraine
          >the west does nothing
          >a precedent is set that using nukes is the way to go if you are a violent shithead nation
          >violent dictatorships start nuking every time they want to get something

          The above is the worst case scenario. A devastating but quick nuclear exchange between NATO and Russia is preferable

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >a precedent is set that using nukes is the way to go if you are a violent shithead nation
            Japan happened. 2 nukes ended the war and stopped potential lose of millions of lives.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              How many countries were nuclear armed at that point

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Is russia even nuclear armed?
                Fuck’s sake they sent their flagship into battle without a properly working radar array among other things. They are sending fucking t-62s to the frontlines because they have nothing else.
                I’m supposed to think the country that has to buy hobby drones from fucking iran actually maintains its nuclear arsenal?

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Yes, because nobody else had nukes at that time, R-tard. The equation changes once even just one other nation has nukes

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Japan happened.

              An existential war that the United States was fighting in the most literal clear cut case of self-defense imaginable where the Japanese had made it clear that they would rather sacrifice every last man, woman, and child rather than surrender.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          A lot of unfounded assumptions there buddy. But keep being yourself. Keep believing. Don't let anyone tell you that you can't be this version of yourself which is probably the best you can aspire to and that is perfectly ok. Happiness can be in small and silly things.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Forgetting one in your copium, aren't you?

          >E
          >Russia nukes Ukraine
          >West engages in a first strike to avoid normalizing nuclear blackmail
          >China joins in because they don't want people to realize all their treaties aren't worth the paper they're printed on and Russia is losing anyway
          >Russia's decrepit nuclear arsenal is largely struck on the ground, a few warheads get off in return
          >Millions die, but Russia is reduced to the stone age

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >E
            >Russia nukes Ukraine
            >West engages in a first strike to avoid normalizing nuclear blackmail
            >Russia responds in kind and 90% of Russia/west is wiped out
            >China joins in because they don't want people to realize all their treaties aren't worth the paper they're printed on and Russia is losing anyway
            Meaningless. China would rather see the US/west disappear from the face of the planet. They know the US/west is after China next. Isolation policy has been used both Russia/China. They know they're next. If anything, if China detects nukes anywhere from the Pacific side of things, China will nuke the US.
            >Russia's decrepit nuclear arsenal is largely struck on the ground, a few warheads get off in return
            Maybe
            >Millions die, but Russia is reduced to the stone age
            Billions die, and everyone in the west/Russia is reduced to stone age

            Its wishful to think that thousands of nukes going off at the same time will only amount to millions death.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              You do realize that the "GIVE ME WHAT I WANT OR I'LL KILL US BOTH"-tactic isn't really viable in the long run, right?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                MAD doctrine allowed us to survive in height of cold war, why are you saying it doesn't work? You can't refuse to play the game while still trying to advance your objective.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                What you are proposing isn't MAD, though. You are saying that Russia gets to use nukes, or take what they want without retaliation because MAD. That's not MAD. MAD is: if you use nukes, everyone dies, thus nobody uses nukes.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                MAD works between two nuke parties.

                If the west intends on first strike against Russia, the west will be wiped out along with Russia. There's no IF part about it.

                If the west intends on conventional strikes against Russia, Russia will use nukes against the west. Then the ballpark will be in the hands of the west on whether to pull back or use "first strike" against Russia.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >If the west intends on first strike against Russia, the west will be wiped out along with Russia. There's no IF part about it.

                Yes, and?

                >If the west intends on conventional strikes against Russia, Russia will use nukes against the west. Then the ballpark will be in the hands of the west on whether to pull back or use "first strike" against Russia.

                Yes, and?

                Of course these won't happen. You left out the critical part: RUSSIA USES NUKES FIRST. IF THAT HAPPEN, THE WEST HAS TO RETALIATE EITHER WITH MASSIVE CONVENTIONAL FORCE OR NUKES

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Yes, and?
                There's a reason why people like you aren't in charge of any military roles. Coolheads and rational heads deal with this type of problem all the time. Life isn't about lets kill each other, its always compromises between competing parties.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                That's the problem, if there was no compromise with puccians from the beginning, this war would never happen. Appeasing dictators always leads to more demands

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, and the rational choice in the case of a Russian nuclear strike is massive conventional retaliation. It is not to flop over and go "oh well I sure hope they don't use nukes again haha"

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                And the coolheaded thing to do isto not let snowgerians with a nuclear blackmail. Glad we're on the same page

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, and the current compromise is that Russia is still allowed to exist and fight only against NATO's pocket lint manned by a proxy army despite the rest of the world wishing them dead in exchange for not using their nuclear weapons. If they would like to change that calculus, they're welcome to enjoy the consequences of it.

                Yes, and the rational choice in the case of a Russian nuclear strike is massive conventional retaliation. It is not to flop over and go "oh well I sure hope they don't use nukes again haha"

                >massive conventional retaliation

                Incorrect. Once Russia has demonstrated a willingness to use nuclear weapons, there is no point in giving them the initiative to launch the first strike on the vague hopes that they'll finally come to their senses, and given that the rest of the world isn't going to back down, the only rational choice left is to strike them first with overwhelming firepower, aka nuclear weapons, to minimize the amount of damage that Russia can do in their death throes.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Incorrect. Once Russia has demonstrated a willingness to use nuclear weapons, there is no point in giving them the initiative to launch the first strike on the vague hopes that they'll finally come to their senses, and given that the rest of the world isn't going to back down, the only rational choice left is to strike them first with overwhelming firepower, aka nuclear weapons, to minimize the amount of damage that Russia can do in their death throes

                I partly disagree, I think massive conventional response is more rational, since your option has a too large risk of triggering MAD. With a conventional response you can send a message to other dictators and make Russia a pariah state (while probably avoiding a triggering of full scale nuclear war)

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Russia has already launched a nuclear strike
                >you make a half hearted attempt to stop them by tying a hand behind your back
                >Russia doesn't launch more nukes because... reasons?

                MAD is long outdated thinking, in part because of things like the START treaties reducing active weapons to a much smaller number. Once Russia has launched a nuclear strike, there is no reason to believe they won't launch more once in direct conflict with the West, so the best thing to do is to launch an immediate first strike to destroy all Russian weapons in their silos/airbases. Cracking that many hardened targets with each missed one potentially meaning hundreds of thousands of dead civilians means that the only rational move is to use your nuclear weapons to maximize the odds. There is no reason to let Russia have the chance and time to ready their nuclear forces and launch first since that means that far more weapons will be landing on Western targets. The timescale from Russia's nukes hitting Ukraine to the US nuclear strikes landing in Russia would be sub 30 minutes, since there is no other rational option.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Russia doesn't launch more nukes because... reasons?

                Because they think they could get away with launching nukes against Ukraine (but not NATO), like the Russian shill ITT. When it's shown that this isn't tolerated, they'll be too scared of MAD to try more

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Or since they've already continued to double down, they'll instead launch one at London/NYC/DC instead. Do you want to bet the lives of a million people on Putin finally realizing the West isn't going to cuck out?

                I would argue the response wouldn't be immediate, but rather a couple days, maybe a week delay to allow military intelligence to put in place the means to delay the Russian counterrespose
                essentially, the west issues a strongly worded letter, russia buys it, then a week later with no warning the decapitation strike follows right as conveniently there's been a massive glitch in russian military communications channels

                >the response wouldn't be immediate, but rather a couple days, maybe a week delay

                The various glowmorons in the US military intelligence apparatus read Putin's orders before his generals, much less being able to keep an eye on the readiness status of Russian nuclear forces. When Russia starts moving to prepare a weapon, the US will know and those preparations will be matched on the US's side. There will be no need for the West to delay because everyone will already be sitting with their finger just above the big red button.

                >so the best thing to do is to launch an immediate first strike to destroy all Russian weapons in their silos/airbases
                That will wipe cause Russia to launch couple thousand nukes at your city. Given that missiles take 20-30 mins to cross over the globe, while sats can pick up everything at speed of light. If first strike happens from NATO, Russia will respond in kind before the nukes land on their silos.

                We don't have a teleporting nuke yet.

                Russia maintains just over 1,500 strategic weapons as verified by START inspections, and more then 50% of those are on platforms that can't be readied to fire within the launch detection. Their submarine forces are a well known joke, their bomber force is equally as lulzworthy, and their 2nd strike ground force is the road mobile launchers that they keep in hardened silos which are only intended to be rolled out and fired after the first wave of detonations. Russia also uses liquid fueled ICBMs, which drastically increase the amount of time that they require to launch since they have to be fueled. It takes 30 minutes from launch to detonation for a minute man, but a Trident launched from a US sub can bring that down to 15 minutes and is much less easy to detect so it's not impossible that a good portion of Russian warheads will be struck on the ground, especially if it's in conjunction with other US conventional assets which are stealthy. While there are likely to be some successful launches on Russia's side, it's far less then if they were allowed the initiative to start the shooting.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >50% of 1500
                Sure lets take that number as baseline.

                That's still 700 warheads. 700 largest cities wiped out will result in 300-500 million deaths.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Nukes are not aimed at cities dipshit. They are aimed at the enemy's nuclear arsenal, so that in case you launch first, you minimize the enemy's ability to strike back at you.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >nooo you cant target our cities, we'll target yours and reduce you to stone age
                lol good one

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Are you baiting me, or are you really this stupid?

                >drunk neighbor is waving his gun at me
                >shoot his wife and kids instead of him
                >hah that'll teach him

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Nukes are a means to an end. If they're not a threat to the opponent, then they're not doing their job.

                The destructive capability of nukes has been demonstrated with the US wiping out the civilian cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

                Asking Russia to not use it against the US/NATO while NATO intends on wiping out Russia isn't realistic. Russia will use nukes just like NATO/US has/will.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Explain to me in detail the strategic benefit from nuking your enemy's cities instead of their nuclear arsenal when your goal is to survive the retaliation strike

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Civilian deaths are used to end war. What do you think was the goal of US was when US used nukes against Horishima/Nagasaki was? It was to end the war by showing the cost of war.

                Russia understands that NATO nukes will wipe out Russia as a country. So to get the goal of ending the war, the best way is to wipe out the civilian population and make the countries and the allies that are trying to wipe out Russia as a country extinct as well.

                Thats why Russia built thousands of nukes. Not so it can destroy small hidden silos, but to use it as a deterrent and hold the populations of those countries hostage if the government tries to attack Russia. And US/NATO did the same as well. This is how we got MAD in the first place. Refusal to understand the reasons for why Russia/US built thousands of nukes doesn't get us out of this dillemma.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                MAD has never been US policy or ever mentioned in all the documents declassified after the fall of the USSR. Shut the fuck up and read a book, retard.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                But retard-kun, russia's population is 144 million, with 2 major cities worth of note, while NATO population is almost 1 billion. Which one do you think will suffer more from full blown nuclear echange?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                NATO losing 500+ million
                Russia losing 100+ million

                This is my rough guess. Who lost more? Well depends on how you want to count losses. If you want to count percentage wise, Russia lost more. If you want to count actual lives, then most of the NATO powers are forever gone from existence or are reduced to third world iradiated status

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                You know what, at this point I'm willing to see this play out. Honestly, use nukes in Ukraine, see what happens.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'm at this state as well. Stop talking about doing stuff, do stuff.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >your goal is to survive the retaliation strike
                Wrong, once Monke sees he has no way out he will Samson Option this shit.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                You think all the other monkeys in the chain of launching the nukes want to die for the Chief Monke?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Chief Monke is the most moderate of the monkeys in Kremlin.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Then kill them all.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                The scenario was never that NATO invaded Russia as a first action. The scenario was a NATO intervention in Ukraine after Russia nukes Ukraine.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >NATO intends on wiping out Russia
                This is a russian propaganda lie. Russia isn't in existential danger, only the evil current version of it under Putin's regime.

                There's a possible better version of Russia in the future without being ruled by thugs and leeching from poor asian republics being treated like colonies. Putin's Russia doesn't need to be the end.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                It doesn't matter if its a propaganda, what matters is what Russia thinks of its borders.

                How did US react to Russia putting few missiles in Cuba? What would happen if Mexico joins China and installs few nukes/missiles on their base to get more leverage against US?

                Right now, Russia has to deal with multiple missiles aimed at it from the border. If Ukraine joins NATO, its over for Russian geopolitical existence.

                They cannot allow that. Neither the US/Russia can afford to have a hostile party at their borders.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                NATO has bases in Estonia which are are within a stones throw of major Russian cities, and yet despite being so worried about ebil HATO aggression, they've drawn down the garrison in those areas to contribute more troops to the fucking meatgrinder in Ukraine. Any attempts to posit this naked land grab as vital for Russian security is yet another lie and you repeating it makes you a useful idiot as you try to find someway to cope with the fact that Russia is both retarded and completely in the wrong.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Whats NATO going to do? Invade Russia without expecting nuke exchange?

                There's no meaningful difference where Russia moves troops from. The next level war isn't small border fights, its full nuke since Russia has limited/no conventional capabilities anymore.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Then what does it matter about having another land front since missiles don't give a fuck about borders, you fucking retard?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                And if Russia can be invaded at any point, whats the point of expanding NATO?

                Really makes you think doesn't it? NATO biting the heels of Russia got us into this mess. Now we're at nuclear brinksmanship. Russia cannot afford to lose, NATO can with zero loss.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Nobody wants to invade your frozen hellhole, vatnik.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >expanding NATO
                More russian propaganda bullshit. NATO has never "expanded". Former soviet countries joined it because they were scared from Russian agression. That's it. And February has proven them right.
                > NATO biting the heels of Russia got us into this mess.
                Lies. Russia wanted to conquer their neighbours one way or another since the 2000s
                >Russia cannot afford to lose
                Yes they can. Putin is the one who can't, but Russia would survive and prosper without him.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Thats like saying China can afford lose just the Xi/communist party can't. And claiming China will prosper without the Communist party at the helm.

                Its a nice thought, I hate commies for sure, but I don't think the people would think that way.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                China is a very different and complex beast than Russia.
                Russia is nothing but Moscow and St. petersbourg being the colonial masters of a bunch of poor and backwards asian republics.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >NATO biting the heels of Russia got us into this mess

                Russia performing unprovoked invasions on neighbours got us into this mess

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >What's the point of expanding NATO
                Because the Russians, whose belligerence is why NATO exists at all, have this strange and unfortunate habit of invading their neighbors. They think it's because NATO is after them so they have to stop it's expansion by puppeting it's neighbors but NATO is actually growing because those neighbors realize they're on the chopping block otherwise.

                Russia is 110% it's own worst enemy and the definitive cause of it's own problems.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Russia has already thrown away tens of thousands of lives and livelihood of its entire society for generations to come for no reason but to inflict harm on people who it alternates between calling "brother nation" and "holol subhuman pigs".

                The world cannot afford to have this sort of regime in it.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                But Finland will join NATO, so Russia WILL have a hostile NATO party at its border very soon (also, Estonia as mentioned).

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Another russian propaganda lie. Between scandinavia, Poland, and submarines, Russia could have been already surrounded by nukes since the 90s. But nobody cares anymore because nukes are expensive to maintain, the big ideological conflict of soviets vs. the west ended back then, and the EU had been following german Ostpolitik for mutual benefit until they were betrayed in February.

                The conquest of Ukraine, like the also aborted annexation of Belarus (remember that one?), was about rebuilding a Russian Empire 3.0 with Putin as czar, nothing more.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >They cannot allow that. Neither the US/Russia can afford to have a hostile party at their borders.
                There is no parity anymore between USA and Russia. Russia is no longer a superpower and needs to accept that. Instead of dominating it's neighbours, it needs to learn to live with and work with them.
                You're not an empire any more, gay.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >NATO intends on wiping out Russia
                NATO is a DEFENSIVE alliance champ. It wouldn't exist in the first place without Soviet/Russian aggression. If Russia just kept to themselves instead of being belligerents like the Soviets and constantly invading their neighbors and saber rattling like the current model Russia would be left alone.

                If NATO said fuck it and decided to go offensive and wipe out Russia it is glaringly obvious the Russians wouldn't be able to stop it. At this point I don't think China would even attempting to bother riding in to their rescue either.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Sure, but soon as NATO strikes Russian territory/people. Its not a defensive act anymore. "Its not fair, i only touched you a little" wont bring back billions of lives lost to war.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >but soon as NATO strikes Russian territory/people. Its not a defensive act anymore

                It's entirely defensive if it's done as a defense against a Russian use of nukes

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                It wont bring back US back to life, nor France, nor Germany nor UK, etc. All the major NATO powers will be wiped out along with Russia.

                The only winner will be China at this point.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, that's why it would be very stupid of Russia to use nukes

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                If Russia doesn't use nukes, then it will ceases to exist as a geopolitical power. So they have no choice in this manner. They're fucked either way, so the only way forward is to gamble on nuke and hope the west pulls back.

                If it doesn't then its over for the west.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >If Russia doesn't use nukes, then it will ceases to exist as a geopolitical power

                Well, shouldn't have invaded Ukraine when you were clearly not capable of winning, and also refusing to surrender, then

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Russia have the nuke option to win this war.
                NATO has the option of not lose by not doing anything.

                One way or another, compromise will happen. Ukraine will lose out simply because most people don't want to go extinct for some country 10,000KM away

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Gets nuked into oblivion
                Unfortunately, we already have gays like macron saying they would not retaliate with nukes. Chances are, everybody else will not.

                Retards like yourself don't understand that the moment that a nuclear weapon is detonated in anger, much less in response to a failed war of aggression, not a defensive war for the survival of your nation, you have to be put down like the mad dog you are to make it perfectly clear to the rest of the world that nuclear warfare is not acceptable or normalized. If the US, China, India, Pakistan, and various EU nuclear powers do not immediately launch a counterforce strike against you and instead capitulate to your demands, every attempt at nuclear non-proliferation goes out the window. Literally every country will be racing to build their own nuclear weapons because that is the only defensive measure that you can take, which the current nuclear powers don't want because it both robs them of their superior standing and dramatically increases the risk of nuclear terrorism or warfare. There is no situation where using a nuclear weapon in the war in Ukraine would ever end up with anything less then Russia instantly getting glassed unless they've managed to lose so hard that Ukraine is shelling the Kremlin while also refusing any peace talks.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Retards like you only bark the lines they like all the time. I would love to see puccia eliminated, but it is the fucking reality, and nuclear retaliation is not a guaranteed response, unf.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I personally think a no-fly zone over ukraine is the most likely first response

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >no fly zone
                >Russia challenges a Western jet who enforces the no fly zone
                >Western jet shoots down Russian jet
                >Putin now in direct conflict with NATO, but has the initiative
                >Putin nukes the airbase the Western jet took off from
                >NATO launches second strike

                Please think things through before opening your mouth. A conventional response merely gives Russia time to prepare and launch another nuclear strike.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Turkey already shot down Russian jets and Russia did fucking nothing. If anything, it began to treat Turkey with much more respect.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Russia wasn't currently embroiled in a war and having terms dictated to them by the West. Same reason no one expected the Wagner group getting btfo by the US in Syria to escalate, but a US airstrike on Russians in Ukraine might.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Alright.
                So if Russia doesn't escalate then there will be no problem.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Except they've already hit peak escalation by launching a nuclear strike. There is no further escalation except hitting a different target. Do you want to bet the population of DC or London on this gamble, much less all the additional nukes that they could ready if they get to launch the first strike? The only reason they're even allowed to get away with their current nuclear threats is because they've been making them for so long and not living up to them that everyone has a tacit understanding that they're not serious and instead are just domestic propaganda. That goes out the window the moment that Russia demonstrates that these are not empty threats.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                ther is further escalation, do some fucking research on the matter noob

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Well if they already made a nuclear strike then it's over for them, one way or another.
                But so far they haven't.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                The next escalation is a tactical nuke in Ukraine. The one after that is the global one.

                NATO still has the option of pulling out anytime before full global war without any loss and lots of gains (lots of Russian lives lost/military-industry weakened).

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Do you want to bet the population of DC or London on this gamble

                Yes

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >DC gets nuked
                >all the retards and politicians die
                >the rest of the country is now madder than the angriest hornet that has ever lived and out for blood
                They'd be doing us a favor really.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                That's exactly why I would happily gamble the lives of the population of Washington DC (or any major city for that matter) in a nuclear war with Russia. If they don't get glassed, that's fine. If they do get glassed, that just means substantially fewer Democrats shitting up the country plus Joe Biden either gets incinerated or lynched by an angry mob in the aftermath. It's a win-win.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Please think things through before opening your mouth

                Sure, if you'd do the same first. My line of thinking is the same as what has been stated by world leaders at this point, forceful conventional response. Yours is a larp.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >There is no situation where using a nuclear weapon in the war in Ukraine would ever end up with anything less then Russia instantly getting glassed unless they've managed to lose so hard that Ukraine is shelling the Kremlin while also refusing any peace talks.
                First I kekd, but then I realized with the current trajectory of the war this is a very real possibility.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Russia have the nuke option to win this war.
                NATO has the option of not lose by not doing anything.

                False, as has been discussed thorough in this thread already

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >ceases to exist as a geopolitical power
                That already happened last spring, and there's no going back. Russian military power was revealed to be a bluff.

                Nukes are a scary thing. If the west has forgotten, then maybe Putin will help remind the west.

                Putin will do nothing because whatever he has, the West has more and stronger. "Scalate to descalate" is not gonna work anymore. A country with formerly the GDP of Italy and becoming less each week is not gonna scare anybody else for decades.
                Putin's Russia is over. The sooner russians realize it and end him, the sooner they could begin to build a new Russia.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >If Russia doesn't use nukes, then it will ceases to exist as a geopolitical power

                Literally means nothing to the actual life of the everyday Russian. Sweden is not a geopolitical power, yet we have great lives.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                So it will never happen , got it.
                Again: Russia talking about nukes is to scare normies and sow division in the west. They'll never do it unless Putin is about to be killed and has a red button in his pocket. Anythng else is propaganda.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Nukes are a scary thing. If the west has forgotten, then maybe Putin will help remind the west.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Ukraine, which is NATO's puppet according to Putin, has hit Crimea, which Russia says is Russian clay, and Belgorod, which is acknowledged as Russian by the global community. No notable Russian reaction in either case.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Right, Russia is considering nuke because of Ukraine's successes. And before they launch a nuke, they'll have their nuclear arsenals checked/ready/prepped incase of counter attacks.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >At this point I don't think China would even attempting to bother riding in to their rescue either
                The moment russia gets into proper conflict with NATO, China will stab russia right in the Siberia.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Or since they've already continued to double down, they'll instead launch one at London/NYC/DC instead
                You say that like it's a bad thing

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                A massive conventional response would still provoke them into launching nukes. If you see that your enemy is coming to wipe out your ability to retaliate with nuclear weapons, you'll ready and use those weapons as soon as possible. A symbolic gesture and a couple days of preparation before first strike would be better since you wouldn't be gambling with so many western lives in that case. More would die, yes, but at better odds for you.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >A symbolic gesture and a couple days of preparation before first strike would be better since you wouldn't be gambling with so many western lives

                >allow russia ample time to fuel all of their launchers
                >less of a gamble

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                A symbolic gesture for the wider public, I mean. The point of it is to allow some sort of deescalation. Use direct lines to give the Russians an ultimatum to fuck off out of Ukraine immediately or face an attack from NATO. If after this glowies get an indication that Russians are preparing to use more nukes, then NATO is just going to act immediately. I think the chances of things escalating dearly in immediate conventional action are significantly greater than attempting to communicate first.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >allow some sort of deescalation

                Once Russia has broken the nuclear taboo, that ship has sailed and it's best to put down the mad dog as quickly and effectively as possible instead of giving them the time to be prepared for a strike at NATO. Western leaders aren't going to gamble with millions of civilians lives on the hope that someone finally grows a brainstem in Russia if no one stepped up to stop it when they fired the first nuke. You bring the hammer of god down on them as fast and hard as you can with no warning to minimize their chance to do the same to you.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                No. The ultimatum comes before russia nukes. If russia does nuke it is gg no re.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I would argue the response wouldn't be immediate, but rather a couple days, maybe a week delay to allow military intelligence to put in place the means to delay the Russian counterrespose
                essentially, the west issues a strongly worded letter, russia buys it, then a week later with no warning the decapitation strike follows right as conveniently there's been a massive glitch in russian military communications channels

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I would argue the response wouldn't be immediate, but rather a couple days, maybe a week delay to allow military intelligence to put in place the means to delay the Russian counterrespose
                No it fucking wouldn't. The moment russia nukes Ukraine is the moment B-2s take off to wait in the air whether or not to strike. The way to delay russian counter response is to sink any russian nuclear subs out at sea and pre-emptively nuke their silos and every single mobile launcher base. If NATO satellites detect russia fueling their mobile launchers, it is go time. There is no fucking way NATO would risk allowing russia to ready their entire nuclear arsenal before responding.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >nuke their silos

                Would that even do anything though? I'm thinking underground silos wouldn't be affected much by a nuke

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                That is why the US doctrine calls for 2-3 nukes per silo to dig through the reinforcements.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Have a good read that was vetted, but not written, by Oppenheimer before he left us. Nuclear weapons are the counter to nuclear weapons, and yes, they can and will destroy a silo within a certain probability.

                https://pastebin.com/cWs6A7rR

                >50% of 1500
                Sure lets take that number as baseline.

                That's still 700 warheads. 700 largest cities wiped out will result in 300-500 million deaths.

                >nukes would target cities
                >all will launch within 15 minutes

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >so the best thing to do is to launch an immediate first strike to destroy all Russian weapons in their silos/airbases
                That will wipe cause Russia to launch couple thousand nukes at your city. Given that missiles take 20-30 mins to cross over the globe, while sats can pick up everything at speed of light. If first strike happens from NATO, Russia will respond in kind before the nukes land on their silos.

                We don't have a teleporting nuke yet.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                nuclear submarines come close though
                and a real question is, with glowmoron BS happening, and general incompetence, is Russia capable of reacting to anything at all in 30 minutes, even if it's a nuclear strike?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Incorrect. Once Russia has demonstrated a willingness to use nuclear weapons, there is no point in giving them the initiative to launch the first strike on the vague hopes that they'll finally come to their senses, and given that the rest of the world isn't going to back down, the only rational choice left is to strike them first with overwhelming firepower, aka nuclear weapons, to minimize the amount of damage that Russia can do in their death throes

                I partly disagree, I think massive conventional response is more rational, since your option has a too large risk of triggering MAD. With a conventional response you can send a message to other dictators and make Russia a pariah state (while probably avoiding a triggering of full scale nuclear war)

                There's no rationality in conventional strike once Russia has demonstrated willingness to nuke Ukraine

                It just means things will escalate. If A single strike from NATO lands in Russian territory, it will lead to more nukes. If one nukes is fired, two can be fired much easier. If two is fired, 10 can be fired easily, and so on.

                If the west only intends on conventional warfare against nuke, then Russia will escalate it until the cost is too high for the west. Losing everything or just negotiate.

                If Hitler had 1000 nukes, he would have survived. He didn't thankfully. But if he did, we' have no choice but to sue for peace or US/Europe would be wiped out.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Hitler lost
                >thankfully
                I hope you're enjoying clown world as much as I am.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                The way I see it is like this

                >1 nuke = conventional response
                >2 nukes = MAD

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Don't be naive, the endgame is same.

                >Russia nukes Ukraine
                >NATO conventional strike happens
                >Russia nukes NATO
                >NATO nukes Russia
                >OH GOD WHY DIDNT I SEE THIS?
                Dumb

                Once NATO attacks Russia, its over for NATO because the first one to use nukes will be Russia due to it not having conventional forces capable to fight against NATO. Hence nuke is the only option.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I still think my way is more rational than launching every nuke NATO has against Russia the moment Russia uses a 5kt tactical nuke against Ukraine

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                There's no "more rational" when the result ends in total annihilation.

                The rational answer is to end the war with minimal loss. Once Russia uses nuke, the war is over.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                +
                The optimal way to end the war is to negotiate before Russia uses nuke and after retaking Kherson.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I would agree if Russia nukes a NATO-nation, but not a random other nation

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Even a total nuclear exchange between US and russia wouldn't result in total annihilation. Maybe couple hundred million directly dead in the blasts, and then maybe 1 to 2 billion in the next 5 years due to disruption caused to infrastructure, and do note, those billions dead would be mainly in Africa and Asia, since the 1st world wouldn't be able to subsidize their absurd over bloated populations.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Russia has >1000 nukes. If they use 1000+ nukes for US cities, US ceases to exist. More so, it only needs to wipe out top 100 cities at best to reduce the US to a third world country status. 200+ will stop the nation from existing. 300+ will remove all major population centers. 500+ will remove all human centers 1000+ will remove all animals near human centers and effectively making US a nomans land for the next 10,000+ years

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Nukes are not aimed at cities you double retard.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                We all know the Russians have lots of nukes on paper. The question is do those nukes still work and do the missiles they'd need to deliver them still work?

                My bet is the Russians are sitting on a mountain of mostly duds that were not maintained because Pavel decided he wanted a cocaine habit. But like all Russians with access to lots of valuables or lots of money he didn't JUST want a coke habit. He probably wanted a coke habit where you do lines off an expensive hooker's ass on his very own yacht. Tendrils of corruption reach everything in Russia and I sincerely doubt even their nuclear arsenal is immune or even really that resistant to it. I wouldn't be even slightly shocked to find out there are TONS of orphaned sources out there that were once part of Russian nukes.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Russia has maintained probably about 200-300 of their warheads, ASSUMING none of that money was siphoned away due to corruption.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                +
                The optimal way to end the war is to negotiate before Russia uses nuke and after retaking Kherson.

                No, the best way to end the war is Putin and all real pro-war russians being neutralized and Russia going back to its borders. Then we negotiate when we let them trade with us again or they end as China's morones.

                The nuke bullshit is just scare mongering against western normies. They'll never do it because nuclear blackmail is suicide and they know it. Russians aren't religious zealots or Hitler larping as a Wagner character in his bunker, they're two-faced uppity thugs and bullies that always fold in the end when met with superior force.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Pretty sure the best way is to ask for God to intervene and wipe out Russia, wipe out China, wipe out war, wipe out diseases, wipe out poverty, get us all into heaven after death no questions asked, and uhh get 52 hot virgins

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >If Hitler had 1000 nukes, he would have survived

                Well duh, the only other nation with nukes had like 2

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'll write a metaphor about animals, maybe then you will understand

                >there's a rabid dog in your back-yard that has bitten children before, now it is growling at your family

                is the rational choice to

                >A
                >give the backyard to the dog. Maybe it will bite again, maybe it wont. It's preferable, if we don't agitate it maybe it will leave us alone

                >B
                >gather your friends and attack the dog with baseball bats
                >maybe one of you will get bitten, but the dog will be dead and never a threat again

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >B
                >gather your friends and attack the dog with baseball bats
                >everyone will get bitten and die, but the dog will be dead and never a threat again
                Delusion is thinking you'll just get off with a light wound in a global nuclear war LMAO

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Seeing russia reduced to atoms makes up for that

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's also delusional to think that nuclear blackmail (during an active offensive operation) will be tolerated

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >MAD works between two nuke parties.

                >If Russia intends on first strike against the west, Russia will be wiped out along with the west. There's no IF part about it.

                Yeah, that's right. I agree.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              https://www.wsj.com/articles/under-new-scrutiny-chinas-nuclear-pledge-to-ukraine-11647007200

              >Billions die, and everyone in the west/Russia is reduced to stone age
              Billions is a gross overestimation, and you clearly have no understanding of nuclear warfare theory since you think Russia's weapons would be launched in a counter value manner. Go read a fucking book and you'll understand that there will be a lot of death, but Russia being reduced to the stone age isn't a result of the nuclear weapons themselves, though Russia building it's major CCC elements in it's few major cities won't help that situation, but because the rest of the world will have no sympathy for a population that started a nuclear war and so they will receive no help rebuilding.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Meaningless. China would rather see the US/west disappear from the face of the planet.
              Anon do you have any idea just how co-dependent the US and China are? If the US suddenly disappeared tomorrow then China would be heading back to the 1930s within a week.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                If US/west disappears, then China will usher in the golden age of humanity with China being the only sole power in the world. China lacks a bit of tech but it has more than enough population to power through it. Even if the world is set back by 100 years (which it wont), it will be well worth it for China to see the two main threats go away.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                China is very dependent on the west for everything from food to technology

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Nope. Just bit of food due to inefficiencies in food production/processing, but even then its not too much and plus their population is dwindling too, such that by 2100s, they'll be in 500-700M, and much easier to feed the population.

                If they need food, they'll just shift to market in Africa/take over Russia/US/Europe completely.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                implessive

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                please dont forget that china is full of chinese

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >China would rather see the US/west disappear from the face of the planet.
              China would rather exist than not exist. The first nuke China launches at the west means their total extermination. Chinese are a weak and cowardly people by nature, they'll choose survival.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                The chinese are just smarter than russians. Seeing a real modern war with current tech must have sobered up a lot of warmongers in the CCP. Probably only Xi would risk a Taiwan invasion for ego reasons before he's too old.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              > if China detects nukes anywhere from the Pacific side of things, China will nuke the US.
              Ell oh ell, imagine being this delusional

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Nuclear blackmail cannot and will not be allowed

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Nuclear blackmail is what we had in cold war. US blackmails with nuclear all the time against every country. Russia has more nukes than US. If US feels they don't want to allow other countries the "right" to nukes, first strike is always the option. With first strike, extinction of the nation known as the US is guaranteed.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              moron, you really have no idea what you're talking about, aren't you?

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >With first strike, extinction of the nation known as the US is guaranteed.

              With Second Strike, the extinction of the "nations" known as Russia and China are guaranteed.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Prisoner's dilemma
          >Both actors defect
          >That's not rational
          Are you clinically retarded, you absolute cock-mongler?

          Anyways,
          >Russia nukes Ukraine
          >Gets nuked into oblivion
          That's not rational. If getting nuked means the utter annihilation of the Russian state, then nukes could only be launched by a suicidal madman.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Gets nuked into oblivion
            Unfortunately, we already have gays like macron saying they would not retaliate with nukes. Chances are, everybody else will not.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >And such Russia will push forward with nuking few of the western cities.
          What is it with dumb fucks thinking that nuclear war will be some tit for tat city for city slow burn conflict? The moment russia nukes NATO soil, the entire russian nuclear arsenal will be the target of full blown NATO nuclear strike, with the added bonus of Moscow and St. Peterspurg evaporating in the process.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Russian shills are launching a full court press on PrepHole for some reason.

          >irrational
          What would be irrational is bending to nuclear blackmail, because that guarantees they'll be used again and again until there's no option but a nuclear exchange.
          For some reason 4chanmorons and Russians refuse to understand this very simple fact. Europe has been down the appeasement road before and seen where it leads. It will never go again.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >F

          >Russia surrenders its claim on Ukrainian land
          >Russia withdraws its forces back to pre-2014 borders
          >Russia returns all abducted citizens, especially children
          >Russia deposes the siloviki death cult
          >Russia embraces liberalism and democracy

          This is rational and optimal.

          You won't be nuking shit.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Russia surrenders its claim on Ukrainian land
            >Russia withdraws its forces back to pre-2014 borders
            >Russia returns all abducted citizens, especially children
            >Russia deposes the siloviki death cult
            >Russia embraces liberalism and democracy

            It can happen only if Russia gets totally militarily defeated like Germany in 1945. There's no chance that Russia ever do that peacefully without spitting a sea of blood.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              The only blood that would need to be spilled is Putin's blood. And there's no need to invade Russia. Their ongoing total military defeat in Ukraine would cripple their ability for offensive wars for decades. They even can't help Armenia now, lol

              Russians need to tell themselves whatever bullshit they want like serbians did before, and come back in a decade to beg EU money. There's no other path left for them besides nuclear suicide.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Driven by Copium
          Nice admit in end what your post really is

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >D
          D Is not rational.
          A will happen sooner because the idea that any nuclear power can bully countries without nuclear power freely will only result in more countries getting into the nuke business which will increase the likelihood of nuclear annihilation.
          Ukrainian sovereignty needs to be protected for that future never to happen.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >And such Russia will push forward with nuking few of the western cities.

          And ten minutes later, every last fucking Russian city disappears in a bright flash and a mushroom cloud.

          It's simple you dumb fucking moron. You fire your missiles, we fire ours. And ours are a helluva lot more accurate.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Ukraine negotiates peace

          Ukraine doesn't need peace or negotiations. Ukraine will be fighting until the unconditional surrender of Russia. Russia must be defeated and put down. All other options are unacceptable.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Ukraine coming back to the table is now the vatnik fantasy scenario
          lol, can't even pretend that winning is an option anymore.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          The only option that you think is rational is for Ukraine to negotiate peace, but the problem with that is that it is difficult, or even impossible, to find peace terms in this that would be a win-win, which you'd need to find in order for it to be rational. And viable.

          The reason why is because this conflict is predicated off of Russia trying to take something that isn't thiers. So what compromise could ukraine make that would not involve relinquishing land? Any capitulation on Ukraine's side, is a loss for Ukraine, and incentivises Russia to do this sort of thing again in the future. This is all doubly so when you consider that this conflict is over critical oil fields in donbass and the Crimean coast. Without recapturing those, Ukraine can't get its economy on track, the west will not invest in thier recovery, and Russia will just be invading thier now even weaker and poorer neighbor again in the next 30-50 years because they got what they wanted last time. Thats not a rational outcome, as much as Russia hopes ukraine will just give them the win.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Russia doesn't have the ability to properly defend Kherson anymore. The city is about to get encircled and they're retreating. Russia's initial strategy was to peacefully take over the country and install a new puppet leader in Kyiv, that failed. They tried to make a land bridge by taking the administrative borders of Donbas (something they still have yet to do) all the way to Moldova through the Black/Azov Sea coast and Odesa (which they never made it to) and use Transnistria as a diversion in doing so (which also failed). Now Russia's key strategy is to retreat, defend (aren't they the ones that started the invasion?) and make empty threats on public television.

      Ukraine will lose, all Russia has to do is never give up. Ukraine's population will decrease over the course of the war until they are completely killed or displaced. Russia's population will remain stable even on the battlefield because Russian just retreat without getting surrounded. Also since the fallen are immortalized by the culture there will no regrets for the losses at all.

      Give it 2 more years.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Russia using nuke or nukes.
      >NATO not acting directly to make sure such a thing never happens again.
      Friend, if Russia nukes Nato will attack, that is 100% sure.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, thats my point. When that happens its already too late for both parties.

        But for that scenario to not happen, the only option is for the west to pull back support or not respond to nukes in Ukraine. If Ukraine gets no support from the west with the Russian nukes, they'll be forced to negotiate.

        See

        >If Russia uses nuke the west has literally no other option than a massive conventional response (or their own nukes). It's the only rational option
        And such Russia will push forward with nuking few of the western cities.

        The option is simple.

        >A
        >Russia nukes Ukraine
        >west responds with conventional war
        >Russia nukes west
        >West nukes Russia
        >everyone's dead
        >billions dead
        Thats not rational.

        >B
        >Russia nukes Ukraine
        >west support for Ukraine increases
        >Russia nukes Ukraine few more times
        >Ukraine negotiates peace
        Thats not rational nor not optimal.

        >C
        >Russia nukes Ukraine
        >Ukraine negotiates peace
        Thats not rational nor optimal.

        >D
        >Ukraine negotiates peace
        Rational

        >E
        >Russia doesn't use nuke
        >Russia continues to lose
        >Russia pulls out of Kherson/Crimea/back into Russia
        >Russia surrenders peace
        Driven by Copium

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          My brother in Christ, you should look into assisted suicide, since you clearly are too stupid to figure it out on your own.

          IF russia nukes Ukraine, every single piece of russian military equipment capable of threatening Ukraine gets wiped out by conventional arms operation by NATO

          IF russia nukes NATO for any reason, Moscow and St. P. immediately evaporate.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >nuke exchange will happen between nuclear superpowers
      You mean the US will nuke itself or what? There has been only 1 superpower on this planet since Soviet Union collapsed.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    they'll never use nukes, but if they did, it would be funny to see what the vatnik cope would be
    >"w-well, the US gave them HIMARS, so the next logical step was weapons of mass destruction!!"

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    He's probably dead and she's getting rammed by shitskins in some German refugee center.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      is that orc speak for you came here from 4chan?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        demoralization shills come from Israel, not 4chan

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ukraine will lose, all Russia has to do is never give up. Ukraine's population will decrease over the course of the war until they are completely killed or displaced. Russia's population will remain stable even on the battlefield because Russian just retreat without getting surrounded. Also since the fallen are immortalized by the culture there will no regrets for the losses at all.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >all Russia has to do is never give up
      easier said than done, they'll be rolling uo in T34s soon

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      2 more weeks!

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Putin isn't the one pushing the button. At this juncture, I would assume that even your average vatnik must realize that if somebody so much as sneezes in the direction of a nuke, their entire people will be exterminated like vermin.

    I'd expect Putin to get Gaddafi'd, or even just suffering an FSB-sponsored accident, long before it comes to that. It must also be said though that, once upon a time, I didn't actually believe that they would be retarded enough to actually invade Ukraine, but here we are.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't give a shit how many lame "MUH NOOOOOOKS, SCARY SPOOKY NOOOOOOOOKS, ARE YOU SCARED YET OF MY NOOOOOOOOKS??? OH NO BETTER BACK THE FUCK OFF OR I'M... GONNA... NOOOOOOOOOOOOK" threats vatmorons spam. The moment Russia actually manages to become a convincing threat is the moment they get turned into exotic particles.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >What are Ukraine's chances of winning?

    0% unless NATO gets involved with 10s of thousands of soldiers. But that pretty much guarantees that nukes will fly.

    And I'm pretty sure, it's not russian nukes that will fly first.

    If NATO decides to move in 10s of thousands from Romania and Poland into Ukraine, the minute these troops cross the ukie border, Russians will send cruise missiles into their forces.

    So, even before they reach the fighting they will probably suffer thousands of deaths as they can't stop the Russians from bombarding them.

    And the moment the first NATO warplane or cruise missile enters Russian airspace and hits some military installation, Russian missiles will hit bases in Poland and Romania.

    Russia doesn't need nukes to cause horrific casualties among incoming NATO forces, but that will trigger the 'first strike' doctrine in american policy as significant numbers of US forces will have been killed already.

    Find a flow in my logic.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Russians will send cruise missiles into their forces.
      teeeheeee

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sure, at this point NATO has 10x the amount of long range missiles and aviation. All of Russian military would be destroyed from air before a single HATO troop touches UA ground

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >cruise missiles
      aye, there's the rub

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Find a flow in my logic.
      I can't. It's a discordant, jumbled mess of illogical nonsense strewn together.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Find a flow in my logic
      It is missing but I can find a flaw
      >they can't stop the Russians from bombarding them.

      They can ? Based on russian missile performances against civilian objectives protected by a smaller army with less equipment, fully equipped and prepared NATO troops with air and antiair support would be untouchable. Russia avoids conflict with NATO for a reason.

      I understand being attached to Russia in a somewhat bipolar world. But to think they can do anything against NATO is delusional, both based on this war and based on russian policy of aggression (which , factually, amounts to "attack anyone on our borders who isn't NATO). Not to mention what happened the only time wagnerites attacked American troops ( hundreds of russian victims, one sprained ankle among the yanks)

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Long range HIMARS are sufficient to keep this clown circus going indefinitely if it comes to that, which is the idea.
      https://www.hudson.org/research/17914-transcript-of-pompeo-speech-on-ukraine-and-a-global-alliance-for-freedom

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >tactical nuke left behind in pullout
    >surprise: it's nonfunctional but stuffed with radioactive material
    >Ukes 'capture' it as Russians pull out of Kherson
    >Ivan uses actual tactical nuke(s) on sight, semi-indiscriminately, incurring at least several thousand Ukrainian casualties "to prevent proliferation"
    >Domestically blame traitors and draft dodgers' cowardice and negligence for 'surrendering a nuke'
    >Ukraine actually gains some threat credibility in undecided gaslit Russian public
    >Russians blow damn simultaneously to 'reduce fallout', and incur some more material losses on the Ukrainians
    >impassable, nearly the entire Southern group is sent to double up northeast, or open an entirely new Northern axis threatening Kiev and the western part of the country interior supply lines
    There was no Nuremberg for Sino-Soviet gorillions democided: the Party power structures never went away, just private: Sino-Soviet doctrine always planned around joint first strike on America, and/or intermediate yields against conventional forces. The only question here is if they think they can survive their own people becoming thermonuclear butcher heels of history, and if enough force is on the 'collective west' side (with the will to apply it liberally and early) to forestall that.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The moment Russia threatened nukes even once it became imperative for the wider world to support Ukraine. If Russia is allowed to get what they want because of that threat nuclear belligerence will be the new game plan for world relations. Everyone who can will try to get nukes because nobody will do jack shit to stop you if you can threaten nuclear war and on the other side the only sure deterrent is your own nukes. Threatening nuclear war and the extinction of humanity CANNOT be allowed to be an "I win" button. Use of nuclear weapons MUST be met with a good solid bootfucking by the rest of the world.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Thats neat and all but not realistic.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah yeah "We'll make humanity extinct" with dud nukes that are undoubtedly mostly duds at this point.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Thats's NATO's choice whether they want to head towards that path. Russia will use nuke to get what it wants out of Ukraine. NATO will have a choice to nuke Russia and bring extinction upon NATO/Russia

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            The only choice here is Russia's. Leave Ukraine and no nukes, stay in Ukraine and make their demographic collapse even worse but don't use nukes, or use a nuke and get fucked in the most absurd curb stomp humanity has ever seen as everyone including their "friends" jump on them.

            Again, if Russia dares use a nuke they MUST be crushed. There is no "choice" for the rest of the world after Russia fires one off. Also you need to pull your head out of your ass and realize Russia isn't the Soviet Union. On paper they've got lots of nukes. In reality it's a fair bet only a handful even work anymore and of those many likely can't even launch because Russia is so plagued by unbelievable amounts of corruption.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >If Russia is allowed to get what they want because of that threat nuclear belligerence will be the new game plan for world relations
      Correct. This anon gets it.

      Thats's NATO's choice whether they want to head towards that path. Russia will use nuke to get what it wants out of Ukraine. NATO will have a choice to nuke Russia and bring extinction upon NATO/Russia

      >Thats's NATO's choice
      No, it's Russia's choice: extinction if they usea nuke, or forgetting about their Russian Empire 3.0 bullshit and live as a normal country.

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >What are Ukraine's chances of winning

    Basically a done deal at this point. Russia lost pretty much any hope of even securing a face-saving symbolic victory after Bucha.

    >also what are Russia's chances of using the nukes?

    Increasingly likely by the day because they've basically staked everything on this and defeat at this point would put the Russian state in immediate danger of collapse. Although I don't think the Russians would waste their opportunity with a nuclear attack on Ukraine. That would simply make NATO intervention unavoidable or even cause the alliance to launch a preemptive nuclear strike on Russia. If the Russians decide that Ukraine is worth going nuclear over, they're gonna launch a an all-out surprise attack on NATO

    >Or is Russia's threats empty?

    They have the capacity to actually do it, so it's not zero.

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >people actually think Russia has operational nukes
    They've been stripped of copper wiring and sold for socks

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >A massive First Strike on Russia by NATO and China.
    ftfy

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I do wonder if India and Pakistan will decide to get in on the fun, but NATO and China both doing so will be a glorious moment of strange bedfellows.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      moron, if we launch a First Strike on Russia, China is going to treated as an extension of Russia and be annihilated too. They have literally no way to tell a difference between an American ICBM heading for Harbin and one heading for Vladivostok until it's too late. Even if they did, the backstabbing yellow vermin would likely try to pull a Pearl Harbor and attack a now weakened America without warning so they can be undisputed Masters of the Earth.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Why the fuck would China attack the US when 11% of the world's land mass, that just so happens to sit right on their border, just became literal free real estate? China would be too busy burying its yellow dick in Siberia to do anything to the US.

        NATO eradicating russia as a state is China's wet dream.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Because the Chinese are smart enough to make an immediate statement denouncing Russia and refusing to aid them at the very least the moment that cork pops. It's actually in their best interest to not just denounce Russia, but make it clear they'll actively aid in it's subjugation. The benefits from doing so are massive and even include the potential to gain a lot of land.

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    100%
    50%
    Russia is finished either way.

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Russia will use nukes, ukraine will lose and get regime change and the west will fold like a bitch . Why you ask , its because this war is not an existential threat of west, namely amerimutts. Its a war happening halfway across the world and amerimutts playing their retarded foreign policy where it shouldnt will only last for so long.
    Nato trannies from discord seething due to hormonal imbalance about how nuclear blackmail le bad! doesnt change the fact that US politicians and policy makers have backroom daily meetings with their biggest supporters aka Wall street giants . This current period is peak for US, people from all over the world would rather settle in US, empower their economy make more money flow in. No matter how much discord trannies delude themselves US wont give it all up just to avenge some irrlevant east euro shithole which didnt even exist untill 9 months ago before western media made them famous .

    That being said, keeping appearance and impotent seething goes a long way so we might see NATO blowing up some russian ship or two. Wouldnt matter because Putin would have already won,he wont escalate ,Kremlin will weave a propaganda story of accident like someone smoking in magazine room or something lol and russian will cope with that.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Lol, literally everything you said is wrong.
      Your coping is hilarious.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Well, I guess we're going to find out.
        Although you should pray fervently that you don't.

        [...]
        You are literally watching your dreams go to ash in front of your eyes, and instead of waking up to Russian impotence, you weave ever more fantastic ones.
        Amazing.

        >y-you are W-WRONG!! wwwaaaaaaaaahhh uncle joee plweasee nuke the big bad monke 🙁

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >>i-i am RIGHT!! wwwaaaaaaaaahhh big monke plweasee nuke the big bad dark brandon 🙁

          Lol, you start crying first. Also how many of your predictions for the war have been wrong so far? I bet you've been on here for 9 months saying the West won't do things it immediately does, right? Like sanctions on Russia's central bank and SWIFT and artillery and tanks and long range missiles? Right? I bet you anything you specifically predicted the west would not do those things.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            not really tbh west just loooves to santoooon anything that sneezes even wrong at them but nooks are not in their playbook hasnt been since cold war. Guess we will both see for ourselves what happens because it is unprecedented

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Nice projection bro

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Well, I guess we're going to find out.
      Although you should pray fervently that you don't.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >its because this war is not an existential threat of west
      But giving into nuclear blackmail is, cyka. That's why we never will. The second we become convinced you're going to NOOOOOOK is the second the launch orders get sent. Better to start the fight ourselves than wait for the first punch.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >this war is not an existential threat of west
      Neither is for Russia, so they won't use nukes. And if Putin tries to do it for some retarded reason, it will be kiled before, because then the West would be forced to destroy Russia for real, instead of simply stopping russian imperial ambition.

      Nukes are only useful as a last resort weapon against annihilation. Their offensive use or as black mail means only suicide. That's why nukes haven't been used even between countries like Pakistan and India.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Neither is for Russia, so they won't use nukes. And if Putin tries to do it for some retarded reason, it will be kiled before
        Putin dies if he admits defeat, public choice theory, gangster etc etc
        it's like asking if the cartel would use a nuke?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Putin dies if he admits defeat
          He better cook something he can sell to russians, because their military defeat is unavoidable, and "scalate to descalate" is not going to work

          https://i.imgur.com/wHrI3O6.jpg

          tucker carlson is the biggest right wing show in america and he keeps talking shit about zelensky
          the conservative voting base doesnt give a fuck about the Donbas and would rather appease putin than risk their comfortable lives being ruined

          US republicans usually do what Fox News tells them, but in this case is not so clear cut. Plenty of boomers that remember the Cold War like to see Russia btfo

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Plenty of boomers that remember the Cold War like to see Russia btfo
            most of them dont think nuclear war is a real possibility, total denial
            most people that take the threat seriously want to avoid it, except the institutionalized liberals

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I sorta doubt that it happens; but at this point I just wish Russia would go ahead and do it so we can see them destroyed in front of the entire world.

      I just wanna spend the next year on 4chan watching losers like seethe.

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    it would make sense for Russia to let the Zaporizhzhia reactor go critical and chernobyl europe and say "oops"

    at first it will probably be a "minor" radiation leak on October 31st to be extra spooooooky

    mid term elections are only about a week after that and Putin knows the conservative voting base wants ukraine to sign a peace deal

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/putins-nuclear-paradigm/

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >the conservative voting base wants ukraine to sign a peace deal
      Lol, no.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        tucker carlson is the biggest right wing show in america and he keeps talking shit about zelensky
        the conservative voting base doesnt give a fuck about the Donbas and would rather appease putin than risk their comfortable lives being ruined

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          You're talking about MAGApedes, not traditional conservatives

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >You're talking about MAGApedes, not traditional conservatives
            i said the conservative voting base in America
            institutional liberals are basically hardline conservatives more than media labeled conservatives

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Tucker Carlson is a fag and only the most braindead retards are still watching cable news of any kind these days.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Tucker Carlson is a fag and only the most braindead retards are still watching cable news of any kind these days.
            only the most braindead retards vote

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I do. Terms of the deal is Russia returns all Ukrainian clay, pays tribute to Ukraine monthly, knocks off the belligerence, and stops attacking their neighbors. Accept deal or Ukraine gets newer toys and lots of them.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          that would be suicidal for Putin
          just as much as you cant give into nuclear blackmail you also cant back a nuclear power into a corner

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >that would be suicidal for Putin
            He should kill himself. He could be an hero. The greatest in this whole war.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >He should kill himself
              he should do a lot of things but that doesn't mean he will

              Putin is not a nuclear power.
              And it's an open question to what extent Russia is.

              However, I find it fascinating to see the extent of russian cynicism. If the 'evil hegemonic west' was - I'm not eveng going to say half as evil as they paint it in propaganda - if the west was playing by the same set of moral rules as Russia does (that is to say, none whatsoever), Russia would have been deleted long ago because the cost would have been judged acceptable.

              >Putin is not a nuclear power.
              ass pull

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >putin's anal plug is made of plutonium
                I can sort of believe that tbh

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Putin is not a nuclear power.
            And it's an open question to what extent Russia is.

            However, I find it fascinating to see the extent of russian cynicism. If the 'evil hegemonic west' was - I'm not eveng going to say half as evil as they paint it in propaganda - if the west was playing by the same set of moral rules as Russia does (that is to say, none whatsoever), Russia would have been deleted long ago because the cost would have been judged acceptable.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >if the west was playing by the same set of moral rules as Russia does (that is to say, none whatsoever), Russia would have been deleted long ago
              Indeed. Russia would have been balkanized or wiped out in the 90s. Instead we left them on their own, with the EU prosecuting a mutually beneficial Ostpolitik to make things better. Reportedly even the US helped them at some point against chechens.

              But nope, they had to go full retard with their Russian Empire 3.0 bullshit and now they're going to pay the price of their betrayal, ending as a minor nation with their shit pushed in by Turkey and China.

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    whats the best place in Finland to hide from NOOKS?
    are the bunkers in helsinki actually legit? metro stations?
    asking for a friend

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Russia will lose and be humiliated and your sisters and daughters will be $5 fucktoys for western tourists.
    Nothing can prevent this future you chose.
    >kermit.jpg

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >What are Ukraine's chances of winning
    100% if winning means Russia withdrawing from most or all occupied territories. No idea how long it takes but finally it will happen.

    > and also what are Russia's chances of using the nukes? Or is Russia's threats empty?
    Chances are low because it would be stupid and not help to win this war. It might even trigger a NATO response. Russia would not survive this.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Russia would not survive this.
      Putin wont survive backing down. So you're counting on a coup by a non-hardliner????

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Putin is the only one who can't escape a defeat (so far), all others even those russian TV propaganda assholes can bullshit their way out or just retire from public view at worst.
        Russians killing Putin is the easiest and most profitable way to end the war for everybody. But that's the problem: it needs to be russians.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Russians killing Putin is the easiest and most profitable way to end the war for everybody. But that's the problem: it needs to be russians.
          ok but totalitarian systems of control are just that, totalitarian, so how can you gamble on that?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >what are poor vatniks to do?
            Die trying to kill Putin, or die in nuclear fire. I'm fine with both.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >die in nuclear fire
              k so you're fine with a major setback to the western democracies?
              nuclear war is like the most unpredictable chaotic thing imaginable so i wouldn't be so sure that even your culture or institutions would survive

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >ever submit to russia's demands
                >risk nuclear holocaust

                You know what, bring it.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'm fine with that if it comes with the extermination of Russia and China, which it will.

                k but you realize we're supposed to live in a democracy and probably less than 50 percent of people are zealous as you are?

                https://i.imgur.com/xJyO3wE.jpg

                My bets are on some kind of civil war in russia,
                russian propaganda can no longer pretend everything is going according to plan.
                Putin will be seen as weak leader. This will result in some kind of power struggle in Moscow. Simply because russians don't like weak leaders. So several russian "strong men" try to seize power. To back up their claim they need armed men in russia. An army fighting in Ukraine is of no use in this scenario.

                >My bets are on some kind of civil war in russia,
                i think it's wishful thinking anon, technology makes coups hard and russians are already chronically ill to a large degree, lacking resources
                >So several russian "strong men" try to seize power
                likely to be even more likely to NOOOK than putin
                >An army fighting in Ukraine is of no use in this scenario.
                except to save face

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'm fine with that if it comes with the extermination of Russia and China, which it will.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Shit or get off the pot.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                yeah dude it's just nuclear war, fuck it

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's called "calling your bluff" friendsky.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                would you call the bluff of a rabid doge?
                >what are you gonna do? bite me?!
                we might have leaders that are literally calling eachothers bluff

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Russia may be rabid, but as far as dogs go it's proven itself to be a mere chihuahua.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >god made man, samuel colt made him equal
                technology in general, nukes are too OP for human nature

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Why would I "call the bluff of a rabid doge"? If I see a dog that I suspect of having rabies, I will shoot it immediately.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I will shoot it immediately.
                k but in this scenario you dont have a gun and instead you and the rabid dog are wearing S-Vests

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Stop making up retarded scenarios that make no fucking sense.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >that make no fucking sense.
                like pushing a nuclear power into a corner?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Fuck russia. 🙂

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                k, it's worth it then!

                Nobody has pushed Russia into a corner, they can leave at any time. Russia has pushed the USA into a corner though, and they should start acting with a bit more caution.

                >Ukraine, the poorest country in Europe, has pushed Russia into a corner?
                Jesus christ, as bravely as Ukrainian soldiers have fought that shouldn't take away from Nato support, and also the fact that Ukraine is perceived as poor just reinforces the fact that Putin cannot backdown not matter what from his perspective!

                You mean the missiles that loop around and strike the launchers?

                You mean the missiles that loop around and strike the launchers?
                *oh you mean like pic related??????*

                >pushing a nuclear power into a corner
                That's not what's happening. It's leader and his failed invasion of a country is being pushed back, nothing more.

                yeah except he has a nuclear option to gamble the entire fate of humanity with, unlike hitler
                fun fact: hitler thought the atom bomb was "too barbaric"

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >yeah except he has a nuclear option to gamble the entire fate of humanity with, unlike hitler
                Cool, if he's that butthurt about losing he can fire his nooks
                And we will kill every last russian on the planet.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >And we will kill every last russian on the planet.
                we're all probably going to die and the institutional oligarchs will inherit the earth from their bunkers and doomsday planes
                good job supporting elite depopulation

                >it's worth it then!
                Unironically yes.

                alright man, if you say nuclear war is worth it, i guess, wow, you must be right?!?!

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >alright man, if you say nuclear war is worth it, i guess, wow, you must be right?!?!
                Better nuclear war than foreign military occupation you fucking quisling.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Better nuclear war than foreign military occupation you fucking quisling.
                >dude just get nuked you fucking pussy
                OH YEAH THE DONBAS IS TOTALLY WORTH IT BRO, TRUST ME
                The earth is fucked and both you and me know it and the only hope for humanity is a technological race, hitting a hard reset button right now is not fucking rational or reasonable.

                >we're all probably going to die and the institutional oligarchs will inherit the earth from their bunkers and doomsday planes
                Good luck with that with Russian quality hardware lol lmao XD

                >Good luck with that with Russian quality hardware lol lmao XD
                yeah missile tests dont mean shit, youre right?

                >except PUTIN CANT, he'll literally fucking die if he tries to?!?!
                Nonsense, if Kim-Jun-Un can starve 90% of his nation half to death then Putin can back away from this confrontation.

                >if Kim-Jun-Un can starve 90% of his nation half to death
                HMM ARE STARVING PEASANTS IN A POSITION TO OVERTHROW THEIR POWERFUL ELITE?!??!?!?!?!?!

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >hitting a hard reset button right now is not fucking rational or reasonable

                Well don't nuke Ukraine then

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >please be reasonable and let us genocide the ukrainians
                No. F16s and Abrams next year, by the way. We will help the Ukrainians grind you into the dirt and if you nook, we'll finally have an excuse to join in.

                Surrender or die, subhuman.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >OH YEAH THE DONBAS IS TOTALLY WORTH IT BRO, TRUST ME
                No, but America IS worth it you fucking gay. If all it takes for you to give a foreign nation any territory they want is for them to threaten nukes then you're nothing but a collaborating traitor who'd rather see our nation occupied by Russia rather than fight for it.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >HMM ARE STARVING PEASANTS IN A POSITION TO OVERTHROW THEIR POWERFUL ELITE?!??!?!?!?!?
                Fucking car bomb him lol. Why are you vatniks so incompetent at fucking everything?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                do you realize you're contradicting yourself?
                If the elite is threatened by the people, then the people can get them to back down.
                If the elite is safe from the people then the elite can back down at its leisure and maintain its status.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >If the elite is safe from the people then the elite can back down at its leisure and maintain its status.
                hardliners, putin, surrounded himself with

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                If Putin has nothing to fear from his boyards or people, he would already get the fuck out of Ukraine and told a bullshit propaganda story to cover his ass.
                The fact that he doubled down after the initial disaster proves he's afraid and it can happen.
                Q.E.D

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                "hardliners" can still have a change of heart; or children abroad.

                I'm quite at peace with the outcome either way. Surrendering to nuclear blackmail would guarantee more of it further down the line and the balance would only get worse if the world learned that it works and is worth investing into.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Surrendering to nuclear blackmail would guarantee more of it further down the line and the balance would only get worse if the world learned that it works and is worth investing into.
                or delay it 6-12 months while increasing the survivability of our populations.. instead of just continuing the just in time delivery supply lines and consumption

                >Instead the elite are just accepting 30-70 percent of their citizenry starving or being irradiated to death.
                I'd say maybe 2% at most will die.

                >I'd say maybe 2% at most will die.
                absolute pure delusion.. look at the increased mortality in relation to recessions, covid
                same liberals that wanted to lock down for a 2 percent chance of death for fucking covid are now the ones gambling a coin flip on nuclear RUSSIAN ROULETTE
                it's not just western citizens dying but all the starving Africans and shit

                >Record excess deaths in Europe

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                glow harder you filthy fucking spook

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >we're all probably going to die and the institutional oligarchs will inherit the earth from their bunkers and doomsday planes
                Good luck with that with Russian quality hardware lol lmao XD

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >it's worth it then!
                Unironically yes.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Nobody has pushed Russia into a corner, they can leave at any time. Russia has pushed the USA into a corner though, and they should start acting with a bit more caution.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Nobody has pushed Russia into a corner, they can leave at any time. Russia has pushed the USA into a corner though, and they should start acting with a bit more caution.
                the real human being, putin, is literally being pushing into a corner right now..
                lose and die or NOOOOK

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Ukraine, the poorest country in Europe, has pushed Russia into a corner?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >pushing a nuclear power into a corner
                That's not what's happening. It's leader and his failed invasion of a country is being pushed back, nothing more.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Show anything military that Russia has done competently and I'll agree that they have a nuclear arsenal. So far everything I've seen them do indicates they're retarded and incapable of any sort of military competence and no evidence to suggest they have the ability to maintain a nuclear arsenal at all, let alone on a fraction of the US budget.

                Their armoured corps is shit. Their artillery is shit. Their infantry is beyond shit. Their special forces are shit and also got paradropped directly into a fucking lake. Their air force is shit. Their navy is so shit they lost their FLAGSHIP to a country that DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A NAVY. Why would I think their nuclear arsenal is somehow not shit?

                Show anything competent that they've done with their military.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Show anything competent that they've done with their military.
                missile tests

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                You mean the missiles that loop around and strike the launchers?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                You don't want to go down this path.
                Rabid dogs are put down and Russia trying to intimidate world by larping as one it is invitation for first striking it YESTERDAY or risking being first striked tomorrow.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                A rabid animal doesn't bluff but Russians sure do. Russia isn't rabid, it's just run by "strong man" idiots that occasionally need to be put in their place. If Puticakes does do the dumbest thing of his career he surely will be put down like a rabid animal though.

                Most of the west is probably ready for it at this point having had months since the invasion and even the first nuke threats to prepare and all of their forces are fresh. Meanwhile Russia's stockpile of everything it needs to not get buttfucked by another nation for a change is dwindling being used up in Ukraine delaying the inevitable.

                Show anything military that Russia has done competently and I'll agree that they have a nuclear arsenal. So far everything I've seen them do indicates they're retarded and incapable of any sort of military competence and no evidence to suggest they have the ability to maintain a nuclear arsenal at all, let alone on a fraction of the US budget.

                Their armoured corps is shit. Their artillery is shit. Their infantry is beyond shit. Their special forces are shit and also got paradropped directly into a fucking lake. Their air force is shit. Their navy is so shit they lost their FLAGSHIP to a country that DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A NAVY. Why would I think their nuclear arsenal is somehow not shit?

                Show anything competent that they've done with their military.

                They sent a bunch of their fighting age men to die pretty competently, but I get the feeling that was unintentional.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Putin's Russia is not nearly as totalitarian as the URSS or even current China. The state has a mafia structure with loyalty enforced by black mail, not ideology.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >loyalty enforced by black mail
              they have some degree of surveillance and censorship, certainly among those with any power
              I find it "interesting" that simultaneously people are mocking Russians but then expect them to pull off the greatest coup of modern history, and not to mention the hardliners surrounding Putin like sharks teeth ready to take his position and do even worse.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Comparing the Russian government to a mafia is genuinely unfair to mafias.
              A mafia cultivates a culture of fraternity and community among its members; they don't call it a "family" for nothing. Betraying one's fellows for personal profit is one of the most vile, disgusting things you can do in their eyes; to Russian bureaucrats on the other hand, it's just another Tuesday.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Nah, that's how the mob and the mafia works in the real world outside movies. Putin has been playing as a mafia Capo di tutti capi for 20 years, playing factions against each other or as an arbiter. A literal czar with his boyards.
                There must be a fuckton of them that would love to kill him if they could get away with it.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Is it just me or is Big Bro unironically more photogenic than Putin these days?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Russians killing Putin is the easiest and most profitable way to end the war for everybody. But that's the problem: it needs to be russians.

          The only blood that would need to be spilled is Putin's blood. And there's no need to invade Russia. Their ongoing total military defeat in Ukraine would cripple their ability for offensive wars for decades. They even can't help Armenia now, lol

          Russians need to tell themselves whatever bullshit they want like serbians did before, and come back in a decade to beg EU money. There's no other path left for them besides nuclear suicide.

          >The only blood that would need to be spilled is Putin's blood. And there's no need to invade Russia.

          You don't understand it, guys. I'm Russian and I'm telling you: there is zero chance of that. Not even 0,00001%, but actual 0%. It's impossible to carry out any kind of revolution, revolt or a simple riot from the inside of Russia. The last our chance was at the Bolotnaya square 11 years ago. But now all is lost. All the political opposition leaders are either dead or imprisoned or left the country. The ones who don't support Putin are frightened and disunited, they'd rather flee or hide than try to fight anybody. While he's surrounded by absolutely loyal people to him, the FSB, the FSO and the National Guard will always be on his side. 2 million of professional killers who are better trained, better equipped and better armed than the actual Russian army are ready to do whatever it takes to defend the president of Russia from his people. Thus now the only thing that can overthrow Putin is a US marine division taking over Moscow.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why not? Ukrainians charged into Russian sniper fire at Maidan to overthrow the oligarchs.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >to overthrow the oligarchs

              That's the point. They were overthrowing the oligarchs and a retarded pro-russian thief Yanukovich who had no balls and gave up after the first hundred of dead protesters, not the megalomaniac psychopath who would go to the end and kill 100 million Russian without a doubt if it could help him to remain in power. Putin is not the same as Yanukovich or Gorbachev. He's the same as Hitler and Pol Pot.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Hitler rode around in an open top Mercedes surrounded by massive unvetted crowds in an age where private gun ownership was still common in Germany, if the German people wanted him gone he would have died in the 1930s.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Then die as you get drafted to get mowed down by Western weapons in Ukraine.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              I'm unfit for military service. So most likely I'll be vaporized by a Minuteman's or Triden's warhead exploding over my town.

              You need to understand something tyrants everywhere need to understand. You don't need a movement, you need one man with good aim and a rifle. Politicians are squishy pink things and they still die when shot no matter how much security and pomp they surround themselves with. You can stop a lot but not everything. All it takes is one lucky bullet.

              He's the best-guarded person in the world. A random person has no chance to get to him within a distance of a rifle shot. You'll get killed over 9000 times by his guards if you try anything like that.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                You'll unfortunately be just fine unless your town happens to be Moscow.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                My town has much higher chance of getting nuked (and likely by more than one nuke) than Moscow. There's a strategic missiles forces base with SS-29 missiles in it. Also, a nuclear enrichment facility and 4 large factories producing weapons (firearms, explosives, planes and missiles) and military gear (sights, night vision equipment and other optics). Also, a research facility with samples of deadly viruses including soviet bioweapons.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Nice, so you have it coming.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You need to understand something tyrants everywhere need to understand. You don't need a movement, you need one man with good aim and a rifle. Politicians are squishy pink things and they still die when shot no matter how much security and pomp they surround themselves with. You can stop a lot but not everything. All it takes is one lucky bullet.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Well in that case we're going to see how deep do his, and his decrepit demented kgb fossil friends', convictions truly go.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Of course the russian population is cucked, but a palace coup is still possible. Anybody can be loyal while they're not sent to die in Ukraine and still get paid. But with every military setback, Putin loses more and more streed cred and the money will stop flowing as before. At some point the boyards will try to strike at the czar if he becomes too weak or attempts national suicide with nukes.
            All mob bosses end the same way, and Putin is no exception.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        My bets are on some kind of civil war in russia,
        russian propaganda can no longer pretend everything is going according to plan.
        Putin will be seen as weak leader. This will result in some kind of power struggle in Moscow. Simply because russians don't like weak leaders. So several russian "strong men" try to seize power. To back up their claim they need armed men in russia. An army fighting in Ukraine is of no use in this scenario.

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    life aint a videogame

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Rishi Sunak already made the UK got back into the EU
      based and poopilled

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    mummmmmy will inherit the earth

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    100% chance that Ukraine wins.
    30% chance that Russia uses a nuke.

    Using a nuke will not change the outcome. It will just make Russia suffer even worse when they lose.

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ukraine has no incentive to seek a negotiated peace outside of total restoration of pre-2014 borders when the Russian military has proven itself to be such a joke. Putin has lost all leverage, Russia was a paper tiger that believed its own lies and suffered the consequences for it.

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Daily reminder that anybody saying "You have to let Russia get what they want because NOOKS!" is a quisling who would gladly sell out their own country to a foreign occupier.

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The fact that Russia even with all its nook threats still hasn't bothered to "test" a nuke in Siberia or somewhere else as a warning shows that either they have no intention of following through with the threat, or even worse, they don't have enough nukes to pull off even a small show of force.

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ukraine CAN'T accept a partial victory, they have a strong claim to all of their pre-2014 territory and the support of all NATO, and their population would never accept going back to the way things are post-2014 after Russia invaded them and behaved like a bunch of savage Orcs.

    NATO CAN'T back away from Ukraine, doing so would be an invitation to encroach upon the rest of Europe, appeasement is a strategy that has never worked. If Russia uses a nuke, NATO's only choice will be a decapitation nuclear strike against the entire Russian nuclear arsenal.

    The ball is in Russia's court. They started this war and they can choose to stop it at any time, but they will lose all of their Ukrainian territories, that much is absolutely certain. Whether they choose to lose all of Russia as well is up to them.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >They started this war and they can choose to stop it at any time
      except PUTIN CANT, he'll literally fucking die if he tries to?!?!
      do you guys not see the NUCLEAR CONUNDRUM we're in?!??!?!?!?!?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >except PUTIN CANT, he'll literally fucking die if he tries to?!?!
        Nonsense, if Kim-Jun-Un can starve 90% of his nation half to death then Putin can back away from this confrontation.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Sure, but the west can't fold just because Putin is retarded enough to put himself in that position. We can't have a rule of "power by stupidity"

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Sure, but the west can't fold just because Putin is retarded enough to put himself in that position. We can't have a rule of "power by stupidity"
          Western elites could appease Putin and ease up on their technological cartel behavior that keeps us vulnerable to NOOKS.. they fucked up so early on by thinking it was a good idea to lay a trap for Putin, now theyve pushed him to nuclear blackmail and put themselves into a position where they themselves cant back down. Appeasement should have happened already but it's still better to try that than just saying "lol just fucking N000K us lol" now

          More rational than "we're losing but let us win and commit genocide, murder children, torture innocent civilians, etc., or we nooooooooooooook"

          holy shit dude, you might be more rational than Putin, wow good job? I guess that means everything is going to be OK?!?

          Or he gets on his mega-yacht and fucks off to some random part of the world where he won't immediately get killed by his old buddies and resigns while there.

          >Or he gets on his mega-yacht and fucks off to some random part of the world where he won't immediately get killed by his old buddies and resigns while there.
          yeah because Nato would allow that? im all for Putin getting his own island if he doesn't NOOK but you're being so overly optimistic it's not even funny

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            > I guess that means everything is going to be OK?!?
            yeah
            your forces are dying
            ukraine is driving you back
            you're losing an entire generation of young men
            finland and sweden are joining NATO, ukraine will too the instant russia surrenders
            you will never be able to attack europe ever again

            you are weak and we are strong

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >strawman

              >Appeasement should have happened already
              Why? It never worked in the past.

              >Why? It never worked in the past.
              Technology wasn't progressing as quickly and there weren't literal doomsday devices. The west is not prepared for nuclear war and it would be better to delay the onset at least until everything is set in place for the highest survivability. Instead the elite are just accepting 30-70 percent of their citizenry starving or being irradiated to death.

              It did work well for Hitler, it allowed him to gain a lot of stock and production capacity without firing a single shot.

              Oh right you mean it doesn't work for the appeaser. Well sucks to be them.

              >It did work well for Hitler, it allowed him to gain a lot of stock and production capacity without firing a single shot.
              USA waited years to invade europe.

              >Like I said, it's better for the western institutional oligarchs to let off their technological cartel so we are no so vulnerable to NOOKS then and we can prepare for doomsday instead of this shit. There are new frontiers available to humanity that could offset the NOOK threat. Right now is a shit time for it to happen.
              It'd be a shit time for Putin as well, hence why he won't do it.

              >It'd be a shit time for Putin as well, hence why he won't do it.
              a lot of assumptions for a gamble on nuclear annihilation

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Instead the elite are just accepting 30-70 percent of their citizenry starving or being irradiated to death.
                I'd say maybe 2% at most will die.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >The west is not prepared for nuclear war
                Nobody is "prepared" for nuclear war. That's the point of it, and why Russia won't use nukes first. Putin is bluffing and gambling trying to scare normie westerners and politicians.
                But he and western militaries know is bullshit and suicide.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Nobody is "prepared" for nuclear war.
                except rich people in switzerland and new zealand
                more fallout shelters could be built, public stockpiles of medication, food
                least you could ask for from the people sleepwalking you into Armageddon with all the high taxes and shit?

                >you'd be the first to die if it happened
                Then I'll be too dead to care.

                >Then I'll be too dead to care.
                more like hungry

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >more like hungry
                The Russians aren't gonna nuke the crops

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                yeah theyll just give you instacancer, no worries

                >more like hungry
                So I'll survive, great!

                alright man that's cool im glad you feel like it's no big deal

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >more like hungry
                So I'll survive, great!

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >rich people in switzerland and new zealand
                Delusional and insecure morons. Without cities and trade there's no civilization, and those 2 countries would go back to subsistence farming at best, where "rich people" would no longer be actually rich anymore. Rich assholes are the ones with more to lose in a nuclear war, and they already subvert goverments just to earn a little more each year in their greed.

                Those rich refuges are only useful to temporaly avoid conventional wars or civil strife, nothing more.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Those rich refuges are only useful to temporaly avoid conventional wars or civil strife, nothing more.
                BS, also they have all their yachts and private planes. Watch flight radar as the nukes go off lol, just like the days leading up to the invasion. The goal is for them to survive 6 months. Some of them might even be crazy enough to want nuclear war or think it's literally nbd.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >yachts and private planes
                Which are useless without the maintenance of a functional country and its ports and airports.
                >survive 6 months
                Surviving for 6 months is useless after a nuclear war that would vaporize all their riches and places of power were they earn it. They would become nothing but useless idiots at the mercy of their security details. Having a hideout for rough times is okay, pretending it would be their salvation in a global nuclear war is delusional.

                Interestingly, I bet russian nuke scares are also directed at those people to make them influence their goverments.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >BS, also they have all their yachts and private planes
                The moment armageddon happens, their private guards kill them and take their shit. After all, there's no government anymore and it's free for all.

                Underground bunkers? Get walled off for the lols.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >their private guards kill them and take their shit
                yeah because they only hardcore communists as their security
                >After all, there's no government anymore
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuity_of_government
                >elaborate continuity of government plans blah blah blah reagan jfk etc etc

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                If you think only "communist" security guards would kill their masters once there was no real country anymore, you're very naive.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Appeasement should have happened already
            Why? It never worked in the past.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              It did work well for Hitler, it allowed him to gain a lot of stock and production capacity without firing a single shot.

              Oh right you mean it doesn't work for the appeaser. Well sucks to be them.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                And this is why NATO is never going to appease Putin.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Or he gets on his mega-yacht and fucks off to some random part of the world where he won't immediately get killed by his old buddies and resigns while there.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Actually, why do you think Putin would die?
        Have you actually considered his options?

        He could very easily come out in public tv and said that what he did was wrong and that he wishes to set everything right. You make him sound like a sockpuppet of some satanic cult that would slaughter him the moment he stood up to them.

        But if that were the case, the same would apply to his "handlers". They also have good reasons to not want to die in nuclear fire, and you can be 100% sure that if it came to worst, they WOULD die.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >You make him sound like a sockpuppet of some satanic cult that would slaughter him the moment he stood up to them.
          he surrounded himself with hardliners to insulate himself and make assassination less palpable to western leaders.. if putin dies the next guy might be even more likely to NOOOOK

          >hitting a hard reset button right now is not fucking rational or reasonable

          Well don't nuke Ukraine then

          >Well don't nuke Ukraine then
          oh shit dude Putin was "wrong" i guess that means it's ok to let him nuke us!

          https://i.imgur.com/mi1lwhy.png

          >please be reasonable and let us genocide the ukrainians
          No. F16s and Abrams next year, by the way. We will help the Ukrainians grind you into the dirt and if you nook, we'll finally have an excuse to join in.

          Surrender or die, subhuman.

          Nato is going to back off a bit on supply because IT'S THEIR AGENDA TO PROLONG THE WAR AS LONG AS POSSIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!
          https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_briefs/RB10000/RB10014/RAND_RB10014.pdf
          >Providing lethal aid to Ukraine would exploit
          Russia’s greatest point of external vulnerability. But any increase in U.S. military arms and advice to Ukraine would need to be carefully calibrated to increase the costs to Russia of sustaining its existing commitment without provoking a much wider conflict in which Russia, by reason of proximity, would have significant advantages.

          >OH YEAH THE DONBAS IS TOTALLY WORTH IT BRO, TRUST ME
          No, but America IS worth it you fucking gay. If all it takes for you to give a foreign nation any territory they want is for them to threaten nukes then you're nothing but a collaborating traitor who'd rather see our nation occupied by Russia rather than fight for it.

          >If all it takes for you to give a foreign nation any territory they want is for them to threaten nukes then you're nothing but a collaborating traitor who'd rather see our nation occupied by Russia rather than fight for it.
          Like I said, it's better for the western institutional oligarchs to let off their technological cartel so we are no so vulnerable to NOOKS then and we can prepare for doomsday instead of this shit. There are new frontiers available to humanity that could offset the NOOK threat. Right now is a shit time for it to happen.

          >HMM ARE STARVING PEASANTS IN A POSITION TO OVERTHROW THEIR POWERFUL ELITE?!??!?!?!?!?
          Fucking car bomb him lol. Why are you vatniks so incompetent at fucking everything?

          >Fucking car bomb him lol. Why are you vatniks so incompetent at fucking everything?
          they tried something similar and they would have to take out the whole institution because PUTIN SURROUNDED HIMSELF WITH HARDLINERS ON PURPOSE TO MAKE ASSASSINATION LESS PALATABLE

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Like I said, it's better for the western institutional oligarchs to let off their technological cartel so we are no so vulnerable to NOOKS then and we can prepare for doomsday instead of this shit. There are new frontiers available to humanity that could offset the NOOK threat. Right now is a shit time for it to happen.
            It'd be a shit time for Putin as well, hence why he won't do it.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Nato is going to back off a bit on supply because IT'S THEIR AGENDA TO PROLONG THE WAR AS LONG AS POSSIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!
            Sounds like it's in Russia's interest to peace out and return Ukraine's territory ASAP then.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Sounds like it's in Russia's interest to peace out and return Ukraine's territory ASAP then.
              what about Putin's interest in not being executed?

              If Putin has nothing to fear from his boyards or people, he would already get the fuck out of Ukraine and told a bullshit propaganda story to cover his ass.
              The fact that he doubled down after the initial disaster proves he's afraid and it can happen.
              Q.E.D

              >The fact that he doubled down after the initial disaster proves he's afraid and it can happen.
              i think he's afraid his own inner circle might "replace" him?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >what about Putin's interest in not being executed?
                He can at least save his soul by trying to stop the unjust war he started.

                You keep assuming he's going to be executed. But by whom exactly? The mysterious "hardliners"? That's just an excuse.
                He can still make choices for himself, even if that was at stake.

                And in the end, how many lives would you personally be willing to sacrifice to save yourself from death? One? Ten? Million?
                I can tell you that there are many people that would rather die themselves than to cause an innocent to die. Some are even prepared to do that even as a part of their day job. Make of that what you will.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >He can at least save his soul by trying to stop the unjust war he started.
                lets gamble Armageddon on someone wanting to save their soul?
                >You keep assuming he's going to be executed. But by whom exactly? The mysterious "hardliners"? That's just an excuse.
                It doesn't even matter if it's a credible threat because all that matters is PUTIN'S PERCEPTION. YOURE TRUSTING PUTIN RIGHT NOW!! MORE THAN ME!!!!!!!! Stalin was fucking paranoid as fuck, probably exceedingly so. Putin might be fucking paranoid as all fucking hell and could try to initiate dooms-fucking-day. It's too much power, you cant treat it like a fucking game of civilization.
                >And in the end, how many lives would you personally be willing to sacrifice to save yourself from death? One? Ten? Million?
                What kind of fucking moralfagging is this? YEAH DUDE IT'S WORTH IT TO FUCKING SACRIFICE HALF THE WEST FOR THE FUCKING *********DONBAS*************
                Nuclear blackmail is already a fucking thing and the only counter is to prepare your population for it and to allow them more access to technological frontiers so we're not all as vulnerable as we are. MORE LIVES SAVED THAT WAY.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's not for the Dombass, dumbass. It's to avoid Russia getting away with an imperial war of conquest that threatens the EU and ultimately breaking western hegemony if it has no answer.

                The US raped Iraq just to send a message about arabs using anything but dollars for oil trade, and you think they're going to allow a new Russian Empire again? You're naive as those EU politicians that were bought or subverted by russians.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >YEAH DUDE IT'S WORTH IT TO FUCKING SACRIFICE HALF THE WEST FOR THE FUCKING *********DONBAS*************
                Your stupid vatnik brain can't comprehend that it is not just about Ukraine. Unless russia is eviscerated right now, it will be Estonia next, then the rest of the Baltics... and so forth.

                These concepts and more have been brought up ad nauseum through this thread and the retard just refuses to understand it.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >YEAH DUDE IT'S WORTH IT TO FUCKING SACRIFICE HALF THE WEST FOR THE FUCKING *********DONBAS*************
                Your stupid vatnik brain can't comprehend that it is not just about Ukraine. Unless russia is eviscerated right now, it will be Estonia next, then the rest of the Baltics... and so forth.

                [...]
                These concepts and more have been brought up ad nauseum through this thread and the retard just refuses to understand it.

                >It's to avoid Russia getting away with an imperial war of conquest that threatens the EU and ultimately breaking western hegemony if it has no answer.
                My counter point would be that the goal should then be to DELAY THE ONSET OF THE APOCALYPSE while preparations are being made. Imagine if instead of having a pharmaceutical cartel people could actually stock up on insulin, antibiotics, etc; so many less would die. They're not doing that except handing out some shitty iodine pills, and even then they still have to be purchased for exorbitant prices.
                Look even the RAND corporation agrees:
                >Providing lethal aid to Ukraine would exploit Russia’s greatest point of external vulnerability. But any increase in U.S. military arms and advice to Ukraine would need to be carefully calibrated to increase the costs to Russia of sustaining its existing commitment without provoking a much wider conflict in which Russia, by reason of proximity, would have significant advantages.
                >U.S. military arms and advice to Ukraine would need to be carefully calibrated to increase the costs to Russia of sustaining its existing commitment without provoking a much wider conflict
                >without provoking a much wider conflict
                Oops, looks like it wasn't carefully calibrated enough?? They're trying to bleed Russia out with foreign blood but it looks like they might have *miscalculated.*

                >yachts and private planes
                Which are useless without the maintenance of a functional country and its ports and airports.
                >survive 6 months
                Surviving for 6 months is useless after a nuclear war that would vaporize all their riches and places of power were they earn it. They would become nothing but useless idiots at the mercy of their security details. Having a hideout for rough times is okay, pretending it would be their salvation in a global nuclear war is delusional.

                Interestingly, I bet russian nuke scares are also directed at those people to make them influence their goverments.

                >Which are useless without the maintenance of a functional country and its ports and airports.
                I think the hope is they might be in the air when the bombs drop or scramble to their bunkers. The yachts can last without maintenance for months. Some billionaire, i forget which, was talking about it on a podcast.
                >Surviving for 6 months is useless
                perhaps they have faith in "continuity of government"

                No amount of hysteria on your part will change anything, neither would mine if I felt that way.

                You should just be thankful that the west does not think the way you seem to think Putin does or Moscow and all of siloviki hidden bunkers would have been glassed by now.

                ok lets all just admit it's probably going to happen then and our leaders fucked up? better to have threads focused on preparation instead of "dude we're so right"

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >My counter point
                There's no such thing as being prepared for nuclear war, that's the point, and why russians wouldn't strike first either. You sound scared about this stuff. As somebody that was a kid in the 80s and remembers well how things were, there's nothing to worry about and you should step back from social media and the news for a while. If nukes didn't fly then, they're not going to fly now unless religious zealots are involved.
                >the hope is they might be in the air when the bombs drop or scramble to their bunkers
                if they're not killed anyway, their security guards would kill them in a post-apocalyptic scenario. It's delusional.
                > just admit it's probably going to happen
                no is not
                > our leaders fucked up?
                No, Putin fucked up and now he's trying to save face and get out, scaring us with bullshit that was already solved a generation ago. It's not going to work unless weak politicians doom us by folding over.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >There's no such thing as being prepared for nuclear war, that's the point
                Absolute horseshit, there's a bunch of countries with bunkers and shit but they keep their citizens deprived of basic medical needs and pharmaceuticals. If the cartel behavior was stopped then people could have a bad ass bug-out-bag and they could build fallout shelters. Instead everyone seems content on being massacred.
                >You sound scared about this stuff
                No shit, look at the fucking trend. You have one side that is an unstoppable force and the other which is an immovable object. I don't think either side will tap out.
                >they're not going to fly now unless religious zealots are involved.
                >everything is the same until it's not
                The people in power now are not Khrushchev and Kennedy. Putin believes in all kinds of mysticism and has nu-rasputin, alexander dugin. The western oligarchs are true believers of institutional death cults.
                >their security guards would kill them in a post-apocalyptic scenario
                Dude not every security guard hates their employer like they're working at McDonalds. Once we are all through the looking glass their own group survival depends on working together and reestablishing communications with elements of the COG governments.
                >no is not
                biggggggg bet
                >No, Putin fucked up
                it's like saying the tiger fucked up when someone jumped in the cage

                >all our leaders
                honestly only Putin (or whoever controls him) fucked up by starting the war. The blame lies exclusively with Russia and nobody else.

                Russia is not entitled to (super)power status.
                Russia is not entitled to have a sphere of influence.
                Russia is not entitled to a gas monopoly or warm water port.
                Russia is not entitled to be a "pole" of a multipolar world.
                Russia is not entitled to being allowed to destroy a nation at its leisure unopposed.

                If I wanted to blame west for something, it would be not fully living up to its own standards as each misstep and oversight has left available a vector of attack for the russian infection. I don't even blame west for trying to show russia kindness, even if that too was interpreted as weakness.

                >Putin (or whoever controls him) fucked up by starting the war
                see above
                >would be not fully living up to its own standards
                keeping us vulnerable

                If you think only "communist" security guards would kill their masters once there was no real country anymore, you're very naive.

                >once there was no real country anymore
                they have to execute their already agreed upon plan and governments will survive, COG

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                putin is not a tiger, a rat, a monkey or any other animal with no accountability and agency. He's a human being who followed his ambition and arrogance to this point and the blood rests principally on his hands.
                He still has the chance to do the right thing and turn around.
                And all of us others have our own consciences to answer to.

                Most dangerous prison is the one of your own mind.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >He still has the chance to do the right thing and turn around.
                >putin' your faith in putin

                >Most dangerous prison is the one of your own mind.
                agreed, especially denial

                >biggggggg bet
                No is not. Is how the world has worked since the 1960s. And you don't become the leader of a country like Russia or the US without being a cynic survivor somehow.
                > not every security guard hates their employer
                It's not about hate, but survival and the breaking of the social contract. A post nuclear war world would be a return to feudalism for a while. If doesn't matter if there's a dude calling himself the president from a bunker without the means to enforce the authority of the state because there's no state anymore

                In the end, you seem to be the type of insecure westerner that Putins hopes to scare. You don't get why nuclear black mail cannot be allowed, the same reason why "we don't (publically) negotiate with terrorists" is a thing.

                >Is how the world has worked since the 1960s.
                it works until it doesn't, just like an asset bubble
                >A post nuclear war world would be a return to feudalism for a while.
                not a video game, governments would reestablish power especially in the vaccuum
                >without the means to enforce the authority of the state
                supplies of medicine enforce all the power they need and i believe they count on most of the air forces surviving or at least like half or some shit because they have these elaborate decontamination plans.. you can bet your ass there will be drones all over the place after doomsday
                >we don't (publically) negotiate with terrorists" is a thing
                they already negotiated with Putin up to this point and my counter argument was that they should then back off for awhile and help their populations actually get fucking prepared for WW3 instead of shitty iodine tablets.. not to mention negotiation is exactly what stopped the cuban missile crisis through backend channels

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >putin' your faith in putin
                You still don't understand. Hopefully you will once. If you want to put your faith into something, then pray to God.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                ok let me reword
                >putin' your bet on putin
                the way people here talk about gambling with nuclear war is irrational or autistically overly rational depending on how you look at it

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                So if US tells russia that they need to gtfo from Ukraine or the US will nuke russia, russia should gtfo from Ukraine so they wouldn't gamble with nuclear destruction?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                both sides are wrong

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Why? russia should submit to the US if the US threatens with nuclear war.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                the west is supposed to be the better side and be able to handle geopolitics without provoking a nuclear war

                it's like how the cops wrongfully killed george floyd (among others).. their job is to be competent professionals that deal with sick people without killing anyone because they will always exist and have access to world changing technology

                The real mistake was 2014, then February 2022 and now. Oh plus the economically and medically vulnerable populations thanks to their artificial scarcity managerial bureaucratic control schemes.

                So even if you think they should just go ahead with it and do WW3 the fact is that most of the western population is not prepared for it and if they really wanted to the institutional oligarchs could ease up on cartel production models and help the citizenry stock up on essentials instead of some shitty expensive iodine tablets. This would require appeasement for a window of time if it were instituted today, although I know it wont. I'm just saying if we are talking about who should do the right thing in this situation at the present moment.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                So because russia is a special education kid, we should give them more slack?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >biggggggg bet
                No is not. Is how the world has worked since the 1960s. And you don't become the leader of a country like Russia or the US without being a cynic survivor somehow.
                > not every security guard hates their employer
                It's not about hate, but survival and the breaking of the social contract. A post nuclear war world would be a return to feudalism for a while. If doesn't matter if there's a dude calling himself the president from a bunker without the means to enforce the authority of the state because there's no state anymore

                In the end, you seem to be the type of insecure westerner that Putins hopes to scare. You don't get why nuclear black mail cannot be allowed, the same reason why "we don't (publically) negotiate with terrorists" is a thing.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >insecure westerner that Putins hopes to scare
                i just dont trust our institutions because ive been watching them "miscalculate" over and over and then benefit from it

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >all our leaders
                honestly only Putin (or whoever controls him) fucked up by starting the war. The blame lies exclusively with Russia and nobody else.

                Russia is not entitled to (super)power status.
                Russia is not entitled to have a sphere of influence.
                Russia is not entitled to a gas monopoly or warm water port.
                Russia is not entitled to be a "pole" of a multipolar world.
                Russia is not entitled to being allowed to destroy a nation at its leisure unopposed.

                If I wanted to blame west for something, it would be not fully living up to its own standards as each misstep and oversight has left available a vector of attack for the russian infection. I don't even blame west for trying to show russia kindness, even if that too was interpreted as weakness.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >YEAH DUDE IT'S WORTH IT TO FUCKING SACRIFICE HALF THE WEST FOR THE FUCKING *********DONBAS*************
                Your stupid vatnik brain can't comprehend that it is not just about Ukraine. Unless russia is eviscerated right now, it will be Estonia next, then the rest of the Baltics... and so forth.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                No amount of hysteria on your part will change anything, neither would mine if I felt that way.

                You should just be thankful that the west does not think the way you seem to think Putin does or Moscow and all of siloviki hidden bunkers would have been glassed by now.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Putin might be fucking paranoid as all fucking hell
                Of what, exactly? Of losing his power in a hardliner coup? Ok...
                >and could try to initiate dooms-fucking-day.
                Yeah, of course, because je could totally survive a nuclear armageddon. /s
                Imagine being so afraid of dying that you juat have a nice day to get rid of the anxiety. Couldn't be me.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Fuck. All these typos from my newfag ass phoneposting.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Imagine being so afraid of dying that you juat have a nice day to get rid of the anxiety.
                ppl do it all the time and also he might perceive his own survival.. maybe in a secret bunker in siberia, maybe stocked up with vodka and russian brides
                youre trusting putin's perception and he already miscalculated once...

  28. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    any homu-fags in here?

  29. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Europe will freeze and their economy will be destroyed in Winter
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    Remember that cope?

  30. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine the scenario:

    >Putin offers a peace deal - Pre-2014 borders for Ukraine, release of all prisoners, withdrawal of all forces and consent to commitment to pay suitable reparations
    yes yes imperialists would say this is a suicide and russians (which?) would never accept it etc.
    But imagine.
    What would the west do?
    Agree and drop the sanctions (assuming the provisions are being followed in spirit as well as in letter)?
    or
    Refuse and come up with some justification to continue war until Moscow falls? Perhaps citing danger that it be only a ploy to buy more time to put russian nuclear forces into working order?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I mean, if there is a single point of Russian success in this war, it's the apparently limitless ability of Russian government to convince Russians that the tsar can do literally nothing wrong even if the "truth" changes from day to day.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The West would absolutely accept that and I would imagine that they would lift almost all sanctions virtually over night. Prior to this all the big players were just interested in doing business and getting rich. Probably there is nothing more the west could ask for than to have a now humbled Russia go back to selling them cheap fuel

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