We need to give Zelensky more weapons so they can take back Crimea. Do you support this? Posted on February 28, 2023 by PrepHole Contributor We need to give Zelensky more weapons so they can take back Crimea. Do you support this?
Yes. Next question.
I fully support any measure which leads to the death of at one (1) or more Russian soldiers on Ukrainian territory. There is no monetary cost too high for allowing those Russian mongoloids to get away with their spastic antics
This is a moderate viewpoint
basically a pacifist
we should give them back their nukes
Ah I never thought about it till now, but the double flash is the nuke actually going off, creating light and various forms of radiation, penetraing the local atmophere, but then being blocked by water vapour it creates as it violently expands and inhibits visible light. It then creates what appears to be a second flash as thermal release of light from the same superheated atmosphere over a larger diameter then forces its way through the inhibiting vapour to an atmosphere not steam dense enough to inhibit it.
I assume they can be sure it's not a regular double flash explosion by noticing only a singlular flash from wavelenghs that pass through steam or something like that?
Unfortunately, the nukes that weren't decommissioned were transfered to Russia.
>The deterrent value of the nuclear weapons in Ukraine was also questionable: Ukraine had taken "administrative control" of the weapon delivery systems and implemented measures to prevent Russia from using them, but would have had to spend 12 to 18 months to establish full operational control over its nuclear arsenal. The ICBMs also had a range of 5,000–10,000 km (initially targeting the United States), which meant that they could only have been re-targeted to hit Russia's far east.
>The ICBMs also had a range of 5,000–10,000 km (initially targeting the United States), which meant that they could only have been re-targeted to hit Russia's far east.
Whoever wrote this is a fucking moron honestly.
"Muh nukes have a minimum range" when Europe is right there kek
ICBMs fly on an elliptical trajectory. In order to have intercontinental range, the boosters are designed to take the payload up to an altitude of approximately 1200 miles at apogee. The boosters cannot be throttled back.
Ok, so aim up.
The boosters don't have to throttle back.
Your understanding of ballistic trajectories is on the level of the paste eating third grader and you should really stop posting.
Not even that anon.
we should bomb the three gorges dam, i think that would show putin we mean business.
Taiwan Glowie detected
people have been supporting taiwan long before ukraine you bat soup eating chinamoron
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This is so obvious and yet it seems to elude most western bros at the moment.
western bros dont want the war to end.
They want a slow meatgrinder that depletes and destabilizes Russia. A quick surrender wouldn't achieve that.
Proxy wars aren't meant to be won, they're meant to be so damaging and longstanding that there is no victory for anyone directly involved.
And what if russian allies step in ? what if they don't lose ? seems like a very dangerous gamble to me.
Anon the Russians themselves killed NATO at home and China just told them they should stop fighting and negotiate returning territory.
>what if Russian allies step in
Like the Congo? Somalia? Then more and higher-quality weapons will be brought in to keep the status quo. It's not like China is going to put boots onnaground. It's literally just deep-africa morons for hire, worse than vatnig penal battalions
>what if they don't lose
The damage is already done. The ground is inconsequential geopolitically, all that matters is depleting reserves of weapons, ammunition, and armor. I obviously don't want vatnigs to get a single square foot of soil added to their borders, but from a western strategic perspective, that's not a primary concern.
>what if they don't lose ?
The drunk Russians can't hold their own anyways. You think the west is afraid of the lower forms of life that ride the coat tails of Russia?
10/10 b8 you got me to reply
Russia has no Allie’s just “friends” that but their resources at discount
What do you get out of it by spouting obvious bullshit? Do you get a kick out of it? Genuinely don't understand
Belarus, Iran and Nicaragua?
>And what if russian allies step in ?
Who, the BRICS? North korea? Iran? Curb stomp all of them, it would make the world a better place
The only allies Russia has with any real power are China, Iran, North Korea and (to a lesser extent) India. China is coy about sending them weapons, partially because they are afraid of sanctions, and partially because they don't want to deplete their own stockpiles of weapons in case they need them for Taiwan or India. Iran has already done everything they can by sending them Shahed drones, which have only proven useful for terror bombing. North Korea is supplying ammunition and small arms, but that can only go so far. India is currently torn between whether it should continue to support Russia, or abandon Russia in favor of forming stronger ties with the West. It is increasingly looking like they will pivot towards the West. None of them are even remotely contemplating sending troops.
The rest of Russia's allies (Eritrea, Syria, DRC, Venezuela, Belarus, etc.) are too weak to do anything.
Noam Chomsky and Richard D. Wolff are shitty fighters anon.
Oh my God! that is so *concerning*. I never even thought of that. Whatever shall we do about such danger? It's SUCH a *gambit*.
CSTO (AKA NATO but actually good and competent according to russia) already collapsed in the opening weeks of the war.
Cause even fucking kazakhstan knows putin is a cia plant hellbent on destroying ruski mir
who? The CSTO nations russia didnt even help when they were attacked? The same ones that were infighting not 3 months ago?
Brics ain’t going to do shit. The US would immediately go after Brazil with the rest of South America on their side
I'm not gonna tell you outed yourself grammatically, but you did
Why is it always the double statement with a question mark with you people?
>And what if russian allies step in ?
Since you posted this, Khazakstan has discussed a strategic partnership with the US and Serbia has announced that any Serbians who left to join Wagner will be arrested upon their return.
>They want a slow meatgrinder
Only reason there's a "meatgrinder" is a mild winter that the Russians are clumsily trying to take advantage of by throwing bodies at Bakhmut. What everyone really wants is ground dry enough to drive motherfucking Leopards and Bradleys over.
>throwing bodies at Bakhmut
But Ukraine has only lost 5 guys right? You fucking retards are so fucking predictable with your retard tier shilling.
you're just going to have to take Ukraines word that they can handle their own front ok
This is not counterstrike, K/D ratio won't give you victory, achieving strategic objectives does, and Russia doesn't have any right now.
Ukraine is fighting for it's survival, they don't have any alternative than fight.
If they wanted that why isn't the sanctions regime harsher? Both the EU and the US have been dragging their feet with this and still leave plenty of loopholes for trade, even though they out of all people have the greatest capacity to stomp out trafficking.
Alternatively, the West does want Ukraine to win so this whole thing is contained, but they underestimated Russia's willingness to send wave after wave of fighting age men to be slaughtered.
I want the war to end as quickly as possible, however it must be done with the reclaiming of all lost Ukrainian territory, including Crimea
what if Crimean people don't want to be back?
They can go back to Russia
that sounds like ethnic cleansing
More like a peaceful ethnic exchange. Happened to Germany after WW2, so it's fair game.
They are already in Russia.
Crimea isn’t Russia
Aren't you that serb who is obsessed with bbc?
Aren't they all?
in that case, there should be no problem indiscriminately bombing crimea when the time comes since the civilian population has already escaped to russia as you claim
Russians are notoriously bad at deciding what is and isn't Russian.
Why are you serbian?
Crimea is Ukrainian. There is nothing stopping those who want to be Russian from moving to Russia
58% of Crimeans in 1991 voted for Ukrainian independence, of which they would be a part
obviously I don't trust russian referenda even slightly which makes this the most recent indication of Crimean preferences between Russia and Ukraine that I know of
It's unlikely in any case to be as simple as "Ukraine re-annexes Crimea and does whatever it wants", they will be forced to treat it as a special region so autonomous it might as well be independent by the UN etc.
It's even easier than that. The original annexation by Russia is illegal and isn't recognized by the UN. Ukraine doesn't have to do shit because the Crimea is legally theirs and has been this entire time.
Kill the men, rape the women and children.
Russia IS bad, though. And insanely bad for the United States, never mind the rest of the world.
They are the reason Assad stayed in power.
They prop up anti-American whacko states like Iran, North Korea, Venezuela.
They fucked with at least three major US elections ON RECORD. Massively in 2016.
If you are really a nationalist, you will understand that Russia is not some fluffy fucking Care Bear. They are our mortal enemy and they have been since 1945. Literally nothing changed with the USSR collapsing except we took them down a big notch.
They were emboldened to strike at the very heart of our democracy by fucking with our elections. You are a bitch if you want us to stand there and take that, any real American has wanted to hit back and hit back HARD since they fucked us over in 2016 and that is exactly what Ukraine is all about.
Kill their troops, take the fight to their cities, and do not stop until the regime is removed and ideally the entire Russian mob state dismembered.
>take the fight to their cities, and do not stop until the regime is removed
Not necessary and could potentially cause more problems than it would solve. The best strategy is containment. The free world has bigger fish to fry (North Korea, China) and it can't do that if it uses it's military resources to destroy Russia.
>They are the reason Assad stayed in power.
>They prop up anti-American whacko states like Iran, North Korea, Venezuela.
Those states don’t have to be anti-American. We are the ones sanctioning them
>They fucked with at least three major US elections ON RECORD. Massively in 2016.
Fuck off democrat shill
how's it obvious?
terror-bombing Crimean civilians is not something the West sanctions.
Should be about time at some point. Dresden and Hiroshima/Nagasaki were also bombed eventually. There is only so long you can take the high road before it gets boring and you want shit to be over.
>Dresden and Hiroshima/Nagasaki were also bombed eventually
Both of those attacks were unjustified war crimes
you will be allowed to say this about one more city then.
still no one will care.
Who's talking about terror bombing? Can't you think of any way to use long range weapons other than killing civvies with them?
RuAF stores their ammo now in single trucks distributed in civilian neighborhoods.
If you want to hit those, you will kill civilians.
I am not convinced that this is true at all, nor that it is feasible for the amount of shells needed in a war of this intensity. Regardless, ATACMS can be used for other targets too.
Sure, lets cut off Crimea.
Western MSM will love seeing starving civilians.
>Sure, lets cut off Crimea.
>Western MSM will love seeing starving civilians.
I don't give a fuck what the media wants.
I wouldn't object. I am a moderate.
What's keeping them from starving right now? How will that change?
I know I would.
No worries, Ukraine will feed them.
Uh yes, of course they will lmao the media loves people dying horribly and and all-around misery.
just blow up the entire fucking bridge and position troops in position to attack crimea after taking back some more southern cities like melitopol
ol vlad will be happy to negotiate in that position, if he is still being an unreasonable gay then start seriously thinking about how to best invade it, shouldn't be too hard if they can't supply it
if the land corridor still exists, why would RU care?
if the land corrridor doesn't exist, why would UA need ATACMS when their HIMARS can already reach it with GLSDB from Mariupol?
>if the land corridor still exists
bro the land corridor is between post-2014 Ukraine and Crimea
Russia doesn't have a land corridor with Crimea which is why they build the fuckin bridge, to create an artificial connection
Since 2022 there's a land corridor again.
Bridge was build in 2018 when there wasn't any.
Lol that's why I said Ukraine would do this AFTER retaking the southern cities
i.e. taking away that land corridor
Somaliland has priority.
Sure, why not?
Look, the more weapons people give them, the more russians they kill, the calmer europe will be in the future and prosperous. Every rocket and tank means years of peace in the grand scale of things.
This is why indians and third worlders are the biggest shill farms around, they doesnt grasp how good it feels to get rid of the russian thorn from your side
Why would they support that? They quite like Russia being a thorn in the side of the hated west.
Yeah, I'm eastern european, not western. All I see are dead mobiks without lifting a finger. Any gun given to the ukies is a gun that potentially make europe safer
>more unmitigated arms trading and war profiteering equals more peace
I am not invested in this conflict, but I think that's rather silly.
Armed society is a polite society
It is clear that Russia will never stop harboring delusions of re-establishing their Tzarist/Soviet era empire. So short of demographic collapse (and they will likely become some abomination of Russian-revanchism plus Tatar/Chechen jihadism next cycle), in 40 years or more we'll have a repeat of this. Or the minute there is a weakness in the West Russia will try and take over their neighbors yet again. Whatever Russia accuses you of generally they do it themselves. So even the whole NATO enlargement is more them projecting that if the west is weak for a moment they will sweep up and take the Baltics, Ukraine, try and take Finland.
Dismember Russia. Whether that's the people or the country I don't care.
Yes France and england we will dismantle Germany that definitely won't lead to anything wrong.
Well dividing Germany actually did work, because by the time they reunited they weren't harboring delusions of superpower status.
And had they divided Germany back in WW1 it would have also worked. They just did something not hard enough and not nice enough.
Dismantling Germany in 45 lead to the most peaceful and prosperous time period in the Europe's history.
So yeah, it worked out pretty damn well.
Duh, best way to end a war is for one side to have a decisive advantage
Yes. Ukraine should take some of russia, too. Just to give them a buffer zone
Belgorod, Kursk, and Bryansk would be a good start. Maybe Rostov and Krasnodar just to block the Russians from the black sea entirely. Local populations will be relocated to the gnomish Autonomous Oblast.
I don't support Ukraine taking territory they don't have a modern (reformed Kievan Rus doesn't count) claim to. But other countries should go for it. It's a good opportunity.
>Japanese Karafuto and Kurils
Am I missing anything?
Chinese Manchuria, Mongolian Buryatia and Tuva, Georgia reclaiming its ancient imperial lands in the Caucasus.
NATO should tell China they'd allow them to take back Manchuria after Russia collapses in exchange for staying out of the war.
>they don't have a modern claim
In fact, you are absolutely wrong. Or, more likely, lying.
Agreed. They should take enough of Russia to put Moscow in HIMARS range so that if Russia fucks around Russia will find out.
How will ATACMs help Ukraine take Crimea?
It would cut the bridge in a matter of days, and keep it down for the rest of the war, making resupply of troops there slower, harder, more expensive and more interdictable.
the bridge wouldn’t go down without demolition charges. The ATACMS don’t have enough explosive power.
demolition charges come for free.
RuAF needs fresh ammunition.
Who said there would only be one?
imagine how calmer world would be without russia financing every radical retard around the globe
No, of course not.
I believe we should give them enough weapons to raze every settlement in russia and enough gas to liquidate the entire population.
Give him enough weapons to make the fall of Crimea inevitable, and you will see putin shit his way to the negotiating table
Since Russia repeatedly is saying they are at war with NATO, I don't see why there should be any red lines on equipment for Ukraine, save for nukes.
how many ATACMS do you think the US has?
But I'd rather Putin not negotiate, the more Russia suffers, the better.
chemical weapons on the blue board?
>still pushing the chemical weapons bullshit
Do you not know how lethal DHMO is to humans?
No, it is absolutely necessary for this war to drag on as long as possible to ensure Russia is ruined and depopulated.
Then go fight for Ukraine, pussy
Well now I'm mad that's not what geezer mcpolitician proposed
>We need to give Zelensky more weapons so they can take back Crimea
yes, wrap it up and ship it
Yes it’s literally what most of those weapons were built for
>I want to see what Zelenskys being blackmailed over! Imagine the smell
Yeah, it's no fun if they are just sitting in a bunker somewhere.
If he fears he's losing Crimea why would he negotiate? Unless he thinks he could negotiate a way to keep Crimea.
Putin is retarded and already annexed other parts of Ukraine that he currently doesn't even hold.
Crimea lost its special status and is just one among many other annexed parts.
There won't be an exception for Crimea anymore.
He has to give it back, too.
So there won't be a negotiation.
This was such an epic self-own. Putin has been given like 500 off-ramps but he seemingly won't be happy until he's Gadhafied in a St. Petersburg storm sewer.
You need dinghies and amphibious vehicles for that shit. The idea that ATACMs helps Ukraine take Crimea is a like thinking you can take Kiev with Sneed drones.
you will need a lot more than ATACMS to conquer Crimea.
have fun letting your troops march through this pinpoint.
They don’t have to send troops onto the peninsula at first. Cutting off the few supply roads and train tracks, and getting MLRS into reach of the Kerch-strait might be the end of the Russian occupation of the Crimea.
that's very optimistic.
RuAF might dig in nonetheless.
Sure, it’s optimistic, and these things won’t happen in the immediate future. Last year we‘ve seen other barely predictable events happening, like the breakthrough east of Kharkiv and taking back Kherson.
The Russians will be dug in on the Crimea, or bound there without supplies at some point, depending on how you look at it.
Russians already dug in in front of the Crimea.
Cutting off the land-connection will not be easy and Russia can always counter-attack from their own soil.
I think we've already seen they are incapable of counter-attacking
True, it won’t be easy and it will be costly. That the RuAF will be prepared, to their possibilities, is certain. On the other hand, will a couple of hundred fellatio forts and crude concrete obstacles enough to prevent reaching, let’s say, Melitopol or Berdyansk?
Crimea, if it is to be retaken, will be retaken by siege. All Ukraine needs to do is cut off the land bridge. If they get situated along the sea of azov they will be able to repeatedly strike the Kerch bridge. Russian seaborne shipping has already been unsafe. Air freight will be unsafe. Crimea still doesn't have water from mainland Ukraine and without the ability to resupply by land, sea or air it will starve.
>Crimea, if it is to be retaken, will be retaken by siege.
why not 10 000 JDAMs?
they were dug in and kherson was unconquerable as well.
How is kherson, by the way?
>Russia can always counter-attack
Can they though?
Look, if they renounced their Ukrainian citizenship after Russia took over, it's not ethnic cleansing. It's visa enforcement,
Mearsheimer has 73 confirmed kills, though. The dude's just nuts with a pair of nunchucks.
man fuck that guy and his boneheaded pseudorealist positions. o ya fucking let Russia take Ukraine because they frame it as existential to the Russian nation. bullshit. the ruskie elite want power and control, and they'll settle for power and control over their own people if they can't have former SSR states too. they've collapsed before and they'll collapse again damnit, no sense taking their domestic messaging at face value. fuckin dork. who's paying him? he needs a slap and then a glossectomy if he still won't stop flapping.
>if they renounced their Ukrainian citizenship after Russia took over, it's not ethnic cleansing. It's visa enforcement,
Anyone who obtained a russian passport at any time in the last ten years gets deported back to russia. If they don't like it there, they can figure out how to emigrate to some paradise that's willing to accept them.
Frankly, every country in the world should do the same. Any russian citizen or passport holder gets sent back. They can apply for a visa or asylum or whatever from within russia. These morons act just like the morons from Africa and the Middle East: they fucked their own countries into a sewer and, like locusts, are trying to "migrate" somewhere else to shit all over and strip barren.
Fuck every God damned last one of them. Pool's Closed.
Helping Russia resolve its manpower shortage won't help much. Best follow up the mass deportation with nuclear first-strikes so the plague of Russians can never spread ever again, it's the only way to be sure.
>cut off supplies
>neptune all boats trying to boat in supplies
>patriot all supplies getting in by air
it's not that hard
there's no political will for this, see
Nobody gives a fuck about Ukrainian-inflicted civilian casualties
>Tell civilians they can just leave
>Have drones flying 24/7 to record Russians preventing them from leaving
>Anyone who stays starves or drains the military's supplies
invading and occupying Crimean property is not a human right, returning Crimea to Crimeans by forcing the removal of Russian transplants is "decolonization"
Maybe the real Commonwealth was the trail of dead Muscovites left in our wake?
Yes. Onward to Moscow. Liberate ancient Ukrainian territory.
So long as they keep giving us videos of slavshit getting blown up then I'm all for it.
Zelensky should be given nukes
This but unironically. Japan and Taiwan need nukes too
Who said I was being ironic
>so they can take back Crimea
Yes. The fact I get to watch my tax dollars finally do something useful like smear Vatniks across the countryside instead of paying for more IRS agents is fantastic
I support whatever will kill the most russians
uhmmm sorry sweaty but the russian's PWNED the nazi's in the great patriotic war, garden gnomes rock!
Whatever will lead to the most Russian casualties. I'm not too invested in the other results.
Whatever kills the most Ukrainians.
>these garden gnomes are insufferable
I know, that’s why we need to support the Ukrainian Nazis, so they can wipe out the garden gnomes.
Doing some quick math put the cost per US citizen for our support to Ukraine so far at just under $200. Really, most of our support has been in-kind stuff the boomers already paid or borrowed for 30 years ago so the cost to younger people is less than that.
$200 for 12 months is about $16/mo per citizen. Honestly, if you look at the value that this war has generated in terms of
-gopro war footage
-drone snuff flicks
-Armatard going silent for a few weeks before becoming completely unhinged
that's a pretty good subscription service. better value than netflix imo.
US Army doesn't have that many ATACMS.
Why give away stuff that you can't replenish any time soon?
ATACMS, and the army in general really isn't relevant to the other war we have to deal with, Taiwan. I don't support sending naval or non-obsolete air assets to Ukraine because we might need those in the pacific. Tanks? Artillery? We're not going to use those in a war with China over Taiwan. At worst, having those around just encourages DC to go on another sandbox adventure for Israel. If we have another nation willing to use them effectively to kill our rivals why not draw down stocks?
ATACMS can reach China from Taiwan.
Taiwan would be very happy to have them.
>Why give away stuff
None of it is given away it is paid for so the military get new shit.
>If I get my wife a 20 buck Starbucks gift card and give it to her who has my 20 bucks?
>In 2007, the U.S. Army terminated the ATACMS program due to cost, ending the ability to replenish stocks.
The US and its allies sunk trillions into the Middle East over 20 years for questionable results. In 12 months, Russia's military capabilities have been significantly reduced by giving the Ukrainians mostly old Cold War weapons.
Even the most skilled merchant would struggle to give you a better deal than that.
>$16/month to kill commieboo soviet larpers
I don't think I've ever gotten such a good deal before in my entire life.
97% of Crimeans voted to join Russia. Ukraine installed a dam to stop 90% of Crimea's fresh water, legally a war crime.
>97% of Crimeans voted to join Russia.
Just like how the 'vast majority' of people in Eastern Ukraine 'voted' to join the Russian Federation?
You might as well cite North Korean elections as proof that the DPRK is a genuine democracy.
Let me guess, you also believe that Donetsk and Luhansk didn't want independence from Ukraine after it became a CIA puppet state and even after Ukraine committed war crimes against women and children there, they'd still want to be part of Ukraine again? Right?
Turn off the news and turn on your brain you fucking dolt.
scuttle off back to your slum you lying tankie vermin before someone throws you in jail for selling steroids and needles
The conflict was killing single digit numbers of civilians most years after the first. Russia's forced conscription of the entire male population by proxy has effectively ethnically cleansed the Donbass, it is nothing but old men, women and children left.
Putin does not give a single fuck about the lives of Russian people. Only building his own myth.
>maidan was done by CIA
>bucha was done by MI6
>muh dumbass genocide
Give any country killing russians whatever weapons they want to kill more russians, and if anyone bitches about it nuke em
What is there to negotiate? If they're in a position to take Crimea then just take it and put this whole affair to a definitive end. Russia will never agree to any peace they want another forever war anyway.
>"have you ever tried just living your life and not sucking dicks?"
clearly words of a man who's never sucked a dick
HURR DURR DO ANYTHING TO START WW3 FUCKING ASSRAPING FUCKING MORON GODDAMN I AM NOT INTERESTED IN DYING IN NUCLEAR HELLFIRE FOR UKRAINE
Personally, my Russian friends who sold me stolen army gear are smart enough to avoid the bad shit so I’m in the camp of doing whatever continues to distract people from my own nefarious deeds like cheesing Heroes 3.
Yes please and thank you
>see more Vatnicks get blown apart in HD
>for the cost of buying everyone in the USA a Disney+ sub
I'm fine with it. But...
>Putin negotiating in good faith
He's more likely to nuke everyone. So I can live S.T.A.L.K.E.R. on my homestead IRL, which isn't so bad either; I'm nowhere near anywhere that is being targeted.
Yes. We should give Ukraine more weapons and ammo. We haven't done enough yet. We have so much more to give them. We should also start sending US citizens over there for mandatory humanitarian work.
Ukraine is literally just like Hogwarts when Lord Voldemort attacked the castle, they need The Avengers to step in and save the day! And the United States is obviously Captain America.
>We need to give Zelensky more weapons so they can take back Crimea. Do you support this?
Yes. Dead antifa morons are literally the best government program in the past 100 years.
Yes, I want more dead vatmorons.
>Yes, I want more dead vatmorons.
everybody likes that
Dick Cheney advocated at the end of the Cold War that not only should the USSR be broken up but Russia itself, "so it can never again threaten us"
(in Washington successful defiance and independence is seen as a threat)
Since the 1990s the US has privatized Russias assets and created a huge transfer in wealth out of the country that caused a major drop in its life expectancy and standard living
Meddled in Russian affairs and elections
Encircled it with NATO military bases
And encouraged breakaway seperatist movements
If Russia fears its future is at stake and risks humiliation and possible break up they might use nuclear weapons
My only regret is that we didn't try harder to murder the morons while they were down.
I mean, it sounds like it didn't work and they should have broken Russia even more.
>caused a major drop in its life expectancy
Clearly not enough when there are still millions of these subhumans around
>standards of living
>leftardism fails and runs out of shit to steal from otgers
>US did this
Cheney was wrong, it shouldn't have been broken up, it should have been nuked to glass.
Dick Cheney was in the losing faction of that debate for over a decade retard. Bush I propped your shithole country up in multiple ways from paying the salaries of your nuclear scientists to getting Ukraine to give up its nuclear weapons (in exchange for a promise that Russia would respect its sovereign territory, lol).
Then Chechnya and the 1993 constitutional crisis happened, Eastern Europe was forced to realize that Russia hadn't fundamentally changed and it was just a different gang of thugs running the show. The USA wasn't forcing anyone to join NATO, the sole enticement was NATO membership = Russia won't invade you.
>if russia fears humiliation it's gonna NOOK!
It brings no benefit and guarantees the state dies. And Russia has 100% put itself into this position where collapse is even a possibility. If Putin did almost anything except what he did, if he just took Novorossiya, if he didn't invade and made the US look like paranoid idiots and humiliate the Biden administration, etc Russia would be at no risk of collapse.
At a certain point you need to stop being a pussy about nukes. Nuclear blackmail never works. All they are is an assurance that the US won't invade you.
>Since the 1990s the US has privatized Russias assets and created a huge transfer in wealth out of the country that caused a major drop in its life expectancy and standard living
Yes, but the people who helped make that happen are the people now in charge of Russia. Putin can't hate the West for installing the kleptocracy her represents.
>Dick Cheney advocated at the end of the Cold War that not only should the USSR be broken up but Russia itself, "so it can never again threaten us"
And it is a great sorrow that the US didn't do it.
For the last near five hundred years ever since the formation of the Czardom in 1547, Russia has in some way been involved in most European conflicts—and nigh always on the wrong side. Imagine how happy a world we would live in if during the last 200 years Russia played no part in war—did not instigate it, did not participate in it. It is somewhat regrettable, but the dissolution of the Russian state—if not the eradication of the concept of a Russian Nation itself—is the only reasonable solution to World conflict.
No but I don't really care.
Russia has exposed themselves to the world they are not a threat so I'd rather spend the tax dollars domestically.
>Do you support this?
Russia is basically the sole reason for the chuding of the West including the anti-gun movement which threatens PrepHoles personal weapons. The moderate thing to do and the only way to reduce their debasement of our beloved PrepHole is to contain the vatniks yet again and bleed them out.
The idea would be extermination as just reprisal for what they did to my PrepHole, but I recognize that is far too moderate.
As eastern euro I know there can be no half measures with russia.
You either wipe them completely and cause a collapse or you look down the barrel another 30 years of malfeaseance, theft, kreml controlled political parties and terrorist movements and finally another georgia-ukraine
>if Putin fears losing Crimea, he will negotiate
He is already offering negotiations though? As in, "let us keep territories and we'll stop attacking (crossed fingers behind back)".
Nuke russia, unleash all manner of biological, radiological and chemical weapons, utilize satanist black magic and then salt their earth
Autonomous drones with mounted machine guns can then patrol the lands and hunt for survivors until the next century
I want russia to make the original Fallout look like a paradise
The right answer.
This is far too extreme a suggestion. You must be more of a moderate, my friend. How about we replace the sodium chloride with radium bromide salts?
Are you, by any chance, a moderate?
Ok Kiev takes Crimea and donbas. But what's next? All people there are speaking Russian therefore they can't ban Russian and have to switch to a two language thing which means federalization. Isn't Ukraine against it? How will they solve it, pro tip they can't.
>All people there are speaking Russian
Just like other 90% of Ukraine? If all russian speakers there didn't support Ukraine over Russia, this war actually would have ended in three days with victory of putin.
But most people in Crimea and Donbass don't support Zelensky . What do.
And why this is a problem? They will just vote for other party/politician.
Unless Ukraine gives them a lot of gibs they will just stick with Putin. IMHO
They can relocate to the great mother russia that they like and love so much, I'm confident that russia will become such a great place to live after the war is over.
They won't. And why would they if they lived there forever? Your dumb hohol fantasies don't work IRL.
>But most people in Crimea and Donbass don't support Zelensky .
Why did they vote for him then?
More weapons+ Ukraine chads = More dead vatniks
As much as I want this, I doubt even losing Crimea would make Putin quit, he would just play the "actually we are tactically retreating indefinitely from Crimea" and the Russian people will accept it because Putin controls the secret police.
If they lost Crimea then most certainly they would have already lost territory in the rest of Ukraine. And then Ukraine would join either NATO, EU or both. And that's a game over for Russia
fuck them up please
>very much related
No, instead I want every country in the western world to declare total war on Russia. Just stop fucking around and launch a full offensive with a hundred armies. March to Moscow and kill every living thing. Enough with this pussy ass shit.
Do you think that terrorist attacks on Russian civilians would hasten the end or prolong the war?
>should we fight our enemies
Why do you ask?
Partially related, I think the reason for the supposed Ukrainian upcoming offensive on Transnistria is similar on a smaller scale. Russia has "only" lost men and equipment so far. Ukraine and allies want to threaten Russia to lose something that appears on a map.
i support anything that means more dead vatniks
Yes, we need to bomb Crimea children because there are no more kids left in Bambas