Repeatedly, even.
>could've deterred Russia from invading if it'd been properly aided
>could've broken through the Russian line on winter, back when the latter hadn't finished mining but the crucial aid kept getting postponed until late spring
>even then, the current offensive could've succeeded if the decision to give aircraft was done much earlier
There's no way that NATO, after running through lots of military simulation, wouldn't know that it's impossible to launch the spring counter-offensive without circling around the Russian territories, and no way they didn't inform the political leaders about that. That's just one example of it.
What happened this time?
Landing ships destroyed, Russian Avdiivka offensive is a tragic catastrophe, assblasted that their thee day war turned into a meatgrinder not in their favor and the only way they can cope is by concern trolling 'NATO' that their not doing enough, which is an incredibly weird cope, but OK whatever floats their Moskva I suppose..
some polack got triggered. buzz off. op is asking legit question.
Aid to Ukraine is coming to an end in 2024 because the war isn't popular and Joe really can't have that albatross around his neck at the voting booth. The United States has entered a state of "m-maybe you can just negotiate with Russia" which is code for just letting Putin have whatever land he sent thousands of people to senselessly go and die for. Zelensky looks like an asshole who has had a Truman Show-style simulation built around him, only for the rug to get pulled once he stopped being useful to military industrial industries and western politicians. Lastly you have NAFO troons like
running a PR campaign so embarrassingly shit across social media that anyone who tries to weigh in on this war in any reasonable sense is called a putin shill if they raise questions about anything, or suspect the USA might not send tens of billions of dollars to Ukraine every month until the end of time to ensure it may remain a country. Overall the situation is the mess most analysts predicted it would be, but the public was fed bullshit (as always) by an administration even more corrupt than Dubya's. By the end of 2024 Ukraine will be about as relevant as wearing a mask in public, and we'll either be putting up with more of orange man or watching the world come to the brink of collapse over Taiwan.
Wow something really do go bad for the pidors
You see what I'm talking about? This is who is infesting the internet like roaches. It's especially bad on this board, I can't tell if they're piled in here deliberately or the mods are absolute shit at shooing them away. You can't discuss this war without Indians-on-porn-site tier retarded comments. I'm guessing it's not anything formally paid for by the US government or they would be spamming over Israel instead.
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/north-atlantic-fellas-organization-nafo.171587/
>Kiwifarms
>>NAFO
lmao, seething
you aren't discussing anything, you are making unsupported claims, yelling your position in a wall of dog whistle bullshit.
why don't you start by demonstrating your first claim, 'aid to Ukraine is coming to an end in 2024 because the war isn't popular'? we can discuss it then. as it is, i may as well wade in and state that Russia will have collapsed by then and it would just be shitflinging, which isn't discussion.
>you are making unsupported claims
Please go 42% yourself, NAFO troon.
>Russell Brand
WDHMBT
'washed up contrarian sex pests that support Russia' club
>Unironically posting Russel Brand
Lmao
give me a timestamp which evidences your first claim then?
I watched it. Basically it's
>rossya STRONK
>Ukraine is western puppet
>weapons shipped to Ukraine get sold elsewhere
>you can't beat Russia so why even try?*~~)
>posts 5 minutes after the initial post "yeah I watched the whole 23 minute vid"
Rent free you tranny obsessed freak
You tried to post that worthless zigger propaganda video before, subhuman. Most people have better than your goldfish memory. Kys.
What, did you two get done fucking each other in the ass in the "war room" and coalesce back into the thread with a new "battle plan"? Or did your search for any recent articles of Zelensky getting more money fall through? NAFO troons are pathetic, when this is over you'll be a laughing stock on /k/ for the next decade minimum. You know it's bad when even /misc/ clowns on you.
So you got proven wrong and are now seething.
Honestly you kept your cool for longer than I thought so kudos
If you receive evidence and ignore it then there's no helping you. Although these threads turn into petty slapfights anyway and it's not like the ziggers are the ones instigating that sort of thing.
>Evidence
>post /misc/ screenshot
So less than worthless.
The kiwifarms thread is especially telling.
You can look at screencaps and they type like hysterical women just like they do ITT. Not to mention the few replies to that post, you know they would have tried to commit homicide if this wasn't over the internet.
i would rather shoot a zigger than talk to em yea
Why are you talking to yourself still. You've proven multiple times you get your sources from /misc/ which might as well be the equivalent of getting news from a tabloid that claims the moon isn't real.
>look at my proofs!
>posts a greentext
>it's not like the ziggers are the ones instigating that sort of thing
>I-ITS NOT USE WHO ARE THE MEANIES HERE
you retards do realise that because of your constant spam and shitflinging it's incredibly easy to notice you right?
Not to mention that if you get any pushback at all you immediately do ballistic
>you retards do realise that because of your constant spam and shitflinging it's incredibly easy to notice you right?
Oh the irony
So nice to have you fags out yourselves as newfag tourists so easily
Fuck off back to your cesspool
What's so ironic about him calling out your behaviour and your constant attempts at projecting it upon everyone else, zigger troon?
You've so far failed abysmally to present evne a singular shred of actual evidence, pidor. No, posting shitty old YT propaganda videos, fucking twitter posts and ESPECIALLY fucking /misc/ screenshots does not make evidence outside your delusiuns.
Again, stop talking to yourself, schizo.
do you agree your approach to discussion isn't promoting discussion though? you've refused to actually discuss your points and instead opted for personal attacks (on an anonymous basket weaving forum lel) and efforts to brand those who disagree with you as paid/organised/nation state funded like the conspiratorial mouthbreathing twit you appear to be.
The entire video is relevant, he's covering an interview Zelensky gave and you aren't getting a 3 second soundbyte to dismiss like the other bots posting.
Seriously, look at these tranny wastes of oxygen getting bent out of shape over a URL. They know it's so packed with evidence of their homosexualry. The absolute worst propagandists in human history and they couldn't accomplish their one goal of keeping Ukraine funded.
>so packed with evidence
Really? Because so far you posted a link about NAFO on kiwifarms and a fucking Russel Brand video, which just regurgitates the same tired old tropes we've been hearing for a year and more
I guess all of that shit was entirely correct and you'll just have to cope then, since those talking points you ignored came true and Ukraine's not getting western support.
https://time.com/6319238/government-funding-bill-ukraine-aid-dropped/
>Dated October 1
>Dated November 1
Wrong again Ivan
>an entire month of being proven you're a homosexual
>even reddit is pointing out nafo in the replies
lel
https://www.reddit.com/r/PrepHole/comments/14xkoj2/zelensky_goes_to_the_nato_summit/
>of being proven
Of you being proven wrong? Lol
>you're a homosexual
Ooh, you're boiling
>since those talking points you ignored
Okay let's talk about them.
>aid to Ukraine is gonna stop
It isn't
>Donated weapons and equipment are sold on the black market
It isn't
>Russia can't be defeated
It can and was, multiple times
>NATO encroached on Russia
It didn't
>donated weapons are stolen(again)
They weren't
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-11-09/pentagon-says-it-s-throttling-ukraine-aid-as-funding-push-stalls
inb4 "actually going from 40 billion to 1 billion isnt a loss"
>Paid news site
not reading that homosexual
>Ukraine's not getting western support.
Okay, what's this then?
https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3578754/biden-administration-announces-new-security-assistance-for-ukraine/
Is this a link to Zelensky begging for credit cards to buy more guns with?
>oink oink
Sorry, what?
>The money later was approved separately
>both Schumer and Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky pledged to move quickly to try and pass the full White House request
>Sen. Jim Risch of Idaho, the top Republican on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said Ukraine should not be deterred, and that aid can be approved by other means.
>“Neither our friends nor our enemies should look at this as being some change in the United States’ commitment to Ukraine,” Risch said.
Welcome to politics anon.
see, for example:
https://apnews.com/article/mike-johnson-israel-ukraine-immigration-gop-agenda-e4054f12f83cfaa09044aa3d087396a8
Uh oh, how is he gonna cope this time?
You can see how in the post above.
>exactly one repost timer apart
Also Ryan Johnson isn't funding anything anymore. Punch his name into any search engine to find piles of articles saying as much. If Zelesnky is begging for money right now and not getting it (and he appears to be) then he's simply not getting more. All this following
where his current funding was axed to a literal 1/40th of his initial budget.
Cope
>literal empty claim from /misc/
You. Need. To. Go. Back.
this is the part where you tell me you weren't the anon who claimed that funding was going to stop because the war is unpopular and then posted a russell brand video as evidence of your claims
as it stands, that claim has been demonstrated bollocks and you're reduced to posting partisan news articles about political grandstanding in america during election season
>he's covering an interview Zelensky gave
what does that have to do with your claim that the Ukraine war is unpopular in the USA? can you see why your approach to responses does not promote discussion? instead of demonstrating your unsourced claims, you're trying to have me go watch an unsourced 24 minute youtube video
>instead of giving sources you gave me a 25 minute video covering news from the past day attached to a channel with even more videos of that same nature
Jeez, keep projecting there, you absolute incompüetnet nincompoop. The fucking pajeet spammers are better at spreading russian propaganda than you are right now.
>incompüetnet
Silence ZOGbot
>unironically posting the farms
Doxxfags deserve the rope.
>Kiwi link
Seriously, have a nice day. Immediately.
>kiwifarms
>the place that convinced CWC to be a tranny
Oh no no no vatnik bros
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/11/01/mike-johnson-israel-ukraine-immigration-gop-agenda/be515f84-78fd-11ee-97dd-7a173b1bd730_story.html
>WASHINGTON — New Speaker Mike Johnson told Republican senators Wednesday that a fresh Ukraine aid package linked to U.S. border security will come quickly in the House, as soon as lawmakers wrap up the $14.5 billion Israel aid package that is heading for passage later this week.
>baseless claims
>unsupported supposition
>garden path logic
yea
Yes, Ukraine is why Biden wouldn’t get re elected.
>war in ukraine
>war in middle east (again)
>expected war in taiwan
Three wars in four years. The man undeniably needs better PR. Unless they rig it so hard that elections formally don't matter anymore.
>>war in ukraine
Started by Russia
>>war in middle east (again)
Started by Hamas
war in taiwan
To be started by China.
Tell me again how all of these are Bidens fault?
Why do we need to be involved in any of them?
>please stop supporting ukraine, we're winning!
lol
Do you know who threatened repercussions if NATO countries didnt increase their budget and gave the ukkies the javelins? Yes, him, now go look for spme better cope.
LMAO. Biden's about to push through 60 billion in aid and give the Ukrainians accesss to the 300 billion worth of frozen russian forex reserves.
How does it feel to keep losing, pidor?
No! That's russian money! You cant do that! NNNNNOOOOOO!
That will never happen, we're on life support
Oh but it will. Deal with it.
You heard me, pidor.
LMAO, butthurt much that your copy-pasted propaganda nonsense is getting called out for being as worthless as it is? Too bad, ziggie.
Keep lying and projecting this incompetently, you're undemrining your own propaganda cause quite well.
>when even /misc/ clowns on you
Jeez, you subhuman retard can't but keep outing yourself.
Go. Back.
PS: Given the obsession about "NAFO troons" I can only conclude that you are indeed a genuine zigger tranny. YWNBAW.
You're unironically worse than Russian posters. You share all the qualities they do
>beg for proofs and then ignore it
>immediately hostile the moment you spot an internet post you dislike
>all arguments boil down to "I will NEVER listen to you I will ONLY try to kill you I HATE you and we will NEVER make peace" like
>if I throw your posts into one of those IQ text estimate tools it comes back lower than 90
>general partisan homosexualry over a war you arent participating in
>no answers to basic questions such as "Why would the United States fund an overseas war forever?"
except you aren't plaguing Dota allchat or polak message boards, your homosexualry is right here and it's further smothering a board that used to be alright.
>Why would the United States fund an overseas war forever?"
To kill more russians? They can leave at any time and the war will end you know.
>proofs
Your proofs have been so far 4 things
>kiwifarms thread
Garbage not worth the servers to keep running.
>Russell Brand video
lol. lmao.
>Time article
Horribly out of date
>/misc/ screenshots.
See comment about the Russell Brand video.
Post guns and hand now.
>bloomberg article that isnt even 24 hours old
>out of date
You don't read anything you are given because you are here to cheerlead, not to discuss things. You're a propaganda wing and you do it for free.
>Paid article
Either post the archive or fuck off nagger
You didn't even read the article did you. It says out of 40 billion there is currently 1 billion left to spend in the package. Congress will need to pass another aid package. Something that is already happening in the House. You are a massive retard who can only post links you found on /misc/.
Hand and gun now. Left hand specifically.
arguing with americans is a waste of time
>and then ignore it
You posted a Russel brand video and a /misc/ screenshot
hostile the moment you spot an internet post you dislike
Because people know you and know your methods retard, don't try to act innocent
>>no answers to basic questions such as "Why would the United States fund an overseas war forever?"
1) it's not forever
2) they would fund it because it means one of their biggest geopolitical rivals gets completely neutered for very little actual cost
>and it's further smothering a board that used to be alright.
The absolute audacity of this nagger
/k/ died when you could no longer grab an SKS for less than a pair of decent work boots. Feds or wannabe feds like you are just vandalizing the graveyard, unless you really think this thread was good and productive and anything but a bunch of NAFO troons having a meltie.
When will you and all your ilk finally realise that you aren't wanted here? Everyone ITT can see exactly what you're doing because we've seen it all a thousand times before.
Probably never. Maybe you'll get lucky and find the mod of this shithole in some Discord group and you can send him dick pics for whitelisted proxies, just like the PrepHole one.
https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/656626392/
>Incoherent seething about an unrelated topic
>PrepHole
*yawn*
>muh poor russia
You subnaggers just need to leave and you'll stop dieing. Simple as. Read the room, no one wants russia there, and no one here wants you here.
>no one here wants you here
posting like a woman will not make you one, sir
Maybe you should stop screeching like one every time someone tells you to fuck off then
Do you think these tards are paid by the post or do they do it for free?
rent free
when all the regional conflicts where we’ve had our fair share of meddling start popping off, its going to be pretty kino. The reality is that acting as “peacekeeping” force and getting involved in places we have no business in has its long term consequences. Its created an endless cycle of attempting to fix a problem that we created in trying to address another problem.
Maybe it wont happen; the modern world is too dependent on global trade. But we have to acknowledge that the world police gimmick can come crashing down fast as soon as a second major player (china/iran/dprk) decides to take advantage of the situation.
>a second major player (china/iran/dprk)
Wasn't sure if it was bait up to that point, but you dropped the ball. 6/10.
kabul
>Was Ukraine stabbed in the back by its Western allies?
YES.
NATO's mail goal isn't for Ukraine to win, but to kill as many Russians as possible.
If you suggest that you will get called a vatnik, but deep down you fucking know it is truth. it took 6 fucking months for m777 to start to get delivered and 18 fucking months for ballistic missiles.
I get a fear of provoking Russia into a war, but once they attacked all bets should have been off.
fuck off
>but to kill as many Russians as possible.
Whoa, based.
>stabbed in the back
Nah, western politicians are just sissy men and women, afraid of "poking the bear" lmao.
Well actually, some are bought by cheap gas and bribes but they are in a minority.
>t. armchair homosexual
Graduate to professional homosexual if you want to share your retarded blathering with the class. Those commies were always on the bubble since the '30's.
>haha, Ukraine isn't winning fast enough!
2nd most powerful army in the world, ladies and gentlemen
>2nd most powerful army in the world, ladies and gentlemen
Actually, U.S. News and World report recently named Russia the most powerful military in the world: https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/rankings/strong-military
>dont worry, its worse
The very definition of russia
No rupees for this low-effort piece of shit Gupta. Back to the Designated Street with you !
Told you /k/opers so. With Israel clogging the news now the west quietly left piggies to negotiate their surrender all by themselves.
But anon, Israel taking center stage means less chance of normies complaining about money going to Ukraine.
Except the Israelis will go full tilt help to Ukraine once Gaza is taken care of. Look up who had his 71st birthday on october 7th when Hamas chimped out.
>OMG THE TAIL WAGS THE DOG
Yeah totally not stabbed in the back by the country that called it their "brothers and sisters", it was the nations that aided it that stabbed it in the back
>We fight the whole HATO power that's why i takes so long
>akshually HATO backstabbed Ukraine, haha
This is just so tiresome.
NATO technology has advanced to the point they can be in a quantum superposition of both being the entirety of what russia is fighting and backstabbing Ukraine at the same time
sometimes I wonder if NATO / US wants ukraine to win or if they would rather have a forever war that ties down the majority of russian combat troops for years to come while they pivot their attention to china
Germany/west EU certainly wants to win as soon as possible even if that means getting only 80% of Ukraine so they can start investing into rebuilding Ukraine.
I think the EU are more concerned with using this time to re-arm themselves rather than re-arming ukraine. I'm not sure how much more equipment the EU has lying around that can be sent anyways.
how has the last two years not shown that Russia will be halted by a competent air force, precision munitions and effective surveillance? Western Europe has the Eastern Europe belt of rage and rearmament demonstrating themselves capable of holding off Russia by themselves. Western Europe need air defence, surveillance and F35s to utterly obliterate Russia if it dared try a mad dash for Berlin. Which it has. Western Europe wants Eastern Europe to shed the blood, and rearming Ukraine achieves exactly that. Hence why Rheinmetal is investing in country.
EU countries might have good air power and tech but they don't have the ground forces to do anything serious. That is one area where Ukraine has an edge over every EU country.
yes, that's pretty much my point. EU countries don't need the ground forces to do anything serious, because they have good air power & tech AND several thousand kilometres of post Soviet furore between them and Russia.
You absolutely need ground forces or you can't take or hold any ground.
Why would the EU want to win ASAP? And there would be no point in rebuilding Ukraine if they're not in NATO because russia would just gather up army and strike again. And the EU will never accept a country inside NATO with territorial deputes.
You are right, friend. This intolerable state of affairs, and so I, John McDonald of Kansas Oblast, will be swiftly calling my Congressional representative to cease this betrayal of the Ukrainian people and send more weapons to Ukraine.
Yes. Spineless western leadership didn’t throw everything they had immediately. Getting the proper weapons for the trending mission type comes a month late making this war so drawn out. No guarantee of future weapons also means Ukraine has to be more conservative with what they have.
>Zelenskyy makes it a crime to even discuss peace talks in Ukraine, including the retaking of the 2014 borders
>Gee, why don't the allies consider more support?
Fucking retards.
It's not exactly a secret that we are using this war as a means of inflicting severe attrition on the Russian military. If we gave the Ukes the means to achieve a quick victory by maneuver as opposed to a slow victory by attrition, this wouldn't happen.
>WAAA GIVE US MORE BILLIONS
A nation that cannot defend itself does not deserve to exist
Zigger or retard? Not that there's much difference there.
Only mistake West did was helping Russia get bail out from 80 years of communist stupidity, fortunately russia is so evil and stupid it's now in the same position, just this time there is a good excuse to treat you like the norks.
>could've deterred Russia from invading if it'd been properly aided
Nope, everyone expected Ukraine to roll over and why risk giving Russia western gear.
>could've broken through the Russian line on winter, back when the latter hadn't finished mining but the crucial aid kept getting postponed until late spring
logistics takes time, and equipment takes training
>even then, the current offensive could've succeeded if the decision to give aircraft was done much earlier
without a way to disable russian air defenses (picrel), more aircraft won't help. and Prowlers aren't getting sent anywhere till their even more obsolete, but are still somehow effective against the latest zigger tec, like in another30-40 years
>Was Ukraine stabbed in the back by its Western allies?
Consider that the US is funding a proxy war against one of it's longtime rivals (despite how weak russia now is)
Now consider the USSR funding Vietnam
What is the best outcome for the USSR while funding the Vietnamese against the USA?
Prolonging the conflict as long as possible, forcing more Americans to die, and forcing the American government to waste more money as the population back home becomes even more demoralized
The goal of NATO and the US here isn't necessarily for Ukraine to win, but to cripple Russia
This doesn't mean Ukraine shouldn't work with NATO, it's their only option, and it's not immoral for NATO to do this
Ultimately the number of dead Ukrainians is inconsequential to Americans as long as they can continue to bleed Russia and offload old military gear in a productive way
Don't tell them that Vietnam stationed Soviet donated Jet fighters in China during the war. Actually maybe we should. Might get them finally end it all over the though of F-16 fighter jets being stationed and maintained in Poland.
So was someone high ranking on those ships?
Not really.
If West gave Ukraine tons of weapons Russia would have used that as an excuse that "NATO is preparing and invasion so we need to attack first!"
The summer offensive complete with trailers and PR hype was a psyop, all we saw were battalion (brigade at most) sized forces pushing at limited intensity into the first line of resistance, then rotating out. We ever saw avdiivka-level >division-sized groups attacking simultaneously. We then have gen zaluzny saying the war has become positional, and Russia has decided its safe to throw its reserves at avdiivka.
Meanwhile ukraine continues to interdict russian supply lines, hasn't expended its reserves, and is holding multiple threatening salients across the line including positions across the dnieper. A winter offensive building on the lessons learned and reconnaissance over the summer, and including a push across the dneiper, would be a genuine masterstroke exploring the element of surprise whilst falling exactly when Russia would be vulnerable after its offensive in avdiivka culminates.
>Russia is not getting obliterated fast enough
No. Ukraine simply is an unlikely place to fund a peer to peer war. Only the most expansionist, hawk perception of the matter could justify putting large budgetary contributions beyond hand me downs.
The situation is as if Texas had ceded from the united states, and Brazil decided Burger expansion in the area was an existential threat to South America. Oh, and for some foolish reason Brazil thought funding a color revolution to topple the existing power structure and then push for a millitary pact was not an offensive move.
AFU milshill Pigger status: pork chop'd
>Ukraine simply is an unlikely place to fund a peer to peer war.
Why not? For far they've proven themselves by utterly humiliating Russia as a military power on the world stage with hand me downs
>literal Twitter propaganda channel post with a stock image
You need to go back.
daily reminder millshills are spending hundreds of man hours trying to turn this board into a ukroper-friendly zone. They fear what could happen if /k/ ever became an active vector for information like what happened in past wars
>trying to turn this board
Are you somehow implying it was ever pro russian?
The damage control is sad. The only upside is when this conflict peters down into a matter of signing treatise with Russia (which should be considered a win for a small neighboring country, but it's not fantasies of Putin death, so it won't be enough) these guys will rope.
Wow so you're done to begging people to just please sign a treaty? Kinda pathetic of Russia to do tbh
Daily reminder that zigger shills like
are spending tens of thousnads of hours to try and turn this board into a zigger propaganda cesspool. Daily reminder that projecting their own behaviour upon their detractors is one of the most-used basic tactics they employ anywhere.
Also, stop answering your own posts, schizo. You're fooling nobody.
>turn this board into
posting that if fuck do u know mr. NotTourist from idaho oblast
also post gun
The only group trying to turn this board is /misc/ and it annoys (You) to no end that it isn't happening. This isn't PrepHole, there are posters here with higher IQs than 68
You Ziggers are absolutely DELUSIONAL if you think that either the Democrats OR the Republicans are going to stop aiding Ukraine with about-to-expire equipment that will go toward destroying one of our biggest geopolitical rivals. It’s literally costing peanuts and ripping Russia a new asshole.
TLDR, TZD will continue until morale improves
>the war is going gr-
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67342367
>Ukraine takes out three (3) ships in less than a week
>Idiot kills himself
The fact that ziggers think these are equivent speaks volumes.
>ukrainian top official who blew up boats is actually an idiot
fascntign
>paid agents
>on /k/
The paid agent is an FBI/DHS agent assigned to PrepHole as a whole who reads through the "This post is illegal in the US" and posts forwarded to him by mods/jannies. He doesn't post, he's overworked, and he probably only gives a shit if you credibly claim to have a hostage in your basement or planning on doing a terror attack.
It's fucking sad that anyone thinks this place is filled with paid shills.
It's still kinda funny when that one comes around seething about Eglin AFB
That one is hilarious because if he knew anything about the government or military he'd realize that the "they make you do stupid stuff to waste time" is a deliberate thing in some areas, but in all other areas money and time is so strictly allocated it's basically impossible to get away with that shit. Like do you really think in a world where the US Army is struggling to meet its recruiting numbers they'd send psychological warfare personnel (who could be working at idk NSA or some shit) to shitpost on PrepHole?
Burgers are too worried about the price of Fentos and Sloppo to care. They are too fatigued from watching a thousand shows in Bollus-.