Weapons "Experts"

>Spring compression damaging magazines is a myth trust me bro!
>I know it's a myth because I left my brand new gucci 100 dollars a magazine 32 round glock mags fully loaded for five years because I never go shooting and just shitpost on PrepHole all day!
Someone saying spring compression can never damage a magazine ever under any circumstances and it's a total myth is one of the big red flags you are dealing with a fat LARPer know it all that thinks he is an expert because he spent 5000 dollars on gear he doesn't use. This is up there with retards saying barrel heat affecting accuracy is a "myth". If you leave a cheaply made knockoff or milsurp mags fully loaded for decades there is a high chance they will incur damage. It's not a myth, if you have mags that don't need to be loaded 24/7 keep them unloaded.

  1. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    Shut up retard

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      /thread

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      /thread

      >Your fat ass you can't even reach around to touch is so hurt you samefag with a VPN
      Pathetic

      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous

        Not the case schizo. You really are the retard in this case.

        • 5 days ago
          Anonymous

          Prove spring compression is a myth gay. There are numerous examples of functional but cheaply made mags being left loaded for a long time and failing to work after. Also you should be aware just insulting with ad hominem attacks and not actually responding with a real argument is considered troll posting and will get you banned.

          • 5 days ago
            Anonymous

            Someone here accidentally proved it a few years back. Loaded a Glock mag, and stored it with an unloaded mag. After he compared the loaded mag had a shorter spring. Then an Anon asked him to load the unloaded mag, empty it and compare. Suddenly both springs were the same length, despite only one being stored with ammo. It is the cycles of compression and extension that wear out the spring.

            • 5 days ago
              Anonymous

              Short of an external process interfering (like rusting, or being exposed to high heat) this is just how it works. I'm not sure why people want to argue it isn't how things are.

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                uh, op's pic looks bad therefore it is bad. you're disproved QED

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                People argue with it because it flies in the face of their perceived logic. They also have no understanding of materials science, but I won't pretend that's common knowledge.

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                They can't understand how steel bridges maintain tension for decades but god forbid they maintain it in spring form.

            • 5 days ago
              Anonymous

              Glock mags are known for reliability, they are fine to store loaded. Take two surplus STANAG M16 mags and load one fully while keeping the other empty, let them sit like that for 10 to 20 years. Then when the mag you left loaded fails to feed tell me spring compression damage is a myth retard.

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                funnily enough I saw a video from some cop that had a duty rifle mag loaded for 11 years and forgot about it, and recorded the test shots with it. ran flawlessly
                >source: some video i saw years ago

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                I saw that same video, so I'll back your claim.

            • 5 days ago
              Anonymous

              >It is the cycles of compression and extension that wear out the spring

          • 5 days ago
            Anonymous

            For starters you have the intellectual capacity of a pavement ape. Of course cheaply made magazines can suffer from being left loaded for decades. They'll also wear out faster when used then a good magazine. It's like saying an engine left sitting for thirty years without being turned over will lock up. Of course it will. You're not making an "argument". You know nobody can refute your point because it's common fucking sense. Yes, shit mags are shit. Yes, they suffer wear faster than good mags. You're a smooth brained gay and I am debasing myself by replying to you. Anyone who responds to the complete and utter retardation present in this thread beyond this point is an imbecile of the highest order and is likely incapable of chewing gum and farting at the same time without bubbles coming out their ass.

            Also do you know where you are you absolute third world moron? This isn't reddit but you should go back there. The mods are not going to tongue your anus. Fuck you for this slide thread, and fuck me for falling for this moronic bait.

            • 5 days ago
              Anonymous

              Prove spring compression is a myth gay. There are numerous examples of functional but cheaply made mags being left loaded for a long time and failing to work after. Also you should be aware just insulting with ad hominem attacks and not actually responding with a real argument is considered troll posting and will get you banned.

              Someone here accidentally proved it a few years back. Loaded a Glock mag, and stored it with an unloaded mag. After he compared the loaded mag had a shorter spring. Then an Anon asked him to load the unloaded mag, empty it and compare. Suddenly both springs were the same length, despite only one being stored with ammo. It is the cycles of compression and extension that wear out the spring.

              > It is the cycles of compression and extension that wear out the spring.
              This is factual

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                >It is the cycles of compression and extension that wear out the spring.
                >This is factual
                a valve spring in an engine for example can undergo billions of compression cycles and thousands of heat cycles and still be fine so. this line of thinking is also retarded

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                >all springs are the same and behave the same way

                Holy shit, how'd you get away from your wrangler to post here?

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                so one spring can undergo a billion cycles of compression and probably not even be measurable in terms of wear. while another can be compressed once and show significant difference from its factory length?

                im sorry that my simple comparison made you reevaluate your reality so hardcore that you had to resort to insults to keep your ego in check

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                If a spring fails when operating within it's specifications, it isn't a spring. It is a shitty bit of poorly tempered low quality steel.

            • 5 days ago
              Anonymous

              A shitty mag is liable to fail after storing because it is liable to fail in general. They're not reliable to begin with. If the spring brinds or breaks when you're loading it up, it doesn't make how long it sat, it was already fucked to begin with.

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                >spring brinds
                *binds

            • 5 days ago
              Anonymous

              >All those words nobody is going to read
              Only redditor here is you

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                This dumbass can't fucking read at a 5th grade level

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                This weapon board not book board u nerd bitch. I not need know how read to shoot gun little pussy.

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                you obviously read it enough to know what he said dumbass

            • 5 days ago
              Anonymous

              Not disputing what you're saying, I agree with you. But please learn the difference between 'then' and 'than' before you insult someone else's intelligence.

          • 5 days ago
            Anonymous

            I have a Steyr-Mannlicher M95 is my closet that loves to eject it's firing pin spring across the room at fucking lightspeed if you let it.

            The thing was made in 1906, so that spring has been in there for a good 117 years, and the spring is still nice and strong.

          • 5 days ago
            Anonymous

            There's two mechanisms that I think may be viable
            (1) cheapass or surplus mag uses cheapass steel that creeps under sustained load
            (2) loading the spring creates internal stresses in the steel which leads to microfractures and accelerated corrosion which would reduce springiness.
            Neither case would apply to mags made out of proper spring steel and not subjected to ridiculous storage conditions.

            • 5 days ago
              Anonymous

              Checked and funny that you reach with "microfractures" then capitulate with springiness.
              Stop misusing and making up words to support your random and incorrect intuition about magazines

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                >Stop misusing and making up words to support your random and incorrect intuition
                no. go rant on /r/ engineering about it gay

            • 5 days ago
              Anonymous

              So I guess the takeaway here is that a spring will wear over time while loaded, but the wear is so insignificant that a properly designed magazine has already accounted for it? The same mag that you can store for 100 years and it'll work is also the same mag that will go through thousands of cycles without issue. Even as the spring shortens, it still works, because it was designed with those tolerances in mind.

              If you take a torque wrench for example, it is not designed to stay accurate as the spring shortens. It only stays calibrated when the spring has those specific dimensions because that's how it was designed to work. Technically, setting the wrench to zero will also wear the springs out faster, but the amount of compression cycles a wrench goes through is incredibly small compared to something like a valve spring. Different springs engineered for different purposes, no doubt based on principles like [...]. If I couldn't trust a magazine to be reliable after being stored loaded, I wouldn't trust that design period.

              There is literally no one in this thread that has provided evidence of springs wearing beneath yield strength, not even an anecdote.
              What the fuck do you think happens, the wind takes away an atom of metal a day?
              Cheap mags are just shit and unreliable because they're shit and unreliable.

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                Such a strange explanation. Reminds me of the south park joke where money cured aids

          • 4 days ago
            Anonymous

            >you will be banned for calling someone a retard on PrepHole

            Kek

  2. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    real schizo hours are 0100-0500 anon

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      here for my shift anon

  3. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    I told one of my teachers I didn't believe in untightening torch wrenches, but that I would respect his voodoo rituals, and he was completely assblasted.
    And then everybody clapped.

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      A magazine isn't a precision instrument. Regardless, the torque wrench will still "work" even if it is stored indefinitely at a high setting, it just loses accuracy. That's okay, they all do eventually, that's why they should be calibrated and tested regularly in any important context. Springs don't last forever, but in the context of a loaded magazine, you're not going to induce failures just from leaving the magazine loaded on any time scale that is applicable to a human being.

      >Someone saying spring compression can never damage a magazine ever under any circumstances and it's a total myth is one of the big red flags you are dealing with a fat LARPer
      Ask me how I know you're a fucking retard without telling me your a fucking retard.
      Herb thread, move on.

      Go ahead and ask Glock what they think about storing a loaded magazine. They'll give you a practical answer, none of spherical cow bullshit. It doesn't matter.

  4. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    >If you leave a cheaply made knockoff or milsurp mags fully loaded for decades there is a high chance they will incur damage
    If you can prove that, you'll probably win a Nobel prize. That would be an absolutely massive change to our understanding of the fundamental physics of springs. It would be on par with disproving Newton's laws of motion or the existence of gravity.

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      >>If you leave a cheaply made knockoff or milsurp mags fully loaded for decades there is a high chance they will incur damage
      heres the thing good mags designed by real people take the initial set into consideration. shit mags dont and the initial set fucks them.

      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous

        Doesn't matter. Even with the initial set not considered, how long it's there means nothing. If they didn't take the initial set into account, then fully loading it even once could ruin it. But whether you unload it after half a second or 10,000 years is completely irrelevant.

        • 5 days ago
          Anonymous

          you assume the spring manufacturer is competent and all things are equal. reality doesnt work that way.

          • 5 days ago
            Anonymous

            Even if the spring is incompetently made, it will just deform immediately when compressed to a point sooner than an ideal spring would have. Holding it at that point for more time has exactly zero effect.

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      >Someone saying spring compression can never damage a magazine ever under any circumstances and it's a total myth is one of the big red flags you are dealing with a fat LARPer
      Ask me how I know you're a fucking retard without telling me your a fucking retard.
      Herb thread, move on.

      This video has been out for six years. Paul tells multiple anecdotes of magazines failing because they were left loaded for too long. He also tells multiple anecdotes of magazines being left loaded for years and still working fine. The truth is every magazine and spring is different and some will be damaged from being left compressed. That's the problem with this board and website in general. You gays are know it all idiots that think everything is black and white, it either does or it doesn't there is no inbetween. The answer to most questions is "it depends" and "yes and no".
      TLDR: You are all retarded

      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous

        >anecdotes
        Worthless. Is it more likely that Paul found a violation of fundamental laws of physics on par with exceeding the speed of light, or that some factor other than time ruined those mags?

      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous

        >Load a shitty magazine
        >It is already fucked up but you don't know because you don't shoot it
        >Leave it for years
        >Try to shoot it and it fails
        >Blame father time
        Many such cases

      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous

        Also here is an answer from a fucking spring manufacturer
        >Does Leaving a Spring Compressed Weaken It
        >A spring under tension for an extended period of time can become weaker. Any object will either resist or deform when subjected to outside stress.

        • 5 days ago
          Anonymous

          On par with a car manufacturer saying their car can go faster than the speed of light. They're claiming something that's demonstrably physically impossible at the most fundamental level of universal laws.

        • 5 days ago
          Anonymous

          Tension is the opposite of compression, no?

      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous

        It's never the fact the the spring is left compressed alone. It's always another factor (sometimes in conjunction with the spring being compressed) that is the issue. Rust, shock, exposure to heat, etc. But the fact a spring is compressed and left, in a perfect vacuum, will not "wear it out". This part cannot be argued, it's a natural law.

        Take 2 mags, load them, bury one raw and one in a vacuum sealed by with a moisture absorber. In 5 years dig them up, one spring will be "worn out" and the other will be fine.

        Properly stored mags can be stored loaded indefinitely without losing tension.

      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous

        How many springs inside the guns fail? Why do people only focus on the mag springs. The whole thing is loaded with them and most see a significant amount of loading.

        • 5 days ago
          Anonymous

          almost all of them will fail. its just that mag springs wear out the fastest. then recoilsprings wear out. extractor springs tend to die from rust or gunk issues.

          • 5 days ago
            Anonymous

            From cycling. I'm talking about loading them up and storing them causing failures. Nobody complains about 1911 being "cocked and locked" all the time. But keep 7 rds in the mag and holy shit to people come out of the woodwork.

            • 5 days ago
              Anonymous

              Wouldn't that mean a torque wrench should wear out faster for every time you set it back to zero?

      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous

        >E-celeb babble
        Done.

  5. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    >Someone saying spring compression can never damage a magazine ever under any circumstances and it's a total myth is one of the big red flags you are dealing with a fat LARPer
    Ask me how I know you're a fucking retard without telling me your a fucking retard.
    Herb thread, move on.

  6. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    this is always why when i park my car i leave it on jack stands because the compression of the springs from the weight of the car ruins them over time

  7. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    >Someone saying spring compression can never damage a magazine ever under any circumstances
    I've never heard of the
    >Under any circumstances
    I have been told by engineers, other ppl who actually went to school that the spring compressed will not hurt it.

  8. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    please familiarize youself with even basic physics concepts before you claim to understand how springs can be damaged

  9. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    ooo hot takes thread? okay I'll bite
    >I underload my mags
    mostly to keep even counts in my ammo boxes. 17rnd mag? you get 15. 33rnd? try 30.

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      >homosexual? try sucking dick
      Or just don't buy low quality chinesium-tier parts.
      Magpul's been proven to hold up to full load for a decade. Even decades old STANAGs can do it...

      An incorrect, cheap metal used for a mag spring is just wrong and the source+cause of any feeding issue.
      The proper material can and is designed for a full mag compression without any loss of material strength, regardless of the time spent compressed.

      As someone posted, young modulus and etc. yield strength and etc.
      your $4 mags are the problem.

      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous

        So I guess the takeaway here is that a spring will wear over time while loaded, but the wear is so insignificant that a properly designed magazine has already accounted for it? The same mag that you can store for 100 years and it'll work is also the same mag that will go through thousands of cycles without issue. Even as the spring shortens, it still works, because it was designed with those tolerances in mind.

        If you take a torque wrench for example, it is not designed to stay accurate as the spring shortens. It only stays calibrated when the spring has those specific dimensions because that's how it was designed to work. Technically, setting the wrench to zero will also wear the springs out faster, but the amount of compression cycles a wrench goes through is incredibly small compared to something like a valve spring. Different springs engineered for different purposes, no doubt based on principles like

        https://i.imgur.com/bNUpEmM.png

        please familiarize youself with even basic physics concepts before you claim to understand how springs can be damaged

        . If I couldn't trust a magazine to be reliable after being stored loaded, I wouldn't trust that design period.

        • 4 days ago
          Anonymous

          >So I guess the takeaway here is that a spring will wear over time while loaded,
          that is literary opposite what picture says retard.
          Spring will only get fucked if large enough force is applied.

  10. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    >brand new gucci 100 dollars a magazine 32 round glock mags
    you don't even own guns bro the fuck are you even on about

  11. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    >gucci 100 dollars a magazine 32 round glock mags

    this isn't even close to being a real thing.

  12. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    i can get a replacement spring or magazine for like 15 bucks in 5 years quit bawling like a child
    its not the end of the world if i'm at a range and one cartridge chambers incorrectly and "BOO HOO I HAVE TO PULL BACK THE SLIDE TO GET IT OUT"

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      >I have no idea what mag it was
      >I have no idea what gun it was for
      >I have no idea how long it was stored for
      >I have no idea of it's condition before storage
      >I have no idea if it ever worked or not

      Man, you sure do not know a lot of things. Kinda weird how you know absolutely fucking nothing about the mag, but you know exactly why it stopped working.

      PS, how does a mag lose "stored energy"? The potential energy of the magazine is directly correlated to the amount of force being applied to the spring. Changing the actual characteristics of the spring DOESN'T CHANGE THE POTENTIAL ENERGY OF THE SYSTEM. I'll just leave you on that little bombshell, think about it for a little, you'll get it.

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        why should i know everything about a spare self defense pistol i never use or my second hunting rifle when i havent even gone hunting in 2 years
        maybe that just means i should sell them but fact of the matter is that it doesnt really matter to me
        >but you know exactly why it stopped working.
        you're the one telling me the magazine will fail

  13. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    When I was about 16, I was helping my dad unload his safe because we were moving houses. There was a topped off magazine in there, double stack 9mm I can't remember what it was for, but it had obviously been loaded a long time ago and tossed in there. After unloading it, it was completely shot. The follower would not move to the top of the magazine. So in my experience, a mag spring can absolutely lose stored energy over time. Ymmv. I have no idea what type of mag it was or how long it was stored but it can happen.

  14. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    Only if the spring is made with material that creeps noticeably in room temp(aluminum, polymer) or compressed past their yield strength to elastically deform due to cheapening out of spec, cycles of load and unload cycle or reverse load to fatigue, at high temperature allowing dislocation, which isn't the steel spring in a magazine stored in cabinet. Steel is as good as it gets for anti-creep and anti-fatigue.
    With some cracks already formed and lodged enough contaminants inside it would be a problem that as the crack grow, less and less cross section take on the same pressure would exceed the threshold and grow more crack, but such mag is still doomed even if you just load it the morning you shoot it 5 years later.

  15. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    Nunnadis maddas if ya don't shoot enough.

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