We're soon to be entering a new age of 100+ ton military space payloads. What do you think the DoD will be putting up?
We're soon to be entering a new age of 100+ ton military space payloads.
We're soon to be entering a new age of 100+ ton military space payloads. What do you think the DoD will be putting up?
Hopefully nothing they can't lose to the automated self-destruct mechanism triggering unnecessarily.
Wasn't unnecessary. Starship ran out of LOX about a minute too soon, which probably indicates some sort of leak. That put it off trajectory, which would have set off the AFTS to keep it from coming down over Africa instead of north of Hawaii.
SuperHeavy is still somewhat of a question mark; has AFTS been confirmed yet, or did it suffer a structural failure? My initial suHispanicion is that the flipover maneuver will have to slowed down, which will reduce the lateral G-load at the cost of slightly more fuel wasted before the rocket comes onto its return course.
As for good news, Stage 0 does not appear to need much in the way of modifications, and all 39 engines seemed to run correctly until the booster flip.
>SuperHeavy is still somewhat of a question mark; has AFTS been confirmed yet, or did it suffer a structural failure?
If you watch the booster's explosion you'll see three distinct events. There's a gradual increase in leakage from the engine section as engines shut down, then a small vapor cloud along the side of the rocket, and then the massive explosion.
If I had to guess that small cloud is the start of the AFTS unzipping the rocket. The good news is the top dome didnt look like it was involved, so hot staging PROBABLY wasnt the problem, unless the negative gload on the booster from the thrust against he top dome caused failures elsewhere.
booster lost control and what can be told from the footage of starship and the UI elements showing LOX and methane tank stats, the LOX tank experienced a leak at the end following a rapid RUD
The lox leak might have been the fts
>We're soon to be entering a new age of 100+ ton military space payloads.
it blew up tho
fpbp
Isnt only the first stage blew up after it was disconnected? So the rocket is fine.
It may have triggered a self destruct so it’s hard to know what was really the problem. Could be fundamental
First stage was destroyed on command when it malfunctioned after detachment. The payload completed its mission.
wrong, they had a failure very late in the S2 burn as well
personally I'm going to Side 3
>100+ ton military space payloads.
Heavy enough to crush the human spirit.
what wonders will we accomplish when our souls are no longer chained to this ball by gravity?
Shut up Char.
I'm not Char
Ok Lt. Bajeena
>souls
Zeonaggers don't have souls so they don't have to worry about that, kinda why they murder real humans every 3 seconds.
More liek what new horrors will we discover
Autonomous, low orbit reconnaissance vehicles, more of the same they do now. And they totally won't put weapons on them
an absolute fuckpile more high resolution satellites. mirror stonks soon.
don't forget
https://spacenews.com/spacex-wins-102-million-air-force-contract-to-demonstrate-technologies-for-point-to-point-space-transportation/
this is an incredibly stupid picture and concept.
Tungsten rods, hopefully.
If the PRC wants to get the semiconductors they can burn in hell for it
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3229990/chinas-hypersonic-tungsten-rod-experiment-challenges-us-rods-god-space-weapon-concept
China already researched that, its not that viable.
>Ti Nai Wang couldn't do it so it's not viable
What's possible for whites isn't necessary possible for others. 😉
Ballistic physics is same for given property. Unless you wish to conjure some magical item that can bend physics
space? waste of energy, the first stage is a nice MRBM with +1400 tons of payload.
>4600 W88 warheads
>2,185,000,000 tons of TNT
The B41 was more efficient (not need of reentry casing), 5.2MT/ton.
7GT of payload.
bye bye civilization.
>LGM-286 "Sea People" MRBM
Oh god i need a cluster Starship with 5000 Mk 82's.
>soon
Come back when they successfully orbit. Two more weeks, right?
>you will never land a rocket booster!
is what they used to say
going to be fun to see your cope go obslete in time too
this test launch was a smashing success.
>proved out the new eTVC
>full SH burn without losing a raptor
>proved out hot staging
>long burn on starship, got to 150x50km pseudo-orbit before FTS
>proved out the deluge and showed that the design keeps S0 from damage
NASA HLS managers are quite happy
closer to 150x-1400, which is still pretty good
ah yes my bad
Don’t forget about those heat resistant tiles falling off
>pseudo-orbit
That's what we're calling it now?
A wet fart would push that into a full orbit. This launch shut down 30s too early though.
Doesn't matter
Suborbital
fun facts, even if the rocket didn't explode it was always destined to be a suborbital test
Proofs?
the plan was always a trajectory that led to reentry over hawaii, the only way it was ever going orbital was something going very wrong.
glad i don't live here
Anon i don't want to alarm you but there are satellites flying over your head at orbital velocity RIGHT now
WTf a starlink just flew over my house!!
but no seriously the chance of a sat being intact and hitting the ground is low
we already have pictures of large chunks of starship surviving FTS and reentry
personally im glad i don't live here
subtle
>A wet fart would push that into a full orbit.
Well, it does run on methane.
Yes, Starship isn't going to a real orbit in the test in the first place. It was always going to be a pseudo orbital one that falls short after 3/4 cycle due to the nature of the test.
In fact, the Starship 2nd stage FTS was triggered right on the cusp of SECO, right as it shutdown its engine for the coast phase. We dont know why FTS was triggered on Starship, but it was nearly at the end of its engine burn and was about to enter the silent coast period, whereby the next stage was merely re-entry.
>but it was nearly at the end of its engine burn and was about to enter the silent coast period, whereby the next stage was merely re-entry.
this is the part that hurts the most
it was nearly fucking done
It’s better a mistake is found earlier on than the rocket somehow making it and the issue is discovered later
they were a few hundred km/h short, anon
yes, and the rocket accelerates faster the less fuel it has to carry, you do know how delta-V and burn times work, don't you anon?
yeah, they were 30 seconds out or something
you're not wrong, but compared to total burn time they were pretty damn close, sure not "skin of our teeth" close but they were almost there.
Have you seen the proposed spaceX scheduling? They’re literally prepared for for prototype testing every two weeks if regulators permit. That’s actually insanely amazing if you get your head out of your cynical loser ass for a second
> if regulators permit
that is a big if
It is, but regardless of regular time frame, the testing schedule will be unprecedented this year
I’m a physicist. I get excited about things in my field because my interest in them isn’t limited to taking retarded online potshots at CEOs
>I’m a physicist. I get excited about things in my field because my interest in them isn’t limited to taking retarded online potshots at CEOs
you're an easily fooled and lying retard and you just told me so no wonder you idolise scams, frauds and conmen
What part of spaceX is a con? Sounds like you have no idea what you’re talking about
The biggest con is that it is considered a commercially viable company. they live of government money. But they have delivered some neat technology, I guess.
>commercially viable company. they live of government money.
And? There are a lot of commercial companies that live on gov funds, Lockheed Martin for example.
Also SpaceX has a lot of non-gov projects and satellite launches.
I'm not saying it's necessarily a problem. just that it's a farce to pretend that it is a viable company, if it wasn't getting handouts. like a lot of people like to do.
Those private contracts would not come close to paying for the development put into starship. at best they could run falcon 9 with super tight profit margins. The reusability of boosters is only barely an advantage.
>The reusability of boosters is only barely an advantage.
cope
>The reusability of boosters is only barely an advantage
Its cool as fuck even if that statement was true.
that is true. and like I said, they do deliver neat technology. even if the additional cost and maintenance of the boosters means that it is only just viable to do.
>The reusability of boosters is only barely an advantage.
it's pretty important because the intent is to launch starship with a very high cadance, like every week or even every 3 days, which would be impossible if they disposed of 39 raptors each time (seeing as even although they're very cheap and churning them out unlike RS-25s they only make 2 a day at the moment).
This is the whole point, huge payloads to LEO regularly and at short notice, not once a year with a 5 years of planning.
okay, then do the math. each booster will be out of commission for refurbishment for what, weeks close to a month, if the turnaround time of falcon 9 is anything to go by? and even with refurbishment, engins don't last forever. you are a smart boy. do the math and tell me how large a stockpile of engines you need to keep that launch schedule...
How many times can a booster be re-used?
i am not entirely sure anyone who actually knows for cirtan would be willing to tell you the exact number. But SpaceX did many years ago say that the falcon 9 would cut launch costs by like 75%, and they projected to reuse the boosters like 20 times. the project has cut launch costs by what 5-8% ish? so my guess would be about 5 reuses?
>the project has cut launch costs by what 5-8% ish?
launch costs are not launch prices you moron
internal cost is completely different to the price they charge customers
impressive numbers either way, considering the stress the alloys must be under doing such tasks.
That it is. modern super alloys are quite amazing. we use some at work, and we have the latest coatings on our tooling. the stuff can still chew up an end mill if you aren't carefull.
You mean how many boosters? If the turn around time is 1 month, and they launch once a week, then they'd need 4 boosters, plus a couple spare for contingencies. If they were making a new booster each time they need to be making more than 5 engines a day. having a big stockpile is meaningless if they intend to do this long term, you need to replenish it constantly. You can think of recovering a booster as increasing your manufacture of engines by 1/day.
falcons are on 18 missions, starship aims for 50-100, but it's unknowable until you try.
why would you undercut your competition by more than 10%? If you had an insanely cheap rocket, rather than passing on all the profit to satellite companies why not just become the biggest satellite company in the business?
I doubt SpaceX would want to run the starship in perpetuity. So stockpile does matter.
and you do want to keep competitors out and secure your market share. so there is your reasons to further drop the costs to launch.
18 missions. okay sure. this is the ship of theseus. Not the pile of parts we replaced along the way.
And yeah it's completely unknowable. But if you bank on a what 7 fold increase in reusability in one generation, you are insane. materials science isn't moving that rapidly...
>18 missions. okay sure. this is the ship of theseus. Not the pile of parts we replaced along the way.
spacex is essentially doing no work on the ships now after each launch
I have extremely little faith in that. the tooling my company produces works in much less hostile environments and is serviced often. not only because it is needed. But also, as the customers demand it as risk management. And we are not running an operation where a failure would mean the loss of a satellite.
most of the sats launched lately are starlinks so they are the customers lmao
and yet you happily get in a 20 year old 737 that goes 5000 hours between engine tear downs.
read this - https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/space/spacex-building-airline-type-flight-ops-launch it goes into details about how they turn around the falcon 9s so quickly.
something people don't understand about these engines is that they're conceptually speaking very simple, the most maintainance they do on it is replacing some of the turbine blades every once in a while and cleaning out the soot.
rocket engines are complicated, but this does not stem from the amount of moving parts, rocket engines actually have very little moving parts compared to jet engines.
so if you can get a rocket engine to work for a long time, there's very little work to be done on it.
>and you do want to keep competitors out and secure your market share. so there is your reasons to further drop the costs to launch.
they have more or less sewn up the launch market.... there's just national launch providers for russia/china/europe, and ULA kept on life support... and a few small sat launchers. they can't eat up any more, hence why they created their own demand with starlink.
tbf the commerical and govtrack launch market was not really that big to begin with. 4-5 billion usd total pre spacex if memory serves correct. Starlink alone is set to double it if the predictions about potential user base pan out
You're missing the part where they're focusing as much on building the factories to build Starships as much as they are only building the Starships themselves. SpaceX has no intention of ending Raptor production until and unless it gets replaced by something even better.
What a smug dunning kruger retard
bro they can hit every three days with Falcon 9, are you retarded?
they're aiming for multiple a day with Starship
>The reusability of boosters is only barely an advantage.
The reusability of the first-stage booster is what has increased SpaceX launches from a dozen a year to almost a hundred a year and led to SpaceX absolutely dominating the global market (outside of China) and crushing Russia's launch industry even before the invasion. With Starship, the second stage becomes fully reusable as well. It's kinda a big deal.
>the reusability of boosters is only barely an advantage
and now we know you're retarded and nothing you say should ever be taken seriously ever again. could've ousted yourself as a retard earlier anon.
pray tell, if it's such a marginal advantage, why is almost every single player in space, government and private, from every part of the political spectrum converging on the idea that booster re-use is necessary?
fucking dipshit.
NASA/military launches are not where SpaceX makes most of its money. The military industrial complex aerospace companies are a much bigger problem here.
So you consider Boeing/Lockheed/Microsoft/Apple/etc a failure because gov funds them billions of dollars?
Microsoft and Apple would still be viable if they only sold commercial products. R&D would probably be slower. and no they aren't failures for doing so. but pretending that they are just completely independent is retarded. And people like to pretend thats the case. "hurr look at SLS. it's a guberment money burning pile. SpaceX does the same and more."
while in reality, it is pretty similar money burning piles.
Are Microsoft and Apple money burning piles?
What are you smoking dude?
I am literally saying they could keep the lights on only through sales. that the opposite of the words you are trying to put in my mouth.
The gov buys rocket that carry 10 stuff into orbit for $100
Another company comes in and says, we'll carry 100 things to orbit for $50.
>they're both the same
ah yes, those numbers are exactly correct and at is also the exact same scope and requirements that there are for the two projects.
Yep. Its competition at work. Companies compete for same work order. SpaceX has saved US tax payers ~$50B that would have otherwise gone to Boeing/Lockheed/ULA for the same amount of work
>while in reality, it is pretty similar money burning piles.
>that the opposite of the words you are trying to put in my mouth.
Are you sure?
>I am literally saying they could keep the lights on only through sales
Yeah, but why not have some funding from the gov?
yes why not? I have never said that in itself is bad and can't deliver results. but what is retarded and dishonest is to pretend that it isn't happening.
Elon is a fucking idiot and a clear example of how autisistic people are, in fact, not immune to propaganda, but there's really nothing like SpaceX and what they're doing is quite inspiring
>isuckelonoffonreddit.com
Hey man get with the times, redditors hate elon more than anyone other than trump now. any positive discussion of spacex over there has to begin with "i hate elon but...." or the lynch mob will tear them apart
I follow spaceX religiously and the only thing I know about Elon musk is that he bought Twitter and owns Tesla and smoked weed on a podcast with Joe rogan. Also he had that thing with the submarine when those kids were trapped in a mine
Its not just reddit, its the entire political left that hates him for buying twitter. Which was their tool for propaganda in controlling the narrative. They lost that tool and they went after him
>Elon is a massive homosexual, and literally everyone is catching on
>"IT'S A LEFTIST COMMIE CONSPIRACY, LE BASED ELON TRIGGERING LIBRULS"
Well, despite him running that godawful site into the ground and bleeding money harder than before, at least he'll be very glad to have you sucking his cock in a mongolian basketweaving forum, Anon.
Him killing twitter is good though, that site is a blight on mankind. If nothing else it will force elevens to fuck off to websites that can actually properly archive artworks.
Oh don't get me wrong, that's the one thing he's doing right.
As I said, a tool for propaganda is what they lost and have went after him nonstop to destroy him.
Retard, people have been on his ass ever since he chimped out and accused that rescue worker of being a pedo for not using his shitty robot. He was court ordered to buy twitter for the sum he kept boasting about, and now he fired every mod and maintenance worker and is just tweeting edgy shit to get in with the Q boomers.
>rescue worker
1) he's not a rescue worker, he's a british ex-pat, who called BBC/UK to the problem at hand where by the actual divers came in
2) don't act like it wasn't common to accuse old white expats who go to thailand to find brides as pedophiles wasn't the default/common thing. Thailand is called sex tourist capital of the world for a reason, particularly for the pedophiles
>I can just call people pedophiles on twitter when I'm a billionaire!
No, that's libel. Get over it.
Libel is when there's financial damaged done. The fact that he was seen as a hero, the British Prince who was caught with Epstein's prostitute went to see this guy and defended him, the fact that media destroyed Musk for calling a common insult AFTER Musk was insulted on live TV by the guy, doesn't lend him any sense of libel. He went to court and lost
Oh, didn't realize I was talking to an actual child. Sorry anon I'll leave you to your delusion.
If you're not able to see reality and are fixed on your narrative, the problem is bigger than Musk for you. Your whole sense of being is being overwritten by someone else
>sucks dick for a billionaire tech bro who now actually controls a propaganda tool
>"You guys aren't independent thinkers like me. Le hecking based tech man told me so."
Sure thing homie.
your headcanon does not get more compelling by repeating it, anon.
>S-shut up!
No.
>NOOOO STOP GETTING IN MY HEAD, MY HEADCANON IS TRUE YOU CANT JUST DISTURB MY FANTASY WORLD
delicious seethe. nta but you really should make yourself less easy to bully.
Nah anon, people knew he was a fucking idiot well before he bought Twitter. Him being an absolutely shockingly bad executive at Tesla, the shit with Solar City (it's stunning he didn't go to prison for it, I'm not joking), and the repeated stupid shit he did at SpaceX that was only negated by Shotwell, the real leader of SpaceX.
It just took him coming in and being an idiot on Twitter that made most people realize how infantile he is. Anyone who was paying attention knew he was a retard at latest when he changed MCT/ITS (both incredibly cool names) to BFR because haha Doom haha F word.
BFR was an internal code for the project long before. In fact, it was used during the Falcon 1 days. But you wouldn't understand that, instead you have a narrative in your head, and you seek frivolous justification to make coherent sense of that narrative.
Nobody fucking cares dumbass. Calling your theoretical Interplanetary Transport System BFR in public when you're an executive in charge of a company is peak retardation. A lot of people lost respect for him after that stunt. Stop guzzling his boot polish.
The narrative setting your goals is triggering you. Its a powerful one that overrides reality and focuses only on aspects that support the narrative fixed in you.
I honestly can't believe his approach of turning into a right wing/libertarian/alt-right figurehead actually worked. He has so many people sucking him off.
Hopefully you guys will wake up before something really bad comes out.
space exploration can't be done by leftists
fucking facts
People whose job is to bitch about other people doing hard work dont matter in life.
Good thing I'm not talking shit about SpaceX then, eh? I'm just talking shit about a retard on twitter who keeps getting sued for doing dumb shit.
I hold my position the same. Nu-marxist communist dont matter in life.
spacex wouldn't exist without musk
thus elon is a god who should be above every law
>A lot of people lost respect for him after that stunt
only in your delusions
scientists and engineers love naming shit like that
just look at all the large telescope names
>A lot of people lost respect for him
People that dont matter in life and nothing would change if they simply had disappeared before they were born.
shotwell doesn't run shit btw
and if you knew anything about shotwell you would know she is far crazier than elon
she wants to send shit to the next solar system ASAP
>only negated by Shotwell, the real leader of SpaceX
Didn’t she make a tweet about it?
I was about to say this, reddit absolutely hates elon and anyone who says anything slightly positive about him. It's almost impressive how quickly they can flip on someone/thing. Reminds me of that part in 1984 where The Party changes who they are at war with and everyone instantly goes along with it.
Brilliant Pebbles
army recruitment space billboards
Unironocally big fuckin space lasers and whatever comes after the x37b to deliver precision guided munitions.
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>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conventional_Prompt_Strike
Too mundane. Let's get some gamma-ray powered lasers instead.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Excalibur
If its any indication, the X37B needs a falcon heavy now for the higher energy missions they want... DoD is gearing up
What is the reason they don't make a giant ATACMS missile out of the starships? Just will the whole cargo space with bomblets and send it to anywhere on Earth.
>ATACMS
Just put them inside starship
>a missile that releases a cluster of missiles that release a cluster of submunitions
>starship outfitted as a W54 cluster munition
deployable bomblet reentry capsule
once you've built it, replace the bomblets with navy seals or something
Just have it drop millions of slaughterbots
You know that ICBMS exists right?
There is no ICBM capable of delivering 250 tons of cluster bombs though.
Current nuclear missiles are tiny compared to the Starship.
do you think you'll dig into hell if you tried to make a silo to fit starship
The Chinese have been using decomissioned ICBM Silos to launch their Launch March Rockets, and they work. Couldn't the US use old Cold War era silos for the Starship?
imagine the silo big enough to fit a starship
Starship is three times the length of icbms
>Couldn't the US use old Cold War era silos for the Starship?
too Star Trek.
I LIKE TO DREAM YES YES
They also use old TEL for launching space rockets
The US has been using old ICBM boosters to loft smaller payloads, the booster is/was called Minotaur IV.
BUt I'm fairly certain that for such light payloads it'S actualy cheaper to just buy aa RocketLabs launch than to refurbish some old-ass solid rocket booster that has been in storage for three decades.
rocket borne Quick Reaction Unit base. all personnel and equipment housed on site for lickedy splickedy response times. https://youtu.be/xtji4oRvcdA?si=rMearmgtEOJD3Lwd
deez nuts
looks like the hot stage flip manouver caused fuel slushing and gasses to be sucked into the piping. Once those pumps suck gasses into them they tear themselves apart.
explains the erratic reignition sequence on the boosters compared to the systematic shutdown pre hot stage
I think there was a breech unrelated. looking at the footage, it's gassing off something near the engines.
that's because one of the turbines fucking exploded after ingesting a few gas bubbles
they won't do it
it's literal ICBM with burger king truck payload
It's only about 50 launches to build your own 10,000 ton space guided missile cruiser.
does SAR scale with like power output? Could a 100 ton SAR bird resolve like the change in your pocket?
I don't know but that sounds cool enough that i want to say yes
no
it might scale with size
How about the ability to take tons OUT of orbit. Meaning, a Chinese satellite chomper. Steal and land enemy spy sats intact for reverse engineering
>He needs a 100+ ton rocket to deliver something that the Chinese have been fielding already
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/44054/a-chinese-satellite-just-grappled-another-and-pulled-it-out-of-orbit
That's a kino patch
I don't see those satellites coming back to earth in tact m8
>Smoothbrain and Chest thumping American doesn't know about the Kessler effect, and doesn't understand how having the capability to deorbit enemy satellites without destroying It into fragments is advantageous in space warfare
hey retard, the guy specifically mentioned bringing satellites back to earth in tact
Are you illiterate or just retarded?
Kessler effect doesn’t exist for sats as low as Starlink.
watch and weep ziggers. Burgers could do what your (ukranian built) N1 could not do in seven test flights. On second launch too without blowing the pad up. Must suck to suck
It's fuckin beautiful
futuristic as fuck
*Yawn*
It still blew up.
Call me when it actually works.
Could this be used on battle field to dab on trenches? Like come in with no payload but enough fuel to scorch a particular spot and boost back to launch site for refuel.
>we achieved something you ziggers didn't... after 60 years of experience & research & mindboggling leaps in electronics&material science.
>this nagger is implicitly comparing the Raptor with the NK-15
Let's see the current state of roscosmos
The Saturn V was 2 years before the N1, not 60 years after. SLS 1st launch was a success but costed 12 billion, Starship has cost 2 billion so far and both of its launches were more successful than the N1 ever did.
Absolutely annihilated
America is truly the center of the world, and I'm not even shitposting or trolling when I say this
Your mama
You know, if you went back to 2006 and said the weird faggy paypal guy will be launching rockets more powerful than the Saturn V you'd be checked into a mental ward.
Amazing how clean methane rocket engines burn, there’s barely any smoke trail.
Yeah: https://youtube.com/shorts/LyThoF0bFUQ?si=7elNrqFyNGiQNlQk
These are especially efficient because they run all the propellant going thru the preburn into the combustion. It’s a pretty new design, only ever done by the Russians before, I believe
n1, also had multiple small engine design
And was almost done before Gulagniks pussied out and fucked it up.
>We're soon to be entering a new age of 100+ ton military space payloads
So something the Saturn V was doing over half a century ago?
>So something the Saturn V was doing over half a century ago?
Yeah except we will be able to do it for about 1/10.000th of the price per ton and two hundred times as often.
what is the big deal about starship exactly? like what are its practical implications?
we can start doing sci-fi space shit
Its a low cost, high capacity, rapid reuse rocket system.
In its expendable mode, it can lift ~300 ton to Low Earth Orbit.
In its reusable mode, it can lift ~150 ton to LEO.
Furthermore, once fully mature, it can be REFUELED again in orbit. Never before have we had any sort of capability like this in our history of human existence. The best we got is Saturn V from NASA and that does 130 ton to orbit, but it costs ~2B per launch. SLS does ~90 ton to orbit, it costs ~4.2B per launch. Starship costs prob ~100M per launch fully expended. With reuse, its likely ~50-70M per launch to customers and ~20M to SpaceX themselves.
The best part about Starship is it BTFOs the SLS trashheap and instantly makes it more worthless than it already was. God I hate that project so much.
cope and seethe muskrat
Also in practical terms, it can put an equivalent of ISS in 2 launches vs 30+ launches from Space Shuttle. The starship itself can also fly and stay in orbit and be refueled in orbit thus making it a reusable space habitat as well.
Further military implication is, if US Space Force buys ~10 of these and parks 5 of them in orbit at all times, while using other 5 to refuel, they can have an orbital carrier which can house 100+ crewmen with lasers/nukes/etc in orbit that can land back on Earth once the mission is done, restocked, resupplied, etc.
If (when) it becomes real it will make sending stuff to space more akin to chartering a cargo flight and dropping your shit into the cargo hold than a multi-year multi-million dollar project where you have to design your own custom hardware every time.
it's a big rocket that is cheap because it can make multiple trips instead of being thrown in the trash every time
cheap mass in orbit means sci-fi shit starts happening and I try to open a cloud casino on Venus or something
Nasa, and pretty much everyone else makes one use rockets. Some SpaceX Falcons have done 18 flights and this is intended to be a BFO Falcon with a re-usable orbiter.
How much taxpayer money has been spent so Elon "King of the Grifters" Musk could launch garbage into a suborbital trajectory?
Less than has been given to Israel
Don't worry little Musklets I'm sure if the government just gives Elon another billion in subsidies he'll take you to Mars any day now.
>subsidies
its payments for research and development + services
its milestone based too, so no payments unless they reach those milestones
Earthers will be nuked where future Martians are going. Either nuking themselves due to WEF 2030 rule or by Martians as they launch their asteroids on an orbital trajectory towards your little cities
10 Trillion dollars and 150 years later Earf gets ROCKED by superior beltalowda
STAY AWAY FROM DE AQUA
I want Drummer to call me a Welwala
Lets cancel fucking SLS then
Less than your tranny castration surgery
>constantly whines about government subsidies to spaceX
>not a single complaint about ULA and Boeing and the $20billion white elephant they're building
it really is just because Musk rubs people the wrong way, no ability to detach personalities from the actual hardware being developed.
IMO, its simply Musk is a threat to the establishment elites who made their fortunes in oil/war/politics/media. They control the interests and Musk is a threat to those interest groups.
How is he a threat to them? If he's a threat to them, why are they financing him?
Musk's financials are silicon valley investors from early 2000s that saw potential in him with Paypal. Not from the oil barons, or the war economics or the political elites or the media elites.
But banks from Silicon valley belongs to oil barons, war economists and politician elites. Not to mention the whole Silicon valley itself.
His companies tresspass on the domain of those other old money elites. Tesla in tackling oil/gas/power plant cartels. SpaceX in taking money from large defense contractors like ULA/Boeing/Lockheed/etc. Starlink erodes power over large internet companies, which also owns media giants. Twitter competes with media giants.
Some banks do. Some don't. The money for his company is seeded largely by small ground of individual investors. Once it became public others simply wanted a big pie of the company. Now his companies are printing money and they're reaping rewards as a result.
There's one particular bank like JPMorgan Chase that has always shorted Tesla since its first initial public filings. They hate Tesla with passion. There's also Biden's chief financial donation organizer Jim Chanos who has shorted billions against Tesla and lost a lot as a result. There are political interest within the current admin that absolutely hates Tesla/Musk and his companies because of their losses in betting against Tesla
>The money for his company is seeded largely by small ground of individual investors
>The biggest con is that it is considered a commercially viable company. they live of government money
So is it the government or small investors? Who is lying here?
>Now his companies are printing money
SpaceX has a printing money machine!?
Anyway, you sound like a schizo from pol, go back retard.
>SpaceX has a printing money machine!?
yes
starlink
Gov buys launches from SpaceX
Gov buys fast food from McDonald
Gov buys laptops/phones from Apple
~50% of SpaceX money for this year comes from Starlink customers. Next year, its ~66%. The year after that, its stated to be ~80%+
That's good, so what's your point?
What was yours again? Gov shoudn't pay companies for goods and services they procure? Or that anything gov procures from any companies means the company is a failure?
Nah, that was someone else. Me is here:
>There's one particular bank like JPMorgan Chase that has always shorted Tesla since its first initial public filings. They hate Tesla with passion.
They shorted Tesla because its price-to-earnings is currently in the mid-70s, and the four year average is 283. Its price-to-earnings peaked in 2020 at a mind-boggling 940.
You heard it here first, people. The guy constantly in the top 5 richest people on the planet is not part of the system. Now please buy some Tesla keychains at the Amazon fulfillment center while slurping on your Starbucks onions latte, you renegade freethinker you!
Look at who those in power tell you to hate/fear and who they tell you to love.
Your belief system is wrapped by the understanding. But if you understand the mechanism, and try to unravel the programming you see the opposite.
>Look at who those in power tell you to hate/fear and who they tell you to love.
You mean like a billionaire with a social media platform constantly posting people telling them what to love and hate?
Why do you think you hate a person so much, you hate everything about the person from everything they do with all their companies?
Its not a real emotion or a belief. Its made up of information you consumed told to you by the ones that control how to think/belief/love/hate about some guy you've never met, who is changing the world, and you're told to hate him.
Does that not sound strange to you? You just randomly start walking on the street, you see someone and then immediate start hating everything about them, what they do, love, act. Its not normal behavior. Its your programming
Also, this type of programming isn't so strange. Its the usual demonization process that you see in war/politics from the media.
>Nobody can think he's a retard for his words and actions
>It must be the deepstate
>Why do you think you hate a person so much, you hate everything about the person from everything they do with all their companies?
Because he's personally a mega-douche and he mismanages companies?
>i-it's mismanaged!!
>The company's rockets powered 66% of customer flights from American launch sites in 2022, and handled 88% in the first six months of this year
>mismanages companies
hmmm
so you're saying instead of SpaceX/Tesla being at the top of the world, they would be doing even better?
You have EDS m8
>twitter
>caring what happens to twitter beyond cheering when it gets shut down
>somehow projecting this onto complaining when he does something good
yeah
>Which company exactly did Elon Musk mismanage, hmmm?
>twit---
>THAT DOESN'T COUNT!!!!!!!
I'm sorry your feed got filled with chuds when you kept replying to them
It's called X, actually
Formerly Sneeder's
Staraship is privately funded, Elon only gets stolen money for the lunar stuff.
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Based God coming thru
megaconstellations
That already exists. 5000+ Starlinks from SpaceX in orbit right now
starlink isnt dod. op was asking for dod.
DoD has a small contract to utilize Starlink
starshield is
space force space stations
with multiple x-37b's that regularly dock with them
intercepting the space lanes
harvesting the souls of enemy satellites
>Year of our Lord 2023
>Spaceships are still exploding after launch
>aim for Hawaii
>hit the mid Atlantic
"not my department"
-le German rocketman
why can't autists understand the difference between cost and price?
thundercuck has the same problem
The 100 payload to leo is going to happen this decade, but the resusable part of it is way off still.
Nah, it took about a decade to get reusable boosters. A reusable rocket isn't that far off, especially given they've demonstrated that the booster can already be reused, and they've landed the actual Starship stage.
Big rockets are cool, but please give it at least one successful test before posting these retarded shill threads.
If China got this far in testing with something remotely similar this board would be nothing but your compatriots spamming all day long.
Every test that goes better than the previous one is successful. First starship launch destroyed the launch pad, failed to ignite some of the engines and RUD-ed itself a third of the way out of the atmosphere. The second launch nearly took it all the way to MECO
(me)
*without issues
I wonder if there are various expensive NRO satellites up there will failed components. might be a market to fly out to them with a crew of space force techs and swap out bits. of course, the sats were never designed for in orbit repair.... might as well just launch new ones
With 100+t/20+t (probably 300/60 expendable) to orbit/geosync, it never makes sense to repair over launching multiple cheaper sats with more mass tolerance (cheaper parts)
I think we will see a distributed network of sensor satellites that allow for the real time targeting of missiles and even potentially aircraft over the horizon anywhere in the world.
A complete cock block to the HGV concept of operations.
We will also see the deployment of in space systems designed specifically to deny enemy space capabilities.
That's called SDA. SpaceX is launching a lot of that for the USG too. It's inevitable that they'll take over a contract for the tracking layer in 2026 when L3Harris continues to fuck up.
They'll test the first Interplanetary Ballistic Missile.
It's taken 60 years, but the USAF's dream of a manned orbital bomber will finally be realized.
Press F to pay respects to all the Air Force pilots who never became astronauts because the X20 Dyna-soar, the Manned Orbital Laboratory, and Blue Gemini all got cancelled.
I wouldn't worry about it so long as you're a real person or one of the browns we like.
>100+ ton military space payloads
Finally, bringing multiple "Rods of God" to its orbital launcher will no longer be a pipedream
Rods of God is still a meme weapon even with high payloads.
And mostly it's just nukes with extra steps. Minimal if any advantage and you just get nuked back. Railguns, geo stat nuclear pumped lasers, stealth HGV missiles, multi-modal vehicles all give a much more unique edge that can't simply be nuked back.
E.g. nuclear pumped lasers would give no warning before vaporizing your launch sites.
>you just get nuked back
Do you though?
Space "bunkers". You cant be invaded or nuked if you're out of this world.
That payload capacity would be wasted on bomblets and other small nonsense. It will enable building of large structures at much lower cost which can have cascading effect - large habitats and facilities enabling even larger projects without earths involvment.
>That payload capacity would be wasted on bomblets and other small nonsense
If other countries think they can get away with using conventional payloads on converted ICBMs, which I have seen bandied about with China, starships full of bomblets sounds like a great way to say "you don't want to play that game with us"
What if I told you, you didn't have to choose between carrying cluster munitions or nuclear MIRVs?
even log scale won't be enough in the future to see the competition
actually crazy. Imagine if we never had the lag between 1970's and 2000's in US space development.
>we launch our own payloads so we win
lmao
Mass to orbit is mass to orbit, you gonna cry like a bitch because it's not your payload?
Seethe chink
musk launching a bunch of internet satellites because his reusable rocket demanded launches that dont exist is not the same as nations launching actually important space infrastructure and science probes
Post your yellow skin
Orbital defense platforms. Think CIWS but in space they could destroy just about any ICBM using 20mm due to no air resistance. I'm picturing a platform with 4 guns on each corner facing down towards Earth with a solar array above it for power. Reloading and maintenance could be performed by robotic space craft. Also maybe we are looking at a potential orbital spin space station hosting a company sized unit capable of deployment anywhere in the world in under an hour.
>20mm autocannons
You are like little baby.
what's the point of massive orbital weapons platforms etc if we have no enemies which they could be realistically used on? honest question. Russia has no money for fucking around in space. China has the 'oopsie whoopsie our population is collapsing' problem. Everyone else is allied with us even if they claim otherwise because lolglobaltrade.
Is it just for the couple nukes or so that might be lobbed our way in the future?
>what's the point of massive orbital weapons platforms etc if we have no enemies which they could be realistically used on?
FLEXING ON ALL THEM BITCHES
We have no enemies they could be realistically used on now. Also the sheer disparity has diplomatic benefits as well. But to the point, you don't want parity with your potential enemies - you want overmatch.
There is a company called gravitics working on making space station modules that fit inside starship. They already have some hardware built. Wonder what military use it could have
Much like 90% of space start ups. It'll most likely go nowhere and we'll just down to groups like Northrop and their subcontractors.
They have the benefit that the project they are betting on working to actually make the company worth something might actually succeed. Most of these companies basically work from the assumption that if they build something then a company will build a rocket to put it in orbit.
Gravitics should change its name to General Gravitics and then do a merger with General Electric and General Atomics to form General Grand Unified Theory.
we already talked about this
any General merger is gonna be called General Resource ltd.
If it's not going to be General Grand Unified Theory then I vote for either Combine Honnete Ober Advancer Mercantiles or Omni Consumer Products.
Orbital spin station hosting a company sized unit that could deploy anywhere in the world in under an hour via drop ship.
I hope we get low-orbit manufacturing facilities up there in our lifetimes. I would love to be part of manufacturing in the outer-atmosphere.
>t. controls engineer in automotive industry
I'd also be a grifter with social media trying to both prove and dispro flat-earth theories on different channels collecting funds from both sides to prove what-ever they're trying to prove for monetary gain
I hope I can retire to a house on the moon
>Cool space thing happens
>Redditors aren't allowed to enjoy THE SCIENCE because rich man bad
>Discourse degenerates into talk of fellatio, whataboutism, cope, and projection
>Meanwhile the rest of the world gets to enjoy big cool rocket even if they disagree with Musk's personal brand of autism
I'm honestly okay with this. Redditors do not deserve to enjoy things until they become at least partially self-aware. All that harping on about hecking loving THE SCIENCE for the past few years and suddenly they have to bitch about Starship because Musk owns the company that built it.
it will never stop being funny how reddit space man became king chud in the spand of a few years
Yo momma
>SpaceX knows every relevant rule of physic to push a payload into orbit
>It knows the atmosphere composition probably down to how many birds farted that morning over the launch pad
>It knows how each part of Starship has to be built
>Still tries to built real-life rockets that "successfully fail" every six months instead of investing in supercomputers and just making a ship building simulator that makes Kerbal Space Program looks like two pieces of legos glued together so they can iterate every fifteen minutes if they wish
Cool story bro. If video games can make things real, every company would scrap everything and invest in video games
>t. ULA
How's that working out for you?
>hasn’t discovered that high energy materials science cannot, in fact, be simulated for a gigantic rocket with millions of parts
Good luck and keep us posted
welp that solves the olm question. Next big show regarding the launch site will be if they attempt to catch the incoming superheavy booster with the chopsticks. Doomers BTFO again
Imagine it missing its mark
It's so aesthetic for a fucking tube.
Render, its real close tho
ok guys so hear me out, what if we make a new type of satellite that it's basically a massive projector somehow it projects images on to the atmosphere or perhaps on areas where the air is more dense and we use them as massive billboards, imagine the advertising revenue and it's all over the world and can even have video options.
dude, it blew up again.
Falcon 9 has put more mass to orbit than anything else and that also blew up at first
This is going to absolutely mog every other country by multiple orders of magnitude
most rocket types experience a period of exploding every time they try to do anything before settling into operational status, and the progress on that front was good
don't capitalize "von", it's a title thing
I definitely wouldn't categorize it as, and I quote, "right on the cusp of SECO, right as it shutdown its engine for the coast phase."
but somewhere between ten and twenty seconds out with 300 m/s left in the burn is pretty damn close
probably need more baffles or something idk
>probably need more baffles or something idk
I guarantee the engineers had a betting pool on what component would fail or need redesign
I also guarantee they're crushing Bangs right now working out the next iteration
nah the engineers probably get the week off while the data guys look over stuff
The first time the Falcon Heavy boosters were tested one of them smashed the launch pad and exploded.
This one has now been to orbit and back 18 times and is being refurbished to go out for more. SpaceX's design philosophy allows them to crash and burn with much less risk and money involved than national space agencies, who design and build each rocket exactly once and are up shit creek if there's an issue with it. They're doing R&D that took NASA decades, in a span of a few years, because they're able to fuck up and learn from it instead of having to make a perfect product the first time.
Tell me this shit wouldn't make von Braun rock hard if he witnessed this.
>Tell me this shit wouldn't make von Braun rock hard if he witnessed this.
That's exactly how Von Braun started his rocket frenzy.
just a reminder, each of those engine bells can fit a modestly sized human being.
imagine the smell.
world's largest shock diamond, imagine if this fucker hovered sideways over your house.