What aircraft should Ukraine buy after the war ends?

What aircraft should Ukraine buy after the war ends?

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    F 35 in exchange for full access to their oil fields in the Donbas

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >thinly veiled concern trolling

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        My apologies, I was not going for that inference. Perhaps that isn't as fair as I was first thinking.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It is absolutely a fair trade, preferrential access to the F-35 program isn't cheap.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      And they will be transported via tankers from Sevastopol harbor after russian fleet will be sunk and the harbor becomes a NATO harbor

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >after the russian fleet will be sunk
        After?

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    MiG-29

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    f-16's are just right

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    SU-57 the best plane on the market

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Su-75.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Kievan Rus will expand to cover the manufacturing facilities for the SU-57, so they're all set.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The last fighter pilot has already been born.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    License produced F-15s

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I want to see a fleet of twelve Antonov 225s carrying parts for the Ukrainian space program to Baikonur Cosmodrome.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    AerMacchi M-346

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    F-16s as Excess Defense Articles

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A new Antonov design.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    F-35 plus drone wingmen. Best for cost in the long run. Also some 15s maybe.

    Then drones for once they have the skies clear.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    none, they will be blown up infinity

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The day when the US gives Ukraine F-35 is the day when the US will consider F-35 obsolete. The danger of Russian spies getting classified information from it is too great.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not like they could do anything with the information. China already has their version of stealth aircraft, and Russia is in no position to capitalize on any technical information they happen to obtain.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >hurr reverse engineering
        You could develop doctrine designed to minimise F35's advantages and make sure that you play in to its weaknesses
        Eg: IRST system has a blindspot, RCS minimized only from the front, reflects a specific radar band that is more visible than others

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They could optimize their antiaircraft defences to be more capable of detecting and shooting down F-35. The same is true for their fighters. They could even clone the missiles.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm sure all 4 of the planned 13 S-700 systems actually constructed will prove incredibly formidable.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        contrary to what general public (and normies like you) thinks, stealth is not what makes the F-35 unique and true 5th gen. It's the avionics, sensors and information distribution, which Russia is 30 years behind and China, who knows, but certainly behind.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >which Russia is 30 years behind
          it's 50 years now, and if they lose their Su-35 fleet it'll be back another decade

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      We could hand the plans over to Russia but I’m not sure they have the material science production to even make one plane. Economically they are really too weak to get anything of substance going. Maybe they produce one copy. What’s that actually worth militarily?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The danger of Russian spies getting classified information from it is too great.
      Because they've been doing such a great job the last six fucking months...

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Russian spies getting classified information from it is too great.
      That, and China. Ukraine has a serious problem with giving China, and it's puppet state NK, aviation and aeronautic propulsion systems.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you're a debtor nation, you will have to sell those for almost nothing to keep afloat

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >still concern trolling about muh debt when EU and US agreed to freeze Ukie debt
        >lend lease isn't debt either

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The danger of Russian spies getting classified information from it is too great.
      Not like the Russians can produce the industry needed to make it work. But Id say F16/18s are better for them. The frugal option for them. They will need money for rebuilding primarily.

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    FA-50, it's the only realistic option. Plus it comes with compatibility with NATO aircrafts.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This.
      Poles will push ukies to buy the FA-50PL. Burgers will remember that ukraine is corrupt as fuck once the dust settles so no F-35 for them. F-16 has come to an end with only maintenance/upgrades for all the current units.
      Not even a bad option, the FA-50. Block 20 is looking solid.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >F-16 has come to an end with only maintenance/upgrades for all the current units.
        The fuck are you talking about? Lines are still open, and they won't stop making new F-16's until demand for them stops - which isn't happening anytime soon, it seems.
        https://www.airforcemag.com/lockheed-new-demand-for-f-16s-could-push-type-past-5000-mark/
        https://www.airforcemag.com/f-16s-to-serve-nearly-two-more-decades-replacement-choice-still-6-8-years-away/

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    maybe some Su-35 and Su-34 as reparations

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      bro therell be no su34 left by the time this war is done

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    F-16 and KF-21, and some upgrade kits for the Fulcrums and Flankers.

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    F-16s, they don't realistically need or can afford anything better.

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Indigenous An-F1 that use their radars to light up any Bears attempting their stupid probe flights during the waning days of the Russian Federation for the next decade.

    The torch for Soviet style fighters shall rightfully be passed on to the Ukrainians, this time with none of the stupid baggage about wings falling off after a gentle bump on the runway, fuel sold for money or just drunk for a quick fix, and monkey model excuses.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Ukrainians produce cheap euroflankers and eurofulcrums with western components for countries that cant afford top of the line western fighters
      >Pole fleet consisting of F35's and a shitload of modernized Malaysian like flankers
      >Balts might just scrap enough eurobucks to afford a jet airforce
      Muh dick

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They'll likely buy some old American planes, and with our blessing make something new out of them. They have a gift for engineering.

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    FA50
    Used F16
    Super Bugs?
    Gripen?

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gripen.
    Make SAAB Sales Team walk back from the precipice.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Unironically Gripen. I have zero faith in the Ukrainians ability to field F-35s but Gripen seems to be a platform designed for countries like Ukraine with limited infrastructure for an air force. Plus despite how shit it is it could probably shoot down anything the Russians have with ease.

      Honestly I am curious what the Ukrainians improve about it. They'll McGuyver it into some kind of horrifying badass.

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    meme answers aside, realistic options are:
    used F-16s
    used Gripens
    used whatever NATO countries will retire next (F-18s, Eurofighters, Rafales...)

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Unironically Gripen. I have zero faith in the Ukrainians ability to field F-35s but Gripen seems to be a platform designed for countries like Ukraine with limited infrastructure for an air force. Plus despite how shit it is it could probably shoot down anything the Russians have with ease.

      This pmuch

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      they could get about 50 tranche 1 Eurofighters from Germany and Austria
      they're only capable of A2A and probably expensive to maintain, but against MiG-29 and Su-27 they're probably still alright

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >tranche 1 Eurofighters
        Sell them to Saudis, Hans. They are the only people in the whole world to not mind throwing money at that piece of shit, or actually upgrade it to something useful.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          our politicians are too much moralfags to sell them to Saudis
          maybe Qatar, but even that is doubtful
          at least we'll get 38 tranche 4 Eurofighters to replace them now, guess the old tranche 1 will be scrapped then

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            By the time they train their pilots on it, it would become rather expensive determent to any future russian adventures. But hey, a bad bird is still better than no bird, I will give you that.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Eurofighters
        Have they not suffered enough ?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >but against MiG-29 and Su-27 they're probably still alright
        well then they should be enough right?

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Unironically Gripen. I have zero faith in the Ukrainians ability to field F-35s but Gripen seems to be a platform designed for countries like Ukraine with limited infrastructure for an air force. Plus despite how shit it is it could probably shoot down anything the Russians have with ease.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >it could probably shoot down anything the Russians have with ease.
      true, but they also need something with good air-to-ground, gripen is not exactly great at this

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Can operate from roads
      >decent radar
      >can add IRST targeting pods
      >dual seat version can act as a trainer and dedicated ground strike aircraft
      >meteors outrange everything russians have in A2A
      Too bad that it costs 80 mill a pop while f35 is just 20 mil more expensive

      if you get the cost to around at least 50 mil per unit it would sell like hotcakes

      When compared to F16 in ukraine context grippen is better due to the single fact that it can operate from road airstrips, let alone being able to employ fox3 that are state of the art.
      Try landing an F16 on a road with that toothpick landing gear and you would end up with a 10% loss rate due to landing accidents

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        F-35A is 80 million per
        Gripen is actually more expensive because nations that buy it buy a handful

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Gripen should be much cheaper to operate though.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Plus despite how shit it is
      let me guess, you think it get its ass kicked by some korean shitheap?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The way you immediately seethe about KAI with barely any provocation tells the whole story.
        The gripen's sole achievement is being better than the tejas. Talk about a low fucking bar.

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's going to have more weapons that it will ever need anyways.

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gripen

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pre war Ukraine looked at F-16/15/Grippens. Now I think it's almost guaranteed that new-ish F-16 will be the choice

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gripen, used F/A-18, used F-16, used F-15, used Typhoons

  30. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ICBM

  31. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the eurofighter typhoon

  32. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    FA-50/KF-21 like everyone else in their area.

  33. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I say probably F-16 or F-18.
    Maybe Eurofighter.
    If the US approves it, F-35 definitely.

    Gripen, Trainers, and Rafale are off the table.

  34. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Only seems polite to buy American or British.

  35. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Anons will spazz out but unironically Gripen
    >"cheap"
    >specifically designed for dispersed op's off freeways with minimal support (entire support unit can be fitted into one connex box)
    >90% of maintenance can be done by conscripts
    >only one or two professional technicians needed per plane
    >cheap operating costs
    >SAAB policy is that the customer can select whatever weapons systems they want and SAAB will do the intergration
    >SAAB policy is also that the customer can select whatever avionics they want and SAAB will do the intergration (hence no two Gripen operators have identical Gripen in their fleet).

    Its a no-brainer and anyone who disagrees is likely motivated by either jingoism or fanboyism

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This makes the Gripen look like the perfect fighter for Russia

  36. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What if the Russians begin to spam Su-57 in the following years against all odds (perhaps by getting Chinese hardware)?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It would be more threatening if they brought out the old Fishbeds

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      they'd have to finish it first

  37. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Didn't US set aside 100M to train Ukrainian pilots? If that's the case AFU probably already knows what F-XX plane it realistically wants. I am almost certain it will be F-16

  38. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Captured Su-34s

  39. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    F-16s are always a good choice. Gonna be lots of used ones up for sale cheap soon too.

  40. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I am gods most powerful F-35 fanboy and even I'm gonna say Gripen should be somewhere in the mix. Ukraine has been operating off of unimproved runways throughout the war and it's shown to have been invaluable for their defence. Gripen is really the only modern aircraft rated for that, so it would make a perfect fit for replacing their MiG-29s.
    F-16s are also a good choice, though getting long in the tooth. But preowned craft can be gotten for pennies and there are loads of spares. If we see them operating western fighters during this war, it'll be F-16s, since America can afford to give them and train the pilots.
    KF-21 would also be a good choice for an SU-27 replacer. AESA radar, 4.5 gen, hoping to go to full 5th in the future, not restricted due to import bans, brand new, already have okay relations with SK etc.
    Personally, I'd also upgrade their old Soviet birds just to fill the ranks, but depending on how well they do post-war that might not be necessary. Honestly though, it's just because I really like Fulcrums, I think they're cute.

  41. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Would be a treat for them to take over Russia's MIC. Imagine them making modernized NATO standard flankers and Su-57s, imagine the vatnik cope when they see the Ukes being everything they wish they were.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Stop, my dick can only get so hard.

  42. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >everybody says Gripen
    OK, but what about attack airplane replacement, like OPs Su-24? Surely Gripen is not up to the job

    picture unrelated :^)

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Most modern fighters can perform ground attacks just as good if not better than dedicated attackers.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        all the big air forces in the world have dedicated ground attack airplanes, I don't see an army as big as Ukraine just abandoning this role

  43. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gripen posters are delusional, no one is going to buy that plane.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Czechia is going to replace their Gripens soon, Ukraine might get them for good price afterwards. I wouldn't expect them to buy brand new jets.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You are onto something, but Ukrainians are already training on F-16s, and America can be very assertive. Just looks at Bulgaria.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          yeah used F-16s are 100% what they're getting first. And there will be a lot of those on the market soon.

  44. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >after the war ends

  45. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Thanks for the new background OP

  46. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    F16V for multirole
    F15-EX for air superiority
    Or SAAB Gripens. The Swedes really need a win.

  47. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    F15 for offensive operations

  48. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Second hand F-16s is a near certainty. Maybe F-15s and FA-50s/KF-21s if Polish Korea convince them.

  49. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ukraine ironically might be the recipient of a lot of discount modernized migs and sukhois.

    MiG and Sukhoi operator states are starting to hammer out exchange deals for access to US/EU-derived alternatives. The more NATO-aligned the country (like the Baltics, Balkans, and Germany), the more likely the US would facilitate procurement write-offs in exchange for donating their stock to Ukraine (part of the post-war Marshal Plan-type effort).

    Once established, perhaps years from now, the Gripen seems like the best fit for Ukraine. The A-10 might finally get jettisoned from the US in a way that most can agree on- giving to Ukraine. The US is not giving them stealth tech for a generation, no matter how aligned they are right now.

  50. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    watch russian purchases and do the opposite

  51. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Shittons of F-16.
    Or in an alternate reality: Viggens for low altitude hit and run interdiction/bombing. Man this plane would have been nuts in this war.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Did someone screencap the Viggen Experience? I have all the greentext but not the image. My point being that low level supersonic would fuck up Russian trenches without even having to fire a shot.

  52. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    F-35
    No reason to go small.

  53. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The answer to literally every single "what fighter should a country buy" question:
    F-35 if you're allowed to buy them (ukraine wont be)
    F-15 if you are not allowed buy F-35s (ukraine is too poor)
    F-16 if you're too poor for F-15s (the correct answer)
    Rafael if you are on america's shit list and cant buy any of the above

  54. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Loads of very old F-16 pulled out of storages.

  55. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Eurofighters for euro fighters

  56. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Despite being American, I will join in saying I hope they go for Gripens. Good looking plane that could fit their needs well.

  57. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    KAI FA-50 Block 20 would allow better coordination with Poland

  58. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Don't a lot of countries have old Soviet Planes?
    Not sure if Ukraine has the money to afford expensive Gripen Planes, can't they just buy used Migs from East Bloc countries that want to upgrade?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Slovaks and Poles still have their. Same for Bulgaria, I guess. Croatians, and Romania only got some MiG-21s left.

  59. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    old 747's so they can fly around looking for a new country that will accept them and are willing to get destroy by them as well

  60. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Canberra's, refitted for every role including air superiority. Their primary threat and only realistic opponent has demonstrated, for half a year now, that they are completely incompetent at air defence so the reduction in performance is irrelevant compared to the number of 1950's vintage jets Ukraine could field (even before they start spending some of the billions America has sent to them). Also the Canberra would be able to carry a powerful modern electronics warfare suite onboard for each of its loadouts, which would allow them to be used effectively even against enemies with competent air defence. Also there is no risk of any classified or sensitive NATO data potentially ending up in the wrong hands with this plan, whether that's due to espionage or corruption or even incompetence/malevolence on Ukraine's part.

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