Weaver is now and forever will be the proper shooting stance. Isosceles is the latest and greatest tactical gayry that retards use because they saw their favorite garden gnometuber tell them it was better.
>because they saw their favorite garden gnometuber tell them it was better
I've never not shot isosceles. It doesn't even look like the deathfat on the left is even controlling the gun, just cupping it.
>Weaver is now and forever will be the proper shooting stance. Isosceles is the latest and greatest tactical gayry that retards use because they saw their favorite garden gnometuber tell them it was better.
When I started shooting, picked up a pistol for the first time, I naturally went to what basically resembled an isosceles stance. Its the most natural way to do it.
>Step 1 Assume a horse stance >Step 2 Grab crotch and lean backwards. This will help stabilize you. > Step 3 Raise gun in a sideways grip and lock elbow out. >Step 4 Go to jail.
I unironically shoot better this way than any other stance. I hate it because it makes me look tryhard as fuck but it instantly cuts my groups in half and I can do it faster than Weaver or Iso. I think maybe it's because I'm a handlet and CAR lets me get my support hand in a better position or something.
Chapman, PowerPoint
Locking my elbow lets me handle recoil better than otherwise and gives stable aim
I hope everyone weaker than me doesn’t try the muscle pushpull dumbness
Twink or female?? Either way hit the gym and if you're a dude, please go do somthing outside or at the least somthing physically demanding, I can feel how soft your hands are through the screen
Not new per say I've been stuck here since 2011, I just never comment, especially on PrepHole I normally just come here to cringe out and judge, there's so much self sucking and jerking off that goes on in this board.
My arm gets tired quickly from weaver if the recoil is significant and it soon starts shaking
I get the idea that it’s only effective if you’re a big guy like it’s creator
If your shooting stance isn't almost exactly a boxer's fighting stance than you probably shoot like shit as soon as stuff like movement is a factor
You'll notice that a boxer's stance sits somewhere between the exaggerated blading of weaver and the immobile planting of isosceles. You'll also notice that even comp shooters who preach isosceles stances will often up in a stance like I'm describing as soon as they're moving around.
Damn dude that's almost word for word what my drill instructor told us on the range back in 2011, outside of that I've never put more thought into my stance other than it's comfortable and stable.
Me too, because of him I found out that even though my left hand is my strong hand I'm right eye dominant, I probably would have never put that together if it wasn't for him watching how I shot back in the day
>right eye dominant
I'm convinced that eye dominance is bullshit, if I hold a gun in front of me I can change which eye picks up the sight by angling my head a few degrees to the right or left, almost as effective as closing one eye completely.
Possibly but I actually do have slightly worse vision in my left eye than I do my right, I still shoot both ways but I do have a noticeably harder time both focusing and staying in focus with my left eye and thats just in general.
>I'm convinced that eye dominance is bullshit
I am a skeet shooting coach, you have zero idea what you are talking about and it's cute. I teach so many people who have eye dominance issues an one of the top shots in the country is right handed left eye dominant and he shoots off his left shoulder because of it.
unironically why not train primarily for one handed shooting for personal defense? having a free hand is very useful for holding other items like a flashlight that allows you to light a target without pointing a gun at them, or perform tasks like opening doors or pushing someone away.
people are generally slower and less accurate shooting one handed but at the same time most people barely train one handed shooting, with ports/comps or other forms of tuning you can get the muzzle rise near zero.
unironically why not train primarily for one handed shooting for personal defense? having a free hand is very useful for holding other items like a flashlight that allows you to light a target without pointing a gun at them, or perform tasks like opening doors or pushing someone away.
people are generally slower and less accurate shooting one handed but at the same time most people barely train one handed shooting, with ports/comps or other forms of tuning you can get the muzzle rise near zero.
It’s a very good doctrine used in two wars to good effect
It’s also better for point shooting and most older guns were made for it
One hand grip with older guns meant to one hand some how naturally makes a gun aim dead on
Which means first strike against someone with a “better” but slower handling gun
My father was taught in the military to one hand shoot handguns and he's a good shot (consistent 4inch groups at 50yds). There's some boomer magic in it.
it’s same principle as using finger to point at an object... with good hand eye coordination your point is dead on, sometimes called point or instinctive shooting iirc
Dumbass of course you’re supposed to practice it a lot before being halfway decent, not just read a book and expect to download a skill like the Matrix
>i dont have to prove im good at point shooting, all i have to do is say other people are bad at it!
try doing uspsa with point shooting.
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I'm not that anon and I don't know what uspa is but I'll do it, like no bullshit tell me what it is and I'll figure out the rest
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>USPSA, aka a magdump fest by sportshoot retards
If it's guaranteed to be faster how come the minmaxing gamer competition shooters don't do it?
Because they exist in a fucking bubble, inventing their own BS and fitting their competitions to fit it
Guess what, you don't see what they do in IRL shootouts by anyone worth a damn
But one-handed shooting has been done by actual gunfighters of note like Jelly Bryce
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>aka a magdump fest
yeah and even the mid tier people can magdump all in the A-zone. youre just butthurt theyre better than you.
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>try doing uspsa with point shooting.
Try shooting targets that shoot back. No really try some airsoft pistol "tactical" duels with friends and then come back
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>airsoft
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Anonymous
i do play airsoft and i can assure you that the person aiming is always going to hit you first. now really, try that shit in uspsa. thr only people who balk at competition shooting are dorks like you who virtue signal about how non-meta they are.
like I said though, what is the actual potential of one handed shooting if most people only spend <5% if that of their training time and effort on two handed shooting? I would guess that a high level competitor could smoke most people shooting two hands with one hand, and with technological aids like comps/ports you can heavily mitigate recoil, i.e. the thing you are primarily using two hands to control.
Two handed is no good for two way shootings. Play airsoft, watch shootings videos. Fights very othen include brawls or the sing cover and concelement. There is no time and space to walk out from cover and adopt proper isosceles stance when on the other side there is guy with pistol already drawn and pointer in your direction. Doesn't matter how good shooter is if he acts like it is IPSCA shootings range he would be shoot twice when he walks out from the cover. When cover in involved people peak a little and immediately shot from non conventional stance. And for shooting around cover one handed is much more superior. Peaking with isoleces presents much more body as target, its much more cumbersoome, at puts more strain on the body and this is no good for speed and accuracy. Prevalence of the isoleces is consequences of of the "practical" shooting with paper targets that doesn't shot back.
Because the overwhelming number of personal defense shoots don't involve any of that. You can watch on video and see how many times what you're talking about happens.
Is it really wise to assume that you will be faced with an "average" event when forced in a life or death situation though, or should you go for the 99th percentile? They don't design safety equipment for "average" cases either, they find the worse case scenario then add 3x on top of that for margin of error.
I don't think it's a good idea to assume that you won't be ambushed or forced into a close physical confrontation some other way before you can draw your gun. It's generally agreed that everyone should train one handed just in case including weak hand, but almost no one actually does it.
I train both offhand and one handed, but it's dumb to have either of those be your primary thing you train around, especially when most shooters have bad fundamentals to begin with and should use the basic advantages of two handed shooting to get to an acceptable level first. Also if you're in a close physical confrontation where the other hand is needed, a high level of accuracy is not needed to kill or disable.
>but it's dumb to have either of those be your primary thing you train around,
why? like I said earlier with various mods you can get the muzzle climb extremely low to non-existent even one handed. so what is the advantage of 2 hands?
It's definitely something you should practice a bit and make sure you can atleast hit a target while doing, but it shouldn't be a primary focus of training. You have almost exactly as much reason to practice shooting with your non-dominant hand (which you should also try).
train for both, stupid? two handed is ideal if there's nothing stopping you but theres a nonzero probability you'll have to shoot one handed so just practice with both
I’m weak but hate the hell out of it and would never teach mom or anyone weak to use it
It has no stability, it’s naturally awkward and you can’t point shoot right with it. It’s pretty much useless if you aren’t either loaded with frontal armor or aren’t a fat guy with lots of inertia
If you think Weaver is the way to go, try to get into Weaver and transition across two targets more than 90 degrees apart. You bind up your side muscles trying to do that. Now set up in Isosceles, and you can transition between targets over 180 degrees apart without moving your feet.
Try to do any kind of agility while shooting Weaver. Try to shoot in a stable way while moving in Weaver.
The only people who shoot Weaver are unironically guys who spend all their time on single lane indoor ranges, i.e. people who know less than jack shit about shooting.
It's worse, plain and simple. You can and should practice strong and weak handed shooting with a handgun (in case you get hit in the hand and need to continue firing) but two hands gives you way more control over the gun.
I can imagine it does allow for very rapid follow on shots but it seems a lot of people think the best method of using a handgun is spamming 9mm shots as quickly as you can pull the trigger until the magazine is empty.
In short current handgun meta is boring. Somebody should do something like the Colt SCAMP in 5.7mm.
It's a gunfight, not a video game. You should do what works to keep yourself alive. Generally, drawing with a solid grip, bringing the sights to your dominant eye, and firing 6 rounds to center mass as fast as you can make hits is a great way to keep yourself alive in a gunfight. Talking about a "meta" in the context of self-defense is a fucking apocalyptic level of brain rot
I think the opposite, isosceles is most popular in competition shooting, where it's just 2 shots per target 95% of the time. The opposite of magdumping.
Accurate firing as fast as possible is the best strategy for defensive shooting. Psychological incapacitation or CNS failure of the target is the goal, and due to the design limits of all mainstream handgun rounds, lots of rounds are needed to do that. Everyone whose shooting skill I respect uses isosceles or modified isosceles. Accurate follow ups are faster, and it's a more repeatable position from low ready, since everything above your abdomen is locked out. Pair that with a pistol dot, and you can learn predictive shooting for really fast, precise splits.
Weaver is technically more accurate, since less muscles are engaged, and the ones that are, are engaged more vertically, but follow ups are way slower. Wouldn't be surprised if most of the weaver bros are confined to 25yd indoor ranges where splits don't matter, and simply don't need to learn a different shooting position.
It’s faster, if coupled with point shooting it brings bullets into target much faster than iso
This is why they didn’t teach you to slowly pivot like a turret with a gun while in the trenches
If you have time to worry about your stance in a fight, you're doing something wrong and you're about to die. If your shooting stance is good, you're not using cover effectively or moving enough.
I just shoot, I couldn't tell you a propper stance if it hit me in the face, I just make shure i have a comfortable and solid grip and let it rip and that has no negative effect on my accuracy
What was the logic for teaching people to shoot like this? I mean they also had techniques for shooting two handed (usually in a crouching position) so they knew two handed shooting was more stable.
It’s slower to point shoot two handed, especially with awkward isosceles
Pistol fighting reached its zenith in the WW1 trenches so you just had to be the first to shoot a hun 25 yards away and then pivot to the next hun
Some of its derivatives like PowerPoint also let you blade dramatically which in a trench fight means cover
This method is more stable, presents a smaller target and is faster to context switch. You haven't been taught to shoot properly. It only fell out of favor because of presenting plates.
This method is more stable, presents a smaller target and is faster to context switch. You haven't been taught to shoot properly. It only fell out of favor because of presenting plates.
If you look up actual ww2 training materials (search 'Combat Firing with Handguns' on goytube) they don't seem to reference one-handed standing as a firing position. The taught positions were prone two handed, kneeling two handed, and combat shooting (point shooting).
I suspect standing aimed fire was an initial training technique more than a standard combat stance, to familiarize the shooter with Manual-of-arms, sight alignment and trigger pull etc without having to think too much about stance.
That's the most based shooting style. If you're not using cover and all that might in a firefight might as well do that.
Cover benefits one-handed shooting far more than two-handed, as
https://i.imgur.com/iGwJtnl.jpg
demonstrates.
Not to mention having a free hand is extremely useful in many situations.
Weaver was devised by retard sportshooters, it's unnatural hence why almost everyone in actual firefights reverts to isosceles.
Yet for a true gunfighter, one-handed shooting is the way to go. Far more versatile for a trained shootist.
I like the Jerry miculek "don't think, just bring it up to your eye and shoot" stance
I guess that happens to be isosceles
But there really is something nice about a stance that has little to no setup
>be me >local PD >very small department. Only 15 officers including admin >every year for 4 years straight get top shot with pistol qual >nothing serious maxing out only at 35 yards with handgun of choice (so long as it's approved manufacturer) >weaver master race >department decides to bring in some instructor who was a pistol instructor in the navy >he will not stop bugging me about my weaver stance and telling me how outdated it is despite me scoring the best and having a 8 inch grouping at 35 yards >tell him im comfortable and proficient with my stance and I'll be sticking with it. >he eventually gives up but not before telling me I could have a better grouping if I swap stances
Weaver if not wearing armor, isosceles if wearing armor. You present the plate so that's more likely to get hit rather than an uncovered area. As far as what your legs are doing, just take your most comfortable fighting stance. Schools are now teaching "tactical stance" over these boomerisms, and it's literally just whatever your fighting stance is but making sure your armor is presented if wearing it. It's to avoid confusion between fighting mode and shooting mode, and to already be in an ideal stance if you have to holster and go hands-on.
FBI Crouch devised by Jelly Bryce who won 19 shootouts including 1v2s and when his opponents got the jump.
It's adjustable for point or precision shooting, but you either can or can't do it. Most can't hence why it got phased out.
That way when the moment of confrontation arrives and they realize "Hey wait, how am I supposed to walk forward while in this retarded isosceles shooting stance?"
the weird fucked hybrid thing that you end up in from shooting revolvers and semi autos at the same time, with your feet square and one of your elbows sorta bent
For me, it's weaver
It's just comfy
Weaver is now and forever will be the proper shooting stance. Isosceles is the latest and greatest tactical gayry that retards use because they saw their favorite garden gnometuber tell them it was better.
wrong, inconsistent elbow placement, encourages bad habits like shooting with one eye closed
I'm gonna shoot weaver with one eye closed now just to spite you
>because they saw their favorite garden gnometuber tell them it was better
I've never not shot isosceles. It doesn't even look like the deathfat on the left is even controlling the gun, just cupping it.
>Weaver is now and forever will be the proper shooting stance. Isosceles is the latest and greatest tactical gayry that retards use because they saw their favorite garden gnometuber tell them it was better.
When I started shooting, picked up a pistol for the first time, I naturally went to what basically resembled an isosceles stance. Its the most natural way to do it.
>that retards use because they saw their favorite garden gnometuber tell them it was better.
as opposed to you?
>are you wearing armor?
then isosceles, use that damned armor.
>are you not wearing armor?
then weaver, small targets are harder to hit.
>small targets are harder to hit
Uh, have you seen the belly on the guy in OP's pic?
weaver is a natural fighting stance as old as humans.
You got it backwards. Isosceles was developed to take advantage of the body’s natural reaction to a threat. Squared up and facing the target.
Weaver is eceleb bullshit
Big square profile slow to aim
Hope you wear Kevlar
One handed with no sights so I can actually survive if I ever have to draw my carry piece.
For me, its the Bix-Nood stance
>Step 1 Assume a horse stance
>Step 2 Grab crotch and lean backwards. This will help stabilize you.
> Step 3 Raise gun in a sideways grip and lock elbow out.
>Step 4 Go to jail.
isosceles for ideal circumstance
weaver for real world
simple as
One handed because I'm not a lady.
olympic
One hand on hip?
Idk whatever feels right, who needs a cute name for how they stand lol
>not Center Access Relock
ngmi
Umm, the proper way to shoot, duh.
What the fuck even is that grip supposed to accomplish? He probably thinks he's John Wick kek.
CAR is older than John Wick by 12yrs, guy. It's just meant for hits at a few feet to a few yards within confined places.
https://www.ammoman.com/blog/center-axis-relock-a-star-is-born/
keanu didn't really even use center axis relock, it's modified high ready
Compact stance for movement inside tight quarters.
I unironically shoot better this way than any other stance. I hate it because it makes me look tryhard as fuck but it instantly cuts my groups in half and I can do it faster than Weaver or Iso. I think maybe it's because I'm a handlet and CAR lets me get my support hand in a better position or something.
Is that meant for right hand/left eye dominance?
Chapman, PowerPoint
Locking my elbow lets me handle recoil better than otherwise and gives stable aim
I hope everyone weaker than me doesn’t try the muscle pushpull dumbness
We will not have sex with you anon, no matter how many times you post this picture
Posted as example of the type of build that benefits the most from Chapman
Twink or female?? Either way hit the gym and if you're a dude, please go do somthing outside or at the least somthing physically demanding, I can feel how soft your hands are through the screen
You must be new around here if you haven’t encountered the Tokarev twink before
Not new per say I've been stuck here since 2011, I just never comment, especially on PrepHole I normally just come here to cringe out and judge, there's so much self sucking and jerking off that goes on in this board.
Did you so shrooms in the desert while we sat around a bonfire?
Sounds cool but not the guy you know
Weaver. Every. Time. But with the gun lined up to my left eye.
My arm gets tired quickly from weaver if the recoil is significant and it soon starts shaking
I get the idea that it’s only effective if you’re a big guy like it’s creator
Also iso is unstable and even worse.
I reload a special 9mm bullet. 1075fps bullet is prime expansion and the pressure is super low.
I need something to compensation for below average bulk and give extra stability and Chapman, which feels almost like a martial arts stance is it.
I'm a fucking string bean. Stop being a pussy and hold your god damn hands steady.
cope
I’ll lock my elbows and magdump with more control and less fatigue
than otherwise possible
Blam blam https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f09xmJSZ-3c
neither lmao what are you 60? don't lock out your arms
i was trained on isosceles and i don't know how to shoot any other stance. i would like to, but i just haven't put the time into it
Weaver because I have hypermobile elbows that can't lock properly for isosceles.
weaver is superior for SD situations because it puts you already in a fighting stance in case a grapple ensues
If your shooting stance isn't almost exactly a boxer's fighting stance than you probably shoot like shit as soon as stuff like movement is a factor
You'll notice that a boxer's stance sits somewhere between the exaggerated blading of weaver and the immobile planting of isosceles. You'll also notice that even comp shooters who preach isosceles stances will often up in a stance like I'm describing as soon as they're moving around.
Damn dude that's almost word for word what my drill instructor told us on the range back in 2011, outside of that I've never put more thought into my stance other than it's comfortable and stable.
I'm glad you had a competent DI anon
Me too, because of him I found out that even though my left hand is my strong hand I'm right eye dominant, I probably would have never put that together if it wasn't for him watching how I shot back in the day
>right eye dominant
I'm convinced that eye dominance is bullshit, if I hold a gun in front of me I can change which eye picks up the sight by angling my head a few degrees to the right or left, almost as effective as closing one eye completely.
Possibly but I actually do have slightly worse vision in my left eye than I do my right, I still shoot both ways but I do have a noticeably harder time both focusing and staying in focus with my left eye and thats just in general.
>I'm convinced that eye dominance is bullshit
Do the O fingers test 10 times from different positions and see how much time O lands on one eye.
>I'm convinced that eye dominance is bullshit
I am a skeet shooting coach, you have zero idea what you are talking about and it's cute. I teach so many people who have eye dominance issues an one of the top shots in the country is right handed left eye dominant and he shoots off his left shoulder because of it.
Teacup.
mpbp
I do isosceles but with my arms slightly bent tbh.
unironically why not train primarily for one handed shooting for personal defense? having a free hand is very useful for holding other items like a flashlight that allows you to light a target without pointing a gun at them, or perform tasks like opening doors or pushing someone away.
people are generally slower and less accurate shooting one handed but at the same time most people barely train one handed shooting, with ports/comps or other forms of tuning you can get the muzzle rise near zero.
congratulations, you've circled back to 1900s american army doctrine
It’s a very good doctrine used in two wars to good effect
It’s also better for point shooting and most older guns were made for it
Point shooting is based https://youtu.be/BeSpwAA_0DU?si=aPeAK9LtskgxOn94
One hand grip with older guns meant to one hand some how naturally makes a gun aim dead on
Which means first strike against someone with a “better” but slower handling gun
I now understand why boomers love the 1911 so much
You don’t need sights that bad with old guns
Good thing too given how primitive they are
My father was taught in the military to one hand shoot handguns and he's a good shot (consistent 4inch groups at 50yds). There's some boomer magic in it.
it’s same principle as using finger to point at an object... with good hand eye coordination your point is dead on, sometimes called point or instinctive shooting iirc
First strike advantage
>LE TWO WORLD WARS
i wish you and everyone like you would get in a car crash and die already
because one-handed shooting is trash. you aren't dick tracey
Gitgood (point shoot)
>i read a book and now im good at point shooting!
>i can hit a plate at 12yds once every five shots with point shooting so that means its great!
Dumbass of course you’re supposed to practice it a lot before being halfway decent, not just read a book and expect to download a skill like the Matrix
>he can’t point shoot
>he can’t one hand a gun
Cringe
>i dont have to prove im good at point shooting, all i have to do is say other people are bad at it!
try doing uspsa with point shooting.
I'm not that anon and I don't know what uspa is but I'll do it, like no bullshit tell me what it is and I'll figure out the rest
>USPSA, aka a magdump fest by sportshoot retards
Because they exist in a fucking bubble, inventing their own BS and fitting their competitions to fit it
Guess what, you don't see what they do in IRL shootouts by anyone worth a damn
But one-handed shooting has been done by actual gunfighters of note like Jelly Bryce
>aka a magdump fest
yeah and even the mid tier people can magdump all in the A-zone. youre just butthurt theyre better than you.
>try doing uspsa with point shooting.
Try shooting targets that shoot back. No really try some airsoft pistol "tactical" duels with friends and then come back
>airsoft
i do play airsoft and i can assure you that the person aiming is always going to hit you first. now really, try that shit in uspsa. thr only people who balk at competition shooting are dorks like you who virtue signal about how non-meta they are.
like I said though, what is the actual potential of one handed shooting if most people only spend <5% if that of their training time and effort on two handed shooting? I would guess that a high level competitor could smoke most people shooting two hands with one hand, and with technological aids like comps/ports you can heavily mitigate recoil, i.e. the thing you are primarily using two hands to control.
Two handed is no good for two way shootings. Play airsoft, watch shootings videos. Fights very othen include brawls or the sing cover and concelement. There is no time and space to walk out from cover and adopt proper isosceles stance when on the other side there is guy with pistol already drawn and pointer in your direction. Doesn't matter how good shooter is if he acts like it is IPSCA shootings range he would be shoot twice when he walks out from the cover. When cover in involved people peak a little and immediately shot from non conventional stance. And for shooting around cover one handed is much more superior. Peaking with isoleces presents much more body as target, its much more cumbersoome, at puts more strain on the body and this is no good for speed and accuracy. Prevalence of the isoleces is consequences of of the "practical" shooting with paper targets that doesn't shot back.
Because that doesn't let them pretend to be le hecking ebig operator
Because the overwhelming number of personal defense shoots don't involve any of that. You can watch on video and see how many times what you're talking about happens.
Is it really wise to assume that you will be faced with an "average" event when forced in a life or death situation though, or should you go for the 99th percentile? They don't design safety equipment for "average" cases either, they find the worse case scenario then add 3x on top of that for margin of error.
I don't think it's a good idea to assume that you won't be ambushed or forced into a close physical confrontation some other way before you can draw your gun. It's generally agreed that everyone should train one handed just in case including weak hand, but almost no one actually does it.
I train both offhand and one handed, but it's dumb to have either of those be your primary thing you train around, especially when most shooters have bad fundamentals to begin with and should use the basic advantages of two handed shooting to get to an acceptable level first. Also if you're in a close physical confrontation where the other hand is needed, a high level of accuracy is not needed to kill or disable.
>but it's dumb to have either of those be your primary thing you train around,
why? like I said earlier with various mods you can get the muzzle climb extremely low to non-existent even one handed. so what is the advantage of 2 hands?
Post some one hand splits if you're so good anon
It's definitely something you should practice a bit and make sure you can atleast hit a target while doing, but it shouldn't be a primary focus of training. You have almost exactly as much reason to practice shooting with your non-dominant hand (which you should also try).
train for both, stupid? two handed is ideal if there's nothing stopping you but theres a nonzero probability you'll have to shoot one handed so just practice with both
I just shoot gun
I don't really think stance matters all that much if you have a proper grip
me shitting on all of you tacticool retards with my dual wielding
Git gud
>ctrl F
>"tintin"
>none found
Are you allowed to brace your shooting arm in one handed competition matches?
>How Br*tish “people” think it will be when they fire a Hi-Power after never touching a gun before
>belgian character
>some how the illiterate and uneducated burger thinks this is an Anglo
Sad, many such cases
I know the history of the character you tard. I can still make a joke at the expense of Brits if I want to.
Wait, is the Tintin movie PrepHole? I grew up reading that shit but figured the movie would be pussified as fuck, being a modern kids movie and all.
>surplus WW2 guns for everybody!
I wouldn’t call it PrepHole, none of the characters are military, but it’s anything but pussified.
Pretty true to the strip tbh
fun fact, isosceles was invented to allow women to shoot 9mm handguns. this is why it is so popular with noodle arm men
I’m weak but hate the hell out of it and would never teach mom or anyone weak to use it
It has no stability, it’s naturally awkward and you can’t point shoot right with it. It’s pretty much useless if you aren’t either loaded with frontal armor or aren’t a fat guy with lots of inertia
Whatever you shoot best from. Just practice
If you think Weaver is the way to go, try to get into Weaver and transition across two targets more than 90 degrees apart. You bind up your side muscles trying to do that. Now set up in Isosceles, and you can transition between targets over 180 degrees apart without moving your feet.
Try to do any kind of agility while shooting Weaver. Try to shoot in a stable way while moving in Weaver.
The only people who shoot Weaver are unironically guys who spend all their time on single lane indoor ranges, i.e. people who know less than jack shit about shooting.
Know nothing about pistol shooting beyond basics but what happened to the based one-handed shooting stance you saw back in the World Wars?
it sucks ass, that's what
It's worse, plain and simple. You can and should practice strong and weak handed shooting with a handgun (in case you get hit in the hand and need to continue firing) but two hands gives you way more control over the gun.
I can imagine it does allow for very rapid follow on shots but it seems a lot of people think the best method of using a handgun is spamming 9mm shots as quickly as you can pull the trigger until the magazine is empty.
In short current handgun meta is boring. Somebody should do something like the Colt SCAMP in 5.7mm.
It's a gunfight, not a video game. You should do what works to keep yourself alive. Generally, drawing with a solid grip, bringing the sights to your dominant eye, and firing 6 rounds to center mass as fast as you can make hits is a great way to keep yourself alive in a gunfight. Talking about a "meta" in the context of self-defense is a fucking apocalyptic level of brain rot
You presume I don't have an apocalyptic level of brain rot. Just tired of boring plastic 9mm handguns really.
I think the opposite, isosceles is most popular in competition shooting, where it's just 2 shots per target 95% of the time. The opposite of magdumping.
Accurate firing as fast as possible is the best strategy for defensive shooting. Psychological incapacitation or CNS failure of the target is the goal, and due to the design limits of all mainstream handgun rounds, lots of rounds are needed to do that. Everyone whose shooting skill I respect uses isosceles or modified isosceles. Accurate follow ups are faster, and it's a more repeatable position from low ready, since everything above your abdomen is locked out. Pair that with a pistol dot, and you can learn predictive shooting for really fast, precise splits.
Weaver is technically more accurate, since less muscles are engaged, and the ones that are, are engaged more vertically, but follow ups are way slower. Wouldn't be surprised if most of the weaver bros are confined to 25yd indoor ranges where splits don't matter, and simply don't need to learn a different shooting position.
It’s faster, if coupled with point shooting it brings bullets into target much faster than iso
This is why they didn’t teach you to slowly pivot like a turret with a gun while in the trenches
If it's guaranteed to be faster how come the minmaxing gamer competition shooters don't do it?
If you have time to worry about your stance in a fight, you're doing something wrong and you're about to die. If your shooting stance is good, you're not using cover effectively or moving enough.
Shhhhhh everyone here wears either a green beret or a ranger tab, they're experts, you're not.
I just shoot, I couldn't tell you a propper stance if it hit me in the face, I just make shure i have a comfortable and solid grip and let it rip and that has no negative effect on my accuracy
Weaver. It just feels more natural to me.
Point shooting, Isosceles, CAR and weaver should be all be trained equally so you can be ready for any situation no matter how niche it is
>not Chapman
You should be walking a line so weaver.
Weaver. I'm a tall guy, and the Isosceles stance is uncomfortable for me.
Explain? I'm 6'3. How the fuck does length relate to the stance and how is isosceles uncomfortable for tall people?
I feel like a hunchback whenever I try to do it. It just feels awkward.
No thanks I'm not gay
What was the logic for teaching people to shoot like this? I mean they also had techniques for shooting two handed (usually in a crouching position) so they knew two handed shooting was more stable.
It’s slower to point shoot two handed, especially with awkward isosceles
Pistol fighting reached its zenith in the WW1 trenches so you just had to be the first to shoot a hun 25 yards away and then pivot to the next hun
Some of its derivatives like PowerPoint also let you blade dramatically which in a trench fight means cover
This method is more stable, presents a smaller target and is faster to context switch. You haven't been taught to shoot properly. It only fell out of favor because of presenting plates.
I think it would work pretty good in the context of a surprise fight with a carjacker or similar
If you look up actual ww2 training materials (search 'Combat Firing with Handguns' on goytube) they don't seem to reference one-handed standing as a firing position. The taught positions were prone two handed, kneeling two handed, and combat shooting (point shooting).
I suspect standing aimed fire was an initial training technique more than a standard combat stance, to familiarize the shooter with Manual-of-arms, sight alignment and trigger pull etc without having to think too much about stance.
That's the most based shooting style. If you're not using cover and all that might in a firefight might as well do that.
It's called a HANDGUN for a reason.
Cover benefits one-handed shooting far more than two-handed, as
demonstrates.
Not to mention having a free hand is extremely useful in many situations.
Weaver was devised by retard sportshooters, it's unnatural hence why almost everyone in actual firefights reverts to isosceles.
Yet for a true gunfighter, one-handed shooting is the way to go. Far more versatile for a trained shootist.
It's just sad PrepHole will never perfect the tried and true one and only king of combat stances.
One handed for force on force.
Isosceles for fleeing targets.
why not both
Iso for Revolver
Weaver for pistol
Simple as
im just saying the right on the right looks like he knows how to shoot and the guy on the left looks like a fat fucking retard
It's so cute these threads by no-gunners
Work your overweight problem first
I like the Jerry miculek "don't think, just bring it up to your eye and shoot" stance
I guess that happens to be isosceles
But there really is something nice about a stance that has little to no setup
>be me
>local PD
>very small department. Only 15 officers including admin
>every year for 4 years straight get top shot with pistol qual
>nothing serious maxing out only at 35 yards with handgun of choice (so long as it's approved manufacturer)
>weaver master race
>department decides to bring in some instructor who was a pistol instructor in the navy
>he will not stop bugging me about my weaver stance and telling me how outdated it is despite me scoring the best and having a 8 inch grouping at 35 yards
>tell him im comfortable and proficient with my stance and I'll be sticking with it.
>he eventually gives up but not before telling me I could have a better grouping if I swap stances
Whats the zoomer version of a boomer?
30 year old boomer
A youtube essayist
>grab gun
>go to range
>fire a few mags
>switch stance
>repeat
>choose whatever gives best results
there, debate solved
some people shoot better with isosceles, especially when wearing body armor
you can, alternatively, practice on your local morons
I was told by contractors at Acadmi that Isosceles is only used in bootcamp to flip recruits if they go ape shit and start shooting people.
What?
Not being a fatty first of all.
Weaver if not wearing armor, isosceles if wearing armor. You present the plate so that's more likely to get hit rather than an uncovered area. As far as what your legs are doing, just take your most comfortable fighting stance. Schools are now teaching "tactical stance" over these boomerisms, and it's literally just whatever your fighting stance is but making sure your armor is presented if wearing it. It's to avoid confusion between fighting mode and shooting mode, and to already be in an ideal stance if you have to holster and go hands-on.
Now unban me you fucking trannies.
center axis
FBI Crouch devised by Jelly Bryce who won 19 shootouts including 1v2s and when his opponents got the jump.
It's adjustable for point or precision shooting, but you either can or can't do it. Most can't hence why it got phased out.
Damn, the bullet ricochets off your face and then is directed to the target??
whichever kills dindus easier
Isosceles is best for teaching minorities
That way when the moment of confrontation arrives and they realize "Hey wait, how am I supposed to walk forward while in this retarded isosceles shooting stance?"
And boom. You've won the shootout.
the weird fucked hybrid thing that you end up in from shooting revolvers and semi autos at the same time, with your feet square and one of your elbows sorta bent
sugondese
move aside gays
Tell me you’re a gay without telling me you’re a gay
Stance?
What does Paul say?
Weaver is for people who are saying fuck it, I dont want to control recoil
Neither