was this ever caused logistics problems in comblock and current war ?
or manufacturing 2 different ammo and gun is more effective than retooling old factory ?
was this ever caused logistics problems in comblock and current war ?
was this ever caused logistics problems in comblock and current war ?
or manufacturing 2 different ammo and gun is more effective than retooling old factory ?
7.62x39mm got phased out when the AK-74 was introduced, AKMs were used only rarely after then IIRC for ops where silencers were necessary.
x39 is still floating around for special snowflake MOD/interior groups who harrass people in bumfrick, Siberia. The AEK for example has a 7.62x39 variant, not to mention a bunch of other “new” rifles using the cartridge including the AK-12 variant that they call the AK-15. Basically regular soldiers get the 5.45, everyone else I guess depends on how much money was left over when the major in charge stole all of it.
how about the war in ukraine ?
from the photograph both sides seems to use them simultaneously
A lot of Russia's potential customers for weapons exports still have a shit load of 7.62x39 and didn't make the transition to 5.45, presumably they make their new rifles in 7.62 to use up their own stockpiles of 7.62 and to have a rifle for export to anyone looking to replace their old East German AKs.
7.62 is superior for close range right?
Depends, if you *want* to over-penetrate bodies and cover then sure, if you instead want all that muzzle energy to be transferred into a target then probably not.
Fuddlore. 5.45 is lethal has better long range accuracy, and has less recoil. If anything it's better for urban fighting.
Inb4 some Boomer talks about cinder blocks.
>5.45 is lethal has better long range accuracy
Nope, like most light weight rounds it's easily deflected by cover and blown off course by wind
but it is more accurate, dumbshit
>but it is more accurate, dumbshit
nope
>wriggles out of barrel at 2000 fps
>huffs and puffs towards it's target
>hits the edge of it with the force of a blind fly
yea its better for shooting through cover and walls and shit
don't really see why it would be. 7.62x39 has less diminishing returns through a shorter barrel at least, as 5.45 would lose much of it's potential velocity through a 10 inch barrel.
Ukraine is getting AKs bought for them by nations like the UK from anywhere they can source them, so it's a case of beggars can't be choosers and if 7.62mm Zastavas are what's available, that's what they get.
For Russia, I dunno, I doubt they're at any risk of running out of AK-74s and AK-12s but maybe Wager operatives are able to use what they want and they just want beeg boolet.
>was this ever caused logistics problems in comblock and current war ?
I have it on anecdotal evidence that guards station around airbases could be given an SKS in 1980s for patrol duty.
I don't know how relevant it is to the thread.
isn't 7.62x39 better for shorter (sub 11 inches)barrels than 5.56/5.45?
yeah ?
ak-47 is just an overpowered smg if you think about it
aksu have unburned powder powder and gas issue, that's why they put the weird muzzle thingy
5.56 and 5.45 is perhaps most effective through a barrel of around 16-20 inches
The velocity trade off between a 16inch 7.62 and ~11/12 is in the range of 200-300 FPS which is only a slight increase in drop and a negligible impact on ballistics AFAIK
7.62 was never phased out and is still in use with frontline forces, and in recon units where it's suppressed in AKM-S.
Special forces and groups who are elite enough to chose their own weapons prefer 7.62, even the ministry of defense admits 5.45 is dog shit.
https://tass.com/defense/1043299
why would you use a suppressed akm with subs when you could just use an AS Val instead?
Because those are very shitty apparently.
https://rattibha.com/thread/1527604709007171585?lang=en
Not really, both Ukraine and Russia have fully standardized on 5.45 with 7.62 only being handed to specialists (though these days even they get 5.45 or 9x39) or rear line units that are desperate for anything. 7.62 AKs and ammo really only continues to be made to fulfill export orders
if you're making millions of rifles to sell off, distribute, stockpile it's just a matter of cycling out the new ones probably wasn't too different from any other service caliber change though obviously such changes are rather expensive hence why most of the world kept on x39 until the fall of the soviet union or even are still on it today like iran, egypt, vietnam, cuba, vietnam, some mixed in some as their primary service cartridge
>was this ever caused logistics problems in comblock and current war ?
No.
>or manufacturing 2 different ammo and gun is more effective than retooling old factory ?
When you already spent 30 years making one type of gun, you think it'd be smart to just stop making ammo for it?
Not reliable performance past 200m
Malfunctions after as few as 50 rounds