was this literally the very last time the Soviets produced a combat aircraft roughly equivalent in performance to whatever the latest american fighter...

was this literally the very last time the Soviets produced a combat aircraft roughly equivalent in performance to whatever the latest american fighter was

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    pretty much, it was also during the height of soviet infiltration in the american government and private sector.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >was this literally the very last time
    There was never first time.
    That meme about Soviets being competent is nonsense, the Ruseian army hasn't gotten worse than it was in soviet times it was always shit and so was their equipment.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      this is true for most cases involving soviet gear but the MiG15 genuinely was a very competent fighter for its time. Soviet WWII veteran pilots over Korea did very well intercepting B29s in them.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        F86s absolutely dumpstered MiG-15s 10:1 in spite of being "peers"

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >raw rookie Chinese/North Korean pilots vs American pilots with years of WW2 experience
          >mig pilots had no g-suits
          >10:1 claimed kill ratio extremely inflated to Zigger proportions
          https://acepilots.com/korea_aces.html

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >raw rookie Chinese/North Korean pilots
            Soviets sent their elite units in Korea, especially early on in the whole Mig-15 involvment.

            Also, overclaiming issue is overstated and is nowhere near the soviet/korean numbers.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Over-claimed mills which pretty much always happens in air-to-air warfare, the real loss ratios were much more comparable

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          It was 3:1 against norks and almost 1:1 against soviets allegedly

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            According to some 2 british "historian" nobodies, lol.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Early Flanker and particularly Fulcrum were on par at least, briefly.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Early Flanker and particularly Fulcrum were on par at least, briefly.

      ...with what?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      MiG-19 had a short window where they had a decent match in performance to Western fighters, it was just a dead end design.
      Same with the MiG-21, first generation was decent, but the front intake design meant it would never keep up with advances in radar and BVR capability on the Western side.
      It's like the Soviets kept building fighters to match or beat the last wars opponent without consideration to the fact that the West developed new aircraft too.
      MiG-23 is probably the best example of this, designed to match capability the F-4 showed in Vietnam, while the US instead took their experience from Vietnam and built the teen series of 4th gen fighters.

      Was the only time they almost regained parity for a short while, but F-15 and later BVR capable F-16s shit all over them, specially so once AIM-120 became the universal US AAM.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    There has never been a time where the russians produced a combat aircraft that was not bested by SOME American counterpart. But, if you want to do a direct comparison between two aircraft in the same doctrinal role, most variants of the Mig-21 were a superior to most variants of the F-104. The F4 was not light-years ahead of its soviet counterparts either, although it still had a superior K:D ratio.

    Yak-9 and Mustang probably came down to pilot skill but the Mustang was an overall superior machine. Mig-29 might be evenly matched with earlier variants of the F-16. The Su-27 and all of its variants are inferior to all contemporary variants of the F-15.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      https://www.key.aero/article/mustangs-vs-yaks-korean-duels

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >were a superior
      confirmed for Italian
      filtered

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      P51 vs Yak9 seems like a mismatch, the P51 was a high altitude energy fighter while the Yak9 was a low altitude turn fighter

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >The F4 was not light-years ahead of its soviet counterparts eithe
      Soviet equavalent of the F-4 was Tu-128. Plane so bad nobody heard about it.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The MiG 19 was comparable to the F-100 in terms of raw performance while having worse air to air weapons, it's a shame they never fought

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Mig-17 was the last and the closest plane soviets ever produced to Western and American aircraft in terms of quality. It fixed several issues with the 15, had more speed and was a better aircraft overall.

      Mig-15 looked similar on paper but it was entirely carried by its higher ceiling and climb rate, allowing it to engage and disengage almost at will but didn't actually allow for effective tactics because in all other aspects it was inferior and especially because it couldn't dive for shit, negating the obvious advantage a higher altitude and climb could have for boom and zoom.

      Mig-19 is a way later aircraft than the F-100. It's more of a contemporary to the F-105.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Mig-17 was a great plane, had it had better wienerpit and was paired with western tactics it would've been a world class airplane. Mig-17F with an afterburner was also great, although at that time higher performing aircraft like F-86H, Hawker Hunter and especially the F-100 arrived and it's been downhill from there.

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >roughly equivalent
    >only after they stole rolls royce engine which made it possible to build in the first place
    >given to them by communist and vatnik symphatizers in the bong government for basically free

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Don't forget the stolen german airframe as well.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    No, I’d say another 5ish years after this. The Mig21 was at minimum comparable performance wise to late 50s Western designs

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    They was never parity.
    Russian stuff could compare in video game stats but in reality the stuff is in different universes.
    Devils in the details, all the boring shit that makes up weapon systems was always absolute shit tier in Russian stuff.

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Geman plane with british engine... soviet produced... m'kay.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Wait until you hear about all the shit the Americans got from the Germans and the Brits, crazy stuff.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Nice cope, vatBlack person.

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Mig 15 and 29 are briddy good

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    i-16 in spain before bf109

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