why do British guns have these metal things coming out of the grip? I assume the longer barrel is because of minimum barrel length, but wtf is that metal thing? if it's for a retarded OAL rule for pistols, why not just put a stock on it at that point?
or even if you can't, every time I see a br*tish pistol, the metal things are always coming out of the grip. why not have it come out of somewhere else?
>inb4 Google
I looked up "why do British handguns have that metal thing" and all I got were people talking about how old British officer pistols had a little lanyard loop on the handle.
post other silly/goofy British compliant guns and silly laws I guess
British law doesn’t allow handguns because of concealability, whenever you see weird British laws remember that most of them came from the time of the troubles and other IRA shenanigans
The no pistol rules long with concilablity was because of our worst school shooting, the Dunblane massacre.
Brutal shit
school shootings are always manufactured by the government, you're just giving power to a mythos designed to demoralize you
>school shootings are always manufactured by the government,
I really hope you don't actually believe that
there's enough evidence to pretty starkly reinforce that fact, especially places outside of the united states. look, if the crown is willing to kill people they consider their own citizens over land they don't even symbolically respect or are willing to take sovereignty over, then i don't know why you're surprised they would resort to physical violence against them in other contexts
if you're an american, everyone knows lee harvey oswald wasn't the only one who shot jfk. you're telling me that they don't just do that for school shootings? that people just like you that use websites like this just suddenly snap and kill people? lol
I think you're wearing that tin foil a tad too tight
tinfoil hats have been proven to protect against covid-19. you ARE wearing your tinfoil hat, right anon?
Anon, Russians have been heavily investing in every conspiracy theory for over a 100 years. These retards are either paid to distribute this shit or bought into it. Just ask them about the Holocaust to weed out crazy poltards.
>le Russians are behind everything
Why are you talking shit about conspiracy theorists when clearly you are one of them?
Prove they're not behind everything.
Typed with your tongue firmly in your cheek?
Prove there isn't a teapot in space that's too small to see with a telescope
the government says its there, that means it's true and you have to believe it.
Are the Russians in the room with us right now anon?
>Russians have been heavily investing in every conspiracy theory for over a 100 years
The Russians funded conspiracy theories, therefore all of them are false.
This is retarded thinking. The term “conspiracy theory” was coined by the CIA and the us government has been caught astroturfing the UFO community for their own purposes. All governments do it. That doesn’t mean that there’s no truth outside the narrative.
>That doesn’t mean that there’s no truth outside the narrative.
The only truth is to not trust a fucking word out of the government's mouth.
>the us government has been caught astroturfing the UFO community for their own purposes
That was the Ayys masking their presence
t. Hillary Clinton
>Just ask them about the Holocaust to weed out crazy poltards.
Exactly. Holocaust denial is punishable by seven years imprisonment in Russia under Federal Law no. 128-FZ, so anyone who insists the six gorillion really happened is a confirmed vatmoron
Reminder that for some mysterious reason the Americans marching east kept liberating internment camps while the Soviets marching west kept liberating death camps, too. We'll just have to take their word for it.
>Reminder that for some mysterious reason the Americans marching east kept liberating internment camps while the Soviets marching west kept liberating death camps, too.
Is this like how Kazakhstan tends to launch Cosmonaughts and Florida usually launches astronauts?
KEK. the picture is even better when you swap their places
>Ivan, did you find the Death Kamps?
>Nyet friend, just places of internment
>Reminder that for some mysterious reason the Americans marching east kept liberating internment camps while the Soviets marching west kept liberating death camps, too.
Tbh this is not really that much of a mystery, you don't shit where you eat and you don't mass exterminate your political enemies where your own populace lives, even though they voted for you and kept thinking the quiet part about "something needing to be done with these undesirables".
Even the soviets reserved the worst chimpouts and deadliest work camps to places in Siberia or near the construction of the Belomorkanal rather than downtown Moscow or Leningrad.
Why did the gas chambers have wooden doors?
Why were pregnant women allowed to live to the point they gave birth?
Why was Anne Frank taken to hospital for scabies when they could have taken care of both her and the mites by taking her to a gas chamber?
What's the point?
Might as well make it a single shot pistol
>Why did the gas chambers have wooden doors?
They didn't
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/artifact/casting-of-majdanek-gas-chamber-door
Now please go back to 4chan
Not him. Its true.
The shooter only got a firearms license because him and the local police chief were both freemasons and both went to the same lodge.
Which one?
God damn you're retarded. You don't have even the most basic understanding of statistics or politics and resort of bullshit instead, which means you are completely ineffective as an advocate for our rights and freedoms. I hope you say thank you to the rest of us for doing the work you won't.
On this board? Yes? Not like they or the ziggers are fucking shy about it anon. It's much more plausible honestly though I assume other anon was poking a bit of fun at the schizo retard who bends over for government all the while saying he's a free thinker.
I think you missed the Reddit door.
But for real this board has been astroturfed by both the US and Russia. The Russians are just a lot worse at it.
You’re a gay or blind to believe every narrative. But hey, some just like blind security than scary freedom.
Imagine being this retarded lmao.
Checked. Here come the 5 eyes shills.
are you saying that there's some kind of conspiracy involved? could you explain what the five eyes is? I just thought that it makes sense without having to resort to complicated expanations, but you seem to know more about this than i do
>Dunblane massacre
>18 dead including perp
>Brutal shit
Imagine allowing yourself to be cucked and essentially disarmed forever (no centerfire rifles + no handguns at all) because some retard killed 17 kids nearly 30 years ago.
>no centerfire rifles + no handguns at all
You've not been paying attention have you? or listening to Fox.
I'll admit handguns are difficults, as I said in an earlier post. But centrefire up to .50 cal is quite possible. Stalking and vermin control all requires centrefire, from .17HMR through .222, .223, .22-250, & .308 being the most common calibres
I'll give you that. I meant no centerfire semi autos.
>handguns are difficult
Handguns are impossible for a regular citizen. They are extremely hard to get even for a vetted private security company employee which is one of the few valid reasons to own one.
You don't own one. You don't even know anyone who owns one.
>You don't even know anyone who owns one
Yes I do. Two people
You literally are having to file paperwork akin to what I would if I wanted a fully automatic Thompson submachine gun
Meanwhile you can buy picrel like you would toys on eBay.
Fun trivia fact: tennis player Andy Murray was a pupil at Dunblane school and he survived the shooting.
law abiding Brits:
>stuck with a 10 inch rod they can use to stick up their ass while they are forced to wear a little speaker that blares an alarm every 3 minutes saying "BE AWARE, THIS PERSON IS CURRENTLY CARRYING A FIREARM" and are required by law to start any conversation with the fact that they have a gun on their person at the time
criminals:
>cuts off the little metal bit
>don't wear the speaker
>don't tell anyone you have a gun
crazy how that works
Yeah no shit, have you ever spoken to the average policy maker? They are so stupid, they have trouble breathing.
The only things that are bigger than their stupidity is their ego and their cunning.
Laws don't make sense because they are just written and voted to pretend they did something.
Does it have to be every three minutes? Can I adjust it to run nonstop?
I think crims are gonna crim no matter what. Throwing acid at people and making car bombs isn't legal either, but they still do it.
Thank god that the average gangbanger these days is a complete jobber, otherwise it might occur to them to actually do this or smuggle guns over from Europe.
I'm surprised they don't basically try and smuggle fuck loads of guns from the US, as that seems easier
I tried to buy a 2 round shotgun magazine to replace broken one from the US, no one would sell one to me to me in the UK, and everyone gave me different answers as to why.
as long as it isn't over $100, I don't think it violates ITAR. let me double check this shit before I offer to do it though
Thanks anon but don't worry about it, I ended up scrapping and getting another one that works, the magazine turned out to be just one issue it had and the thing cost me £40, and the working replacement cost me £60.
I did post on here a few months ago to see if any anons would consider buying me one and shipping it over, but everyone just started saying its ITAR restricted and calling me a glowie. I don't think it did come under ITAR, and some places said they wouldn't sell it to me for tax reasons.
Shotgun was pic related
The state benefits from violent criminals. The state expands because of them. The state risks shrinking if common citizens become stronger.
It's not a bug, it's a feature.
Sheesh at that point why not just attach a stock and use it as a compact carbine instead?
Or are there laws against that too, so youre obliged to stick that prostate tickler on there precisely because it wouldnt make the firearm any easier/more ergonomic to shoot?
>Or are there laws against that too
>by attaching a stock you now have a rifle
>centrefire semiautomatic rifles are banned
Simple as that
Fuck's sake, what a clown show
That's not correct though, any center fire semi auto is banned, so these pistols are usually in .22lr. You can have anything in .22 rimfire as semi automatic, so you can have them as carbines if you like, people just want them to be as close to pistols as they can. Pic related is UK legal
>forced to wear a little speaker that blares an alarm every 3 minutes saying "BE AWARE, THIS PERSON IS CURRENTLY CARRYING A FIREARM" and are required by law to start any conversation with the fact that they have a gun on their person at the time
I refuse to believe
>I refuse to believe
Very wise
>I refuse to believe
then you're doing better than a large proportion of the retards who will take anything said about the UK as gospel truth regardless of how idiotically false it is.
Entirely plausible, this is the UK we're talking about
It's a counterweight for the suppressor, duh.
>criminal carries a gun in the united states
>"ayo i aint doin nuffin, dis my civil rite"
>criminal carries a gun in the united kingdom
>bobbies carry him to the Yard, never to be seen again
>bobbies carry him to the Yard
Lmao, unarmed femoid + sóyboy shitskinned br*tish "police" patrols are shitting their pants when trying to apprehend one guy with a knife.
At least they put a weight on the back end to balance a gun.
Yeah things are so much better in the US where we don't have silly firearms restrictions, no crime here at all.
>crime with good gun laws
Vs
>crime with bad gun laws
Cope Nigel
Criminals:
>Just creates improvised explosive on public transport
>Or use car as a battering ram down a crowed street
FIFY. Guns are relatively useless as a indiscriminate killer.
>Be American
>Go to church
>Shot by Nazi larper
>Be American
>Go to grocery store
>Shot by Nazis larper
>Be American child
>Go to school
>Shot by mentally ill person
>Be American
>Go to concert
>Shot by mentally ill person
>Be American
>Go to city
>Shot in gangbanger cross fire
>Be American
>Survive getting shot
>Go bankrupt from medical bills
Yes, works so well here. I don't know why people are so obsessed with the idea that mentally ill crazies need guns or somehow we non-retards will magically lose ours. I can still drive a car despite licenses being a thing...
>british retard doesnt know everything on the internet is fake
It's an obvious joke story you fucking queer.
And mass shootings are super rare in america per capita, it's a literal non issue.
In 2021 103 (One hundred and three) people died in mass shootings in america, a country of 331 million people.
The math for how big of a problem this would be in your country looks like this (67/339)*103 meaning it'd be like if you lost 21 people to something (For reference you had 28 people stabbed to death that year). As for the nationwide homicide rate it's pretty much all in cities I could count on one hand.
And no, gun laws virtually always grow over time to extend to bullshit about grip angles, barrel lenghts, storage, accessories, barrel shrouds, stocks e.t.c.
Anyone telling you that they "JUST" want more background checks is lying, look at the actual bills. You support any kind of gun control you support it all because the organizations behind it want it all banned.
You are a mentally ill subhuman who lets his opinions be swayed by what is statistically irrelevant just because of news over-reporting and shilling.
This is some massive NRA cope post.
You need to post the thread about how your revolver and box of cartridges sit on a table by your front door and don't shoot anything next - that's always another good logical fallacy
Way to make it obvious youre trolling you retarded newfag. You're supposed to make it subtle you know
It was sarcasm. This is the troll post
nta but
>facts and statistics I don't agree with are cope
post nose
The facts are partial and misleading. How about we count the number of school shootings in 2022? You can make it per capita if you like - mine is still zero.
> post nose
You have to be 18 to post on this board
found one
there's nothing misleading about it. They're statistically insignificant but dramatized in the media. Anybody who can look at the numbers objectively would be more concerned with jaywalking than a school shooting
>Anybody who can look at the numbers objectively would be more concerned with jaywalking than a school shooting
That has to be the most ridiculous comparison I have ever heard, and just goes to show how completely unsustainable your intellectual position is.
It's not about people making personal risk choices and actions, no matter how misguided, it's about people (or children) going about their daily lives and suddenly being shot.
You (assuming it was you) even tried to make a comparison between the number of fatal stabbings in one country with mass shootings in the US. If you were being intellectually honest you'd have compared all homicides by whatever means, because anything else would be cherry-picking - which is, of course, at the heart of your argument.
As this is now tl;dr ask yourself this - what other country feels the need to have "active shooter" drills for it's schoolkids?
>or somehow we non-retards will magically lose ours
Get real you dumb fuck. You already had to hand in all of your centerfire semi autos, yet you fags are found all over defending your retarded laws.
>m-muh mass shootings, muh violence
I live in a Euro country where anyone who passes 18y/o without a criminal record can get a shall-issue license, buy pretty much any kind of gun they want and carry it, yet we have only about 1/3 of Britain's violent crime and a fraction of your mass shootings (there were 25 mass shootings in the UK over the past 30 years, only 2 in here and out of these, only one was committed with a legal gun.)
Interesting justification of why the UK and other countries require gun laws, which wasn't the point you thought you were making
Shut the fuck up bongaloid. American board, no gun no opinion, all of the kids have to die before I'll support gun control. End of the goddamn story, go away.
>no gun no opinion
I have guns, so I guess my opinion counts.
I'll just leave this here
>all of the kids have to die before I'll support gun control
as an example of crass stupidity
Post a gun you own then
>crass stupidity
It's called giving a shit about your rights you fucking servile. If a couple dead kids are all it takes for you to vote your rights and the rights of others away, you don't deserve anything more than to be kept in slavery and beaten constantly for your weakness. Weak, stupid slaves like you should not be shitting up the voting pool of any civilized nation.
>54% white
>Full Autos banned
>Cant cross the road legally
>Let me tell you about your rights
>54% white
Russian agitprop
>Full Autos banned
Pre-86s are still legal, post your UK-legal full auto
>Cant cross the road legally
?
>Let me tell you about your rights
Hold on, are you even one of the posts I quoted? The ones calling for gun control?
>Hold on, are you even one of the posts I quoted? The ones calling for gun control?
I don't know
You can be a responsible gun owner and still see the need for appropriate checks and controls, at least in my opinion. The key is appropriate, with data-driven legislation. That's not what we've ended up with in the UK.
As someone has pointed out elsewhere ITT, many young people in the UK seem to think it appropriate to stick knives into each other to settle trivial arguments, whereas in my youth it would more likely have been knuckles behind the bike sheds. I shudder to think what our streets would be like if guns were freely available. As it is, gangs still try to shoot each other.
The problem is that the government will never do that, they'll use it as an excuse to disarm the populace and turn the country into a police state. I mean shit, people have mentioned countries where gun control is so strict that many little non-issues carry an immediate death penalty. In Singapore's case, for example, I can see such laws being an active detriment, because if you're going to be executed for firing a gun you may as well just keep shooting at anyone who comes to apprehend you and die on your feet. Yet, these are the laws that lawmakers want for us.
As it is, I think the US has enough controls for the mentally unwell without intruding on the freedoms of private citizens. Freedom and safety tend to run counter to one another, and if I have to pick one I pick the former for me.
>many young people in the UK seem to think it appropriate to stick knives into each other to settle trivial arguments
I'd argue that even the stabbings are just a symptom of a deeper issue. It's like how we in the US don't really have a gun problem, that's merely a symptom of the drug problem and many other deep-rooted societal ills (say, child abuse for some school shooters perhaps) that nobody gives a damn enough to fix. I see it how I see suicidal people here. Nobody gives a damn about fixing the life that's so bad this person wants to die to escape it, they just put them on mind-dulling drugs and they're another zombie working a dead-end job.
>As it is, gangs still try to shoot each other.
Call me callous but as long as nobody's caught in the crossfire, I say it's the trash taking care of itself for the most part. I'm assuming you mean criminal gangs of lowlifes or future doctors and lawyers similar to here, I admit not knowing what UK gangs are even like.
>Yet, these are the laws that lawmakers want for us.
Proof?
These are the words used to scare gun owners
Proof: Singapore, because they do have these laws. Like I already said.
It's 2023, the slippery slope isn't a fallacy anymore. We can go over everything from drag queen story hour to Russia's slippery slope with Ukraine leading up to the current war, from Russia demanding their nukes to invading Crimea to all of the pro-Russian unrest, including the Clankening, to right fucking now. It is no longer a fallacy when it keeps fucking happening.
>it's quicker, cheaper and more efficient to take everyone's guns off them
>Politics is "the art of the possible"
Then try it you fat fucking 4chantard, leave your mommy's basement and try to take my gun from my hands before getting shot the fuck up, then tell me how possible you think it is to do that 330 million more times. I bet it would be far fucking more possible to put a little more funding into border security to stop the flow of opioids into the country than to start a civil war.
You don't care about what's possible, you just want to take people's guns. You are a grabber, you are my enemy, suffer and die like the vatnik pig you are. I will not negotiate with your evil.
>Proof: Singapore, because they do have these laws. Like I already said.
No, that's a non sequitur and a slippery slope, not proof. Just because Singapore enacted certain laws doesn't mean other countries will follow. For example, in the UK we have abolished capital punishment, so we couldn't go that route.
>It's 2023, the slippery slope isn't a fallacy anymore.
It doesn't look as though you understand the fallacy. Its exactly *because* you can point to Russia or drag queens that it is a slippery slope fallacy.
>Then try it you fat fucking 4chantard, leave your mommy's basement and try to take my gun from my hands before getting shot the fuck up, then tell me how possible you think it is to do that 330 million more times.
*sigh* An internet tough guy using ad hominem. Why am I not surprised? You sound very young and inexperienced.
>You don't care about what's possible, you just want to take people's guns.
I see you can't follow arguments either. I am a UK gun owner - where did I say that I wanted to take anyone's guns? Rants like yours do a great disservice to sensible gun ownership
Nice example of the "slippery slope" fallacy. I also think I see a "false cause in there", plus an "appeal to emotion"
I'd also argue it's quicker, cheaper and more efficient to take everyone's guns off them rather than try to fix all of society's ills in order to stop them shooting each other. Politics is "the art of the possible".
Slippery slope is an informal fallacy that fails to show, through deduction that on event will lead to another. If you have past evidence of an occurring trend, it is still acceptable to assert, through induction, that the trend will continue. Many fields of scientific research could not function if inductive predictions were considered inadmissible.
True, for people who can think logically. For a Fudd on this board I'd stick with the fallacy
>I admit not knowing what UK gangs are even like.
Little bit of territorial between different housing estates/postcode areas (often referred to by roadmen as "ends") and drug related. A big problem with gang violence in bongland at the moment is these inner city gangs setting up franchise operations in small towns using kids to smuggle drugs into the commuter belt via rail. Bringing with them the sort of violence and turf wars that come with them. Bong police have had something like 35% real term cuts to their budgets since 2010 and a reduction in the number of officers by something like 20,000 nationally so lack the resources to deal with it effectively, especially in the smaller towns.
>Post a gun you own then
Three shotguns, one rifle. Used to have more rifles and pistols before Dunblane.
Post pictures to satisfy you? No. I read the rest of your post - you're an idiot. You post as though UK gun owners said to their politicians "Please come take our guns off us - -think of the children".
Do we like it? No. Did we fight to preserve ownership? Yes. Do we fight to prevent further restrictions? Yes. Do the bulk of the voting UK population care? No.
Nazi larpers are inherently mentally ill, why you make a distinction? Also, I'm about to blow you mind, but:
>lived in a big American city for 20 years
>been everywhere in the city, all times of day
>done stupid shit
>haven't got caught in gangbanger crossfire once in 20 years
>no shooting of any kind actually
>Troubles and Dunblane
Both of those and Hungerford
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungerford_massacre
Go away schizo
>Hungerford
Glow even harder than Dunblane
>Type 56 bought from the only importer in the UK; a man who was later arrested for selling missiles to Azerbaijan
>No clear motive
> A number of factors hampered the police response:
>The telephone exchange could not handle the number of 999 calls made by witnesses.
>The Thames Valley firearms squad were training 40 miles (64 km) away.
>The police helicopter was in for repair, though it was eventually deployed.
>Only two phone lines were in operation at the local police station, which was undergoing renovation
That just sounds like typical British efficiency.
>nothings going to happen here what are you so worried bout
If you're trying to imply that Hungerford was an inside job, then I fear for your sanity and would also invite you to go fuck yourself with a cactus
>*inside job = false flag
Sorry, incorrect lingo
so whats the logic for picrel
Probably a man in a van fly tipping commercial waste, caught for it and he goes to the medal saying it was for the crisp packets in his car.
so what about needing a licence to watch tv
You don't need a license to watch TV, you need a TV license to watch live broadcast media made by the BBC. I had my TV hooked up to my computer and streamed everything, had a letter saying you don't have a TV license and I said I didn't need one. Had a guy come round a month later and told him I didn't need one and he sold 'okay' and left. They have zero entry or enforcement rights. That was nearly a decade ago and not had anything since.
>You don't need a license to watch TV, you need a TV license to watch live
comedic
You don't even need to do that, like many government departments in bongland they are severely understaffed and try to scare old boomers into paying it with increasingly laughable levels, here's how it goes:
>plain letter saying a liocense is required
>plain letter saying you still don't have one and need to buy one to avoid an investigation
>angry letter saying investigation opened
>ANGRY RED letter saying investigation opened and you may be committing a crime
>ANGRY RED letter saying we're coming to check
>ANGRY RED letter saying we are coming and you won't know when
>ANGRY RED letter saying we are coming this specific day so you better be there
(they won't show up)
>SEVERAL MORE ANGRY RED letters saying to pay up now, or else, we're coming to your house, etc.
Then rather curiously it seems to hit some sort of buffer overflow because the next letter you get is
>plain letter saying a liocense is required
And then the cycle repeats. I went through about 3 cycles in the last place I lived. I never responded to any of them and nobody ever showed up. It's just a (very shitty) intimidation tactic that only works on easily frightened boomers. I don't even watch TV anyway so I don't give a fuck.
Other fun facts about the loicense that will raise a laugh for burgers:
>a liocense for a black and white TV costs half
>if you're blind, the loicense is half too (you pay for audio lmao)
>it's perfectly legal to watch shit like iplayer on a phone or laptop so long as it's not plugged in. The moment you connect it to a charger, loicense required.
Anyway big Ben just did 12 bong so now it's time for fish and chips assuming I don't get stabbed by some roadman on the way (forgot to renew my don't-get-stabbed loicense so I'm a little worried)
basically these retards drive into the countryside and dump it on farms or in national parks.
most guns criminals use fall into 2 categories
>cheap redrilled/reactivated replicas
old firearms they recativate. theres naybe a 50/50 it explodes on your first shot and you lose your wanking hand
or
>smuggled legit firearms
most come from Belgium or Netherlands and are smuggled onto beaches at night. real deal but cost a lot more to acquire.
>New Zealand
more sheep than people and maoris are allowed to crime each other as much as they want and none of it gets reported
>Iceland
like 400k people so its a very closed knit place
because of dunblane
i do think it's absolutely hysterical that in america you are NOT ALLOWED to put a stock on a revolver under any circumstances but the ONLY WAY you are allowed to have a revolver in the UK is if you put a stock on it
i know gun control is retarded but this is just something else
> you are not allowed to put a stock on a revolver under any circumstances
Not true, the circumstance is you pay $200 and then you can put a stock on a revolvet jusy fine. In most states, at least.
My favorite thing is that suppressors are a 6+ month waiting period to own legally and are NFA items, meanwhile in Britain and some euro countries you can buy them off the shelf without any hassle
Because the idiots behind that law's only experience with suppressors is from seeing them in movies.
Not only are they a no hassle buy but in some places/ instances they are REQUIRED for noise pollution reasons in euroland. Lol, lmao even.
I mean, Europe is very dense, so it makes sense to stop noise NIMBYs.
And the us doesn’t require licenses and a lot of states you can carry open or concealed with out a permit and own handguns and semi auto rifles
In the UK a suppressor needs to be listed on the FAC.
They are even encouraged by the police to stop calls from people who've never heard firearms before. Legit
>the UK spec Chiappa rhino knows where it is
>because it know where it is not
>carrying in the UK
For what purpose? There's like 1 law defending you and 17 laws defending the criminal. Oh you want to do 20 years in prison for shooting someone in self defense?
Be my guest, enjoy daily rapes from muslim gangs I'd rather just run away from any confrontation
I'd rather move from the UK to freer lands
british gun laws are insane in their convoluted nonsense.
dont look for logic
They made sense due to the troubles, but they have been worked around over time just like pitbull owners and XL pitbills despite the pitbull ban.
I don't get how most conspiritards will look up at the sky if the government says it's blue but will trust what Johnny Moscow of xinjang no matter what stupid shit he'd say
Terminal contrarianism and binarism. If there is only "us" and "them" than anyone who opposes "them" must necessarily be us!
They are not deep thinkers anon.
honestly bongs should be rangebanned, alongside poos and other nogunz gay countries
I think they’re public safety aids to prevent Snaggletoof psychopaths from shooting wee Scottish schoolchildren.
What isn’t understood outside of the UK is that shooting wee Scottish schoolchildren prevents them from growing up into loutish Scottish adults living, (if it can be called that), in Scotland
Thus, shooting the li’l buggers is actually a MERCY for them.
tbf, they're neat to have around but do look a little goofy.
They're designed to work around the laws, as handguns are banned these fit the overall length criteria for being a rifle, allowing them to be sold and held on a rifle license. Regular length handguns unless black-powder are completely banned otherwise.
from recounts I've heard online they're not too awkward to shoot, at least the Rhino variant isn't anyway.
but yeah shooting in the UK is dreadful
>Regular length handguns unless black-powder are completely banned otherwise.
Actually, they're not. But you'd struggle to get one added to your FAC except in very particular circumstances.
In the same way that many people also post that lock knives are banned - they're not, but you need good reason to carry one
They don't have to be black powder, Westlake make ones that use nitro powder, but you still have to load it like a muzzle loader.
It's another quirk of the law, Westlake has to buy unassembled partly completely revolvers, then machine the cylinder themselves to make it legal. If the revolver had ever had a cartridge firing cylinder fitted to it then its section 5 forever and you can't have it, but since Westlake buys the parts and finishes them they are section 1 not section 5.
I would ay we need all our gun laws scrappjng and remaking to get rid of all the stupid little bits like this, but you know the end result would just be them banning more shit for no reason like with the lever release and MaRS actions.
You can have a normal revolver, like a .38 S&W firing metallic cartridges, on your FAC. No need for the convoluted Westlake work-around. But you need a good reason.
And what constitutes "A good reason" in bongland?
There's a couple that |I'm aware of. Humane despatch of large game (but you'd probably need to be a registered stalker) or self-defence in NI
>um ackualy
So for 99% of people they unobtainable. Even the humane dispatch ones have most of the chambers blocked >North Ireland, Channel Islands and Isle of man
All have different gun laws yes, bit a combined population less than most cities.
Why do they mandate bubbaing?
I’ve seen so many deactivated (welded, plugged and destroyed) collectible antiques
They want to destroy history
Numerous reasons
Sometimes the guy doing the bubbling thinks they have to by law when if they actually read up on it they wouldn't need to, but they just assume.
For antiqued and collectibles, people do it so there's no question of it being legally a firearm or not. If it's a working firearm it can't be displayed in someone's living room for example, it's got to be locked away. Obsolete firearms don't need to have this done to them and don't require a license, but again, people go with 'better sage than sorry' and fudds rule British shooting, so you get people doing work on old guns that don't even need it doing to them. And recently, deactivated guns need a certificate with them that says who did the work and what was done, but I don't think it applies to stuff that was already deactivated before the new law.
>um ackualy
Yes, but we can buy Kinder eggs and unpasteurised cheese, so there is that. Plus Absinthe
>Even the humane dispatch ones have most of the chambers blocked
reminds me
it seems so weird that brits try and justify their weapons law when you're literally only allowed to carry a weapon where your concept of 'self defense' is against enemies of the state
if you're only allowed to use a gun in a place where the citizens openly perform acts of terrorism against an oppressive government that literally every alcohol-consuming nation in the world understands due to the 'irish car bomb' meme - it just seems very weird to point to your govnerment genociding the irish and going 'yeah it's for self defense'
>it seems so weird that brits try and justify their weapons law
No we don't. We just have to live with what we've got
>when you're literally only allowed to carry a weapon where your concept of 'self defense' is against enemies of the state
No. Our concept of "self defence" is enshrined in the mantra "reasonable force". The enemies of the state is what we pay the army, police, etc to deal with
The Irish car bomb meme is just that - acts of terrorism. Did being armed prevent 9/11 in the US? The UK government was not genociding the Irish - the Irish were doing that to themselves, then one side decided to start killing innocent British citizens on the mainland. The British government was protecting its citizens, who happened to live in NI
explaining is justifying. none of it makes sense so why are you helping out the people you don't agree with by giving their retarded arguments more mindshare?
also the average american you talk to in person will just say that the government did 9/11. we all know it happened, it's just this facade that gets projected by propaganda and the news media. so it's just bizarre that brits completely take those arguments at face value instead of realizing it's propaganda
>explaining is justifying. none of it makes sense so why are you helping out the people you don't agree with by giving their retarded arguments more mindshare?
>explaining is justifying
ESL? Or just slightly dim? I can explain to you the happenings of Waco, or how The Wests raped and murdered children or the Pol Pot and Khmer Rouge killings without justifying any of it, you idiot.
Plus not talking about it doesn't make them go away, nor stop more being fermented in the febrile minds of politicians searching for a vote
>muh waco
Yeah uuuuhhhhh kinda crazy they started a standoff with the same weaponry they were accused of illegally harbouring
Hello, FAT agent. Enjoying your fried chicken and donut sandwich you lardass?
I really wish I hadn't chosen that as an example now.
Like
Says, I'm not justifying anything, just explaining how they are. No one who actually enjoys shooting likes our gun laws, but they aren't going to get any better so we just make do. A large portion of UK shooters wouldn't give a fuck if you banned everything outside of double barrel shotguns, most of the money and influence is in game bird shooting done by people who get their guns out once a year for the social aspects.
If they’re legally rifles why not use stocks instead of prostate ticklers
I think it's contrarianism. Rather than have a decent rifle, they have a fucked-up rifle pretending it's a pistol so they can show it to their mates to prove how edgy they are.
Meanwhile, everyone else shoots rifles and shotguns in the field and on ranges
test
Kindly fuck off.
p.s.
I have been discussing British weapons
Not everything that mentions Russia or Russia's agitprop attempts is about Ukraine, fag.
Seems to me like you're the actual obsessed one, rusmoron.
talk. about. guns.
Imagine being so cucked that this is contraband in your country
Hope your government and institutions never spread to us
>endlessly lobby for harsher gun laws in the EU
>the firearms directive of 2017 is their doing to a considerable degree
>refuse to elaborate
>leave the EU in 2020
Fuck the Anglo.
>50k hunting rifle collection
Can't have been that many.
how many do you really need?
a 20 and 12 ga shotgun are suitable for all of Britain's game birds and a 308 will take stags or boars. Maybe add in a large magnum for exotic game trips to Africa and a light weight hunting rifle for expedition type trips where the fancy engraved rifle a prince probably uses for English style social hunts would be out of place. That's 5 guns, so 10k per gun. Seems about right for a prince's tastes.
I mean, A single Holland & Holland can cost $20k so it could just be 2-3 guns for all we know
https://gordyandsons.com/brands/holland-holland/?
that wouldn't cover a third of some of the guns holland and holland sells
This shotgun is so gorgeous wow https://gordyandsons.com/h-h-royal-deluxe-12ga-o-u-game-scene46176/
Too bad there’s no pump or lever action. It’s a Victorian invention so would be accurate.
And too bad all working webley have been destroyed.
You used to make some of the best guns in history but now have nothing
>You used to make some of the best guns in history but now have nothing
You do realise that H&H, Rigby, Purdey and Greener are still making guns? - if your pockets are deep enough; I'm talking Mariana Trench deep.
>no names
Some shit copycat of antique shotguns with a mandatory safety added here or there does not make a legend. At best it’s uberti without the revolvers
> Mariana Trench deep.
Only no guns country would buy
You could buy a collection of antique Winchesters if you like old here. Why would I pay the same for one artisanal shotgun that’s not superior to its 1800s counterparts. There’s a reason they’re obscure podunk gun smiths
Get rid of the denial and you’ll see there are very few successful weapons you’ve made since the ban. Even your enfield assault rifle was a big flop. Bans killed your industry. You have no colts, no SW, no HK, no FN or beretta, just a couple of fuds who are obscure for good reason who survived your mass extinction
>Some shit copycat of antique shotguns with a mandatory safety added here or there does not make a legend.
You're an idiot - they are the legends.
Who are Accuracy International?
You have very strong opinions on a subject you have little knowledge of. Which "ban" are you referring to? Or is this a troll post?
At the risk of being off topic, but relevant to your post.:
USMC
M9 - Beretta - Italian
M007 - Glock - Austrian
M8 - SIG Sauer- Swiss/German
M27 - Heckler & Koch - German
US Army
M9 - Beretta
M11 - SIG Sauer
M17 - SIG Sauer
M18 - SIG Sauer
XM7 - SIG Sauer
FBI - Glock
US Marshals - Glock
Does the US still design and make guns?
>https://gordyandsons.com/h-h-royal-deluxe-12ga-o-u-game-scene46176/
>"Frequently purchased together"
>Another 100k gun
Lol
>Prince sells one H&H rifle to please wife’s autism
>weird firearm laws
Oh damn, don't let this thread die, I really enjoy researching different countries and their firearm laws. Still got something to do but if the thread is still alive I'll post some weird laws
What do you want to know
Ok so there seem to be quite a few different ways of regulating firearms. The biggest threat to gun ownership seems to be bureaucracy rather than politicans.
Look at the US, one of the freest countries in regards to Gun Rights. You can't buy a full Auto gun made after 1986, there are all kind of weird laws thanks to the ATF (brace, "pistols") and the US is very protectionist in regards to imports and exports (ITAR).
I see Americans claiming their gun laws are great. Honestly I think they are cucked, it's just that most other countries are cucked even more
Switzerland is another free countries. You can own pretty much everything and Full Autos (even new production ones) are cheap and easily available. They can't conceal carry though.
Another interesting point is that Hollow Point ammo is illegal and Airguns are considered Firearms at the same level as any real gun
Austria has very lax gun laws too. However Pump Action Shotguns are illegal. Semi Autos are fine though
Germany has gone full retard in regards to magazines. There is a 10 round limit for long guns and a 20 round limit for handguns. If you own a Glock you can buy as many 20 round mags as you want. Even if you don't own any guns you can own as many 20 round mags as you want. But here is the kicker: If you own a long gun that takes Glock mags the 20 round mag becomes highly illegal. Someone not owning any guns can own it, but someone owning a gun license can not.
Everyone shits on the UK but for good reason. Pic related. Still, there are some aspects they have better laws than even the freest countries. Getting a suppressor is super easy. Many European countries are like that. No waiting period or ATF fee needed. I ordered a supressor straight to my home address and it was here in 2 days.
A popular method of controlling guns is forbidding "military and police calibers". I don't need to tell you how retarted that is, but it's still common. Many South American countries have laws like this and Italy did too, until very recently. You can tell me how restricting 9x19 but allowing 9x21 is supposed to make sense.
Some countries limit the barrel length, but it seems that most places don't give a fuck. If you can own an AR it doesn't matter if its barrel is 2 or 18 inches long.
Some countries like South Africa make it much more easy to get a handgun compared to a rifle because of safety reasons. Other countries like Japan make it much easier to get a rifle than a handgun because of safety reasons.
Speaking of Japan, many people think you can't own any guns there but that's not true. You can get a shotgun quite easily. After owning a shotgun for 10 years you can get rifles too. Russia has a similar system in which you need to own shotguns for a few years before you get to own any rifles. One way they get arround this is to have a barrel that is partly rifled so it's legally a shotgun but practically a rifle.
The worst gun laws exist in places like China (Airsoft Guns are illegal and owning them harshly punished) and Singapore (owning a gun -> death penalty)
South Korea is also a place that's exremly bad. You can "own" guns but you need to store them at the police after every range day.
Anyway, it's very clear to me that most of, if not all of the laws, suck dick. The goal of the government is not to create laws that increase safety. Most of these laws have no safety benefit whatsoever. It's to make owning guns such a pain in the ass and bureaucratic nightmare that no one wants to go through with it.
The best way to combat that is to get a gun regardless. I don't care if you are from Switzerland or the UK. You should do what it takes to own guns, wheter it's a Full Auto Rifle or a double barrel shotgun.
>Japan
I've found Japanese gun owners with some interesting (for them) rifles while researching online.
Guys with AKs, Mini-14s, M14s, M1 Garands, M1 carbines, all sorts of stuff. I never thought that they could own semi-auto rifles like that over there.
>Mini-14s
Correction, Mini-30s, 5.56 is banned.
That’s banned cause all semi autos are banned
Nah, every semi auto except for .22 is banned
>Guys with AKs, Mini-14s, M14s, M1 Garands, M1 carbines, all sorts of stuff. I never thought that they
Probably converted to not be semi auto or they hunting in another country that allows those guns/ maybe have gotten some weird dual citizenship to those places
Can you own semi Autos in Japan or no? I've seen SA shotguns in Japanese gun stores but no semi auto rifles
Go look up the laws
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From what I've seen, they're not banned, and a decent few people have them.
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It makes me so happy to see these. I don't speak japanese, but in the very last one you posted it looked and sounded like everyone was vibing. It must be pretty comfy to be a part of that community there (horrible laws aside, of course)
Agreed. I follow some Japanese gun owners on social media and it seems like they all know each other. I hope the sport doesn't die out, not a lot of young people involved in the scene.
I checked the comments section of this video
There's a Japanese gun owner there who says you can in fact own a pistol in japan, but they only allow a certain number of active licenses at any given time, and it has to be for sport shooting. I'm the guy from
who's really interested in handguns in different countries, so this naturally piqued my interest.
Can you recommend some Japanese gun channels on youtube? I don't want to call them guntubers because that just seems wrong lol
Can you at least explain the circumstance or what weird law that allows them to own
Such rifles because usually when people are exempt from these laws it’s either because they are collectors, gun dealers ,ex police, owner of a gun club and maybe a professional hunter
>only shotguns and rifles
>high barrier to entry to own & shoot guns relative to USA
>looser hunting restrictions than USA
>bag limit 1 buck... per DAY.
holy fuck, Japan is fudd paradise and we had no idea
https://yarchive.net/gun/politics/japan_gun.html
This old write-up about their gun laws might have a bit more info on the pistol situation.
I don't know how many gun channels exist that would be similar to something you'd see in America, they don't really make it their whole personality over there. Most of the stuff I've seen is deer/boar hunting videos, I had to dig for those other videos.
https://www.youtube.com/@Yu-ei4tm
https://www.youtube.com/@ryouken
These are two hunting channels that I watch sometimes.
>I don't know how many gun channels exist that would be similar to something you'd see in America, they don't really make it their whole personality over there.
Yeah, this is what I was getting at. That's why I didn't want to call them guntubers. Thanks for the info
If you’re wondering about handgun laws in Sweden you can get them on a sport licence.
It requires you to first shoot for a year, shoot really well, and actively compete.
Gotta go to a certain number of competitions too and re-register ever 3 years.
Except they didn’t. They were licenced firearms dealers (held an FFL and everything). They could literally have manufactured brand new machineguns legally if they wanted to.
What they were illegally accused of doing was re-activating grenade hulls somehow. The only basis for that accusation was that a delivery-person saw an empty grenade hull and freaked out. In reality the reason they got them is because they had been selling them (along with guns) legally as trinkets at gun-shows for years.
Why are you so confidently wrong just to suck off the government?
Oh, and I forgot to mention they never did find any evidence of them “reactivating grenades”.
The BDs acted in self defence. Trying to slander them as a group or whatever, claiming they were pedos (which has been disproven) or other attempts to change the subject will follow.
Either that or the retard choosing to ignore this post
>One way they get arround this is to have a barrel that is partly rifled so it's legally a shotgun but practically a rifle.
Didn't they plug this particular loophole after the latest shotgun chimpout? No matter that the actual gun was a regular non paradox rifled shotgun
> You can get a shotgun quite easily
You have a strange definition of "easy" if you think you can get a shotgun with ease in Japan. You can't even touch a gun until you've completed a safety course, the authorities will interview your neighbors and coworkers during the application process, the number of available licenses is fixed, and when you buy ammo they count the number of rounds and require you to return every shell you were issued.
I've read an account of someone doing all of that in 2 or 3 months. Passing a safety course isn't difficult imo. I didn't knew the amount of licenses was fixed, that sucks.
>one account
>still took 2-3 months
This is still not "easy" and is still missing the parts where the police will have to inspect your home and safe (that you must store your weapons in at all times when not in use) and reserve the right after issuing to perform random inspections of your home to ensure you're following the letter of the law.
Anon "easy" is realative. Random inspections are common in European countries. People tend to think that no one in Japan can own guns, when in reality everyone who wants to can. The actual amount of effort is still fairly low, it's mostly waiting for the government to process your application.
>People tend to think that no one in Japan can own guns, when in reality everyone who wants to can. The actual amount of effort is still fairly low, it's mostly waiting for the government to process your application.
Why do weebs get so defensive whenever someone points out a flaw that Japan has
What weebs? People tend to have no idea how gun laws in other countries work but are highly opinated about it. I've been told I can't own guns in Europe but I can own AR15s
Probably because most Euros on here purposedully obfuscate their country and it's laws to avoid criticism and mocking. Yes, lots of places in Europe allow you to own semi auto rifles. No, a .22lr semi auto shaped like an AR15 is not the same thing.
lmao, everytime you see a thread starting with
>I'm a European and...
You know it's an American. No one genuine would write like that. It makes so little sense.
>No, a .22lr semi auto shaped like an AR15 is not the same thing.
>a lot of places
I think every country in Europe allows you to own AR15 in a caliber like .223 except Romania and the UK
You can own a .223 Ar15 in the UK, it just can't be semi automatic.
My bad I meant Semi Auto of course.
>You can own a .223 Ar15 in the UK, it just can't be semi automatic.
Not seen many bolt-action AR-15s in any calibre.
They are just AR15s without any gas ports, you have to pull the charging handle after every shot.
Never heard that about it being plugged in, sounds made up.
>They are just AR15s without any gas ports, you have to pull the charging handle after every shot.
Thanks - didn't know about that although now you explain it, it seems reasonable.
Can't see the point though, with the worse ergonomics, unless you want to LARP as an Operator. Mind you, if I shared how much my shotguns cost you'd probably think I was LARPing as landed gentry, so each to their own.
The AR is very modular and well priced even in bongland so it's still quite popular here. Most people will shoot it at ranges at paper targets so it being straight pull isn't much of an issue.
People who do practical rifle shooting usually .22 versions which can be semi auto.
so it's not actually an AR-15 then
>I'm a contarian retard
Taking the gas parts out doesn't magically turn it into something else.
>Singapore (owning a gun -> death penalty)
Actually you can "own" a few select guns after going through the difficult process of getting a license. Meaning they're legally yours but you have to store them at a government-sanctioned shooting club at all times.
Unlawful discharging a gun (meaning anywhere outside aforementioned shooting club) carries a mandatory death sentence. Even if you just fired into the air without harm to anyone.
Asia has some of the harshest gun laws on the planet.
Funny how even though Singapore has extremely draconian laws/punishments, Singapore is ONLY the 9th safest country in the world, with Iceland and New Zealand being 1st and 2nd safest countries in the world .
>Austria has very lax gun laws too. However Pump Action Shotguns are illegal. Semi Autos are fine though
The reason for this is even funnier than the law itself. In the 80s we had a successful bank robber who would rob banks wearing a Ronald Reagan mask and carrying a Pump Action Shotgun (thus earning the nickname of Pumpgun-Ronnie). His success disgraced the Interior Minister and he gave a ridiculous speech claiming this mans crime spree was only possible because of the terrifying gun he was carrying and from then on new acquisition of Pump Action Shotguns was banned here.
t. Austrian
And I thought I was the only one interested in every country's gun laws.
>Some countries like South Africa make it much more easy to get a handgun compared to a rifle because of safety reasons. Other countries like Japan make it much easier to get a rifle than a handgun because of safety reasons.
In fact, handguns are statutorily banned in Japan. Like the UK, but worse because there don't appear to be any allowances for muzzleloaders. It's interesting to me that handguns are treated wildly differently depending on which country you're in. To me, the handgun represents the most basic implement of self defense and sport shooting, so I am always interested to see the attitudes of different places towards handguns in particular.
The US is sort of a microcosm of this, since we have states like New York that outright ban possession of a handgun (even holding one in a store or renting one at a range is illegal) without a permit that takes a long time to acquire. A less obvious example of this is the National Firearms Act of 1934, whose principal purpose was to implement a prohibitive tax, registry, and other infringements on handgun ownership. Most Americans don't know this though, because by the time the law was passed it had been changed to regulate SBRs, SBSs, AoWs (in an effort to address all workarounds to a handgun ban) but not handguns.
>The best way to combat that is to get a gun regardless. I don't care if you are from Switzerland or the UK. You should do what it takes to own guns, wheter it's a Full Auto Rifle or a double barrel shotgun.
Amen, brother.
>states like New York that outright ban possession of a handgun (even holding one in a store or renting one at a range is illegal)
Officially worse than SK or Vietnam, what the fuck
Well not worse, you can still get a permit in New York. I’m just pointing out how different it is from all the other states
You can get a permit in Vietnam too if you work security and are a trusted Party member
>To me, the handgun represents the most basic implement of self defense and sport shooting.
That's because this is a very modern convention and view of what a handgun is. Historically, concealed weapons; whether knives, daggers or handguns were seen as weapons that only those engaged in skullduggery and thuggish behavior used. It was only until recently that being openly armed was considered impolite; and even then the perspective is a little... different from the past.
Japan for example is pretty strict on handguns; because their culture is more or less ingrained in that shogunate samurai way of "Only the state should have weapons, and we'll disarm everyone below a certain class because we just got out of Sengoku Jidai and don't want any peasants getting uppity".
100% of the time, banning reasonable implements of public self defense such as handguns is purely a move for the government to flex it's power on the masses and nothing else.
>A less obvious example of this is the National Firearms Act of 1934, whose principal purpose was to implement a prohibitive tax, registry, and other infringements on handgun ownership. Most Americans don't know this though, because by the time the law was passed it had been changed to regulate SBRs, SBSs, AoWs (in an effort to address all workarounds to a handgun ban) but not handguns.
From what I understand, the whole SBR tax stamp thing was forgotten about after rethinking the whole making handguns NFA items thing where they revised the 1934 NFA to remove the restrictions on handguns. And here we are nearly 100 years later and a law that was made to close a potential loophole for a law that never existed is still on the fucking books.
There are no specific restrictions for handguns in Brazil
Getting a license is a pain in the ass and military callibers are banned (again); but handguns and long guns are equally difficult to get
The former are pretty common since they are cheap; plus most gun owners want to defend themselves or to shoot targets
Hunting is not very popular; it is illegal outside of areas with invasive boars anyway
Semiautomatic rifles are restricted but there is no restriction on specific features for those (Although apparently there are restrictions on modifying firearms and buying attachments).
We could go even deeper, try New England
>Massachusetts
There are licenses, one for manual action long guns with fixed magazines, one for concealed carry, semi automatics, removable magazines, prebans, all handguns, and one for machine guns. No out of state licenses are recognized. Has an "updated" 1994 AWB along with a handgun roster and 10 round magazine limit except for prebans.
>Rhode Island
No AWB or roster bit a magazine ban with no prebans. Has a ccl
>Connecticut
Same as Massachusetts but with no prebans
>Vermont
No licenses, OG Constitutional carry, but they have a magazine limit woth no prebans
>New Hampshire and Maine
Basically no laws, just shy of being 2nd amendment sanctuaries
This isn't a firearm law and is restricted only to my state rather than the whole country, but there's some weird old law I found here regarding knives.
So there's a law against conceal-carrying a "bowie knife" which mostly means any single-edged, fixed blade knife. However, double-edged blades don't seem to be prohibited by this same statute, so while trying to carry around a machete or saber would get you into trouble, carrying an arming sword or claymore wouldn't. Folding knives, balisongs, switchblades, and every other kind of knife is also legal, the law seems to only hate the public carrying of nebulous "bowie knives", and nothing else.
That all seems to go out the window if you have a standard CCW permit though, if you can CC a pistol then you can carry anything you want so long as it's legal in the US. My state, however, overturned the need for permits over a year ago and we now have Constitutional Carry, so I have no idea what the legal status of this blade law even is anymore given that anyone can CC now. Doesn't really affect me because I can carry a gun and folding blade just fine.
Sweden here.
For decades we’ve had 2 governmental agencies handling firearm laws.
>the police
Responsible for actually approving licenses based on the laws
>The naturecareministry
Make firearm laws relating to hunting
The way things used to work you had sport shooters and hunters. The sport shooters’ licenses were left to the mercy of the the police but by law you had to be able to get weapons that fit your type of sport shooting.
So tactical shooters could get ARs and SBR here for years.
The naturecareministry gave the police guidelines for what rifles they SHALL approve but for many years they would always decline any military looking rifle for a hunting licence with a very shitty interpretation of the law.
Last year the naturecareministry got enough complaints that they basically told the police to fuck off and enforce only the laws that the ministry actually write and handed them a new set of guidlines.
So they basically forced the police to follow the guidelines completely.
The guidelines in question now basically boil down to you being able to own any semi automatic rifle as long as the barrel is 18 inches or more and overall length is longer than 60cm. You can have a folding stock as long as the overall length folded doesn’t go below 60cm. ARs have absolutely flooded the market here and hundreds of licences are issued a month for them. They also completely deregulated supressors last year and roughly a month ago made it legal to make your own. Pistols are still fucked though.
Now you can go a weekend course where you basically just take some safety tests and do a theory hunting test and you can get an AR15 if you got a proper safe. Leftists are absolutely seething
Here in argentina we went from
>you can buy certain kinds of guns with no license or prior paperwork, and everything else (besides MGs, explosives and artillery) just requires a permit issued by the local police force, which is relatively easy to get.
to
>want a gun? ANY gun? send your license application to the ANMaC (Argentina's ATF), which requires a prior background check, proof of income, psych test, and a basic training course, so in the end, we can just lose all of your paperwork, so you'll have to start again from zero.
All legal firearms are treated the same way. It takes the same amount of effort to buy a single shot .22LR carbine, than a glock or a PCC.
Also, forget about ARs. Semi auto rifles, apart from .22's and PCC's are "banned" (unless you know the right people, so they can issue a specific exception for your case)
And, of course, as you might expect, narco gangs couldn't give less of a fuck about all of this nonsense. After all, the same politicians approving these laws, also earn their fair share from drug business.
It's for stabbing people, we just enjoy stabbing people.
handfuns are basically completely banned
One of the biggest problem with trying to get into shooting in the UK is that one of the main routes to get a FAC is to join a local rifle club. Normally, this wouldn't be a problem but these things are ruled by the fuddest boomers you can imagine, and they DO NOT want anyone to encroach in their fiefdom. Most places declare on their 2000s era website that "new membership suspended until further notice" which means forever. Getting a SC is a piece of raw piss though, which allows you to own some interesting funs such as .410 conversions of the SMLE.
I am seriously considering a SGL just to own a Auto-5.
Well it'll have to be an Auto-5 with a mag crimped to 2 rounds.
Beggars can't be choosers.
As long as you realise. I personally think there are better semi's that an Auto-5 with its long recoil action
>which allows you to own some interesting funs such as .410 conversions of the SMLE.
>designed for pajeet police so the colonials don't get uppity
>tfw you are the colonial subject now
>designed for pajeet police so the colonials don't get uppity
No. That was one use, but they were also used by Brits and Aussies as cheap sporting guns
I think that depends on where you live. And maybe how old you are.
Not excusing tomfuddery, but you have to realise that if a club gives you a try-out, then accepts you as a member, then sponsors your FAC and you commit an offence down the line, there will be questions asked of the club and its committee as to the how and why they agreed to sponsor you.
>.410 Enfield
Love mine, got a 12g Mossberg bolt action as well, fudds actually Love them.
India did use converted Ishapores as police and prison guns, but most of the ones you'll find in the UK are British built and later converted after ww2 to shift some surplus stock into the civilian market but for people who didn't want rifles.
I am Nigel Longbottom of London oblast and I am very angry at my government.
Do you ever get tired of spamming things like this?
Pajeets and communists lack the IQ required for boredom, they'll do anything for a couple pennies or to advance their ideological death cult, respectively.
That is a 'long barrelled pistol' OP. Under UK law it meets the criteria of a rifle, as the 'weird metal thing' coming out of the bottom of the grip is counted in the 'overall length' of the weapon, and that thing on the front isn't a suppressor - it's a 'barrel extension' so that the weapon meets the barrel length requirement to be considered a rifle (as UK law defines rifles in terms of their barrel length and overall length). The design came in when rumours that the 1997 firearms act (AKA 'The Gun Ban') was going to outlaw private ownership of pistols, so a bunch of pistol owners modified their pistols to meet the new law, think of it like the inverse of US pistol braces turning short barrelled rifles into pistols for legal purposes. It's complete horseshit, of course, but people will always find the loopholes.
It's because legally, the only handguns allowed are muzzle loaders. The random metal stick at the end makes the overall length of the weapon long enough for it to legally be a rifle, not a pistol. From wikipedia:
> British law defines a "pistol" as a firearm with a barrel shorter than 30 cm (12 in) or a total length of less than 60 cm (24 in)[19] (this definition encompasses revolvers, revolving pistols). Only muzzle-loading pistols—including muzzle-loading revolvers—are permitted; in practice all such firearms use black powder—a Class 1 explosive—as the propellant. Small quantities of muzzle-loading pistols and revolvers in various calibres, which comply with the regulations, are manufactured.[20] All other pistols are mostly prohibited in Great Britain, with some exceptions such as pistols used for the humane dispatch of injured animals (such as deer) and some historical firearms.
> This law created a new market for "long-barrelled revolvers" and "long-barrelled pistols", firearms with a permanently attached extension to the grip, making them long enough to fit under the legal definition of a rifle. Long-barrelled pistols in single-shot, or long-barrelled revolvers, both of any calibre, or semi-automatic in .22 rimfire, are all permitted with a Firearm Certificate.[21]
It's the same kind of retardation as in the US with their SBRs, over-fixating on arbitrary classifications and specific features. Anglo mindset I guess.
Well how's this for a bill that one of your lefty politicians has introduced to Parliament:
"Labour MP Luke Pollard introduced the Firearms and Hate Crime Bil in an attempt to restrict pump-action shotguns after the tragic shootings in his Plymouth constituency last year. The bill was debated as a ‘ten minute rule’ bill which strictly limits the amount of parliamentary time allotted to a proposed law.
Introducing the bill, Pollard said: “I want to rid our communities of these dangerous and unnecessary pump-action weapons that are currently held in homes throughout the country.”
The proposed bill would have restricted the storage of pump-action shotguns so that they could not be stored in the owner’s home. "
https://www.shootinguk.co.uk/news/move-to-ban-pump-action-shotguns-fails-129201/
Knee jerk reaction to a shooting that went no where, no different to gun control bills Democrat's try to pass all the time.
>explaining is justifying
What sort of retarded take is that?
You’re a retarded gay who’s probably not over the age of 18.
You don’t recognize the most obvious astroturfing ever and you’ve let your opinions be swayed by that. Weak.
Kindly google the term “astroturfing” as homework until your next post.
>bongs have to attach govt mandated butt plugs to their pistols in order to own them
You can't make this shit up. How did what was once the greatest empire in the world end up at this point?
Why are the british such thin skinned gays? I thought they were suppose to be the masters of "bants" also why do the always shill gun control on this board?
Some are but I don't really care, I'm the uy actually talking about guns and not the fag going on about school shootings
SC? FAC? or both?
SC but also 10 year reservist with completed tours. I use that to get paid to do all my rifle shooting, since benchrest target shooting at a fudd range is shit compared live fire excerises with GPMG's firing you into the live grenade throws at the end of assaults
Behind poojeets the British are, quite possibly, hands down, the worst posters on this board
>Starts a thread about weird British laws (or posts in it)
>Complains about British posters