>Rafalefag is now making his own armatard style comparison images
Jesus dude, you gotta stop. Not only will you end up getting the French (more) hated on here but you risk becoming a risible figure for memes, just like armatard.
>Rafalefag is now making his own armatard style comparison images
Not him but this image is very old, more than 10 years, and was just paraphrasing what was found from the very official swiss report about the 2008-2009 acquisiton process leaked in 2011, aka the first competition for a replacement fighter jet in Switzerland.
Here is the original leaked swiss document if you don't believe me: >https://www.udrop.com/KEpD/rapport_suisse.pdf
And pic related is a compilation of the conclusions from the document.
No need to thank me for the spoonfeeding.
>Jesus dude, you gotta stop. Not only will you end up getting the French (more) hated on here but you risk becoming a risible figure for memes, just like armatard.
Yeah yeah yeah let's not get the facts out there and instead let literal cretins slander France all the time without reacting.
Why do you honestly believe you can lie through your teeth constantly and get away with it anon?
You can't.
I just really don't get, you know, I really just can't comprehend it. The F22 first flew in 1997! 25 year ago! Can you believe that! And it had competitors like yf23 that were just as GOOD! WTF are other countries doing??
I've seen this graph passed around for ages, but does anyone really have a source for it?
Would a government really just list them as "Gripen", "Rafale" and "Eurofighter" and not their specific variants?
>Would a government really just list them as "Gripen", "Rafale" and "Eurofighter" and not their specific variants?
No, they really wouldn't. But a trash news site peddling bullshit would.
Rafalefag will never provide the source though, which makes me suspect he made it himself.
I mean, the images themselves, when reverse searched, are primarily passed around on Twitter and simple defense forums. I can't find a single link back to an official government source.
Even worse, the images have fucking JPG compression so somebody at some point either picked these images up from a third party posting them on social media or they edited and exported them in a shitty lossy file format. Especially since the graphics are pixelated, where PNG would not take up a large file size.
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>I can't find a single link back to an official government source.
you won't because the report was supposed to be confidential.
>Would a government really just list them as "Gripen", "Rafale" and "Eurofighter" and not their specific variants?
No, they really wouldn't. But a trash news site peddling bullshit would.
Rafalefag will never provide the source though, which makes me suspect he made it himself.
I mean, the images themselves, when reverse searched, are primarily passed around on Twitter and simple defense forums. I can't find a single link back to an official government source.
Even worse, the images have fucking JPG compression so somebody at some point either picked these images up from a third party posting them on social media or they edited and exported them in a shitty lossy file format. Especially since the graphics are pixelated, where PNG would not take up a large file size.
>I can't find a single link back to an official government source.
you won't because the report was supposed to be confidential.
https://i.imgur.com/R8IpNJa.jpg
Daily reminder that Swiss Luftwaffe still selected Gripen in that competition for F-5 replacement, because Rafale and Eurofigher didn't fit into their procurement or operational budgets. Swiss were going to lease 11 C/D model Gripens as interim measure until 22 E/F models would be delivered starting in 2018. Swiss people voted for not replacing F-5's. For F-18 replacement Swiss selected F-35, there are currently activists collecting signatures to get a referendum to prevent replacement of Hornets. Those people are likely very same people that prevented F-5 replacement.
[...]
Gripen variant was Gripen NG demonstrator. Its serial production D model with F414G engine and few other modifications. Oh, lack of gun in two seat variants of Gripen was a factor in both air to air and air to ground mission capability. To make room for larger cockpit usually something has to be sacrificed, in most cases with western fighters it is usually mostly internal fuel capacity.
See
https://i.imgur.com/jStwARB.jpg
>Rafalefag is now making his own armatard style comparison images
Not him but this image is very old, more than 10 years, and was just paraphrasing what was found from the very official swiss report about the 2008-2009 acquisiton process leaked in 2011, aka the first competition for a replacement fighter jet in Switzerland.
Here is the original leaked swiss document if you don't believe me: >https://www.udrop.com/KEpD/rapport_suisse.pdf
And pic related is a compilation of the conclusions from the document.
No need to thank me for the spoonfeeding.
>Jesus dude, you gotta stop. Not only will you end up getting the French (more) hated on here but you risk becoming a risible figure for memes, just like armatard.
Yeah yeah yeah let's not get the facts out there and instead let literal cretins slander France all the time without reacting.
Why do you honestly believe you can lie through your teeth constantly and get away with it anon?
You can't.
Please search for infos a bit more seriously before spewing "Hurrrr it's fake" next time.
It's been more than 10 years already.
From Swiss public service:
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/controversial-choice-of-fighter-jet- >Maurer said that leaked confidential documents referred to outdated evaluation results >Maurer said the reports could be part of efforts to disrupt the acquisition of the Swedish jets by opponents, including disgruntled rival aircraft companies or political opponents.
Hopefully people stop reposting it like retards after this.
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404
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From Swiss public service:
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/controversial-choice-of-fighter-jet- >Maurer said that leaked confidential documents referred to outdated evaluation results >Maurer said the reports could be part of efforts to disrupt the acquisition of the Swedish jets by opponents, including disgruntled rival aircraft companies or political opponents.
Hopefully people stop reposting it like retards after this.
My mistake
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/controversial-choice-of-fighter-jet-defended/32122300
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said the reports could be part of efforts to disrupt the acquisition of the Swedish jets by opponents, including disgruntled rival aircraft companies or political opponents.
isnt this exactly what the us did in finland? it was in some leaked documents i believe.
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I dont know, but every available source from the public service tells me it's based on outdated tests and the MoD literally calls it out as trying to manipulate the competition
It's also one of the later articles on that subject matter on the site, so it's not contradicted by newer information
The same Maurer who specifically said he chose the aircraft without even reading said report? >https://www.rts.ch/info/suisse/3777800-ueli-maurer-navait-pas-lu-les-rapports-sur-le-gripen.html
Lmao your levels of cope are out of control.
It's literally a dogshit report with barely any data.
From your article. >Ueli Maurer relied on another report >When Federal Councilor Ueli Maurer recommended in November 2011 to the government the purchase of the Gripen, he based himself on an evaluation report from armasuisse, the competence center for army supplies, explained Silvia Steidle >This document came to the conclusion that the Swedish apparatus was sufficient. The results of the assessment process, however, fill several federal filing cabinets, in which "various elements are examined". "Federal Councilor Maurer did not know the various reports in detail," said Silvia Steidle.
My article isn't contradicted by this. The report can still be outdated even if he hasn't read or reviewed it in detail. As in it could be a draft of a document.
The reason it wasn't bought was up to Swiss direct democracy anyway.
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The same Maurer who specifically said he chose the aircraft without even reading said report? >https://www.rts.ch/info/suisse/3777800-ueli-maurer-navait-pas-lu-les-rapports-sur-le-gripen.html
Lmao your levels of cope are out of control.
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Anonymous
The report says things like the Rafale is better in “performance” than eurofighter. There are no description of criteria, what has been evaluated and how. It is not a report at all.
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Anonymous
>The report says things like the Rafale is better in “performance” than eurofighter. There are no description of criteria
lmao
at first: >nobody has ever shown any report!
then: >the report has no proofs!
now: >the proofs prove nothing!
You're literal vatniks lmao
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Anonymous
the f-104 starfighter performs better than the rafale. i'm not going to tell you what metric of "performance" i'm using, you can only accept the truth: the f-104 starfighter performs better than the rafale.
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So not only you didn't read the paper, you also can't imagine a report won't disclose specific performances while asserting the fact they've been taken into account to deliver a final assessment of contenders' capabilities?
ok
t. Rafalefag blindly asserting that something is better than some other thing because of reasons we're not allowed to see and numbers he doesn't have access to.
You are the vatnik here man.
>blindly asserting that something is better than some other thing because of reasons we're not allowed to see and numbers he doesn't have access to
I'm not doing anything, those who did are swiss DDPS guys who wrote the report, and not blindly.
Do you live in an alternate reality where numbers will get thoroughly disclosed to people who have no reason to know them?
Do you also believe US congressmen know precisely what are the real capabilities of the F-35?
You may say the Armasuisse report established the Gripen was to be chosen, but the fact is the MS20 and MS21 test aircrafts were not representative of what SAAB was offering to the swiss, and the best proof for this particular point is the Gripen got ousted by the same Armasuisse guys from the Air 2030 competition in 2019 due to the fact SAAB still could not deliver a test aircraft with the performances they were claiming it would reach, 10 years later, whatever these performances may have been, which by the way is none of my or your business despite you believing otherwise. Really makes me think.
Anyway the Rafale has reached 267 firm exports and will reach 311 before 2024 when the last indonesian batch for 18 and the Indian Navy contract for 26 are formally signed.
Typhoon still lags at 151 despite being supported by 4 EU countries.
Gripen may reach 74 if Brazil signs for 40 more, or up to 140 counting the old Gripen C sales and leased aircrafts, which were very different jets.
Meaning Rafale is not only nearly 100% french, but also has now, by itself, more exports than Typhoon and Gripen combined.
Topkek
It feels so good to be a Rafale fag.
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t. Rafalefag blindly asserting that something is better than some other thing because of reasons we're not allowed to see and numbers he doesn't have access to.
You are the vatnik here man.
Daily reminder that Swiss Luftwaffe still selected Gripen in that competition for F-5 replacement, because Rafale and Eurofigher didn't fit into their procurement or operational budgets. Swiss were going to lease 11 C/D model Gripens as interim measure until 22 E/F models would be delivered starting in 2018. Swiss people voted for not replacing F-5's. For F-18 replacement Swiss selected F-35, there are currently activists collecting signatures to get a referendum to prevent replacement of Hornets. Those people are likely very same people that prevented F-5 replacement.
I've seen this graph passed around for ages, but does anyone really have a source for it?
Would a government really just list them as "Gripen", "Rafale" and "Eurofighter" and not their specific variants?
Gripen variant was Gripen NG demonstrator. Its serial production D model with F414G engine and few other modifications. Oh, lack of gun in two seat variants of Gripen was a factor in both air to air and air to ground mission capability. To make room for larger cockpit usually something has to be sacrificed, in most cases with western fighters it is usually mostly internal fuel capacity.
>lack of gun in two seat variants of Gripen was a factor in both air to air and air to ground mission capability.
Lol so whoever did the evaluation is a retard. Most pilots are unable to hit an illuminated shipping container when they have an JTAC guidning them into the target.
Autocannons on fighterjets are useless.
not really except for 1 thing >> F16s cant fire Stormshadow/SCALP/Taurus type missiles
Gripen later blocks can
They also have a much smaller logistics footprint and can take off highway while sucking in twigs, hedgehogs and crisp packets lying about
The difference between the F-16 and the Gripen A, however, is that there are no Gripen As that can be sent to Ukraine. There are, however, quite a few Gripen Cs that could be provided in fairly short order and a production line for new E models. If Sweden were to provide Gripen to Ukraine, it would be the C variant - if not even a dozen or so E models.
one category where it would certainly have an edge is in improvised airfield use, this thing is designed from the ground up with that in mind where the F16 just accomodates for it. for anything else it really depends on what block it is to determine if it's better than the mid-life upgraded block 20 F16's they're getting.
I'll give a (You) and a piece of advice. If you've ever gone fishing, you may realize that you need a little play to make the lure act like prey of the fish you want to catch. Basically you can't just drop the lure in the water and hope for a fish, you need to realistically impersonate the prey (vatnik, thirdie, etc) of PrepHole. Happy fishing my low-quality b8 anon.
i'd say it's too obvious with the gay tf2 porn but honestly i literally ran into a group of very genuine vatniks in a lobby today that all had profile pictures like this and proclaimed proudly not to be gay while telling me they work on aircraft design and all have a wife and children.
that's about as genuine as vatmoron cope gets so it wouldn't surprise me if this guy was actually real.
The MiG-31 is still one of the most advanced fighters that the West has yet to create a counter for. Its R-37 missiles outrange anything the West has to offer and are so fast that the holhols wouldn't even have time to react before they're turned into a fine red mist.
>The MiG-31 is still one of the most advanced fighters that the West has yet to create a counter for. Its R-37 missiles outrange anything the West has to offer and are so fast that the holhols wouldn't even have time to react before they're turned into a fine red mist.
MIG-31 is essentially Russias "B2" if you will, but different
its a "strategic" jet
>Name a single aircraft that's shot down a MiG-31. I'll wait.
MiG-31 >Russian state media did not offer any details, independent investigators discovered from a leaked government document that the aircraft was shot down by an R-33 missile fired from another MiG-31 and that pilot error from both airplanes was at fault. The report also suggested problems with the Zaslon-AM radar and Baget-55 fire control system that might increase the risk of more accidental shootdowns.[114]
Now back to you, name one air to air combat MiG-31 has been a part of that has not been a training exercise?
>Russian state media did not offer any details, independent investigators discovered from a leaked government document that the aircraft was shot down by an R-33 missile fired from another MiG-31 and that pilot error from both airplanes was at fault. The report also suggested problems with the Zaslon-AM radar and Baget-55 fire control system that might increase the risk of more accidental shootdowns.[114] >Now back to you, name one air to air combat MiG-31 has been a part of that has not been a training exercise?
gunna press *doubt* on that one
from what I hear, the Radars were completely removed from mig-31's and their missiles are guided by the target-cue from AWACS/Ground/sat/etc.
>Its R-37 missiles outrange anything the West has to offer
That's technically true, though Meteor's on the Gripen come a lot closer than most other western air to air missiles. It's also massively more maneuverable than the R-37 (it was designed for use against fighters, not bombers), which might make it tricky for not very maneuverable Foxhounds to evade.
>vatmoron thinks he's ALLOWED to argue
lol, know, you're mocked for using arguments that have been used a thousand times before. >i-i'm not gay
which is why you use gay tf2 muscleporn to avatarfag with of course, quintessentially russian behaviour. >thinks any of the mercs would support russia
russia don't pay well and i doubt tf2 mercs would back the losing side, heavy especially would be against it as he has seen the horrors of communism first hand, he wants nothing to do with that shithole anymore and just wants to make fat stacks of money for his family, something he'd never be able to do if he was pro-russian. >it has all the characteristics of a 5th gen
are exposed wood screws, a lack of stealth coating, no S-ducts and a non-functional internal bay 5th gen characteristics? that's not even mentioning the bubbles in the bubbles in the cockpit lmao.
Lol, I can just hide your posts immediately and not even read them. I can even reply to the closed posts without even bothering to see what they contain lol. Kind of like a slap in the face to your trolling efforts, isn't it?
you did, which is why you keep replying.
i'm becoming increasinly suHispanicious that you actually ARE the gay gay i ran into in TF2 a little while ago, did you learn nothing from my little history lesson you mongrel?
i left pretty much instantly though, friend requested him later to laugh at him a little and then unfriended him.
maybe you were one of his homosexual buttbuddies?
i never even respawned to pick a class though, it was VSH server, keep fantasizing about it though, like you fantasize about weird gay shit, you insecure little worm.
you should hold your tongue about trannies when you're acting like such a humongous gay.
>vatniks and or 4chantards going on mass reply rants and spamming gay tf2 porn
Okay what happened now? Usually this means YET ANOTHER Russian fuck up. What could be worse than pringle man dying?
Robotyne is bad for them
Prigozhin being murdered by Putin
The chopper defecting
Some great kino coming out of Ukies assaulting trenches
Kino of a russian kid who was gloating over a temporarily embarrassed Bradley crying and begging Ukrainians not to kill him
Another strike on the tu-22s
Commando raid on Crimea
Honestly, there's so many it could be any or something we haven't even heard about yet/
>still posting gay porn
i bet you think the gay rape in the russian army is manly too don't you?
nobody gives a shit about your MGE circlejerk where you use aimbot as soon as you start losing. you suck at the game just as much as you suck IRL.
jesus this is an advanced kind of mental illness.
what kind of meds-dodging retards have to come together to form a weird-ass subcommunity in tf2 like this?
what the fuck are you even saying zigger? i feel like i'm witnessing some sort of strange impromptu zoo exhibit.
how did your parents let you get like this? i'm pretty sure even the biggest vatnik mother wouldn't be a fan of her son being such a blatantly gay loser.
Anon... you ARE aware that you are posting nothing but bara art that only gays would find attractive, right? I mean, I know Russians have that whole "sergeant-equivalent pimping out their own soldiers as prostitutes" thing going, but I'd assume the internet-going kind has at least an ounce of awareness.
It's just our oligarch family making more dosh from the war, Swedes should never forget that Jacob Wallenberg (the head of the family who owns our all of our weapons factories) was with our prime minister when she traveled to Finland to discuss a nato entry. Planes is like the most useless thing to send since no one has air superiority and everyone have AA
This is pointless, Sweden has said multiple times they do not have spare Gripens and IIRC, arent there issues with production? I remember reading about how they kept losing contracts because it would take too long for them to deliver the Gripens to fulfill the contract.
considering I'm post on a God damned image site I'm just great full it is a gorgeous machine. *scrolls down and their is shit all for pics* wtf PrepHole
Read between the lines, dickweed. Now all of the NATO countries who support Ukraine are gonna be like "Turkey would you just STFU and let them in already".
>Read between the lines, dickweed. Now all of the NATO countries who support Ukraine are gonna be like "Turkey would you just STFU and let them in already".
what does that have anything to do with the very real possibility highly-advanced gripen planes will be meaninglessly sent to be shotdown for no reason?
Turkey, Sweden, and the USA already came to an agreement, NATO will recognise terrorism as a threat and support Turkey in rooting out kurdroach commie terrorists.
Obongo's beloved vermin will soon be nothing more than an unpleasant memory.
once again it would appear that the gripen has been the source of a meltdown of considerable proportions. Just imagine what it will achieve once it's actually deployed in Ukraine
It's not, really.
Depends on the model/block, doesn't it?
no the gripen just sucks
>Rafalefag is now making his own armatard style comparison images
Jesus dude, you gotta stop. Not only will you end up getting the French (more) hated on here but you risk becoming a risible figure for memes, just like armatard.
Anon... that's from the Swiss government
Yeah sure this ugly table written in English is from the Swiss government. Ok buddy
Look up what fucking language the Swiss government uses
Because there are like four languages commonly used there and it makes more sense to try and teach everyone English instead of the other three
>Rafalefag is now making his own armatard style comparison images
Not him but this image is very old, more than 10 years, and was just paraphrasing what was found from the very official swiss report about the 2008-2009 acquisiton process leaked in 2011, aka the first competition for a replacement fighter jet in Switzerland.
Here is the original leaked swiss document if you don't believe me:
>https://www.udrop.com/KEpD/rapport_suisse.pdf
And pic related is a compilation of the conclusions from the document.
No need to thank me for the spoonfeeding.
>Jesus dude, you gotta stop. Not only will you end up getting the French (more) hated on here but you risk becoming a risible figure for memes, just like armatard.
Yeah yeah yeah let's not get the facts out there and instead let literal cretins slander France all the time without reacting.
Why do you honestly believe you can lie through your teeth constantly and get away with it anon?
You can't.
>>you can't
>>he just can't
The Rafale is a great plane, that's why the french won't give it to ukrainians, it's too expensive and useful to waste it.
your mum is a great whore, that's why she's french.
you can't even form a coherent insult and you're calling me a bastard child? lol what's next a white flag
I just really don't get, you know, I really just can't comprehend it. The F22 first flew in 1997! 25 year ago! Can you believe that! And it had competitors like yf23 that were just as GOOD! WTF are other countries doing??
>WTF are other countries doing??
They helped to fund F-35 program.
I've seen this graph passed around for ages, but does anyone really have a source for it?
Would a government really just list them as "Gripen", "Rafale" and "Eurofighter" and not their specific variants?
>Would a government really just list them as "Gripen", "Rafale" and "Eurofighter" and not their specific variants?
No, they really wouldn't. But a trash news site peddling bullshit would.
Rafalefag will never provide the source though, which makes me suspect he made it himself.
I mean, the images themselves, when reverse searched, are primarily passed around on Twitter and simple defense forums. I can't find a single link back to an official government source.
Even worse, the images have fucking JPG compression so somebody at some point either picked these images up from a third party posting them on social media or they edited and exported them in a shitty lossy file format. Especially since the graphics are pixelated, where PNG would not take up a large file size.
>I can't find a single link back to an official government source.
you won't because the report was supposed to be confidential.
Didn't see all these posts
See
Please search for infos a bit more seriously before spewing "Hurrrr it's fake" next time.
It's been more than 10 years already.
Why is a Swiss government report in english?
From Swiss public service:
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/controversial-choice-of-fighter-jet-
>Maurer said that leaked confidential documents referred to outdated evaluation results
>Maurer said the reports could be part of efforts to disrupt the acquisition of the Swedish jets by opponents, including disgruntled rival aircraft companies or political opponents.
Hopefully people stop reposting it like retards after this.
404
My mistake
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/controversial-choice-of-fighter-jet-defended/32122300
said the reports could be part of efforts to disrupt the acquisition of the Swedish jets by opponents, including disgruntled rival aircraft companies or political opponents.
isnt this exactly what the us did in finland? it was in some leaked documents i believe.
I dont know, but every available source from the public service tells me it's based on outdated tests and the MoD literally calls it out as trying to manipulate the competition
It's also one of the later articles on that subject matter on the site, so it's not contradicted by newer information
It's literally a dogshit report with barely any data.
From your article.
>Ueli Maurer relied on another report
>When Federal Councilor Ueli Maurer recommended in November 2011 to the government the purchase of the Gripen, he based himself on an evaluation report from armasuisse, the competence center for army supplies, explained Silvia Steidle
>This document came to the conclusion that the Swedish apparatus was sufficient. The results of the assessment process, however, fill several federal filing cabinets, in which "various elements are examined". "Federal Councilor Maurer did not know the various reports in detail," said Silvia Steidle.
My article isn't contradicted by this. The report can still be outdated even if he hasn't read or reviewed it in detail. As in it could be a draft of a document.
The reason it wasn't bought was up to Swiss direct democracy anyway.
The same Maurer who specifically said he chose the aircraft without even reading said report?
>https://www.rts.ch/info/suisse/3777800-ueli-maurer-navait-pas-lu-les-rapports-sur-le-gripen.html
Lmao your levels of cope are out of control.
The report says things like the Rafale is better in “performance” than eurofighter. There are no description of criteria, what has been evaluated and how. It is not a report at all.
>The report says things like the Rafale is better in “performance” than eurofighter. There are no description of criteria
lmao
at first:
>nobody has ever shown any report!
then:
>the report has no proofs!
now:
>the proofs prove nothing!
You're literal vatniks lmao
the f-104 starfighter performs better than the rafale. i'm not going to tell you what metric of "performance" i'm using, you can only accept the truth: the f-104 starfighter performs better than the rafale.
So not only you didn't read the paper, you also can't imagine a report won't disclose specific performances while asserting the fact they've been taken into account to deliver a final assessment of contenders' capabilities?
ok
>blindly asserting that something is better than some other thing because of reasons we're not allowed to see and numbers he doesn't have access to
I'm not doing anything, those who did are swiss DDPS guys who wrote the report, and not blindly.
Do you live in an alternate reality where numbers will get thoroughly disclosed to people who have no reason to know them?
Do you also believe US congressmen know precisely what are the real capabilities of the F-35?
You may say the Armasuisse report established the Gripen was to be chosen, but the fact is the MS20 and MS21 test aircrafts were not representative of what SAAB was offering to the swiss, and the best proof for this particular point is the Gripen got ousted by the same Armasuisse guys from the Air 2030 competition in 2019 due to the fact SAAB still could not deliver a test aircraft with the performances they were claiming it would reach, 10 years later, whatever these performances may have been, which by the way is none of my or your business despite you believing otherwise. Really makes me think.
Anyway the Rafale has reached 267 firm exports and will reach 311 before 2024 when the last indonesian batch for 18 and the Indian Navy contract for 26 are formally signed.
Typhoon still lags at 151 despite being supported by 4 EU countries.
Gripen may reach 74 if Brazil signs for 40 more, or up to 140 counting the old Gripen C sales and leased aircrafts, which were very different jets.
Meaning Rafale is not only nearly 100% french, but also has now, by itself, more exports than Typhoon and Gripen combined.
Topkek
It feels so good to be a Rafale fag.
t. Rafalefag blindly asserting that something is better than some other thing because of reasons we're not allowed to see and numbers he doesn't have access to.
You are the vatnik here man.
>Rafale
How are you supposed to say it? Raf-ayl? Raf-alee?
Ra-fail
I say Ra-fahl to sound classy.
This, but it's fun to say raphael or rafalay when talking to a french person. Best to just switch them up at random too.
Daily reminder that Swiss Luftwaffe still selected Gripen in that competition for F-5 replacement, because Rafale and Eurofigher didn't fit into their procurement or operational budgets. Swiss were going to lease 11 C/D model Gripens as interim measure until 22 E/F models would be delivered starting in 2018. Swiss people voted for not replacing F-5's. For F-18 replacement Swiss selected F-35, there are currently activists collecting signatures to get a referendum to prevent replacement of Hornets. Those people are likely very same people that prevented F-5 replacement.
Gripen variant was Gripen NG demonstrator. Its serial production D model with F414G engine and few other modifications. Oh, lack of gun in two seat variants of Gripen was a factor in both air to air and air to ground mission capability. To make room for larger cockpit usually something has to be sacrificed, in most cases with western fighters it is usually mostly internal fuel capacity.
>lack of gun in two seat variants of Gripen was a factor in both air to air and air to ground mission capability.
Lol so whoever did the evaluation is a retard. Most pilots are unable to hit an illuminated shipping container when they have an JTAC guidning them into the target.
Autocannons on fighterjets are useless.
>Unironically shows papers specs.
The only thing which can determine the winner is if we sample enough combat data of them fighting each other.
French weapons are the best
F-16AM Block 20. So yes, Gripen would be a step up.
Block 20 MLU. Those three letters make it equivalent to a Block 50/52 US spec.
not really except for 1 thing
>> F16s cant fire Stormshadow/SCALP/Taurus type missiles
Gripen later blocks can
They also have a much smaller logistics footprint and can take off highway while sucking in twigs, hedgehogs and crisp packets lying about
Why do Mericans get so butthurt so easily.
>butthurt
It's true though. A JAS-39A is not an appreciable upgrade to a Block 20 MLU.
The difference between the F-16 and the Gripen A, however, is that there are no Gripen As that can be sent to Ukraine. There are, however, quite a few Gripen Cs that could be provided in fairly short order and a production line for new E models. If Sweden were to provide Gripen to Ukraine, it would be the C variant - if not even a dozen or so E models.
>Can take off from a driveway
>Has Meteor missiles
>Probably better radar or some shit
Yeah, I'm thinking it's it's better than those 90s era f-16s Ukraine is getting from Norway.
>F-16: longer runways, and they have to be CLEAN
>Grippen: no fucks given
Grip's the ideal fighter for this war, it's just that there aren't enough (spare) airframes out there.
>it's just that there aren't enough (spare) airframes out there.
If only Sweden would've approved production license when Ukraine was seeking it.
meteors are good for you
I’m tired playing games, just send it or don’t.
>once Sweden gets NATO membership
>Once Finland gets memb-ACK
NATO lake= TZD
seeth harder vatnik pidor bro
Sweden is in, all NATO member states have approved her accession
Its now just a matter of bureaucracy
one category where it would certainly have an edge is in improvised airfield use, this thing is designed from the ground up with that in mind where the F16 just accomodates for it. for anything else it really depends on what block it is to determine if it's better than the mid-life upgraded block 20 F16's they're getting.
f-4fs for ukraine
f22 is a massive unrelenting piece of shit
I'll give a (You) and a piece of advice. If you've ever gone fishing, you may realize that you need a little play to make the lure act like prey of the fish you want to catch. Basically you can't just drop the lure in the water and hope for a fish, you need to realistically impersonate the prey (vatnik, thirdie, etc) of PrepHole. Happy fishing my low-quality b8 anon.
'Plying Su-57 won't 'hit on the NAS 'oal 'ripens
Wow, 4chan is already seething about this and it's not even happened yet.
i'd say it's too obvious with the gay tf2 porn but honestly i literally ran into a group of very genuine vatniks in a lobby today that all had profile pictures like this and proclaimed proudly not to be gay while telling me they work on aircraft design and all have a wife and children.
that's about as genuine as vatmoron cope gets so it wouldn't surprise me if this guy was actually real.
https://youtube.com/shorts/v3aXkAp-4qc?si=v8rCKDmTj3fIk9PA
>Portraying John Doe as pro-russian, anti-American.
the most offensive thing russians have ever done.
Evil can only corrupt, never create.
>the Su-57 is the 5th gen-
already wrong, it's not a 5th gen lol.
The MiG-31 is still one of the most advanced fighters that the West has yet to create a counter for. Its R-37 missiles outrange anything the West has to offer and are so fast that the holhols wouldn't even have time to react before they're turned into a fine red mist.
>The MiG-31 is still one of the most advanced fighters that the West has yet to create a counter for. Its R-37 missiles outrange anything the West has to offer and are so fast that the holhols wouldn't even have time to react before they're turned into a fine red mist.
MIG-31 is essentially Russias "B2" if you will, but different
its a "strategic" jet
Heavy interceptors are a thing of the later Cold War; the MiG-31 is a relic. I’m not telling you anything you don’t already know though
Name a single aircraft that's shot down a MiG-31. I'll wait.
>Name a single aircraft that's shot down a MiG-31. I'll wait.
MiG-31
>Russian state media did not offer any details, independent investigators discovered from a leaked government document that the aircraft was shot down by an R-33 missile fired from another MiG-31 and that pilot error from both airplanes was at fault. The report also suggested problems with the Zaslon-AM radar and Baget-55 fire control system that might increase the risk of more accidental shootdowns.[114]
Now back to you, name one air to air combat MiG-31 has been a part of that has not been a training exercise?
>Russian state media did not offer any details, independent investigators discovered from a leaked government document that the aircraft was shot down by an R-33 missile fired from another MiG-31 and that pilot error from both airplanes was at fault. The report also suggested problems with the Zaslon-AM radar and Baget-55 fire control system that might increase the risk of more accidental shootdowns.[114]
>Now back to you, name one air to air combat MiG-31 has been a part of that has not been a training exercise?
gunna press *doubt* on that one
from what I hear, the Radars were completely removed from mig-31's and their missiles are guided by the target-cue from AWACS/Ground/sat/etc.
>gunna press *doubt* on that one
Alright, you are right of course
I also only trust the sources named Vũ thế Hưng
You sound a little racist.
>You sound a little racist.
welcome to:
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It hasn’t been involved in a single conflict.
>DGAD
It’s listed as an air superiority fighter project under development, not an interceptor.
So your argument is that it's like the f15 but with far, far fewer kills?
>Heavy interceptors
are the entire NGAD project. full stop
>Its R-37 missiles outrange anything the West has to offer
That's technically true, though Meteor's on the Gripen come a lot closer than most other western air to air missiles. It's also massively more maneuverable than the R-37 (it was designed for use against fighters, not bombers), which might make it tricky for not very maneuverable Foxhounds to evade.
Sars, I am begging you.
Please do the needful and do NOT spam tf2 gay porn, whatever your autism induced-state of mind.
Reminder that Hide is your friend when armatard is having one of his spergouts.
>Well, that's a significant step up in capabilities from F-16s.
seems like the runways and runway cope is a bigger topic than it originally appeared
>vatmoron thinks he's ALLOWED to argue
lol, know, you're mocked for using arguments that have been used a thousand times before.
>i-i'm not gay
which is why you use gay tf2 muscleporn to avatarfag with of course, quintessentially russian behaviour.
>thinks any of the mercs would support russia
russia don't pay well and i doubt tf2 mercs would back the losing side, heavy especially would be against it as he has seen the horrors of communism first hand, he wants nothing to do with that shithole anymore and just wants to make fat stacks of money for his family, something he'd never be able to do if he was pro-russian.
>it has all the characteristics of a 5th gen
are exposed wood screws, a lack of stealth coating, no S-ducts and a non-functional internal bay 5th gen characteristics? that's not even mentioning the bubbles in the bubbles in the cockpit lmao.
>opposition party saying something
nah
Lol, I can just hide your posts immediately and not even read them. I can even reply to the closed posts without even bothering to see what they contain lol. Kind of like a slap in the face to your trolling efforts, isn't it?
you did, which is why you keep replying.
i'm becoming increasinly suHispanicious that you actually ARE the gay gay i ran into in TF2 a little while ago, did you learn nothing from my little history lesson you mongrel?
i left pretty much instantly though, friend requested him later to laugh at him a little and then unfriended him.
maybe you were one of his homosexual buttbuddies?
i never even respawned to pick a class though, it was VSH server, keep fantasizing about it though, like you fantasize about weird gay shit, you insecure little worm.
you should hold your tongue about trannies when you're acting like such a humongous gay.
>vatniks and or 4chantards going on mass reply rants and spamming gay tf2 porn
Okay what happened now? Usually this means YET ANOTHER Russian fuck up. What could be worse than pringle man dying?
Robotyne is bad for them
Prigozhin being murdered by Putin
The chopper defecting
Some great kino coming out of Ukies assaulting trenches
Kino of a russian kid who was gloating over a temporarily embarrassed Bradley crying and begging Ukrainians not to kill him
Another strike on the tu-22s
Commando raid on Crimea
Honestly, there's so many it could be any or something we haven't even heard about yet/
>Kino of a russian kid who was gloating over a temporarily embarrassed Bradley crying and begging Ukrainians not to kill him
Where?
https://twitter.com/andrewofpolesia/status/1694764750318489996
Very gay post.
Didn't read as I am not of the aids-riddled morongay persuasion.
But why Sniper and not Heavy?
doesn't really matter, homosexuals like these will put these fucked up proportions on any character because it arouses them.
>still posting gay porn
i bet you think the gay rape in the russian army is manly too don't you?
nobody gives a shit about your MGE circlejerk where you use aimbot as soon as you start losing. you suck at the game just as much as you suck IRL.
Honestly this:
Shame on you for slandering Soldier's patriotism in this manner.
>Trannies will be hung
Something you would like?
MGE Brother
jesus this is an advanced kind of mental illness.
what kind of meds-dodging retards have to come together to form a weird-ass subcommunity in tf2 like this?
>Rus'
>Otryady Putina aka Angry Grandma Brigade
>blatantly homoerotic
what the fuck are you even saying zigger? i feel like i'm witnessing some sort of strange impromptu zoo exhibit.
how did your parents let you get like this? i'm pretty sure even the biggest vatnik mother wouldn't be a fan of her son being such a blatantly gay loser.
Anon... you ARE aware that you are posting nothing but bara art that only gays would find attractive, right? I mean, I know Russians have that whole "sergeant-equivalent pimping out their own soldiers as prostitutes" thing going, but I'd assume the internet-going kind has at least an ounce of awareness.
>Trannies will be hung
If you weren't ESL, you'd know how hilarious this came off as.
Just the double-edged sword that Erdoğan in wielding against EU for EU membership
>MiG-31
>unkillable
>since it's nowhere near the battlefield and still getting killed.
if f-35 is so advanced why not send to Ukraine? americans so scared of being shot down
>once sweden gets nato membership
So it's never going to happen?
It's just our oligarch family making more dosh from the war, Swedes should never forget that Jacob Wallenberg (the head of the family who owns our all of our weapons factories) was with our prime minister when she traveled to Finland to discuss a nato entry. Planes is like the most useless thing to send since no one has air superiority and everyone have AA
>F-16 empty TWR: 1.51
>JAS 39C empty TWR: 1.19
>F-4E phantom empty TWR: 1.16
Uh Gripen bros... why does our 4.5 gen jet have a 3rd gen thrust to weight ratio???
This is pointless, Sweden has said multiple times they do not have spare Gripens and IIRC, arent there issues with production? I remember reading about how they kept losing contracts because it would take too long for them to deliver the Gripens to fulfill the contract.
considering I'm post on a God damned image site I'm just great full it is a gorgeous machine. *scrolls down and their is shit all for pics* wtf PrepHole
Tourists (/pol/, war, election, sandy hook, etc.) don't understand what an image board is. This place is shit.
why does sweden need to be in nato to throw away jets?
Read between the lines, dickweed. Now all of the NATO countries who support Ukraine are gonna be like "Turkey would you just STFU and let them in already".
>Read between the lines, dickweed. Now all of the NATO countries who support Ukraine are gonna be like "Turkey would you just STFU and let them in already".
what does that have anything to do with the very real possibility highly-advanced gripen planes will be meaninglessly sent to be shotdown for no reason?
is the gripen THIS trivial?
I dont think it is
You sound pro russian. You wouldn't get it.
real life isn't like your marvel movies. there aren't good guys and bad guys, there's just guys
Turkey, Sweden, and the USA already came to an agreement, NATO will recognise terrorism as a threat and support Turkey in rooting out kurdroach commie terrorists.
Obongo's beloved vermin will soon be nothing more than an unpleasant memory.
People actually bitch about globohomo? I thought it was a joke
once again it would appear that the gripen has been the source of a meltdown of considerable proportions. Just imagine what it will achieve once it's actually deployed in Ukraine