What 3a armor you guys using?

The most concealable and practical for actual real world use; I got some cheap botach panels but want to upgraded to some very thin newer stuff.

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Maybe some safelife hyperline or safariland hardwire?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I was looking at these but am not sure the best place to purchase them. Seems like the price is being artificially inflated, or maybe I'm wrong about that?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Seems like safelife hyperline, safariland hardwire and Highcom SA3920 is supplied by one manufacturer.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No idea about those but Highcom can be bought direct. Midwest armor is also an option.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Expired company shit. Put a paper trail on it for months and getting to the point to lawyer up about it. Outside of that my personal stuff is Safelife Multithreat IIIA+. For IV, I use RMA Defense plates.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    All of these are the same build and only .19" thick, personally I'm leaning toward the Highcom SA3920 armors; either wrap around or more concealable 10x12 plates cuts. I like to concealablity and price of 10x12 plates but full torso wrap around armor protects against knife threats

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have this very same vest and I'll shit you a knot, its a cheat code.
    4 fricking pennies thick, im israeli so I know how tall that is and it's quite impressive.

    Ignore the fact it isn't lvl 4 (still IIIA) its the easiest way to prevent you from getting a buck knife in your gut by a mugger. It's very comfy as well, I had to wear it for 2 weeks before the armor molded around my body perfectly like a Palestinian dawning a suicide vest.

    Only "downside" would be the shoulder straps can look a bit geometric to the human eye, so you'll look like you got PrepHole but if someone notices the square shape by your neck then it's possibile to ID. Solid choice regardless.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I thought soft armor isn't stabproof?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It looks like companies are offering protection from both now.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Just put a cutting board in front of it and you're good.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is the UARM cat shit or untrustworthy?
    Would putting a IIIA vest behind a III+ plate give you the protection of IV?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Would putting a IIIA vest behind a III+ plate give you the protection of IV?
      No. It would provide more protection but there's no way to know how much without testing. Its unlikely to do the same as level IV since its not calibrated to specific threats.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Thank you, learned one.
        And "NIJ tested" means frickall, right?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >And "NIJ tested" means frickall, right?
          Not inherently, but in most cases when referring to chinese plates, yeah. The standard for IV is like one hit of 30-06 AP, and it cant be within 2 inches of the paremiter. Not exactly rocket science to make a plate that hews to that, certified or not. Where it gets hairy is an ASSLOAD of imported plates just say "frick it" and have foam in that 2-inch paremiter area.
          Ultra high-end or very low-volume (usually both at the same time) plates generally arent NIJ certified, the cost far outstrips the benefit.

          For soft armor, the price and weight delta just isnt there to justify not getting a certified setup.

          Is the UARM CAT shit or untrustworthy?
          Would putting a IIIA vest behind a III+ plate give you the protection of IV?

          IIIA vest behind a III+ plate give you the protection of IV?
          Probably not, a ceramic III+ isnt gonna have the strikeface thickness to handle 30-06 AP. It just needs a little bit of ceramic to stall out M855 or 7n6

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Got it. Thank you, other learned anon.
            So how do I determine if something's good to go or not? The UARM CAT looks comfier/more concealable than Safelife's, but their testing doc is just one page with no notes.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Check the NIJ CPL. Its public knowledge https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/equipment-and-technology/body-armor/ballistic-resistant-armor

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Thank you.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yes. If it's not "NIJ Certified" with a proper NIJ stamp and a listing on the CPL, it's worthless. Well at least for American brands. Foreign plates have different armor standards and thus different approaches to certification if at all.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            On the other hand, I've previously seen US NIJ certified plates listed on websites as NIJ tested, presumably because whoever wrote the listing didn't know the difference.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah the phrasing can be iffy. The most important thing to see is a listing for that specific armor model on the NIJ CPL. Nothing else matters. If it's not on the list it ain't shit

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Frick UARM, their shit is uncertified. One of their poly plates got penned by a rated threat and they doctor ballistic test results to make themselves look good.
      >t. UARM buyer with regrets

      >Would putting a IIIA vest behind a III+ plate give you the protection of IV?
      Pretty sure it won't. Might slow down the round or break it apart, but I wouldn't hold my breath

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes. If it's not "NIJ Certified" with a proper NIJ stamp and a listing on the CPL, it's worthless. Well at least for American brands. Foreign plates have different armor standards and thus different approaches to certification if at all.

        I appreciate you both.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How the frick are UARM still exporting armor from Ukraine, when Ukraine is getting foreign aid in the form of armor plates? Seems like corruption, tbh.

        Yeah the phrasing can be iffy. The most important thing to see is a listing for that specific armor model on the NIJ CPL. Nothing else matters. If it's not on the list it ain't shit

        Lots of great plates aren't on the list. In fact, there are no high-end Level IVs on the list.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >How the frick are UARM still exporting armor from Ukraine, when Ukraine is getting foreign aid in the form of armor plates? Seems like corruption, tbh.
          I mean, I have zero inside knowledge, but if they're exporting garbage that doesn't work very well for civilian larpers, turning that into hard capital, and Ukraine gets real armor plates for its actual military instead, doesn't seem like it'd theoretically be a military corruption problem?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >doesn't seem like it'd theoretically be a military corruption problem?
            More like a societal corruption problem, I guess. Export garbage "plates" and scrap kevlar, receive gibs of new stuff.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              How is that corruption though, seriously? If it's all above the board and they're getting rid of stuff that's militarily useless to them, that's just legitimate surplus. No bribing, no tax evading, no depriving themselves, on the contrary it's strengthening themselves. And that shit is probably still gudenuf for what most foreign customers will ever use it for: nothing except larp. Maybe they face a handgun from a criminal someday. If you seriously expect to be facing regular rifle fire it's not the product you buy anyway duh.

              Basically it irritates my autism to see people just slap random adjectives to mean "this makes me angry". It's not "corrupt" to be selling cheap shit to people who want cheap. At worst it's a bad product/bad value, but that happens on the market and isn't "corrupt". I just got a bunch of cheapshit 9mm ammo to practice with. So far about 15% of it fails to fire, biggest dud rate I've ever seen. But I got 1000 rounds for 18.5cpr, even if only 85% of it works that's still cheap. It's cheapshit garbage that I paid cheapshit money for. I'd never risk my life on it but it's fine for its task.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I carry these at work as a mall cop. They feel comfortable around the body, they pretty much mold themselves to suit your body shape. They are reasonavly low profile as well.
    >NIJ3A & special threat protectiom against Tokarev

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Older 3 wrap around insert and level IV ceramic plates front and back. I’m a fan of more not less. The Hugger can break don to a low pro soft armore carrier only if that’s needed.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have a 3A Safelife vest.

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