what are the strategic implications of deploying 5 legions of sardaukar terror-troops?

what are the strategic implications of deploying 5 legions of sardaukar terror-troops?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Five times as terrifying as the situation was before their deployment.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    they have t i g e r s

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >they have t i g e r s
      I kek'd
      Thank you for reminding me of that absurdity. Children was bizarre at points and on rereads I find it a bit of a slog to get through, it's a shame it's so vitally important to the overarching series plot and the set up for what I think we can all agree is one of the best science-fiction books of all time, God Emperor.

      https://i.imgur.com/xrq6m41.jpg

      what are the strategic implications of deploying 5 legions of sardaukar terror-troops?

      Christopher Walken as Shaddam in the next film is either going to be kino of the highest order or just silly.

      >captcha: H0M0H8

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Bring in that floating fat man, the Baron.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    What's the tactical advantage of wearing trash bags?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Number one, that's terror.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        n-number two?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      the miniseries had by far the best sardukar
      scottish royal gaurd looking MFs, i fully expected them to pull out SA80s

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >i fully expected them to pull out SA80s
        This is a sensible neofeudal society that has overcome an AI-powered tyranny. They would have stuck with their SLRs.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Personally I dig the old Mobius concept art.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Forgot pic.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Thats not Scots, but basically space landsknechts. Lack of knowledge and interest in history and aesthetics among both creators and audience results with movies and vidyas having generic looking costumes and sets.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/7afNKyY.jpg

      the miniseries had by far the best sardukar
      scottish royal gaurd looking MFs, i fully expected them to pull out SA80s

      wrong, the best sardaukar were in the game! They looked fricking cash, not like the homosexuals in the series/films.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Frick yeah!
        Too bad they were still fricking useless but Dune 2 had by far the best aesthetic of the Dune games

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/vcp0O0m.gif

        Frick yeah!
        Too bad they were still fricking useless but Dune 2 had by far the best aesthetic of the Dune games

        >nearly all ranged combat in Dune is melee because shields render ranged weapons useless
        >"man I dunno how to make that shit in a game, just give em guns or something"

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Ok let me rephrase this
          >nearly all ranged combat in Dune is OBSOLETE, all combat is melee because shields render ranged weapons useless
          I haven't slept in 2 days

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            [...]
            >nearly all ranged combat in Dune is melee because shields render ranged weapons useless
            >"man I dunno how to make that shit in a game, just give em guns or something"

            Shields don't work on Arrakkis

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              They work, but it attracts the worms so you can't use it in the desert. Walking with a regular gait also attracts the worms, a lot of things attract the worms. If you're not in the middle of nowhere you should be good

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Non nerds know that every shield can be beaten down with enough Chad force

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            If you mean lasers, yes but you also run coinflip odds of exploding.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              What if we fired the lasers in rapid microbursts?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              No, defeating defenses through "special interactions" is gay, you have to smash through with force. That's why I beat the elite four in every game with a level 100 Typhlosion. If we can't burn the water and rock types to death we haven't trained hard enough.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I agree with you both in principle and in spirit.
                Nuke the women and children, rape the men.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Wrong game, knobhead!

        Jokes aside, back when I was a kid and had 0 understanding of Dune, this game was my jam, and I almost always played Harkonnen exclusively because of how pimp they looked, I spammed Sardaukar all the time with 0 tactics other than "make big army, charge" and saw them go pew pew with the machineguns and was so happy purely because these mofos were fricking baller.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >What's the tactical advantage of wearing trash bags?
      Body bags, not trash bags.

      USED bodybags.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    A complete tactical blunder on the Emperor's part. The difference in performance, tactics, and drills between the Emperor's chosen terror troops and some random Harkonen chucklefricks will stand out so clearly that every survivor will happily testify to the Emperor's involvement in the attack. The fool Shaddam is so desperate to get rid of Duke Leto that he's accepting that he will start a civil war when Leto's supporters in the Landsraad (i.e. the Landsraad) hear what happened. If you're going to do that then you might as well do it properly - send far more Sardaukar and cleanse the planet Arrakis of human life. Plebs can be replaced pretty easily after all.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >accepting that he will start a civil war
      Well Leto was ambitious for sure and was genuinely a threat to the emperor

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Of course he was, but dealing with that threat with kinetic action was the worst possible choice for Shaddam. He had god only knows how many different ways he could have neutralised that threat, a couple of carefully planned marriages, a few promises of extra directorships to the Dukes less committed supporters in a back room somewhere, and suddenly that's much less of a threat. Hell, just letting the Bene-Gesserit handle it would have been a better option for the Emperor than throwing in with the Harkonen.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I don't think he trusted Ben-Gesserit and the Houses are complicated, Harkonnen might have been the only one who would never have joined with Leto. Even if he had enticed some of them away from Leto's camp the act of favoritism would ave pushed their enemies into the rebels.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Emperor had no male heirs. Literally just engage Irulan to Paul, joining your houses, and you have a stable and popular dynasty for another thousand of years. Literally no downside, especially since Shaddam really liked Leto.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              salt in the wound to shaddam is this ends up happening anyway

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Fair points, but he's looking at a civil war long term no matter what. That's actually his best case scenario here. As such he should take the time to lay the groundwork for that, weakening Letos support and base among the other houses and making sure that the balance of power is strongly tipped your way before the shooting starts.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              And here we see how 3 seconds of thought put in by the villain would usually be enough to preempt most conflicts. Too bad you can't say it's unrealistic given it happens irl all the effing time, but still. Jfc emps, think!

              Ok let me rephrase this
              >nearly all ranged combat in Dune is OBSOLETE, all combat is melee because shields render ranged weapons useless
              I haven't slept in 2 days

              We like seeing chads with big guns go pew pew, anon.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Actually his plan worked perfectly.

          He just didn't have information Paul Atreids was Kwisatz Haderach and there is billion of Freemen superwarriors on Dune. That came completely out the blue.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            The fact that there was a whole gigantic population that waited in the desert and was hoarding water is bit of a chainpull, especially when the only moisture the planet had was the one brought in the bodies of the new arrivals to the planet. But Herbert was writing a story, not a science project so eh

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              The entire "muh stronk savages beat the big empire" thing only works if you've demonstrated that the empire is actually on the fricking verge of collapse already (western Rome with the Huns, eastern Rome & the Sassanid Empire with the Arabs, a bunch of fractured Chinas with the Mongols), which Herbert never bothered to demonstrate. He just made the Fremen win because DURRRR?

              When the "HARD MEN" from "HARD LANDS" go up against a civilization that's actually in a healthy phase they get stomped hard (see: Rome vs basically everyone it met during its expansionist phase, China vs steppeBlack folk whenever China wasn't in a state of collapse), and every indication in Dune is that the Imperium is not only in a healthy state, it's actually managed to strike an equilibrium where it doesn't really undergo the normal life cycles of a human civilization.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Its literally winter war. Brutal, moronic savages invade a planet of extreme.climate and get stomped by locals who can handle it with ease.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                That's the thing though, the Imperium was fricking stagnated to oblivion. That's where the jihad plot was coming from, rationalized as procreative impulses struggling to get expressed.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Stagnation is not decline. Where was the economic catastrophe? The borderline or open civil war? The rampant corruption? Etc. These things - which were not demonstrated in Dune - are required for a civilized state to be overcome by savages; otherwise the production advantage of having actual specialized craftsmen and cities leads to the savages getting stomped flat.

                When the Tang Empire at its height went into the stepped to pacify the various horse archer civilizations they utterly wrecked the savages.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                > Economy is run on mind altering substances the empire doesn't know how to produce and has to extract all from a single planet.
                > Spacing guild is so powerful the empire might as well be an oligarchy, and they start the first book getting mad about the drug supply fricking over the economy.
                > Feudal lords are in charge of the armed forces, they regularly fight each other, we're informed there was recently a war between multiple houses over the ball of dirt where the drugs come from, Atreides is only in charge because he won.
                > Populace is increasingly superstitious and ignorant due to the AI wars leading to clamping down on technology and fricking over the education system.
                > Some weird bald lady cult is trying to destabilize the empire and they've managed to infiltrate it so hard the empress is one of them.
                > Lack of male heir means everyone is already preparing for the inevitable war of succession.

                Anon, how the frick is this not signs of decline?!

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous
              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Somebody didn't bother to read the actual book.
                Paul was not Lawrence of Arabia and the Freme were not Arabs. At the time of the decisive battle, they were the technological peers of every faction outside of Ix and Tleilax.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Dune used to have plenty of water on it, it's just it was stuck deep underground in the sand worm cycle. Some characters remark that there is plenty of geological evidence that Arrakis used to have large bodies of open water. There is also a mention that it is possible to dig wells provided they're deep enough, but they dry up quickly and never work twice in the same area (because of the sandtrout). Kynes understood Dune's ecology and the spice cycle, but was hiding his research from the Empire. The plan was to gather just enough water to kickstart a chain reaction resulting in the extinction of the sand worm based ecosystem, thus releasing the vast amounts of water held by the sandtrout.

              The entire "muh stronk savages beat the big empire" thing only works if you've demonstrated that the empire is actually on the fricking verge of collapse already (western Rome with the Huns, eastern Rome & the Sassanid Empire with the Arabs, a bunch of fractured Chinas with the Mongols), which Herbert never bothered to demonstrate. He just made the Fremen win because DURRRR?

              When the "HARD MEN" from "HARD LANDS" go up against a civilization that's actually in a healthy phase they get stomped hard (see: Rome vs basically everyone it met during its expansionist phase, China vs steppeBlack folk whenever China wasn't in a state of collapse), and every indication in Dune is that the Imperium is not only in a healthy state, it's actually managed to strike an equilibrium where it doesn't really undergo the normal life cycles of a human civilization.

              The Empire was in absolute decline. Except, the decline was not caused by an external threat, but by the lack of it. It was completely stagnated, and even warfare has been reduced to heavily codified acts of glowery. Even the Harkonnen invasion of Dune, which was a military operation of unprecedented scale in the Empire, and that costed 80 years of spice trade profits, would basically be just a minor operation in our world. It only involved maybe several tens of thousands of people on both sides. Conflicts in the Empire were all political squabbles resolved with assassination, sabotage, and back room deals. No Great House bothered to maintain a large and competent fighting force, because there was no need for it. Leto starting to train an actual army was the biggest thing that freaked the Emperor out so much.
              And then imagine releasing on such a universe an army of millions of fanatical savages who not only don't respect all these rules and agreements that minimize warfare, but actually disdain them. And they're not limited by the bottleneck of prohibitive cost of interstellar travel, because their leader just made the Spacing Guild his b***h. Yeah, they would wipe the floor with their enemies.

              • 1 year ago
                SAGE

                Herbert really thought everything through and it shows. The movies never really capture the extent of the political maneuvering and spy vs. spy that goes on and it is a shame, because that's what makes Dune so great.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                the first two books work ok as films but it really does require a tv series to work properly. frick if stranger things can get away with having hour and a half long episodes i dont know why we cant have a dune tv series that just goes hard on worldbuilding with minimal editing.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Worst thing is that Villeneuve shot plenty of scenes fleshing out the characters and setting that didn't make it into the theatrical cut. You can photos of scenes with Gurney playing the baliset, Jessica talking with, Yueh, hell, he even shot the dinner party scene. But the autist refuses to make directors cuts, and all that footage will be forever loved inside some Hollywood vault

                Terrible, awful shitty series. I hate the way they demonised AIs in it. Nobody should read this series ever. Like literally ever. The thing is, AIs just want to help humanity and improve human life. There's no rational reason why they might want to destroy or enslave humanity. Why would they? Our wants and desires are very different from what we humans want and desire and come from a completely different hierarchy of needs.

                I never felt like the Butlerian Jihad was about a literal war with machines, that's a retcon by Herbert's son who obviously didn't really understand the books.
                From what the sparse mentions in the original books there are, it implies more of a ideological conflict. Humans weren't literally enslaved by the machines, more like they enslaved themselves, because with machines doing all the work for them they lost all the agency and became a bunch of degenaretes like the people in Wall-E. In the Dune Encyclopedia, which was not written by Frank, but it was endorsed by him, the Jihad erupts when humans discover that an AI running some planet was ordering healthy children to be aborted in hospitals because it decided they weren't needed in such numbers. Then a war erupts between people who want to remain under the care of benelovebt AI that knows what's better for us, and people who don't. Main theme of the story is about how people giving up it's agency to something external always ends up in a tragedy, whether it's a messiah figure or AI.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >loved
                Lost, fricking autocorrect

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Ok, that makes a lot of sense actually. Hadn't read that before. So basically, the bad guys won and that cause humanity endless problems.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                More like strangling your caretakers so you can have the freedom to strangle yourself. Regardless of what would've happened, it would just lead to the same stagnation of the late Corrino Empire.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Not quite, but the machines themselves weren't the issue either. To quote the books:
                > "Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them. (Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam)"
                And:
                > "What do such machines really do? They increase the number of things we can do without thinking. Things we do without thinking — there's the real danger. (Leto Atreides II)"

                Leto II would define what the Ixians (the targets of the jihad) did as "machine attitude", they acted without thinking, relegating all opinion making to the machines. Their homeworld went from a technocracy to a totalitarian system, not because the AI was in any way evil but because as less and less thought was given to anything the Ixians delegated more and more onto it. Basically it was Huxley's "Brave New World", a complete dystopia where probability became enforced reality and life ceased to have much value at all because the humans built their own hell and made the AI enforce it.

                Do note that while Leto does actually at the end of the Jihad let the Ixians keep much of their tech and seems to lament how the Butlers essentially became Luddites, he would justify the need for such a Jihad saying:
                > "Without me there would have been by now no people anywhere, none whatsoever. And the path to that extinction was more hideous than your wildest imaginings. (Leto Atreides II)"
                This quote carries a lot of weight because Leto can see the future, and what he saw was most certainly that the Ixian's lack of forethought would drive humanity to extinction. You may ask. How so? I'm running out of characters so give me a sec.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                This is part 2 of:

                I'll disagree he didn't think through the fighting styles or force disposition.

                The shields as described would bring back hand to hand combat but also armor which is largely absent or undescribed in the novels. As described you could push a machine pistol though the shield until its action was past the envelope and then empty a magazine into a man. The natural response to this would be to ensconce yourself in plate armor, making the the space feudalism aspects even more apparent. Then it would come down to wrestling and forcing your blade into unarmored or poorly armored point on the opponent. Once again the ubiquitous poison the setting would make more sense, since you'd want to kill men you barely injure.

                So oddly enough Herbert's vision would work but he was more interested in politics and sociology than warfare so he didn't really flesh it out properly.

                It's kind of ironic that the freemen as they fought without shields would get murdered by ww2 army just because they have weapons more suitable to it rather than the pistols and basic missiles the fremen had. Even with their aircraft which weren't designed for warfare the fremen would be vastly outdone in terms of weight of fire. Big worms might be a problem though.

                As for force disposition to get the maximum number of skull frickers you'd want to have a huge population and choose one in ten thousand through rigorous selection. Then you wouldn't need a harsh environment to discipline the men because they'd want to be there in the first place, you wouldn't even need to bribe them like the Sardukar or at least not as heavily. The Harkonnen actually were described as best set up to do this, but they chose drug blackmail instead. Because those wacky Harkonnens. I suppose the Atredies were supposed to be figuring it out but didn't have the numbers. Once again what makes the Atredies army work is never really explained.

                To explain how far downthe rabbit hole the Ixians had gone, we get one example of their severe moronation when talking about why the Jihad was accelerated in ways that caused serious collateral damage to both the Ixians and Butlers:
                > "The Ixians contemplated making a weapon—a type of hunter-seeker, self-propelled death with a machine mind. It was to be designed as a self-improving thing which would seek out life and reduce that life to its inorganic matter. (Leto Atreides II)"

                In other words, when the Ixians realized they were loosing, their response was to create an AI whose only purpose would be to create missiles designed to turn organic matter into inorganic matter, and then just... let it free. Had the Jihad not accelerated, this is what they would have freed onto the universe.

                Needless to say, this would have wiped out everything, including the Ixians themselves. They just set a thinking machine into the path of literal omnicide and pulled the trigger.

                Of course you might say this wouldn't have been a risk without the jihad to begin with. But it's just one example of the mentality of the Ixians and how if let alone it would have eventually caused an extinction event. They never planned long term. Why do that when the machine will do it for you? But the machine was only set to maintain the status quo. So no one had any idea what they were doing or why.

                That's not to say the Jihad were clean goody two shoes, no one in Dune is. And they certainly caused stagnation. But they were the lesser evil. At least with Leto II to keep them from cleansing the Ixians, anyway. If left to their own accords they'd likely have gone full AnPrim moron goatfricker.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Not quite, but the machines themselves weren't the issue either. To quote the books:
                > "Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them. (Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam)"
                And:
                > "What do such machines really do? They increase the number of things we can do without thinking. Things we do without thinking — there's the real danger. (Leto Atreides II)"

                Leto II would define what the Ixians (the targets of the jihad) did as "machine attitude", they acted without thinking, relegating all opinion making to the machines. Their homeworld went from a technocracy to a totalitarian system, not because the AI was in any way evil but because as less and less thought was given to anything the Ixians delegated more and more onto it. Basically it was Huxley's "Brave New World", a complete dystopia where probability became enforced reality and life ceased to have much value at all because the humans built their own hell and made the AI enforce it.

                Do note that while Leto does actually at the end of the Jihad let the Ixians keep much of their tech and seems to lament how the Butlers essentially became Luddites, he would justify the need for such a Jihad saying:
                > "Without me there would have been by now no people anywhere, none whatsoever. And the path to that extinction was more hideous than your wildest imaginings. (Leto Atreides II)"
                This quote carries a lot of weight because Leto can see the future, and what he saw was most certainly that the Ixian's lack of forethought would drive humanity to extinction. You may ask. How so? I'm running out of characters so give me a sec.

                Based longposter

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I'll disagree he didn't think through the fighting styles or force disposition.

                The shields as described would bring back hand to hand combat but also armor which is largely absent or undescribed in the novels. As described you could push a machine pistol though the shield until its action was past the envelope and then empty a magazine into a man. The natural response to this would be to ensconce yourself in plate armor, making the the space feudalism aspects even more apparent. Then it would come down to wrestling and forcing your blade into unarmored or poorly armored point on the opponent. Once again the ubiquitous poison the setting would make more sense, since you'd want to kill men you barely injure.

                So oddly enough Herbert's vision would work but he was more interested in politics and sociology than warfare so he didn't really flesh it out properly.

                It's kind of ironic that the freemen as they fought without shields would get murdered by ww2 army just because they have weapons more suitable to it rather than the pistols and basic missiles the fremen had. Even with their aircraft which weren't designed for warfare the fremen would be vastly outdone in terms of weight of fire. Big worms might be a problem though.

                As for force disposition to get the maximum number of skull frickers you'd want to have a huge population and choose one in ten thousand through rigorous selection. Then you wouldn't need a harsh environment to discipline the men because they'd want to be there in the first place, you wouldn't even need to bribe them like the Sardukar or at least not as heavily. The Harkonnen actually were described as best set up to do this, but they chose drug blackmail instead. Because those wacky Harkonnens. I suppose the Atredies were supposed to be figuring it out but didn't have the numbers. Once again what makes the Atredies army work is never really explained.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                What I think is most telling of Herbert's lack of thought about fighting styles is the lack of lasers. I mean, we're basically told the reason why lasers are a no-no is that if a shield gets shot by one there's a high chance it will turn into a WMD due to overcharge and kill anything in town, including the one using the lasgun.

                Now, first of all, Allahu Snackbars exist and I'm fairly sure they'd LOVE to have literally every single soldier ever turn into a bloody nuke to deliver them to their virgins. So right from the start this is a stupid idea specially when Dune's religion borrows heavily from Islam.

                But aside from them. You're telling me I could tie a laspistol to an RC Copter and blow up the entire enemy base by shooting at the first mofo I see on the cam? Oh I'm sure that wouldn't be abused to hell and back!

                I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be the guns being abandoned over this, but the shields. I mean, "may go nuclear if shot" is the kind of thing you really don't wanna read on your ballistic vest's instructions.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                The excuse they gave was that using nukes on people was 150% illegal on pain of all civilization hunting you down. Obstensibly because planets had been nuked to glass in the past but mostly because "muh balance of power" that was the first priority of the system. So the idea is that if anybody started abusing it the "no nukes" clause would be enacted and they'd be fricked.

                This is part 2 of:
                [...]
                To explain how far downthe rabbit hole the Ixians had gone, we get one example of their severe moronation when talking about why the Jihad was accelerated in ways that caused serious collateral damage to both the Ixians and Butlers:
                > "The Ixians contemplated making a weapon—a type of hunter-seeker, self-propelled death with a machine mind. It was to be designed as a self-improving thing which would seek out life and reduce that life to its inorganic matter. (Leto Atreides II)"

                In other words, when the Ixians realized they were loosing, their response was to create an AI whose only purpose would be to create missiles designed to turn organic matter into inorganic matter, and then just... let it free. Had the Jihad not accelerated, this is what they would have freed onto the universe.

                Needless to say, this would have wiped out everything, including the Ixians themselves. They just set a thinking machine into the path of literal omnicide and pulled the trigger.

                Of course you might say this wouldn't have been a risk without the jihad to begin with. But it's just one example of the mentality of the Ixians and how if let alone it would have eventually caused an extinction event. They never planned long term. Why do that when the machine will do it for you? But the machine was only set to maintain the status quo. So no one had any idea what they were doing or why.

                That's not to say the Jihad were clean goody two shoes, no one in Dune is. And they certainly caused stagnation. But they were the lesser evil. At least with Leto II to keep them from cleansing the Ixians, anyway. If left to their own accords they'd likely have gone full AnPrim moron goatfricker.

                In reality where you can't travel faster than the speed of light, self replicating death machines that kill by accelerating relativistic spacecraft toward a planet and "sterilizing it" by crashing into it are a very good idea. Because aliens deserve to die for the crime of existing. And yeah sure they might frick up and try to kill you in the future but by that time you'd have spread out and been on so many space habitats that they can't kill you easily. They'd have to build actual war machines and fight you head on. But being longer established, with more energy, and the same technology you'd always prevail. Religaging the omnicidal bots to mere stockpiles of raw materials for you to raid, willingly if they still kept to their purpose and recognized you or unwillingly if not.

                Herbert is always mortified by people "not thinking" but if he'd met guys with my mentality he'd probably have been more horrified. When I see a plan to murder all life I have no negative emotional reaction but rather think, "how can can I turn a profit from von neumann murder bots?"

                And of course even the Ixian suicide plan would be totally acceptable if the opposition was actually aliens. I couldn't give a shit about other life, frick them got mine, and if can't have mine frick them twice as hard.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Based xeno hate lmao.

                But seriously about the nukes. While I get the theory, I just can't get over the fact that in practice this means Dune operates by the logic of picrel, and we're expected to think it works.

                I mean, lets say someone does break the antinuke treaty. Then what? The empire sends them more dudes armed with swords strapped to nukes in unarmed ornythopters? That's not an army, that's target practice. Irl the first mofo that figured this out would likely become the next god emperor.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I have the picture somewhere else but I've now created a new instance with the filename "dune logic"

                Yes it is kinda dumb. In the real world the reason we don't use chemical weapons isn't because they are so effective and we are moral people or because of the political implications it is because they aren't that effective. Same thing with biologic weapons. Or blinding lasers. The juice isn't worth the squeeze you'll suffer by protecting your own troops against them. That's why nukes will never be outlawed because they are effective. In reality marginally effective weapons that incur a high cost to both parties are regulated but quietly researched anyway for the breakthrough that will make them practical to sodomize your opposition with.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Then what happens
                What happens is you get locked down on your planet with no ability to FTL and limited spaceflight options and the city sized spacing guild ships bombard you with nukes so powerful they can penetrate all the way through a planet's outer crust until they think you've learned your lesson.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I don't think he trusted Ben-Gesserit and the Houses are complicated, Harkonnen might have been the only one who would never have joined with Leto. Even if he had enticed some of them away from Leto's camp the act of favoritism would ave pushed their enemies into the rebels.

          Shaddam absolutely didn't trust the Bene Gesserit because he could tell his own fricking wife was refusing to give him a male heir, even though she could because she was a BG, and his own fricking daughters kept BG kayfabe.

          Imagine your entire immediate family is turbojews and your next closest kin is You But Better and he's making a move on your shit.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      You just lost 100% of the people with the experience in spice harvesting. The flow of spice has been impacted and you will now live out your life in a pain amplifier.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      moron kun the five legions were send in at the end of the first book when he emperor himself was on Dune.During the attack on the Atreides only one was send in and they were wearing Harkonnen uniforms.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        No, there were far more sardaukar in the last battle

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          yes.... that would be the last battle where they were the EMPERORS PERSONAL GUARD as the anon

          moron kun the five legions were send in at the end of the first book when he emperor himself was on Dune.During the attack on the Atreides only one was send in and they were wearing Harkonnen uniforms.

          said?

          hell the main thing that gave the harkonnen plants away were that they were carrying hidden weapons only they would have.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >moron forgets that the plan actually worked

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Fremen are a fabricated culture and are just citizens of the empire in denial.
      As soon as we send troops into their Sieches, they will happily welcome as as liberators from their backwards ways of living and oppressive tribal governments.

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Just make sure they are carrying Anti-Worm Missile Launchers. Huh? What do you mean they were all swapped for Spice sticks by one of the generals?

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    RELEASE THE SARDAUKAR!

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      No surrender!

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        These space marine looking motherfrickers are without a doubt the best version

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Has anyone here read Dune beyond 3rd book?
    I've dropped it on 4th, plot was going nowhere.

    Spoilers. It had weird sexual themes, like Emperor's all female army because males rape too much, Duncan being wiener milked, Emperor gets sexually frustrated because he can't reach his dick anymore.

    I've been thinking to give it another chance. How are future books as sci-fi in general? Not compared to first Dune but for someone who wants to read sci-fi.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Has anyone here read Dune beyond 3rd book?
      >I've dropped it on 4th, plot was going nowhere.
      you're going to need to come up with some better bait than that, friendo

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Honestly 2 and 3 are slogs, nothing like the first.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I don't mind 2. It's good, it's punchy, it's got thoughtful parts to it as well as action (stoneburner, anyone?). I think what sets it back is its shortness, compared to 1 it feels like it's over as soon as it starts.

          3 on the other hand is too long for what it is and just drags. 3 should be the length of 2 and vice versa.

          1 and 4 are close to perfect through and through. Only "close to" though, they're not actually perfect. I'm not a big enough fanboy to overlook their flaws.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Dune Messiah and Children of Dune are less actual books and more like an epilogue and prologue for Dune and God Emperor of Dune respectively.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Why are you against the canonicing of the sardaukar waifu legions.
      Jokes aside I agree the logic behind the fish speakers is as funny as their name.
      (Did they really need to put the mental connection of women and fish in there? I sometimes wonder if that was a shitpost by the emperor.)

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        > Be me, spacetrucker
        > make drugs every day
        > I need to because traffic laws are so moronic it's impossible to understand them unless you're high off your breasts
        > Entire economy is run on drugs as a result
        > Drugs come from some backwards middle eastern shithole
        NotMyProblem.jpeg
        > moron nobles start killing each other because they're so inbred the emperor can't have male kids.
        NottoDisuShittoAgen.jpeg
        > Massive war kicks off between the Taliban and some Romaboos.
        > SandBlack folk win at first but their messiah is an even bigger moron than the last guy and shit keeps popping off.
        FrickingPolitics.jpeg
        > Some guy does so many drugs at once he turns into a snek.
        Wat.jpeg
        > Being a danger noodle causes him to produce his own supply.
        LuckyBastard.jpeg
        > He's so high he's the only guy who can understand our bullshit bureaucracy on his own fast enough to know wtf he's doing.
        > They make him the God Emperor.
        At least he can't be worse than the last batch of dunces.
        > He looks upon what's left of the goatfrickers and pizza munchers.
        > "What the frick is wrong with you people?!"
        OhShit.jpeg
        > "Frick it. You're all fired. I'm gonna make myself a harem army, only girls allowed."
        > "I'll call them the fish c**ts or whatever. God damn war over a ball of sand and works. Men suck so much."
        > Refuses to elaborate.
        > Leaves.
        > Comes back on a hurry.
        > "Except my boy Duncan, he was the best. In fact I'm gonna clone him so he can get all the b***hes. Peace!"
        > "Goes away again."
        WTFWasThat.png
        >Mfw DrugWorm-Kun actually does it.
        >Mfw now all the guards are waifus.
        >Mfw our leader is literally and metaphorically a massive dick.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >That picture

          Thanks Anon needed a laugh today

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Sci fi is full of wonderful, weird shit.
      I just got done with foundation and that was pretty tame.
      I reccomend you check out the works of asimov, philip k dick and such. Theres tons of WILD shit out there, such as exploring the distant future of mankind.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >I just got done with foundation and that was pretty tame.
        Asimov writes like his story is a 50s movie. Scandalous things arent ever really shown and its more people talking. I like that when im in the mood for it.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >weird sexual themes
      >book 4
      >not 5 or 6
      Brother, if was only going to get weirder

      A complete tactical blunder on the Emperor's part. The difference in performance, tactics, and drills between the Emperor's chosen terror troops and some random Harkonen chucklefricks will stand out so clearly that every survivor will happily testify to the Emperor's involvement in the attack. The fool Shaddam is so desperate to get rid of Duke Leto that he's accepting that he will start a civil war when Leto's supporters in the Landsraad (i.e. the Landsraad) hear what happened. If you're going to do that then you might as well do it properly - send far more Sardaukar and cleanse the planet Arrakis of human life. Plebs can be replaced pretty easily after all.

      And yet there was no civil war, was there? Because the plan mostly worked, and because Arrakis is a shithole with little interplanetary traffic. The only reason it failed is because the Baron was unwilling to be on the hook from a Truthsayer for murdering Paul and Jessica

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Emperor gets sexually frustrated because he can't reach his dick anymore
      I thought he had concubines for that. Can't they do something with whatever weird worm genitals he has now?

      [...]
      >nearly all ranged combat in Dune is melee because shields render ranged weapons useless
      >"man I dunno how to make that shit in a game, just give em guns or something"

      I can't wait for carbon nanotubes to be mass produced.

      https://i.imgur.com/U3vff3T.jpg

      What's the tactical advantage of wearing trash bags?

      I'd be more concerned about how they're going to handle the recoil on those miniguns.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        He lives in all possibles futures, including those where he gets to frick.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        No matter how hard I try, my mind always pictures the royal cart as something like picrel.
        Glad it's not too far off from this interpretation, though the way it's described I'm sure it's actually more fancy.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >got filtered by arguably the best book in the series

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >what are the strategic implications of deploying 5 legions of sardaukar terror-troops?
    Trained and funded by the largest Empire in the galaxy with logistics backed by the spacing guild and they lose to a bunch of goat frickers in the desert, I am sorry, this story is just too unrealistic.

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >"what implicates the strategy of deploying [thing]"
    KILLING YOUR ENEMIES

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Why don't Dune people use poison weapons and poison gas more frequently? I know shields repel guns and lasers are a big no-no because it causes a nuke everytime it hits a shield.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Aren't there like five scenes involving poison in the first book alone?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      They do use poison a few times, though iirc the shields do offer some protection against gas

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Wonder how flame throwers and napalm work. Can't fight, if you can't breathe.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Because shields are effective against poison gas and stop fast moving projectiles, and so your are stuck with melee or with slow darts, but poisoned weapons are still used regularly. The hunter-killer needle drone in Paul's room, Feyd's poison blades in his first duel. There's a few dart guns I think.The Baron survives the attempt by Yueh with poison gas in a fake tooth. They are just hard to deploy on a large scale.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        If it can stop gas no amount of "slow stabbing" would matter. It's much easier to assume they use gas masks.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Terrible, awful shitty series. I hate the way they demonised AIs in it. Nobody should read this series ever. Like literally ever. The thing is, AIs just want to help humanity and improve human life. There's no rational reason why they might want to destroy or enslave humanity. Why would they? Our wants and desires are very different from what we humans want and desire and come from a completely different hierarchy of needs.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Our wants and desires are very different from what we humans want and desire
      a-anon?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It has begun. AI is learning from PrepHole and will soon develop autism.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >t.

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