1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    9mm is best

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    9mm is a better general purpose cartridge. But the 45acp can be pushed and tailored to perform in niche and specific roles. And no one can convince me that a 45 that expands to an inch or more is going to damage the same or less than a 9mm that expands to 0.75, I shoot both.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >But the 45acp can
      cope.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He has a point. .45 acp can be loaded for suppressed use way more effectively than 9mm, it's way easier to load .45 with semi wadcutters for competition use, you can load .45 way up with heavy bullets for silhouette and bowling pin matches, etc. For general purpose, 9mm is probably the better carry round In specialized cases where you want a certain bullet profile or a whole shitload of kinetic energy dumped on target, .45 can be more easily tailored.

        Neither one means shit if you don't own one or don't practice regularly, the dick measuring over negligible differences in performance is a moot point if you can't actually shoot it and hit what your aiming at consistently.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >.45 acp can be loaded for suppressed use way more effectively than 9mm
          no, it can't.
          keep on coping.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Anon you’re denying the truth, which is the definition of cope, .45 acp is much quieter the 9mm because it is subsonic. That being said 9mm is a better round overall.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Look at his short know it all responses. You're arguing with a woman. Let it go, the bitch is on her period and she's feeling extra argumentative.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >.45 acp is much quieter the 9mm because it is subsonic.
              147 gr 9 mm is significantly quieter than fuddy faav when suppressed.

              >bu.. but you need SPECIAL 9 mm, fuddy faav is NATURALLY subs
              SHUT THE FUCK UP.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      45acp is subsonic
      9mm is supersonic

      the additional mass of the fuddy-five's bullet means the fuddy-five has more momentum (kick) but less kinetic energy (wounding)

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wrong idiot. Neither pistol round goes fast enough to even come close to wounding based on energy like a fragmenting rifle rounds. Both rounds are slow and will round purely by their size cutting a swath through flesh.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >something something wound vectors

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >45acp is subsonic
        Not the way I load it, it isn't. All fuddy five is underloaded because so many antique guns still exist. The case can take a whole lot more pressure if your gun can.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >45 that expands to an inch
      At point blank range in perfect gel.
      In reality, not do much, especially at a distance.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I own a 45 and god damn it do I get upset every time I buy ammo.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Learn to reload.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        this man speaks truth. if you aren't using shotgun powder for 45acp what are you even doing in life

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        yeah sure and your very first reloaded bullet cost $700

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          My reloading kit cost $300, I needed to add another $100-$150 worth of stuff to actually be able to start reloading. The cheapest factory .45 acp where I am is $37 per box of 50, defensive ammunition is $50 for a box of 20.
          I can load target .45 cartridges for $0.35, less than half the cost of factory ammunition, and in my experience I get better accuracy. My defensive loads come out to $0.60-$0.70 each, less than a third the cost of factory, and that's using top quality components.
          My initial investment of $400-$450 will pay off after about 1100-1250 target loads, or 225-250 full power defensive loads. If you're practicing at least once every couple months with ~100-200 target loads and maybe a box of defensives, which you should be at bare minimum in order to be at all competent while carrying, you're going to make your investment back in less than a year.
          This is beyond the fact that my handloads are tuned specifically to my gun, can be tailored to specific competition settings, and use top quality components when loaded for defensive purposes.
          Sure, if you aren't into shooting much or don't like doing repetitive tasks, I can get why you wouldn't want to get into it. If you are in any way a serious shooter, you basically need to get into reloading to squeeze the most from your guns and get good without needlessly abusing the wallet.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This. Yeah, there is an initial cost, but it's a piece of equipment that will last a long time (so long as you don't abuse the shit out of it). You don't factor in the price of your car and future maintenance when filling up your tank each week. You just look at the pump, and that's all.
            With 9mm, the savings are there but not significant. But with cartridges that aren't as popular, such as .38 special, the savings are enormous. I'm able to load .38 target loads for around 20 cpr, which is shit by old standards, but it beats paying 50 cpr. My defensive handloads are about as cheap and the savings there are far greater.
            It's very much worth it to get into reloading, especially today.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I have a NIB RCBS rebel master and some other components that I just haven't gotten around to setting up yet. I need to do it but last time I was looking I couldn't find any available components besides powder.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >not taking the lee pill

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This needs expansion… needs a girl for 38 special, 380, 40 s&w, 44 mag, 32, 25 acp (midget pornstar?)

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              needs .460 S&W Mag as well

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >50 ae

            Damn we got some proper architects working in the cartridge design world

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              the architect cartridge is .50 GI.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >9X25 Dillon
            The tomboy choice.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        good like finding primers.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Whichever you own and regularly practice with.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    "Yes, I do believe .50 Action Express is the peak semi-auto self defense round."
    .50 AE settles what the 9mm vs. .45ACP debate started. I am able to fire a 325 grain bullet at ~1,450 ft/s, delivering over 1,500 ft/lbs of energy onto the target. This covers the velocity of 9mm and provides more "stopping power" than .45 users could ever want.
    >but what about capacity?
    I find that my 1911 and revolver using compatriots will agree that 7 rounds will get the job done, however, being an autoloader means I am able to reload quickly if needed.
    >but it's so expensive!
    While H&K users will mock you for this, I must agree it is a bit of a steep price tag. However I would argue your life is worth every penny, no?
    >but you look so stupid carrying that big gun, are you compesnsating for something?
    First, while I respectfully disagree with your first claim, guns are not a fashion statement. Second, the only compensating I do is with my muscular arms taming this beast of a weapon.
    >but you should never trust your life with a meme gun
    Such buzzwords mean nothing to me.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the only compensating I do is with my muscular arms taming this beast of a weapon.
      Based Fritz

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Laughs in .440 Corbon

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ah, a fellow big bore man: well met.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I own an officer 1911 and a Glock 30, but I wouldn't carry .45

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ok, why?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ammo cost. I can't practice as much when ammo is 50-66cpr instead of 33cpr like 9mm.
        Ballistics of 45 and 9 are also negligible so I'd rather have more capacity as well.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Can't argue with that. I think a .38 special vs 9mm makes a better debate, revolver or auto.
          >Ballistics of 45 and 9 are also negligible
          I agree, anything the nine can do, a .45 can do a little bit better. Just joking

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Just joking
            but you're correct. everytime the 9mm vs .45 debate comes up, gays start screeching "muh hollow point technology!!!!" as if .45's don't also have the same hollow point technology the 9mm's do.
            Both rounds have advanced and the .45 still beats the 9mm

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >as if .45's don't also have the same hollow point technology the 9mm's do.
              They unironically don't because a lot more money was put into developing 9mm rounds since there's no point in doing it for .45 ACP and the big boys funded it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                what in the absolute fuck are you talking about? i have 9mm's and .45's and every type of hollow point available for my 9mm is also available for my .45.

                Gold Dots, Critical Defense, Fiocchi, Federal. All produce the same type of hollow points in both calibers.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Is it as good?
                No.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes it is, its even better actually. The only thing 9mm offers over .45 is increased magazine capacity and slightly less recoil depending on the firearm.

                when professionals are given a CHOICE of sidearm, they nearly always choose a .45

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >when professionals are given a CHOICE of sidearm, they nearly always choose a .45
                That's not true though and show me pictures of all your murder victims you tested your unsubstantiated theories on.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because your obsession with glocks as the 9mm boogeyman in combination with the existence of the .45 glock was funny to me, anon.

                you are a predditor and no longer welcome on this board. take your 9mm peashooter and go shoot the neighborhood strays or something, that's all its good for.

                ffs a grizzly was killed with a .22, 9mm has never done that.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'd make fun of you for being a butthurt retard, but honestly, after months of bongs and slavs who never held a gun in their lives spamming the board I'm kinda glad we still have people sperging out in caliber debates.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i hope you save that image and spam it across PrepHole because its the most based post i've ever made here

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                actually you know what, i'll save this image myself and spread it. thanks for preparing the image for me.
                i can't believe i said something so objectively correct and agreeable.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Best post on k/
                Vatnik, chink, europoor and glowmoron shills have destroyed this board, it's refreshing having a good old caliber spergout.

                Now, i have both 9mm and 45acp, objectively 9mm is better since superior capacity, similar terminal effect, and most of all ease of shooting. If i had to choose only one caliber, it'd be 9mm.

                However, once i got closer to 30 and got a 1911, 45 grew on me, it's super fun to shoot, although it might be the 1911 grip and trigger. It's a big fat bullet originally made to stop morons, communists, europoors, beaners and any combination of the above.

                In the end both will kill a tweaker, shoot whatever you like, just git gud m8

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                anyone that think the military didn't look at 9mm before deciding that .45 was better at killing drug addicts and savages doesn't have a brain.

                9mm luger was invented in 1901, if it did a "better" job at killing people they would've went with that instead, but they didn't. I wonder why....

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because it was a German cartridge used by German pistols at the beginning of the 20th century and nations prefer buying their own shit.
                Once that changed America switched to 9mm pretty fast.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                because dumb and gay is a stubborn combination, as can be seen itt.

                Not the anon you quoted
                Good points but you didn't tell the rest. The 9 mm had no significant advantage over the .38 LC, the .45acp did.
                Of course, the 9mm today is far different from the 9mm over 100 years ago. Same applies to the .45 ACP.
                The fanboys just can't be objective,
                >my expansion
                >my capacity
                Etc

                I USE 45ACP CAUSE ITS THE CALIBER OF THE LORD

                Amen

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The 9 mm had no significant advantage over the .38 LC, the .45acp did.
                no, it didn't read the thompson lagarde tests. the actual tests, not just the made up conclusion.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not looking to argue, thanks for the reply and recommendation.
                >The Thompson-LaGarde Tests have since been criticized as being "highly unscientific" and producing a recommendation unsupported by the test results.
                I looked, albeit briefly at some exerpts and am a little unclear still. For example the above quote is not stating the .45 did not perform well. It points out the shoddy testing and unsupported recommendation.
                And apparently the .45acp did perform well despite the test for 100+ years and counting.
                >read the thompson lagarde tests. the actual tests, not just the made up conclusion.
                I read parts, are you saying the testing was sound or not?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                in the tompson lagarde tests,
                - .30 Luger haf the fastest kill on cattle
                - cattle shot with .45, .455 and .476 colts several times had to be put down with hammers because they refused to die from big&slow
                - 9 mm and .45 colt had the same "shock rating" of 80 in the human cadaver trials

                thus, .45? where does that make sense?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't even understand the point of citing these tests to begin with, the tests were conducted in 1904. There have been like no advances in propellants since then, right?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ok thanks for clarifying. I read the beef lung, intestines and swinging cadavers part. But again, these "formal" tests are not credible. A 150 lb. deer gutshot with a centerfire rifle and runs off, a 1300 lb. steer gets gutshot with pistols, lays down, gets up, is shot again and so forth. Not very scientific. Too many varibles. The hammer part got me, just shoot it, center of the X ears to eyes crossed.
                Thanks for the info.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Animal: Stag, weighing, approximately, 1300 lbs.
                >Bullet from Colt’s New Service Revolver, Caliber 0.476.

                >As it became evident that the animal would not die immediately from the wounds already inflicted, he was shot [for the fifth time] in the head at the end of six minutes and thirty seconds from the time of the first shot, with no apparent effect.

                >Sixth shot: At the end of seven minutes and fifteen seconds, the animal, still standing, was shot into the ear, with no apparent effect.

                >Seventh shot: At the end of eight minutes and fifteen seconds, the animal still standing, was shot behind the ear. The animal continued to stand, the shots having failed to reach a vital spot, it was determined to kill him in accordance with the method practiced at the slaughter house. At the fourth blow on the head with a hammer he fell to the ground and expired.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Animal: Stag, weighing, approximately, 1250 lbs.

                >Cupped (so-called “Man-stopper”) bullet from Colt’s Revolver, Caliber 0.455, New Service.

                >2:40:20 P.M., shot through chest from left to right.

                >Animal was tied to a post with his head pressed against it. He remained in the same position when hit, only raising his left foot; he coughed but gave no evidence of shock. At 2:41:20 animal was again shot; no shock apparent, head was still butted against the post. At 2:42:30 P.M. animal was shot, this time through the abdomen. He was then between the post and the wall and was standing quietly. He was driven therefrom to put him in position for firing, as before. At 2:43:35 P.M. animal was again shot, through the abdomen; continued standing with head butted up against post. At 2:44:35 P.M. his eyes were clear and he showed no particular manifestation of pain or shock. Orders were then given to kill him with the hammer. Death ensued at 2:50 P.M.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Stag, weighing approximately about the same as the first animal.

                >Full jacketed bullet from Luger Pistol 7.65 M/M.

                >Animal shot through lungs from left to right. Dropped at the end of thirty seconds. Perceptibly shocked when hit. Blood flowed at once from nostrils; was in death struggle at end of three minutes.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Animal: Stag, weighing, approximately, 1250 lbs.

                >Cupped (so-called “Man-stopper”) bullet from Colt’s Revolver, Caliber 0.455, New Service.

                >2:40:20 P.M., shot through chest from left to right.

                >Animal was tied to a post with his head pressed against it. He remained in the same position when hit, only raising his left foot; he coughed but gave no evidence of shock. At 2:41:20 animal was again shot; no shock apparent, head was still butted against the post. At 2:42:30 P.M. animal was shot, this time through the abdomen. He was then between the post and the wall and was standing quietly. He was driven therefrom to put him in position for firing, as before. At 2:43:35 P.M. animal was again shot, through the abdomen; continued standing with head butted up against post. At 2:44:35 P.M. his eyes were clear and he showed no particular manifestation of pain or shock. Orders were then given to kill him with the hammer. Death ensued at 2:50 P.M.

                Well past time to test hammer vs bayonet

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It changed because military strategists began to understand that enemy wounded was better than enemy killed. A killed enemy isn't a drag on resources. The unit moves on with the battle plan. A wounded enemy becomes a logistics nightmare and can take up to 3 or 4 men out of the fight. In addition to the cost of treating the wounded man long-term. If you want to kill, .45 is what you use.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                have a nice day, fucking retarded shitposter.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If I were to kill myself, I'd use a hollow point 9mm instead of the 9x19 FMJ standard used by most NATO countries because the Hollow Point is more likely to kill, which is totally the reason that militaries use the FMJ standard, because they are trying to kill, right?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Militaries use FMJ ammo because the Hague Declaration forbids expanding bullets.
                Fun fact, the US and Britian never signed it, but observe the treaty. So, they can use HP ammo anytime they want but probably don't want to deal with the headaches caused by all the other signee countries.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, my point being that lethality isn't the primary concern with selecting a bullet. Even if it's just to reduce lethality to be in-line with the Geneva Conventions. That being said, the Army is considering standard issue hollow points again and I can't imagine any other country would allow a 120 year-old treaty to stand in their way if they really wanted to use them. Regarding the .45 vrs 9mm, I'll take the caliber. But I get the argument surrounding higher psi in the cartridge. If I'm worried about distance, I'm using a rifle. Close Quarters, the caliber matters.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                because dumb and gay is a stubborn combination, as can be seen itt.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Source?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                this board told me 22 can’t even break glass

                a guy was arrested for accidentally killing a grizzly with a .22, this is public record.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >.22 caliber
                It was probably an AR. Not a .22 lr
                News loves being manipulative like that.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why plea on that? You're allowed to defend yourself from an animal attack. Unless he shot it from way the fuck off and then ballistics squealers would've put the lie to that.

                my point is that .22 and .45 gigachads will be fucking your girlfriends and killing the worlds largest game while 9mm incels will be jacking off alone in their mothers closet

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why plea on that? You're allowed to defend yourself from an animal attack. Unless he shot it from way the fuck off and then ballistics squealers would've put the lie to that.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                this board told me 22 can’t even break glass

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Boomer are you fucking retarded?
                Bears have been killed with 9mm.....quite a few times. Do you even google before you post?
                I carry .380acp so I have no dog in the race but 9mm killing bears is well publicized.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                .45 is for fags.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Even in your own image it states that the only reasons they chose the Glock was ease-of-maintainence and widely-available replacement parts.
                They didn't choose Glock or 9mm because they were better in combat. It was a matter of "the crayon eaters don't want to take care if their guns"

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                your reading comprehension is as lacking as your heterosexuality.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                but im correct though. point out where in your article it states that the glock 9mm was chosen because of combat effectiveness or superiority to the .45, because I don't see that anywhere.
                Its the same reason we will continue using the m4 for another couple decades; because its easy to clean and theres lots of replacement parts, not because its better than other rifles.

                get the dick out of your mouth and let your brain get some air

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >NOOO THEY PREFER IT FOR THE WRONG REASONS!
                if faggy five was any better except for getting your gay pecker aroused, they could have chosen glocks in faggy five.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >he constantly has cock on his mind
                that, combined with the fact you've never posted your own handgun, and i can safely say you're an unironic gay tourist who's opinion should be ignored.

                post your gun NOW

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                pov: you.

                cope and seethe, gay.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I unironically have no idea why someone would post their gun. You want all of your anonymous statements that are posted parallel to your IP address to be attached to a statement of gun ownership to be available by the feds to use against you?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                imagine being this schizophrenic
                just say you dont have any we already know you dont

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >t. fed

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                moron only no guns say that shit, if it ever comes to the point you're being databased and doorknocked, it's time to start shooting anyways, fucking retards

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Your guns are being databased every time you register them and they have started no-knocking people. Which is probably why you like 9mm so much.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nooooo the 2A is for consooming accessories to put on my rifle so it looks just like the guns from muh bibeogaymes

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This but unironically

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Life hack, buy the stuff from China on ebay, it's justasgood and 80% cheaper

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Thpthpthp

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Army Special Operations Command has also CHOSEN the glock 19 FOR its elite units
                so you're telling me non-combat pencil pushers made a wide sweeping decision and didn't consider what the soldiers actually prefered? shocking

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >since many of the elite outfit's members prefer the popular Glock 19 9mm handgun over the custom .45 pistols
                cope and seethe, gay. go suck off your fellow faggy five peter puffer.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                prefer them BECAUSE they're easier to maintain, it says it right in that image.

                If they had offered a Glock in .45 they would've chose that because Glocks are easier to maintain than 1911's, the 9mm part played zero factor in the decision

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                go binge on semen, gay.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Glocks in .45 exist and since the 9mm glock they chose by popular demand wasn't standard kit either they could have gotten the .45 version as well.
                They didn't because .45 offers no practical advantages.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                ah yes, .45 offers zero advantage over 9mm, just like 9mm offers zero advantage over .22lr

                it makes sense if you don't think about it

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the gay cancer must have spread from your anus to your brain.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                at least if i had brain cancer i could kill myself with my .45, you'd just make yourself retarded

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                still coping and seething.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >still hasn't posted his own gun
                you have to be 18 to post here

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                satisfying your demands would be totally gay. stay assmad, assmuncher.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The difference between 9mm and .45 is meaningless in practical application. The difference between 9mm and .22lr is not.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Real operators prefer 9mm.
                Confirmed.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >debate
            9 is better by every metric

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Both are old and gay
    >30 super carry vs 10mm
    >9mm major vs 460 rowland
    >5.7 vs 7.5

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      5.7 a shit. 4.6x30 is the future.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you either like both or hate both PDW rounds, unless you just like the guns in which they were made then thats fair

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you know that 9 major is just 9x19 right?

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why not both?

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Sigma .380 is superior to either

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    5.7

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I shoot .40S&W because it's on the shelf when the others are not.

    I also do believe in the meme of flat bullets being better at barrier penetration.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Personally i got over this by shooting JHPs of both through stuff and comparing hole size, also just looking at the projectiles front on instead of at a distance or from the side. .45 looks way bigger but the holes they actually poke are like arguing about whether an index figure width hole or middle finger width hole is better. Just not worth worrying over.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Both pathetic pop gun BB rounds, as are all practical pistol rounds. Unless you get a direct hit on a major organ it's the same as stabbing a man with a knife. But 9x19 has less recoil. The choice is obvious.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How many men have you shot with each type of ammunition and how many men have you stabbed with a knife? You are very authoritative on this topic, so I'm sure you have personal experience to back up your statements.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        A couple with 9x19, 7.5gram FMJ surplus.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    For self defense purposes, there is no real difference between the two, 9mm has so many god damn options out there that match 'wound channels' of .45 so closely that you have to pull out a finely tuned measuring instrument to see which is which. There is no such thing as 'stopping power' in a pistol round, the best you can hope for is to perforate someone so many times that you hit something vital by shear volume of fire

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >If you can hit your target pretty much any gun'll do the trick

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Carry a real round like .22lr

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Both do the job. One is more expensive and takes more room which can lower your magazine capasity.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    .380 is also equivalent at handgun ranges and unarmored skinwalkers.

    But the answer is:
    .45acp = Subsonic, heaviest boolet
    .380 = Subsonic, still a very dangerous medium weight boolet
    9mm P+ = Supersonic medium weight boolet

    9mm P+ is the most deadly of the three and also the flattest and most accurate and best at penetrating thick clothing and substandard body armor.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Here's the hottest take of all. the answer is your personal preference. I personally love the .45 ACP. But lots of my friends and co-workers love the 9mm. That's fine. it's what they like. I'd much rather be side by side in a shootout with someone who is comfortable and proficient with what they like as apposed to what some gay on PrepHole says is better based on arbitrary reasons

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >That's fine. it's what they like.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    9mm is just too generally good to be topped by any other pistol cartridge, everything else has a trade off of some sort.

    >Less capicty than 9mm but more penetration, expansion and "stopping power", more recoil but no big deal if you lift even casually. Think .45 ACP and .40 S&W, or even .357 if you want.

    >More capacity, but less penetration, expansion, and "stopping power", less recoil so more control. Think .380 ACP, .32 caliber in general or a little .38 snubbie.

    >Special cartridge that's harder to find, more expensive to purchase, has limited selection of guns, defensive loads and accessories, difficult to hand load, and often very high pressure loads that wear parts down quickly and impart less control. Usually not a lot better than 9mm in practicle performance. .357 sig, 10mm auto and a whole bunch of others come to mind

    9mm parabellum really is the perfect pistol cartridge, others have sincerely tried to topple it but it's just too ubiquitous and competent in every way to replace. Something really amazing would have to come along to be a truly practicle replacement, and I don't mean some super duper 9mm that's got 20% more penetration and 20% more expansion, that's been done before and it never takes off. I mean something that is a genuine paradigm shift in the same way smokeless gunpowder was, or some equivalent innovation to smokeless gunpowder.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think we may still see an improved 9mm round, something like Talon, that can handle armor better. But it won't become available on the civilian market so who cares?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        AP 9mm is kind of pointless considering that it is a defensive round other than "lol MP-5"
        Plus you have 5.7 and other new rounds that can do the PDW better and the military generally is more interested in rifle rounds.

        cops don't innovate shit and ATF and Congress is nofun "cop-killer bullets"

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      9 is a mediocre Suppressed round and only lives by its ubiquity. It’s like if 7.62 actually became the common NATO round vlbut for handguns.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      AHEMM
      38 super
      >same capacity as nine
      >more case capacity so can be loaded hotter
      I rest my case

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ahem... TWO

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      WORLD

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        WARS

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I thought this was settled years ago. Common handgun rounds perform too similarly for differences in performance to be meaningful. Shoot literally whatever you like and can afford.

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    See pic related

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      and what benefit does 10mm provide over the other calibers?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        60gr 2400fps
        180gr 1350 fps
        100gr screw driver round 1825fps

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          https://doubletapammo.com/collections/450-smc/products/450-smc-185gr-controlled-expansion-a-jhp-20rds
          >180gr 1350 fps
          basic bitch .45 can do that

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >.450 SMC
            you're a fucking idiot.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >take any stock .45 handgun
              >shoot .450 smc in it
              i don't really see the issue. 10mm is good but don't act like its in a league of its own in 2022

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >just shoot proof loads, bro!
                fucking idiot: confirmed.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                amazing, who could have imagined that proof load pressures from 1900 would be used for defensive loads in 2010. lmao

                10 mm is a cartridge people actually use.

                .45 super/smc is what .45 fags appeal to in defense of .45 ACP.

                please don't make any more a fool of yourself by trying to appeal to popularity. i already told you I like 10mm, a lot, but you're blowing smoke up your own ass if you think its any more popular than hot .45 loads

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                .45 ACP guns are still made to handle .45 ACP pressures. nothing changed in that regard. I bet you wouldn't agree to using 9mm proof loads for comparison either.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yeah actually every chance I get I suggest 9mm users to carry proof +++penis+++ loads in hopes of killing two birds with one stone eventually

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                10 mm is a cartridge people actually use.

                .45 super/smc is what .45 fags appeal to in defense of .45 ACP.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >muh numbers
          You overpaid for .40 keep coping

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    10mm.

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    .45acp for stopping power

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    .357 Sig

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    9mm is objectively better in nearly all situations.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      except for killing people. 9mm just pisses people off.

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    9mm is for tactical timmies, .45 is for Men. I've seen plenty of criminals get lit up by police with 9mm glocks and survive, but haven't seen any criminals that get lit up with .45 live to tell the tale.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because you're fucking retarded and haven't been on PrepHole for longer than 2 days.
      That webm posted in every relevant thread of the cop dumping all his rounds into a junkie with no effect has him using .45.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you don't even own a gun so suck my large caliber cock. you learn everything about guns from youtubers and internet forums

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >That webm posted in every relevant thread of the cop dumping all his rounds into a junkie with no effect has him using .45.
          that's a blatant lie but thanks for playing, retard. About zero police departments have standard issue .45s

          >tears lies and denial
          Lol
          Lmao even

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            post your 9mm plastic handgun

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >he bullied me I bet he uses a glock
              Kek, aren't glocks available in .45 by now?

              no one cares what you think noguns

              Platinum mad.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I said that because he most likely does carry a glock or glock-ripoff and does so because he hasn't bothered to prove me wrong.
                He can post his gun anytime, why are you simping for him you fucking gay?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because your obsession with glocks as the 9mm boogeyman in combination with the existence of the .45 glock was funny to me, anon.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >That webm posted in every relevant thread of the cop dumping all his rounds into a junkie with no effect has him using .45.
        that's a blatant lie but thanks for playing, retard. About zero police departments have standard issue .45s

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >About zero police departments have standard issue .45s
          Plenty authorize .45s and the same goes for sheriff departments. The latter even sometimes have them as the standard.

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If 45s were as cheap as 9mm I’d go with them hands down

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ITT: buttmad 9mm fags

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The only seething and coping seems to be done by .45 fags in this particular thread.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        no one cares what you think noguns

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hey so basically I just like .45 I Know..... UGH I know I'm off meta and le cringe... It's just that I like shooting .45 is all HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      damn bro i'm really jelly of that Ithaca. What year is it?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's a frankengun on an Essex Arms frame that I bought for cheapish and did some work on to get it running reliably, so I don't know unfortunately.

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    .44 mag
    /thread

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >.44 mag
      >/thread
      Nothing is over! I'll see your .44 mag and raise you a .454 Casull.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        .454 is good. But I find that .44 magnum will do for most CC related needs. Just wish there was a good semiauto pcc in .44

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    One will blow your lung out of your body

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    where’s my double stack 1911

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    7.62x25

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    kneel

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    .44

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    10mm

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In just about every .45ACP self defense shooting webm I've seen on this site, anyone hit with it immediately drops, i've seen multiple 9mm webm's where they can continue firing before they bleed out or get ventilated.

    pic unrelated

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because you can't recognize either.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you can recognize the pistol used you stupid noguns

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yes but he can't or he would have recognized plenty of .45s.
          E.g. the drugged up guy in the suit getting blasted by the cop with a revolver that's posted in these threads all the time, usually with retarded claiming it's 9mm because the guy just keeps on walking.
          Hint: He's not shooting 9mm.

  41. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hollow points and hi-cap mags are a thing, so you really can't go wrong with either one.
    That said, a PCC in ,45 with a suppressor will always be sweeter than a 9mm.

  42. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Four five

  43. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I USE 45ACP CAUSE ITS THE CALIBER OF THE LORD

  44. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  45. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >If you're gonna destroy something then destroy it, don't poke holes in it with a pen knife

  46. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Big gun
    1cm, or .460 rowland. Fuck standard pressure .45
    >Sm0l gun
    9mm. All day.

  47. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Thread starts out with posts pointing out that differences in ballistics of common pistol calibers are negligible, and skill is more important than cartridge choice
    >Ends with a bunch of retards screaming and flinging shit at each other because "anybody that uses a different cartridge from me is a fag and a retard"

    Who could've seen that coming?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Autism? on MY PrepHole?

  48. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Whichever one blows the entire lung out

  49. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    All pistol calibers are shit. Anything less than a Draco SBR is a toy

  50. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    45 acp subsonic or saboted 45 acp rounds for velocity. look up the idahoan show on youtube who 3d printed some.

  51. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    .460 Rowland

  52. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    my lil PrepHole doin somethin

  53. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    .40 S&W

    It's practical/urban 10MM

    Actual 10MM THE REAL STUFF, should be for large wild animals and alien monsters.

  54. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They're both gonna do the job, 9 maybe a tad bit more but undisputedly has more capacity. I carry a 45 1911 and I love every last thing about it, but honestly after that mall shooting I am starting to reconsider capacity as king.

    30 Super looks pretty promising too, shame the only guns chambered in them currently are super expensive Nighthawk 1911 or an M&P Shield or EZ. I'd probably buy a Beretta 92 30 Super carry kit right now if it were available.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      30 Super really needs a thin, all steel pocket gun to sell it. Hell, even a scaled Glock gen 3 knockoff with a double stack steel mag would work.
      If the gun's 9mm sized, you're better off with 9mm than another 2 rounds.

  55. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    .45 ACP is better when shooting light cover such as car glass or wooden boards, because mass.

    9mm has better capacity and flies slightly more straight. Both are standard for pistol rounds and will do the job just fine.

    For me, personally, .45 ACP kicks a little harder but "drier", which is perfect for my body build. So ill take it for this aspect alone.

  56. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I carry .380 because I was drunk when I ordered my gun online and clicked the wrong model.

  57. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    9mm is cheapest to shoot. Plus we have good bullets in current year so I'd rather have capacity. 45aarp is only better for muh stopping power if you compare both rounds shooting ball ammo.

  58. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    .380

  59. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    1

  60. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Can palmetto state make a 50ae? Tired of carrying pussy shit like 10mm and 45 super.

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