What are the tactical implications of using maps from 1969 for your invasion?

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    comparison

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      jesus christ what the fuck

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      what's wrong with the bottom/third circle?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        On old map it was empty field. Currently there's city

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >ANATOLY WHERE THE FUCK DID THESE LAKES COME FROM

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >MYKIALEV DONT STOP THE TANK FORWARD
        >nyet dimitri there is lake!
        >MYKIALEV MAP SAYS OPEN FIELD FORWARD
        >Dimitri! There is a fucking lake!
        >MYKIALEV YOU ARE DRIVER YOU ARE NOT EQUIPPED TO READ MAP I AM TRAINED IN READING MAP FORWARD

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    with signature

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'd be curious as to the age of most maps.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      US military aviation charts like TPCs and JOGs are decades old at this point with the only updates being locations of obstacles like towers and windmill farms. Granted, terrain and locations of population centers don't change much over time.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wait, those pics are real russian topographic mil maps? Fuck me sideways until my feet bleed.
    I mean even the well known app "Soviet military maps" is better.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Wait, those pics are real russian topographic mil maps?
      yeah, captured from 138 motor rifle brigade near Kharkiv

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    so they can say they're just sending them to a training exercise on soviet territory.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    US used tourist brochure maps to invade Grenada in '89, granted those would've been more up to date than these.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Some tourist brochure maps are unironically great for that purpose.
      Finding them with UTM grids is more of a pain unfortunately.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fun fact:
      1) Most companies who make maps get their data from official land surveying agencies.
      2) .mil maps are usually based on intel from land surveying agencies, too.
      I own a huge bunch of civilian 1:50k maps of my area. They come with UTM grids (which is both the civilian and NATO standard) and all the bells and whistles.
      Most of the times civilian commercial maps are just printed on better paper and include typical tourist informations. Aside from that they are basically the same - even source-wise.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I remember laughing reading about late XIXth century Austro-Hungarian officer tasked with surveying Italy, which used state funds to spend several weeks chilling in fashionable spa while drawing top secret military maps from the tourist guides bought in local bookstore. KuK officers at that time were extraordinarily poorly paid, ususally couldnt even afford to marry until reaching rank of captain or major, which took like decades in peacetime, poor dude most likely just went bananas from having this much cash on hand to spend on whores and soda.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >US used tourist brochure maps to invade Grenada in '89
      Unless you have access to legitimate military maps (which, for an invader, isn't often the case), tourist / hiking maps are unironically a good alternative, because they have a lot of relatively detailed info about the terrain.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Didn't they start swapping out road signs at the start of the war? Since they rely on old maps that'd be such a great way to fuck up their on-field intelligence. I wonder what maps of other eastern and northern european nations they keep. Imagine them using old maps of Finland not accounting for the modern infrastructure.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Oh it gets even better. In the USSR they used to fuck with topographical maps when it came to military objects, of which there were a lot of. Things like all roads ending in on area with no further development there or wrong scale measurements given for particular sectors etc.

      It was so that le evil imperialist hato spies cant use their maps in war of course but lead to a lot of confusion even among their own military as sometimes the over bloated bureaucracy got things mixed up and the tainted patches ended up being distributed to the units.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's not even really like it helps much against a sophisticated adversary. I mean, the USSR had substantially more detailed maps of the UK than were even available in the UK. I imagine domestic navigation needs are probably more important than this type of secrecy.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Russia has always been obsessed with the UK more than any other nation, dates back to them supporting the whites during teh Russian civil war

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Goes way more back than the, the Great Game between Russian and UK was started about 1830.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Doesn't China also falsify their maps?
        It feels like such a stupid precaution, because if you mix them up you can't do shit.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Better! The rus maps still have the names of villages from soviet times. Where as ukrainians have changed some of them during the 90's

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        doesn't make that much difference since removing road signs and the like is the first thing you do

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >removing them
          Rookie
          >making them point in a completely different direction
          Pro

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What i meant was that the names of villages have changed since soviet times but russians didn't update that on their maps form 1969

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Apparently chief cartograph of ru army shot himself after getting lost in Ukraine while using maps approved by him and realising just how big of a fuckup he created.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you have them

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That's not exactly news. Putin has wasted hundreds of missiles on non-existent or abandoned military installations.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it’s sad because USSR maps were really good at the time

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