Bakhmut isn't fundementaly important. However it is best to wring from Russia as high a cost as you can while minimizing casualties. Ukraine offensives will come when Ukraine is ready and when and where it is smart to attack. Don't be wasteful.
>Keep inflicting heavy casualties on retarded russians. >"Thank you for admitting that Ukraine is finished! Hail Wagner!"
A lobotomy would be an improvement for you.
Or maybe >not base your entire approach on retarded trench warfare for no good reason and waste precious manpower like that
Even if Russia’s doing it, doesn’t mean that’s how you should be fighting them
Because officially Wagner casualties are NOT counted as Russian Armed Forced casualties, if 5000 Fagners die that number won't be ever presented as RF loses so there's no need to hide it, unlike with regular troops loses.
Yeah convicts shouldn’t count, Wagner is extremely based for using penal battalions if we only we were so but also we’ve done it in burgerland too our deaths are something like 130k if you include vet suicides lmao
At this point you just abandon the city. Ukraine has already over-invested in its defense. Get more mileage out of better defensive positions further northwest.
When Ukraine abandons they'll retreat to the actual defensive line (the idea was Bakhmut falling after like a week or two, then holding at that line; Russia got bogged down harder than any one expected LMAO)
Hopefully the ukranians are inflicting disproportionate casualties because otherwise I cant see a reason why they kept reinforcing Bakhmut so long.
The more resources they invested in it the more symbolic importance for losing it would have. You can say the city isnt important on an operational scale but it will give the Russia a morale boost since they can still advance even against full might of hato zionist nazis
I believe a lot of that has to do with how intact a city is, because every building can offer protection while attackers tend to be more exposed. As a city gets more bombed theres less advantage in defending it, things get closer to what a battle in an open field would be. At such points you must retreat.
If they are using proper tactics, they will pull back to another defensive line, and get some reserves around to block any potential breakthroughs. Though they’d be wise to do a fighting withdrawal to slow them down too
>zoom in enough that the cauldroned russian front looks like an encirclement
What is the tactical advantage of portraying your military catastrophe as an success?
>pour in more reinforcements into a cauldron after the Wagner PMC owner specifically told zelensky to not retreat from bakhmut that this was the main event and it would break the Ukrainian army if they retreated >the fucking retards actually do it and then lose Soledar, eventually get roads under fire control
When you gays learn, it’s literally only Wagner there and they’re bulked up with more men than they previously had in those Ukrainian counter offensives like you dumb fucks now know that Russia can plug the gaps so it’s only Wagner doing complex maneuvers in bakhmut, a modern hammer and anvil strategy, or at least that’s what I would’ve said if those madchads somehow began to make it for the last major line of defense in chasiv yar
Pro Ukrainian map said ivanistan or whatever was gonna be their focus point to defend this new pocket now thah chasiv is under threat
Seriously did no one notice wagnerchads are outside of chasiv yar now? They can literally buttfuck both sides and yet the Ukrainian high command says they have a plan and created a pocket command
tbh wtf
I wonder if NATO IS actually retarded since the only good thing they did this entire war is the Kharkov Blitzkreig but that's about it and that's not even a genious move the Ruskis just happened to not have enough men to man that front, they should have mobilized pretty much since month 1
Even Russian sources are saying that there are less than 3k ukies left in Bakhmut itself. The big fights are happening on the flanks as we speak
This is hilarious. Russia is gonna completely break themselves on bakhmut and it's not even the last city in donetsk oblast to capture
>This is hilarious. Russia is gonna completely break themselves on bakhmut and it's not even the last city in donetsk oblast to capture
Both of those points is exactly what they are doing, pulling troops out of the city to protect the flanks whilst the rest withdraw
why not both? Lure Russians out of fortified positions then counter-attack
surely they wouldnt fall for that again
Bakhmut isn't fundementaly important. However it is best to wring from Russia as high a cost as you can while minimizing casualties. Ukraine offensives will come when Ukraine is ready and when and where it is smart to attack. Don't be wasteful.
>we didn't need it anyway
>Thanks for the honest admission that this shilling campaign is mostly paid by Wagner.
Its cool. Those wagner bois deserve the coffins the regular RF infantry aren't getting.
Thank you based degenerate criminals.
>Keep inflicting heavy casualties on retarded russians.
>"Thank you for admitting that Ukraine is finished! Hail Wagner!"
A lobotomy would be an improvement for you.
I doubt he could survive a second one.
Slava reddita
Definitely not going to survive a second one.
Or maybe
>not base your entire approach on retarded trench warfare for no good reason and waste precious manpower like that
Even if Russia’s doing it, doesn’t mean that’s how you should be fighting them
only a bigger retard would suggest maneuver warfare during rasputitsa
You are either going to carry out Putin's orders or tell him his plans are stupid and hes retarded
the bigger force wins in attrition warfare.
RuAF is the bigger force.
>the bigger force wins in attrition warfare.
only if you can trade casualties on favorable terms, 10 000 JDAM soon
Ukraine isn't suffering attrition.
yea
>the bigger force wins in attrition warfare.
>RuAF is the bigger force.
Post eastern front of WWI.
sure, Triple Entente's greatest victory
Literal monkey brain. Can only repeat the horseshit youve been fed since birth
are you going to maneuver with riflemen only?
Retarded question
it's either that or armor stuck in mud
Wrong, retard. There is no place for trench warfare in any modern military doctrine under any conditions in any landscape
>t.
imagine the smell
Lmao at least the Ukrainians have record and remember their dead.
Ruski just gets raped and blown up by himars so he's unrecognizable
HIMARS are used against high-value targets, not your average RuAF front-line soldier
Unless he his sitting on a ammo dumb and doing his new year celebration. Still a lot of mobiks missing from this party
That's a lot of dead Wagner vatnigs, damn. Surprised they decided to put them in body bags and coffins. Usually they don't even collect them.
Because officially Wagner casualties are NOT counted as Russian Armed Forced casualties, if 5000 Fagners die that number won't be ever presented as RF loses so there's no need to hide it, unlike with regular troops loses.
Yeah convicts shouldn’t count, Wagner is extremely based for using penal battalions if we only we were so but also we’ve done it in burgerland too our deaths are something like 130k if you include vet suicides lmao
reinforce.
Withdraw but leave a note calling Putin a fag.
>ongoing
>6 months, 3 weeks and 6 days
option 3:
>nuke tel aviv
looks like they're just abolishing the joint forces
At this point you just abandon the city. Ukraine has already over-invested in its defense. Get more mileage out of better defensive positions further northwest.
>lose over 30k soldiers to capture 500 soldiers
do russians really?
When Ukraine abandons they'll retreat to the actual defensive line (the idea was Bakhmut falling after like a week or two, then holding at that line; Russia got bogged down harder than any one expected LMAO)
Hopefully the ukranians are inflicting disproportionate casualties because otherwise I cant see a reason why they kept reinforcing Bakhmut so long.
The more resources they invested in it the more symbolic importance for losing it would have. You can say the city isnt important on an operational scale but it will give the Russia a morale boost since they can still advance even against full might of hato zionist nazis
assuming everything else is equal (it won't be, but ok), it's harder to retake a town than defend it. what's more, the highway is logistically useful.
I believe a lot of that has to do with how intact a city is, because every building can offer protection while attackers tend to be more exposed. As a city gets more bombed theres less advantage in defending it, things get closer to what a battle in an open field would be. At such points you must retreat.
>otherwise I cant see a reason
how are you missing the obvious: they're fucking retarded.
smarter than their big neighbour
>I cant see a reason why they kept reinforcing Bakhmut so long.
It's as retarded as Severodonetsk or Mariupol or even Kherson
Got a problem? Throw more white men at it
I wonder if there is at least one old babushka refusing to leave bakmur during all this. Just stubbornly staying in a shack
If they are using proper tactics, they will pull back to another defensive line, and get some reserves around to block any potential breakthroughs. Though they’d be wise to do a fighting withdrawal to slow them down too
Good bait. Tourists and retads fell for it easily
>6 months to not capture one small city
if they maintain this pace it will literally take them 27 years and 250,000 vehicles.
>zoom in enough that the cauldroned russian front looks like an encirclement
What is the tactical advantage of portraying your military catastrophe as an success?
>small town meant to last for seven days while ukies prepare a second line of defense
>seven months later it's still standing
what happened
This thread, and the other ones, are very organic
We've already had these ukronazikohoikhhhholols surrounded for 5 months
just 5 more months zister, don't stop dilating now we've almost made it
>pour in more reinforcements into a cauldron after the Wagner PMC owner specifically told zelensky to not retreat from bakhmut that this was the main event and it would break the Ukrainian army if they retreated
>the fucking retards actually do it and then lose Soledar, eventually get roads under fire control
When you gays learn, it’s literally only Wagner there and they’re bulked up with more men than they previously had in those Ukrainian counter offensives like you dumb fucks now know that Russia can plug the gaps so it’s only Wagner doing complex maneuvers in bakhmut, a modern hammer and anvil strategy, or at least that’s what I would’ve said if those madchads somehow began to make it for the last major line of defense in chasiv yar
Pro Ukrainian map said ivanistan or whatever was gonna be their focus point to defend this new pocket now thah chasiv is under threat
Seriously did no one notice wagnerchads are outside of chasiv yar now? They can literally buttfuck both sides and yet the Ukrainian high command says they have a plan and created a pocket command
tbh wtf
I wonder if NATO IS actually retarded since the only good thing they did this entire war is the Kharkov Blitzkreig but that's about it and that's not even a genious move the Ruskis just happened to not have enough men to man that front, they should have mobilized pretty much since month 1