What a good military grade shotgun for home defense? How much would it cost? Nothing too expensive please.

What a good military grade shotgun for home defense? How much would it cost? Nothing too expensive please.

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I would suggest an AR-15 with a silencer on it. Wait times for silencers is like a week now no joke.
    Shotguns have low capacity, are difficult to put silencers on, and have various other issues (risks of short-stroking).

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      for home defense you should probably get something that looks fuddish instead of some tacticool 37 pic rail monstrosity. At least that's what paul harrel always said, the thinking being if you ever have to blast some nig in your living room it looks better to a jury if it looks like some duck hunting gun rather than a gun you bought to kill people.

      https://i.imgur.com/j59OHQ6.jpg

      Frick ya mudda

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I used to get annoyed by anons suggesting AR's for every single applicaion, including home defense. Now I have an AR and I suggest it for every application because I think everybody should have one. However I still firmly believe a handgun with a light is the ideal home defense gun

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >However I still firmly believe a handgun with a light is the ideal home defense gun

        Well thats because youre an idiot.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You don't own guns.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          And your 16, maybe 19 tops

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >However I still firmly believe a handgun with a light is the ideal home defense gun
        Considering your taste in ARs this "hot take" really isn't surprising. The only thing worse than dealing with the extra bulk/size of a shoulder fired gun while clearing a structure is knowing that you might come around a corner and have to shoot it out with some dude with just a handgun when you could've had a rifle/shotgun. They do have a place but its firmly in the category of either "situational" or making the best out of a bad situation.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If an intruder is in your house and does not run at the sight or sound of a firearm, it's because they're there specifically to kill you. That's only something that happens in movies or to low life drug dealers. You're basing your home defense scenario on a John Wick fantasy you've conjured up in your head

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        a handgun is only a compromise until you get to your bigger guns.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why not an AR9?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      your gucci ARs will look terrible in front of a jury plea for self defense. using a stock mossberg may be the difference of getting jail time. not saying its right but you have to consider the optics and 556 over penetrating and risking hitting your neighbors. shotgun is better

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What? 00 is more likely to overpen interior walls that basic b***h m193 let alone fancy fragmenting 5.56

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          it only goes through 7 instead of 8! So much better!
          Overpenetration is such a moronic meme, the way people discuss it. Anything that's lethal to people will go through multiple layers of drywall without issue. And nothing reasonable is going to overpen after passing through someone.

          ?t=56
          shit like that is what you need to be worried about with overpenetration, not what ammo you're using.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This is a myth. Nobody has gone to prison for picking an AR over a fudd gun.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Nobody has gone to prison for picking an AR over a fudd gun.
          How could you possibly know that??

          The prosecutor WILL parade the gun in front of the jury. The entire point of that exercise is to scare them. How could you possibly know that no jury has ever been sufficiently scared to return a guilty verdict, but wouldn't have been scared by a different gun?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There are AR 12 gauges so it doesn’t even matter, and every state allows slugs. That’s more versatile for civilians than any larp setup

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Mossberg 500
    Mossberg 590
    Maverick 88

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This, but just the 88
      If you need to use it then it's just going to end up rusting inna evidence locker

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >poorgay can't afford a couple hundred on a defensive gun
        enjoy your hotpockets tonight

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's a bedside shotgun bro.
          OP doesn't need the heavier barrel, steel trigger group, more expensive finish or the tang saftey (just leave if off with an empty chamber)
          All the 590's upgrades make it a better shotgun in the field when it's being abused by the elements and 19 year olds jacked up on energy drinks.
          So if OP isn't a muhreen in Fallujah that needs all of that extra shit and just needs a solid HD shotgun I still recommend the 88. Spend the extra money on ammo, training and upgrades in that order.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            On a tangent most of the "training" I've seen in the US boils downn to "don't be a complete fricking moron"

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >military grade
      but is correct, or get a shockwave and sbs if length is a concern

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >mossberg
        >pistol grip
        No.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >not suggesting the based Serbu Super Shorty

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Military has used a number of pump action and semi-auto shotguns over the past like 120 years. I would recommend a Mossberg 500 personally, but an older used Remington 870 is a fine choice too. For semi-autos, a Benelli M4 is good but somewhat expensive. You can find Auto-5s for like $500 on the used market. I like my Auto-5 well enough but it kicks pretty hard when running full power slugs or buckshot. But that could be an issue with my friction rings.

          Does he even make those anymore?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Don't listen to Mossberg poor shills. Their whole company revolves around selling a copy of the 870 based on expired patents. The 870 has some important upgrades like non-slip shell stop bars. Mossbergs are on a timer to shit the bed when their shell stop bars bend, 870s can't because the shell stop bar extends past the shell for extra sturdiness. If you want to have your magazine tube become useless in the middle of combat go with a POSberg.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Mossberg 500s and Remington 870s have been the go-to military shotgun for decades for a reason.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >tfw have an old Ithaca 37 that can slamfire

      The good days.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    for home defense you should probably get something that looks fuddish instead of some tacticool 37 pic rail monstrosity. At least that's what paul harrel always said, the thinking being if you ever have to blast some nig in your living room it looks better to a jury if it looks like some duck hunting gun rather than a gun you bought to kill people.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      frick juries
      i have no true peers

      seriously though, imagine caring what a bunch of room temp npcs who can't even speak english would say? their opinions are worthless and i absolutely would use the most apt tool

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >their opinions are worthless
        Not saying that other anon isn't a moron (as far as I know there hasn't been a single clean self defense shooting that reached a guilty verdict off the defender's gun of choice). But those mouth breather's opinions do ultimately decide your freedom.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        unfortunately those opinions can put you in jail you tard

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          they can die trying

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      kino

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >get gloves with picatinny rails
      >someone tries to disarm you
      >they can't because your gun is literally attached to your body
      kino

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Auto 5
    Winchester 1897
    Remington 11
    Ithaca 37
    Winchester 12
    Get to scrounging your local pawn shops

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >He doesn't know about the Remington 31
      Embarrassing

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Forgets model 12
      Shameful.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Benelli for $1,000 bucks or more, then the other shit that costs probably $500 more like furniture, a light, and ammo. Frick manual action if you're betting your life.
    I'm not even an AR guy, but getting a $200 one and walking your shots at 10ft range while he goes into the ground would be cheaper.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >for home defense?
    Suppressed handgun, and a military or police issued semi-auto

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >walksoftlybigstickloadout.jpg

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What the heatsheild is that ?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Mesa Tactical saddle rail for the remington 1100/11-87, part# 94800

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You know you want the israelite gun

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Benelli m4
    Beretta 1301
    Beretta a300
    Browned auto 5 (with friction rings tuned you your hot load for any burgling hot lad)
    (All with a B?)
    Moss Berg
    If you want supershort with no NFA (in some states not otters) - The shookedwave.
    I cant speak for magfed shitguns

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    $1k too expensive? Depending on your hunker down situation a traditional shotgun might be better since you can lay it over the bed easier. The pistol grip on this means you'll be pretty exposed. It's fantastic otherwise though.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    'Military grade'?

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Mossberg 590A1 for pump
    Mossberg 930/940 or M4 for semi autos
    Frick reminginshit and their welded arm extractors.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what are your guy's thoughts on gauge? Everyone always jerks No. 4 off. I kind of want a shotgun to, and I was thinking maybe a 20 gauge, as far as I know it will still remove chunks from a person at close range, and I assume the ammo is cheaper for just having fun

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      whoops should clarify I was curious about both shot size and gun size

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      theres
      00 buck
      birdshot in 100 round packs of i dont really give a frick 7 1/2 or 8 i dont really care whatevers in stock and cheaper at the moment. imma buy a case and shoot some clays.
      then theres a bunch of other bullshit that people will argue about that for all practical purposes dont exist.
      you want no 4 good luck finding more than 4 boxes in an actual store.
      but i can buy those things nobody shoots off the internet yeah and you quickly find out that shits 10-60% more per shotshell than standard ass 00 buck of the same brand. yeah i want to pay more for weaker specialty ammo thats exactly what i want. nah frick that shit. 00 so i can actually practice and buy when i need more.

      its like people going on about matchgrade ammo or hollow points, for every box of those sold a hundred boxes of normal ass fmj were sold. its more important to practice and know how the shot will spread then it is to think ah this bullet is 5% better at significantly more cost.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I bought 50 rounds of #4 buck at 60 cpr online a few weeks ago.

        what are your guy's thoughts on gauge? Everyone always jerks No. 4 off. I kind of want a shotgun to, and I was thinking maybe a 20 gauge, as far as I know it will still remove chunks from a person at close range, and I assume the ammo is cheaper for just having fun

        20 is just fine for HD. If I was buying a shotgun just for that, it's probably get one. Although no, the ammo is more expensive since it's less popular.
        Also, yes #4 (#3 is more common for 20 ga) is a good choice for home defense although it's not like the larger ones are bad either.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >military grade
    whatever is cheapest at your local pawn shop

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Mossberg 590s is a good choice since it can fire normal, mini and large shells with no aftermarket modifications. Though if you live in a cucked state like me, you're limited to the 18.5 in barrel version which only holds 6+1 for normal shells instead of 8+1. 20in version holds 8+1 normal shells and 13+1 mini shells. I got mine for about $450 since it was on sale.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Military grade
    What did he mean by this?
    590a1 is the only one in production I can think of.
    Winchester 1912, Ithaca 1937, stevens 620a, and savage 67 all have adoption history with some branch or agency and those are the ones you're most likely to find in the used section at your local camping store, however there are others. Also the 870 is obviously somewhere on this list but I don't know enough to have an opinion. Can't say much on semi autos either.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Get a 12 gauge maverick 88 field/security combo and a mini shell adapter. it's a more economical version of the mossberg 500. The united states military uses the mossberg 590, which is very similar to the 500.

    Cruise is also an option, if that's more your speed.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Mossberg 500 is literally military grade. As is what the Remington pump 870 or so.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Every fricking thread
    >I'm looking for a [long gun]
    >NAH FRICK THAT BRO GET AN AR BRO

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I got a bolt action you might be interested in.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what about the beretta a300?it's cheaper than an m4

    • 3 weeks ago
      Resident Wumbologist

      Unless you have a compelling reason to go elsewhere, Mossberg 500, 590 or 590A1.
      If you want to go cheap Maverick 88. Don't get random Turkshit that's slightly cheaper. Mav 88 is the floor for acceptable quality pump shotguns.

      For Semi auto it's a crowded market full of dodgy Turkish guns. I've had good results with one of the Benelli M4 copies, but it's a gamble since there are defective lemons even in that realm. The price jump to a modern American or Italian semi auto is considerable. Beretta A300/Beretta 1301/Benelli M4 are the standard but we're talking $1200-2000 for those as opposed to a Mossberg pump going for $300-800.

      Suffice it to say if you want a good military grade shotgun on a budget it's going to be pump action.

      The A300 is a budget 1301. It's ok as a design, but even at it's relatively higher price point there have been lemons occasionally. The US factory Beretta set up for it isn't 100% perfect. The worst part of that deal is if you draw the short straw Beretta customer service is absolutely terrible.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I just picked up a 20 gauge Stoeger M3020 for $360 before tax and ship off Palmetto. Probably cheapest decent semi auto shotgun. They had a 12 gauge version up for around $400 but those sold out.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i recommend a good landline phone so you can call 911. police will be there in a jiffy.

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What a good military grade shotgun for home defense?
    there are like, two of these.
    you can get a Mossberg 590a1 for like, 500 bucks or a Benelli M4 for 2k.
    take your pick.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    if shotguns are so good for home defense how come the glowBlack folk doing home invasions only give them to one guy who shoots the door with it?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      because surplus M4s are cheaper

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Home defense vs home offense jimbo

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I heard a story about some guy defending his house in iraq. he dug a hole that he could stand in with a machinegun and put a couch over it to block grenades and shot at the feet of anyone that tried to walk through the door. eventually they just ran over his house with an apc. so based on this the best home defense gun that you could reasonably acquire would be a belt fed ar upper with a binary trigger.

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I will also throw in a vote for the 590A1. For added ridiculous overkill fun, it has a bayonet lug and even if not you could probably beat someone to death with it if need be. They made that barrel to be able to withstand bulkheads closing on it for the Navy.

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Guys, I'm having a weird problem with my Mossberg 500 (all-purpose 12 gauge). It keeps dropping every second round.
    >fully loaded tube mag
    >first round loads fine
    >shoot it
    >pump the action
    >second round falls out of the loading port
    >third round gets loaded
    This is a brand new gun, too. I'm literally its first owner. How do I fix this? I can't claim warranty, as I bought it a while ago, I only started using it recently.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      YOU ARE SHORT STROKING
      pump it deliberately

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/P42gnV1.png

        heres an illustration
        black is travel
        green is correct
        red is bad
        there are multiple types of shortstroking people generally only think of the top where they just dont push it back far enough but there are other possible frickups.
        my guess is you are stuttering 2nd down where recoil pushes the bolt back far enough to release the first shell then you slam the slide forwards then try to pump it back and forwards.
        pumping is a deliberate motion
        if you pause in the middle or shake like youve got parkinsons it could malfunction.

        This shit right here is why I don't keep a shotgun for home defense. They exhibit weird malfunctions.

        did you take it apart? if the shell stop fell out and you didn't notice it could cause a problem like that. otherwise it's
        >skill issue
        like the other people are saying.

        I just tried replicating the issue. Did multiple dry-cycles (ie. no shooting), and all five rounds loaded just fine each and every time. I even tried pumping sloppily to see if it really is a skill issue. Even when I was fricking up on purpose, it cycled fine.

        I will probably sound moronic, but this shit only happens when I'm actually shooting it. I've taken it to the range for testing twice, and only when I was shooting would it drop every second round.

        did you take it apart? if the shell stop fell out and you didn't notice it could cause a problem like that. otherwise it's
        >skill issue
        like the other people are saying.

        >did you take it apart?
        I have never taken it apart.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          assuming you were testing with dummy rounds and not live ammo did you pull the trigger like if you were shooting for real? some of the internal parts only engage when the hammer goes forward.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes I used dummy rounds, and yes I pulled the trigger. No live ammo involved. Still works fine. Only have this issue when it's actually shooting.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >I used dummy rounds
              Maybe they're more rigid than live rounds, so they feed better?

              Another issue I have with shotguns for home defense is that I'm supposed to load it and then store it ...probably for years (hopefully forever and I never have to use it). Temperature cycles and just the general pressure of the spring in the tube is probably going to deform the plastic casings of the shells.

              So anyway, you do you obviously - but I keep a handgun for home defense. I do have a shotgun, but I don't keep it loaded. If there was like, a natural disaster, it'd be perfect. But I don't intend to rely on it to stop a burglar.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're supposed to occasionally switch out the shells you have loaded to avoid issues like that, granted I've heard they're generally good for a decade or so. Definitely a limitation to using shotshells, but it's fairly easy to work around

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're supposed to occasionally switch out the shells you have loaded to avoid issues like that, granted I've heard they're generally good for a decade or so. Definitely a limitation to using shotshells, but it's fairly easy to work around

                Your supposed to shoot the shells twice a year.
                If you leave it in for over a year the plastic bulges under the constant spring compression. Not enough to make it unsafe to fire but enough that they wont feed smoothly and have to be forced into the chamber. 2+years is it wont fit in the chamber.
                Theres also the possiblity of the chambered shell rusting in your gun if its been years of neglect sitting there.
                Going to the range twice a year and shooting what was loaded isnt a huge ask and you should be practicing more than that anyways.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >will probably sound moronic, but this shit only happens when I'm actually shooting it
          Recoil might be jostling the mag retention thing loose. My buddy had the exact same issue with his brand new 500. We took it apart all the way& couldn't figure it out, always shucked the second round out the bottom. You should contact Mossberg, they'll take it in for free& fix it no charge

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      heres an illustration
      black is travel
      green is correct
      red is bad
      there are multiple types of shortstroking people generally only think of the top where they just dont push it back far enough but there are other possible frickups.
      my guess is you are stuttering 2nd down where recoil pushes the bolt back far enough to release the first shell then you slam the slide forwards then try to pump it back and forwards.
      pumping is a deliberate motion
      if you pause in the middle or shake like youve got parkinsons it could malfunction.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This shit right here is why I don't keep a shotgun for home defense. They exhibit weird malfunctions.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      did you take it apart? if the shell stop fell out and you didn't notice it could cause a problem like that. otherwise it's
      >skill issue
      like the other people are saying.

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/products2.cfm/ID/34461

    https://www.atlantarifleworks.com/shotguns/pump-action-shotguns/maverick-88-pump-12-ga-185-3-black-synthetic-blue-finish

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Are my shotguns /k/ approved?

    The 870 stock got replaced with a pistol grip stock. The Model 37 is from 1955 and can be slamfired.

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Mossberg 590 is the shotgun used by the US military so it’s “military grade” and relatively affordable.

    Also military grade just means lowest bidder to do the job required. It shouldn’t be your standard.

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