Water

How do you deal with water in the field? I wear a nalgene in an insulated pouch (pic related), and and MSR hyperflow filter + iodine in my pack. Don't really have much love for bladders on the back.

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Camelbak in backpack/on plate carrier depending on use.
    Additional titanium bottle in similar pouch as one you posted.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Camelbak in backpack/on plate carrier depending on use.
      >Additional titanium bottle in similar pouch as one you posted.
      FP absolute BP
      The biggest issue most people have with water is NOT DRINKING ENOUGH. Having some on hand constantly and getting into the habit of small regular sips is very good. Additionally, since a lot of my innawoods time is when it's below freezing a camelbak or the like has zero issue staying liquid purely from being against my back and effectively makes further use of my body heat. A double walled vacuum titanium canteen (and starting with warm water in it) helps or a pouch with enough insulation but not for as low weight and ease as a backpack integrated one against my back, it's an addition and good for processing water (letting it sit with iodine while disinfecting) before refilling the camelbak.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >fellow titanium chad
        Very nice. Truly a material of the future. Let the steel or, allah forgive me for uttering such word, a pl*stic plebeians wallow in their filth while we look down upon them.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This, there are insulated camelback pouches as well. Then you just can carry a rolled up filter bag to refill it

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    don't be gay, use a bladder and refill with canteens, it's far more convenient on the move.
    Just don't be retarded. Drain all the air from the bladder before you head out.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Bladders break all the fucking time

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        because dumb boots don't suck the air out

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >How do you deal with water in the field?
    Depends on what you mean by "in the field"
    How long in the field? What kind of environment? What sort of situation am I "in the field" for? Most military shit I always keep a camelback filled with all air removed, in addition to two full canteens. When "in the field" at my regular job I just bring a gallon of water and leave it in the work truck and just drink when I'm done in whatever tree I'm in. When I was on the Appalachian Trail I had a camel back that I filled at streams and just had an inline sawyer mini.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >inline sawyer mini
      Didn't know that was a thing. Very cool.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I actually didn't realize it could be used inline on a bladder when I left for the trail. The gay squeezing bullshit was just too time consuming so I cut up the line and it just happened to fit perfectly.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Not as good as it sounds, since it means your bladder is contaminated now, and you have to suck harder.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I use KMnO4 for purification 2g per dkL and wait 30m to 1h. use charcoal sticks after for toxins/heavy metals. in camp we have a still for water in unsafe areas. just use a single Jerry can for days water per squad. and everyone fills their one steel canteen with distilled water and their one plastic canteen with treated water. distilled water is only drunk after treated is all gone to help with empty stomachs at that point.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Camelbak and/or Nalgene bottles, or the kirkland smartwater knockoff disposables. Kirkland bottles are the lightest but they cost money and I feel bad about killing the polar bears. I retire my CamelBaks annually. The Nalgene bottles last forever. Get one of the reducer lids for Nalgene bottles so you're not splashing yourself.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Canteen on my hip; filter, funnel, and purification tabs plus a deflated water bag in a gallon square bucket in my bag. If I'm going camping for any length of time backcountry I bring a still. I live somewhere with a shitload of ground and sky water though.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Keep it simple.
    Just canteens. Camelbacks are ok-ish, but I prefer hard containers like canteen bottles. Best thing about them is that you can just slap more of them into your gear.

    In Vietnam, the average amount of water a soldier carried with him was anywhere between 4-10 litres, the average being six. Just add more canteens for your preference. Shit just works.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >between 4-10 litres, the average being six
      Seven. Seven is average from amount you mentioned.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        He probably meant the mode, which is an average, you knuckle dragging gay.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Uh-uh.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        no, that's the midpoint between 4 and 10
        you can have a set of data where the maxium value is 10, the minimum is 4, and the average is 6

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Elaborate

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Elaborate
            Look, there are three kinds of averages.
            >median
            The exact center of the data set.
            >mode
            The most common number in the data set
            >mean
            Divide the total gross of the numbers in the data set by the number of entries. This is most-commonly what people mean when they say "average", and is usually what's going on when you see a non-whole number for things that should be whole numbers.
            >controlled mean
            Usually eliminates every result that's more than a couple standard deviations away from the median. Or just crops an arbitrary number from the top and bottom. This is most useful in extremely broad data sets.

            >sample data set
            4 4 4 4 4 4 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 6 6 6 6 6 8 8 8 9 9 10 11 12

            >Median
            Out of the 27 entries, # 14 (the dead center) is a "6". Six is the median average
            >mode
            There are eight instances of "5". The next-highest is the six instances of "4". Five is the modal average.
            >mean
            (6*4)+(8*5)+(5*6)+(3*8)+(2*9)+10+11+12 = 169
            169/27 = 6.259~r
            This gives you a mean average of 6.26.

            People often select one or another to bias the data set to their rhetorical point, or to eliminate weird shit caused by statistical outliers and spam. If a couple of people own half-billion dollar mansions in an otherwise normal neighborhood, then a mean average of property values will ALWAYS be skewed dramatically upwards. A modal average will be skewed by something like a rent-controlled condo complex, where many people are paying the same amount that again may not reflect the overall composition of the neighborhood outside their building. A median average will usually control for extreme outliers but also has difficulty eliminating spam. Generally speaking the median and the mean averages will be pretty close, while the mode is almost completely arbitrary.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              saved this post

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I highly recommend looking up the book "How to Lie With Statistics". Read it in fifth grade. It was one of my most useful math books growing up and I bought a copy as soon as I had my own place. I still use it to explain practical statistics theory to people 30+ years later.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        He probably meant the mode, which is an average, you knuckle dragging gay.

        Obviously you cave dwelling troglodytes have no sense of context. He means the SOLDIERS carried 6 liters average.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        retard

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      They would have all carried and preferred camelbacks if they existed dipshit

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    For hunting I put 1-1.5L in my 3L platypus bladder, and I carry a 1L Nalgene on me, and have a sawyer mini filter

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Stainless steel canteen, stainless steel bottles to refill from. Absolutely never for any reason drink water thats been in contact with plastic or aluminum.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ahh yes, chromium consumption is so much preferable.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Titanium once again proves to be the true master race.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Ahh yes, chromium consumption is so much preferable.

          Stainless steel canteen, stainless steel bottles to refill from. Absolutely never for any reason drink water thats been in contact with plastic or aluminum.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >fellow titanium chad
          Very nice. Truly a material of the future. Let the steel or, allah forgive me for uttering such word, a pl*stic plebeians wallow in their filth while we look down upon them.

          >Titanium toxicity can elicit a number of symptoms, including fatigue, headaches, blurring of vision, respiratory inflammation, lymphedema, and hyperpigmentation of the nails and skin, cancer, sexual dysfunction (premature ejaculation), brights diseas, lupis

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I've just made up a quote to make you give me (you)s
            Here is your 1 (one) (you), now you can go back along the ranks of plebs.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              https://zeramexusa.com/titanium-toxicity/
              https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352344120301527
              https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6409289/

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >all the links talk about how ridiculously rare it is and only in case of some titanium implants
                >retard-kun still baits further
                Fine, have another (you).

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                And the only people getting g alluminum poisoning are breathing I dustrial fumes or drinking their industrial sludge from some 3rd world shithole, but you didn't seem to try and bring that up when the tard mentioned alluminum.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Why would I care about aluminium?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Titanium is non-toxic even in large doses and does not play any natural role inside the human body. An estimated quantity of 0.8 milligrams of titanium is ingested by humans each day, but most passes through without being absorbed in the tissues.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            So don't try to eat your water bottle then you fucking idiot

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes.

        >Absolutely never for any reason drink water thats been in contact with plastic or aluminum.
        Yet I bet you constantly shoot lead without a second thought lol.

        Lead doesn't cause alzheimers like aluminum or feminization like plastic. Just good ol fashion cancer and cognitive decline, I'm ok with those.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Alluminum consumption can cause lots of problems, alzheimers isn't one of them.
          That's was a debunked theory, injected into the zeitgeist by a throwaway line from Ryan Reynolds in smoking aces.
          There's no consensus on the cause of alzheimers is excessive mouth bacteria, traveling up nerves effecting protiens in the brain.
          Alluminum can cause similar side effects as lead, but the alluminim oxide costing that forms on the surface of Alluminum nearly instantly is very resistant to chemical or mechanical degradation, making ingestion unlikely, most alluminum poisoning comes from people working in industrial settings, or ingesting wierd alluminum compounds from industrial runoff.
          Similar with lead and mercury honestly, elemental lead and mercury isn't much of an issue, but organic compounds of them are horrible.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Absolutely never for any reason drink water thats been in contact with plastic or aluminum.
      Yet I bet you constantly shoot lead without a second thought lol.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Hydrapak 3L, the thicker walled one forget what it's called
    1L nalgene for backup but mostly for non-drinking water, cooking hygiene ect
    Hydroblu ultrafilter with addon activated carbon, comes with 2 collapsible water bags one I use for dirty water and the other for clean. I use this refill the bladder and nalgene
    Backup water purification is chlorine dioxide tablets or boiling the water in my pot if it looks really bad and I have the time. A wapi saves some time and fuel here if you boil water regularly.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >sturdy primary canteen
    >however many smartwater type bottles are needed
    >pump filter
    >purification drops
    am I missing anything? pump filters are heavier and a little annoying to use but seem the best option for quickly filling up at one stop

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Its the quickest way that doesn't require carrying unpurified water like an inline filter. It's heavier than gravity filtration and I've never had to move so constantly that I didn't have time to filter some water but I understand the use case. Consider chlorine dioxide for your drops unless your filter is fine enough for viruses, a minor concern in North America but it's not like one kind of drops or tablets is much heavier than another.

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    So what I'm getting ITT is I need glass.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Titanium. It is literally the healthiest, sturdiest and lightest option.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Other than the cancer and impotency, and 30 other diseases it gives you.
        And that nearly all titanium products come from china.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Other than the cancer and impotency, and 30 other diseases it gives you.
          Yes, also it curses your offspring for three generations.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            It does cause genetic damage, so that's a possibility.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              No, no it does not. Even in cases where you get half of your hip replaced by a titanium implant these issues are extremely rare and on par with statistical error. You have posted it yourself.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Other anon is also being a retarded gay with that weasel shit because you can just as easily and MORE accurately say "going outside does cause genetic damage, so that's a possibility" or "climbing a mountain" or a million other things. Go higher in altitude? You get more cosmic ray exposure. Go out from cover? Ultraviolet light. Have any granite around? Natural uranium exposure. Blah blah. We didn't evolve in a pristine shielded test tube, we have lots of layers of genetic repair and so on. Things that aren't significantly above background level just aren't worth an iota of concern.

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I distill and drink my own urine.
    But the distilling rig is kind of big to bring out in the field, so I usually just drink water there.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      zozzle

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Katadyn pocket filter + tablets for viruses
    Camelbak + Ti bottle for filling and youre good to go

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    OP here. After reading this thread, and digging more, there is absolutely no substitute for the MSR Guardian.
    >filters everything including heavy metals, viruses, bacteria, protozoa
    >16oz, but does it all
    >cant be killed by freezing
    >backflushes itself
    >works with any material container or bladder
    >2.5L/m so you don't expose yourself getting water
    Tbh reading about how much soldiers dealt with dysentery in warzones, it's not even a question that you need a virus filter and need something durable that won't die in frosty weather.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      sounds real nea-
      >400 dollars
      nevemind

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Stop being poor

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