We're shopping for new fighter jets

We've narrowed it down to these two, which should we get?

For reference, we already operate older variants of both.

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I can't read that language, but all of the F-16s numbers are bigger, so that must count for something

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Including the price tag.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    F-16
    you'll actually receive your planes

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sweden's been delivering just fine so far.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nobody wants Swedish fighter jets.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Ukraine most definitely wants Swedish fighter jets.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Buy chinese, it's better for your country

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Buy Grippen because if we go mono-fighter world where there's no other viable fighter plabe deaigns in 50 years, the Ace Combat of our children will have nothing to put in it.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Text is Hindi / Thai
    You're overspending money you don't have on shit you don't need while your people are in total poverty.
    Get anti air gun and frick your planes unless it's for tourism.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >money you don't have
      Literally the second largest economy in the region.

      >shit you don't need
      Myanmar is right next door and in a full civil war.

      >in total poverty
      They have a longer life expectancy than Americans.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >a country embroiled in civil war
        >capable of invading us

        dude, even before the civil war myanmar wasn't capable of invading anyone. unless you're planning to invade them. even then you wouldn't need state of the art jets to do it.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The jets aren't to invade Burma, it's to make sure Burmese stay on their side of the border when they're bombing their own citizens and ethnic groups that are in open rebellion.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Literally the second largest economy in the region
        >Look at me! I'm the richest man in the ghetto

        https://i.imgur.com/FzEb7v7.jpeg

        They have one of the oldest air traditions in the world, only younger than France's by a few years. You really have no clue what you're talking about.

        >oldest air traditions in the world
        That doesn't equate to shit

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You're brown.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            And you're resorting to identity politics because you're a weak man whose only fix of dopamine is getting into losing arguments
            Have some self respect

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They have one of the oldest air traditions in the world, only younger than France's by a few years. You really have no clue what you're talking about.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >They have one of the oldest air traditions in the world

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >They have one of the oldest air traditions in the world,
        hahahahahhahaha

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        [...]

        >oldest air traditions in the world
        >begins at 1911
        >has to send people to other places to learn "air traditions"
        >has to buy airplanes

        >oldest air traditions in the world
        im a third worldie, but even I am not this delusional about my own country to claim such moronic stuff as this

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >>has to send people to other places to learn "air traditions"
          Oh no, they had to learn about it, glad no one else had to do it.

          >im a third wordie
          I can tell.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Thailand spends more on its people than US government does on Americans. Unemployment is under 2% and they also have universal healthcare.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Grippen if your future government aren't gonna play nice with america

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Hornet -> Super Hornet
    >Viper -> Super Viper
    >Eagle -> F1 SEX
    what the frick is MIC doing

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Milking cash cows

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In a real war, America is the only that can be counted on.

    But since you're a Thai, your shithole is never going to be in a war.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Since you are going for a Gripen or Block 70 F-16, I am assuming you are going for a pure interceptor fighter?
    But why?

    Wouldn't you need an omnirole fighter that can intercept and do anti-ship action, like the F-15 or the Rafale?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Wouldn't you need an omnirole fighter that can intercept and do anti-ship action, like the F-15 or the Rafale?
      It's right there in the picture

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >payload capacity is about half of both mentioned planes

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Just go twice

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You know exposing your planes two times to AD is not a good idea.
            Also, having 5 ton payload means it can't go as far while carrying heavy ordnance.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gripen
    >No need to suck US dick when SHTF
    >Bit worse than a modernized F16 but you aren't going to be having problems with air superiority any time soon
    >Cheaper to buy, cheaper to operate(more flight hours, more sorties, less personnel required...)
    >Gripen is more fit for less than ideal operations(i.e: the F16 can land and take off from highways but the Gripen was designed with that and more from the ground up)

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >F414
    >designed for a plane that would have two of them
    >let's put one in our euro knockoff it's not like we need to be serious or anything
    It's a fun little jet but let's not pretend it's anything other than a go-cart among F1 cars.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gripen, duh.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There are 4 air forces that use the Jas 39, they have made ~300 total.
    There are 26 air forces that use the F-16, and there have been about 4600 of them built.
    If you can afford it, the F-16 is a lot better.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >introduction F-16 17 August 1978
      >introduction Gripen 9 June 1996

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >aircraft don't receive regular updates
        >newer is always better

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          you seem to have misunderstood, numbers built and the amount of (former) operators isn't saying much when there is nearly 2 decades between them.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Ah, okay. Yes, I did misunderstand.
            But I still find your logic flawed, as we can look at sales for just the last decade.
            The F-16 still sells strong, the Gripen struggles to find buyers.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Arms sales aren't just about the arms, it's also about political and diplomatic considerations.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >it's also about political and diplomatic considerations.
                Yeah, but it's also about arms, though.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They made an anime character out of Gripen so there is that

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There are 8 land forces that use the M1 Abrams, they have made ~6000 total.
    There are 26 land forces that use the T-55, and there have been about 100 000 of them built.
    If you can afford it, the T-55 is a lot better.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Whichever is cheaper to own.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Two engines are better than just one.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Do you need/want RBS-15 and Meteor?
    If not, F-16.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    F-16
    >No need to rely on limp dick Swedes, half the world away, that will promptly forget about you when SHTF.
    >Able to work many different scenarios to fit your AA/AG needs
    >Cheaper to buy as a package. Don't need to negotiate separate license agreements for any crucial part, like engines, or radars, with third parties. Nor do you need to figure out which 3rd party you will buy weapons from.
    >Much better support options. Whether that's maintenance, training or upgrading. You and 20 other nations can share experience.
    > Super reliable 12 000 hour engines
    >US airmen get 200-250 flight hours a year with these things.
    > Get invited to train with the US
    >You don't need high schoolers to service the plane. There are plenty of people and it's easy to train them.
    >You don't need the take off from highways meme.
    >Even then it's doable, but why would you ???

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This, the amount of spare parts, aftermarket upgrade packages, etc. for the F-16 trumps the Gripen. In theory the Gripen is great, in practice, the market was already saturated with F-16s so all of that "in theory" stuff falls apart. Hell, even Venezuela manages to keep its F-16s flying. It'll remain the poorgay's choice for a capable multirole fighter on a budget.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Headcannon.

      This, the amount of spare parts, aftermarket upgrade packages, etc. for the F-16 trumps the Gripen. In theory the Gripen is great, in practice, the market was already saturated with F-16s so all of that "in theory" stuff falls apart. Hell, even Venezuela manages to keep its F-16s flying. It'll remain the poorgay's choice for a capable multirole fighter on a budget.

      F-16 is a pretty shitty multirole, probably the reason why nobody calls it that.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Seethe. Post Gripen sales.

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    f-16 is cheaper

    but I like the grppen more and it will also get the job done.

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gripen

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gripen. You don't have to rely on americucks for your weapons. You've already seen how half the time Ukraine's needed help, americans have denied it because the republicans are scared of russia, while sweden's support has been unwavering. Conversely, the scenario where sweden would block exports to you (now that they're no longer neutral) would be something like loudly stating on TV how you're going to ethnically cleanse some eastern part of myanmar.

    Meteors and RBS-15s have already been mentioned, but Joint Strike Missiles and AMRAAMs from Norway/Finland are also on the table. Plus Taurus KEPD.350, and all the stuff the Brazilians have developed like that anti-radiation missile, and those Israeli Fox-2s. And you can develop your own PGMs and integrate them, too!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Thast's why the Swedes sent the Grip*n to the Ukrainians immediately when they wanted it and it's now fighting and showing it's prowess crushing the Russians, right.
      Because Swedes are reliable.

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