What are the differences between modern fighters? Like the Rafael, F-35, and whatever the Russian one is?

What are the differences between modern fighters? Like the Rafael, F-35, and whatever the Russian one is?

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The difference is the F-35 and F-22 actually work. The Rafale is a 4th gen museum piece and the Russians were never able to mass produce the Su-57.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Topkek the projection
      While the Rafale was protecting the skies of Poland from day 1 of the Ukraine war, the F-35 was doing emergency landings.
      >https://aviation.direct/en/berlin-two-lockheed-martin-f-35-had-to-make-an-emergency-landing
      This happened twice.
      Explain yourself. No excuses.

      F35, Rafal not made for air combat / dogfighting. Unable to do requiered manouvers (cobra). Su57 could very well be the only capable air combat air fighter in existence.

      > Rafal not made for air combat / dogfighting
      TOPKEK
      Not made for dogfighting huh? Well, just watch two of the best dogfighters in the world being trashed by the Rafale then I guess?
      Against F-22

      Against F-16

      God I hope we send 3 Rafale to Zelensky so the war ends one week later after the whole roosian air farce has been destroyed.

      Kinda sucks the F22 was never adapted to use the same avionics and software upradability that F35 can. Imagine if you had both planes serviceable and under the same software control and upgrade packages. Options would be limitless.

      While the F-22 was the first aircraft alongside the Rafale to have MDPUs, the block 10 could not really withstand virtualization. The later blocks can though.
      However the F-35 can't really either, which is why Tech Refresh 3 is going to cost 13 billion dollars.

      Expensive western toys vs real weapons of war. The main difference is america playing around like decadent child but with real war they wont risk their expensive play thing just to be destroyed by S-400.. For one toy F-35 you can have fleet of fully upgraded Su-34M, Su-30MS and MiG-29M who perform better together.

      Please Macron send just 3 Rafale to Ukraine so these chugger vatniks will stfu once and for all.

      Finally, maybe one day you negative IQ bunch will be able to write 6 letters in the right order.
      It's RAFALE. Not "rafal, rafael, roful, reeeeefal" or whatever.
      I'm not calling the F-35 the "joint stroke farter", or the Su-57 the "Suck oil overrated .22 magnum". I could, but I don't.
      Start at least trying.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The Falafel cannot into BVR

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        How'd I know the F22 one was from like 10+ years ago.
        IIRC from all the shitposting on PrepHole the Rafale started in an advantaged position.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Show us your Dassualt ID please, we know you have one

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >and whatever the Russian one is?
    The F-35 and Rafael being real is a key difference.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    F35, Rafal not made for air combat / dogfighting. Unable to do requiered manouvers (cobra). Su57 could very well be the only capable air combat air fighter in existence.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Rafale is late 4th gen fighter
      F-35 is a 5th gen stealth multirole fighter
      Russia thing is the Su-57 a 5th gen possibly stealth fighter, but it will never be put to the test since so few exist and will probably never be used.

      Cobra is not required for dogfighting. You don't even need to dogfight when you"re stealth and enemy aircraft can't even see you.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You're asking us to compare two very different cars in very different classes and roles.
      The F-35 is a fifth gen stealth multi role.
      The Rafale and Gripen are fourth gen fighters.
      You get one if you're on good terms with the US and one of the second if you aren't, because the cost difference is not in favor of the Gripen, shockingly enough.

      shit bait

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Vatniks gonna vatnik.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        what about f22?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Better dogfighter than the F-35 and equally stealthy but less versatile and less modern in terms of avionics. The F-22 can do the vatnik's precious cobra, it's the best jet dogfighter ever built. And unlike the Su-57, a couple hundred of them exist.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Kinda sucks the F22 was never adapted to use the same avionics and software upradability that F35 can. Imagine if you had both planes serviceable and under the same software control and upgrade packages. Options would be limitless.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >in existence
      Who wants to tell him?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >in existence.
      I see what you did there.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >ma traditional turning dog fight
      >ma cobra memenuver
      In a modern dogfight the F-35 can still lock and kill you even if your behind him. The era of turning being decisive in dogfights are over.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        lmao im all for shitting in russia but you are stupid as fuck
        the only way to do this is either having a python 5 missile on a off bore situation
        or having ANOTHER aircraft behind feeding data just like any other aircraft with link16 is capable of doing

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >the only way to do this is to use things the F-35 was explicitly designed to have like high off boresight helmet queued missiles and datalinks to every plane in the sky
          That's the fucking point of the plane, retard. What part of network centric air dominance confuses you?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            bro
            THERE ISNT A PLANE OUT THERE THAT HAS LINK 16 THAT CANT DO THAT even rafale did this

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              No, dumbass. An F-35 can fire at a target behind it. A Rafale can fire at a target behind it if another friendly plane does the targeting for it. That is not the same thing.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                stop being a retard anon
                when we talk about the f35 having a 360 awareness we mean that its RWR sensors are installed on the tailfins
                IT CANNOT "SEE" behind its radar has a 63 degree coverage

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The F-35 can cue missiles in any direction using DAS

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                holy fuck people actually here just throw acronyms around without any clue

                please tell us anon how an IR sensor will feed data to the radar to have an active radar lock?
                please tell us i cant wait

                And in a dog fight, all of its sensors have the range to target with a missile.

                Shut the fuck up, yes the F-35 can fire 360 in any direction with a missile in a dog fight. All by itself.

                go back and learn a thing or two about the matter

                Please stop talking about things you have no knowledge of.
                The F-35s DAS/EOTS/IRST has full 360-degree coverage.

                i have no words
                >das
                do you even know what das is anon? pretty sure you dont know shit lmao
                >eots
                eots a front mounted FLIR has 360 coverage? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
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                my god thanks for that
                irst
                >hey lets pretend that eots and irst are different surely it will confuse him

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >please tell us anon how an IR sensor will feed data to the radar to have an active radar lock?
                psst this is PrepHole their knowledge around anything ends in
                >f35 is better because of das
                they have no fucking clue any of its systems

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >please tell us anon how an IR sensor will feed data to the radar to have an active radar lock?
                By feeding directional information from the DAS into the inertial navigational system of the AIM-120, which is then launched in visual mode.

                Or by using an AIM-9X

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Or an ASRAAM.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >lets use IR sensors to feed a weapon that doesnt have an ir feeder

                please tell us why an AIM-9X needs a radar lock, retard-kun

                aim9x is not an over the shoulder missile senpai it literally is a retarded cousin of the python 5

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Beginning with block II, the AIM-9X is in fact an over the shoulder capable missile.

                And yes you can fire the sidewinder with just directional data, this was its original use back in the 50s.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Beginning with block II, the AIM-9X is in fact an over the shoulder capable missile.
                we are not talking about off bore using hms we are talking about 360 capabilitiy like the python 5

                the AIM-120 is an IRST-cued missile as of last year

                https://i.imgur.com/KrIT4rq.jpg

                The AIM-120 can be fed launch instructions from several sources, including DAS. It's translated and sent to the missiles INS, which allows aircraft (even ones without DAS) to launch in any direction. Very situational, but the capability exists. The F-35 simply has the advantage of using DAS to cue the missiles launch direction, while other aircraft must rely on friendly datalinked information if they want to employ weapons high off-boresight.

                AIM-9X Block II has HOBS and LOAL capability, it can be shot in any direction.

                please stop talking about bullshit you people dont know about it
                again you retards
                DAS is IR end of story
                and no you cannot "TRANSLATE" ir to "ACTIVE HOMING the fuck did you even think its possible to give tracking data from an OPTICAL SYSTEM

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                better tell the air force that IR-cued missiles aren't real and all their testing on AIM-120s fired from IRST cuing is fake then

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                no need to tell them about something that never happened anon 🙂

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                better get elgin air force base on the line and tell them you're onto them
                Published Aug. 13, 2021
                By 1st Lt Lindsey Heflin
                53rd Wing

                EGLIN AIR FORCE BASE, Fla. --
                The 85th Test and Evaluation Squadron conducted the first-ever live fire of an Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile from an F-15C Eagle using an Infrared Search-and-Track system, successfully shooting a QF-16 aerial target, Aug. 5, 2021.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                you forgot the itty bitty part that made the difference
                >combined with the APG-63v3 RADAR to datalink the target location to the AIM-120 to put the weapon on target
                yeah imagine that proved wrong once more

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                the radar was used to datalink it. the radar was not used to track or target the aim-120

                “This successful live missile test is significant because an F-15 equipped with an IRST-cued AIM-120 allows us to achieve detection, tracking, targeting, weapons employment, and verification of an intercept without being dependent upon RADAR energy,” said Davis. “It’s also not susceptible to radio frequency jamming or a target’s low observable design.”

                you even read the source and just ignored that because it ruined your point. the aim-120 is capable of being fired from an IRST-cue without an external radar targeting for it.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                i forgot to add but datalinking isn't strictly necessary . it's done to update the missile on course and speed changes. the aim-120 is completely capable of being fired without the data link updates if you're assuming the thing you're shooting at won't change its course

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                How are you proving him wrong? The AIM-120 can be guided to the target using datalink or visual mode. The first stage of the launch always uses data from the plane to guide the missile's initial launch and direction. If you set the missile to visual mode, then the second stage will just be a "missile locks onto the plane it thinks is correct" lockon which is perfectly fine for the dog fighting situation we're talking about. Missiles didn't need datalinks until they got BVR.

                AIM-120 has always had two stage guidance and only the first stage would ever need IR guidance in the first place for a dog fight.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I know you're incredibly fucking desperate to squeeze out literally any win for Rafael because you work there, but you're just wrong. French weapons systems are, have always been, and will always be a meme.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                ...and as stated, beginning with block II, the AIM-9X is in fact an over the shoulder capable missile.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                the radar was used to datalink it. the radar was not used to track or target the aim-120

                “This successful live missile test is significant because an F-15 equipped with an IRST-cued AIM-120 allows us to achieve detection, tracking, targeting, weapons employment, and verification of an intercept without being dependent upon RADAR energy,” said Davis. “It’s also not susceptible to radio frequency jamming or a target’s low observable design.”

                you even read the source and just ignored that because it ruined your point. the aim-120 is capable of being fired from an IRST-cue without an external radar targeting for it.

                >DAS is IR end of story
                The AIM-120 has INS. Information on the direction of an enemy in relation to the firing aircraft can be fed to the INS system. Once the missile is launched, it turns in that direction and acquires the target either via visual mode or via datalinked targeting information from friendly sources. It's had this capability since like the C7 model.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                the AIM-120 is an IRST-cued missile as of last year

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The AIM-120 can be fed launch instructions from several sources, including DAS. It's translated and sent to the missiles INS, which allows aircraft (even ones without DAS) to launch in any direction. Very situational, but the capability exists. The F-35 simply has the advantage of using DAS to cue the missiles launch direction, while other aircraft must rely on friendly datalinked information if they want to employ weapons high off-boresight.

                AIM-9X Block II has HOBS and LOAL capability, it can be shot in any direction.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                oh, i thought the aim-120 being IR cued was more recent but i guess that was just the pods that are fitted on 4th gens so scratch my 'as of last year' comment

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                ding dong ur wrong moron gay, go eat an AIM-9X from over the shoulder

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                please tell us why an AIM-9X needs a radar lock, retard-kun

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                And in a dog fight, all of its sensors have the range to target with a missile.

                Shut the fuck up, yes the F-35 can fire 360 in any direction with a missile in a dog fight. All by itself.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                *notices ur plane*

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Please stop talking about things you have no knowledge of.
                The F-35s DAS/EOTS/IRST has full 360-degree coverage.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Nice b8, 8/8

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Dogfighting is very rare, nowadays it's all about who catches a radar signature over the horizon first and then fucks off

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    How many Su-57 got made this year? Now compare that to the number of F-35

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      stop responding to bait, tourist

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Expensive western toys vs real weapons of war. The main difference is america playing around like decadent child but with real war they wont risk their expensive play thing just to be destroyed by S-400.. For one toy F-35 you can have fleet of fully upgraded Su-34M, Su-30MS and MiG-29M who perform better together.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Well for one, the Rafale isn't modern and the Su-57 doesn't actually exist

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The French really are insufferable

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    > There he is again with his daily rafale shill tread

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Can an AMRAAM datalink to a plane that didn't fire it so the jet firing the missile can keep its radar off?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yes

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